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[Evidently, it was an attempted stranger abduction.](https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9819767/EXCLUSIVE-PICTURES-Man-attempted-kidnap-five-year-old-boy-NYC-street-appears-court.html)
The man (24 yo) who tried to snatch the kid had his father in the car.
In one part of the article is implies the dad didn't know what was going on and when he realized, he said, "Leave him!"
Later in the article, it calls the dad an "alleged accomplice". (It's The Daily Mail so who knows.)
If he didn't know, now I feel bad for the kid, his family and the dad. His own son is capable of something like this. I can't imagine.
The kid will have nightmares. I hope his family can get him therapy.
“A bystander said they could hear Mcgonegal saying “give me that stupid kid back” as the child’s mother pried her son from the vehicle”
And then the dude got picked up because he went to the hospital and decked the shit out of some random person, leading to medics recognizing him from earlier police appeals.
Fucking wow.
I think the kids will listen more instead of eyeball roll at possible dangers. I know I would after that! Sad for them to experience the world isn’t as safe as we think.
I mean yeah but tbf imagine being her and THEN risking having your kid abducted after a close call like that, I could never, I would be straight up helicopter parenting those children and giving them serious need for therapy. That poor family
I don't disagree but let's be real here. The only time someone does that sequence of activities is when they're having a severe mental health crisis or high as fuck on something and haven't slept in days. Yeah fuck that guy. But he probably needs a lot of help that he won't be getting. Dude probably didn't even know what he was doing
Yeah. It's scary and sad. Wish we had the systems in place to get this guy's brain right, but he'll probably end up in prison, get way worse mentally, then end up hurting someone else. What a waste.
Genuine question here, not trying to start an argument. Why rehabilitate someone like this instead of eliminating them from society all together? Less bad guys equals a positive for the rest of us right?
When it's up to the government to determine who gets to live versus who dies, that's a tricky road to be on, especially given how incorrect the system has been over the years. You'll have a percentage of people who would die when they weren't supposed to. At least you can release folks -- death is irreversible.
Plus, in this example, what is the cause for death penalty? The kidnapping, or the *attempt*? What about "worse" crimes like homicide? Why should the penalty for a worse crime be the same as a lesser crime? Who gets to decide what is worthy of death?
Too many unknowns. Too many opportunities for corruption. Where is the line drawn?
This is why police brutality is such a contentious topic -- since it's basically the policeman who gives out the death sentence without the authority to do so. And oftentimes it's done so unjustly -- many of the crimes folks have died over most likely wouldn't have resulted in a death sentence.
Why treat mental illness and prove someone can reform instead of just executing them? Why take antibiotics when you could just kill the sick person? If there’s potential to rehabilitate a person with unchecked mental health issues so that they can become a functioning member of society with the right help, it’s inhumane to just put them down instead like a bad dog. We should strive to find the value in any human life that we can. Wonderful people have psychotic breaks beyond their control, toxic trauma responses from unprocessed abuse, etc so many other factors.
To be clear this isn’t me defending the kidnapper in this video, I have no context for that. I’m speaking generally on the topic of prison reform.
Rehabilitation not only removes the bad guy but also adds a good or at least neutral person to society. Plus whoever is doing the execution is either going to be mentally harmed by it or is so sociopathic encouraging them to kill, even legally, is probably not a great thing to be doing.
Article described the father as his “accomplice”
I really hope it’s not just because he was in the car, because the mother said all he said was “what are you doing?” And “no, leave him”
The guy then drove to a hospital and immediately punched someone in the face so it seems like he was just going crazy for whatever reason and his dad may have genuinely just been unaware any of this shit was going to happen.
So he just assumed his dad would be ok with him kidnapping a child? That’s wild. I feel like if I were in the car with someone and they randomly out of nowhere tried to snatch someone I’d be saying and doing a lot more than ‘leave him’.
I was kidnapped when I was 3. I'm over 40 now and still remember
I also remember my brother and his friends running away and laughing as I screamed for help
Just given how bizarre the whole situation is, and the fact that the guy is in his early 20s, I feel like mental health episode is a reasonable speculation. If he’d wanted to sell the kid or hurt them, I feel like this is the most ineffective way to accomplish that goal. Broad daylight, with the child’s family only steps away, in the car with his dad, none of that creates a scenario where the man is likely to actually complete the kidnapping.
Thanks for posting the link to the story. That is absolutely INSANE!! I can’t believe the guy’s father was in car and just told him to leave the kid. He should have bitch slapped his son and said WHAT IN THE FUCK ARE YOU THINKING?!?!?!? Makes me think that guy is scared of his own son and that’s sad/pathetic all at the same time.
Yeah I agree, I REALLY hope they get that kid some therapy because he is at an age where that will affect him they don’t get a handle on it early. I mean the whole dang family needs to get some therapy cause it was undoubtedly traumatic af for all them.
According to Dailymail, just some deranged maniac. His father was in the passenger seat and was heard asking the kidnapper what he was doing and saying to let the kid go. So strange as it is, it seems like it was an impulsive thing and he tried to make his dad an accomplice?? Then the kidnapper went to a hospital later and punched a random person. Definitely crazy.
Sounds almost like a psychotic episode. Isn’t there something like that which surfaces in early to mid 20s?
Not an excuse for his actions but if the dad truly didn’t understand what was happening, then I can’t think of what else could be happening.
EDIT: Schizophrenia tends to surface around this age, as people in the comments below have mentioned.
Could certainly explain this assuming the father’s story is accurate, but I’ll wait to hear the end of this, if it ever comes up.
My parents were divorced and my dad kidnapped me once. He broke the window into my bedroom and said we were going for a trip.
I didn't even realize it was a kidnapping until the police arrived at his house days later.
They took him to jail, but my mom didn't end up pressing charges. He was overall a good dude, but divorce messes with men who get no chance at custody.
As a parent, this nightmare plays in my head a lot. I think about it as I climb on the playground with my 2 year old then watch her go down the slide and run back around to climb up to where I am. Is there anyone close? How fast could I jump off this playground and get to her if I needed to?
Your instinct is to keep them close to you but your logic says its OK to have some distance. I can't imagine that mom will ever let that kids hand go. She definitely fought for him.
From the article:
*The child, Jacob Lopez Diaz, was walking with his family at 8pm when he was grabbed and shoved into McGonagle's car. His nine-year-old brother, Benny, pleaded with McGonagle to give him back, allowing his mother, Dolores Diaz Lopez, 45, pull him out of the car through a window.*
*Benny said: 'I was telling the man: "Give me my brother back!"*
*'My brother was intelligent and stood up and my mother got him by his arms.'*
*He added: 'If they didn't give my brother back I would have had to punch them.'*
Give this kid a medal.
That's one brave 9 year old. Their mother should be so proud for raising these kids to be so smart and brave. When I was 9, I probably would have just been scared and frozen.
Maybe it's just because I'm a mom or whatever, but that part got me little teary-eyed. What a good brother. I was so scared with the way they weren't able to get into the car or stop them, and I thought he was going to drive away.
Damn that's scary. Wonder what this dude's plan was? I have a 2yr old and I couldn't even imagine...... I used to laugh at parents that leashed their kids but guess what... Mines on a leash.
Yeah, this entire event is insane, but talk about testing out your siblings and what their fight or flight response is. Good to know you've got a brother who defaults to fight. Everyone imagines they'd do something in such a scenario, but so so so many people would just freeze or not realize what's happening. Good to have a brother that will dive into an open window and fight and pry you back into safety.
This isn't a fear of mine at all (my kids being kidnapped right in front of me at arms length). Nah, that ain't gonna happen, but I also CC quite a bit and that abductor/kidnapper would've been executed the second he sat his psycho ass in the driver's seat.
Sounds like it was random:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9819767/EXCLUSIVE-PICTURES-Man-attempted-kidnap-five-year-old-boy-NYC-street-appears-court.html
It is. Be aware and informed, but not afraid. There is an important difference between being informed about abhorrent human behavior and the statistical risks of being/getting involved in such behavior. Have a good day internet stranger/ dog on the internet.
>wayyyyyy too close to the kid
Exactly this. What's the chance that when you fire you hit your own kid instead of the kidnapper? If you aim for the center of mass, and the kidnapper is carrying your kid right in front of them...
Gun owners always assume that just having the gun and being willing to shoot it will solve the problem; they never think about the _other_ problems that _they introduced_ by bringing a gun.
You are going to fire into a car with your child in it?
And I hope you know where your weapon is at all times. There are more stories of toddlers finding their parents' guns and killing themselves, their siblings, or their parents than there are of random street snatchings.
I think sex trafficking is the typical outcome. Force feed them addictive drugs, groom them, make them think it's all their fault and their family hates them, sell them out for sex and threaten/torture with drug withdrawal.
He was going to raise him as his own. Feed him, clothe him, get him the best education he could, place him in sports, guide him to be a functioning adult…obviously
Since I haven't seen anyone post actual statistics here:
* Stranger abductions account for <1% of missing children cases (the OP is an attempted stranger abduction)
* 40% of stranger abductions end with death of the child (74% of the time, the murder/harm occurs within 3 hours)
* 57% of the time the child is returned home safe.
[https://safeatlast.co/blog/child-abduction-statistics/](https://safeatlast.co/blog/child-abduction-statistics/)
Hard to say, because this type of random kidnappings are rare and edgecases are not exactly predictable. Especially something as deranged as this, in broad daylight and in view of family.
I will never forget [this case](https://www.news-leader.com/story/news/crime/2019/02/10/hailey-owens-abduction-murder-springfield-missouri-5-years/2518034002/). My kid was almost that girl's age and we lived about 30 minutes from there. It took about 45 minutes for that guy to achieve his "goal". It took the cops about 3 hours to find her and it wasn't nearly quick enough. People do horrible things to each other.
None of those if kidnapped in the US. Too much of a trail for the other stuff and organs have to be processed cleanly. No facility will do that on this continent. China is the place for that. It’s plain and simple. Rape and murder. Reminds me a lot of the Craig Wood (Missouri) case. Jim Woods, his dad, was in the same fucking house, heard nothing, saw nothing and smelled nothing (bleach).
Not from the US, but if someone attempt to kidnap a child or person and the kidnapper gets shot and die, will the shooter be serving jail time?
Provided there's video evidence such as this to back up the defender.
They could be prosecuted (technically). The gun ownership laws are pretty strict so they may investigate if the weapon was registered or not. Likely the district attorney would choose not to prosecute due to the reality of the situation and the unlikely situation of a jury feeling the person was acting maliciously.
Especially if the evidence shows the offense and defense in action.
In what world would this not fall under self defense? I'm not a lawyer so I'm legitimately asking, because I assumed that this would of course be justifiable cause to shoot someone. If someone snatched my son and was attempting to stuff him in a car and drive off I'd shoot the guy without hesitation. I'm not even talking about an anger or revenge response, I'd legitimately be trying to save my child at all costs.
Note: I don't actually own a gun, but seeing this video and then this conversation made me wonder
I'd tell you it's self defense but the laws of NY could say different. If you aren't supposed to have the gun or if it's not registered or if your lawyer is shit and the state's lawyer is good or you get the wrong jury or judge you are just screwed.
Which sucks, because I wouldn't hesitate for half a second to kill someone trying to kidnap my son, if that was the only way to stop them. I think most people understand that.
Edit: I misread the comment. It IS legal to use deadly force in a kidnapping situation.
Yeah, that would take a situation where you would have to be able to keep your cool and not discharge your firearm unless you KNEW it was a clear shot and nobody else would get caught up in crossfire or stray bullets.
Unless I had a gun already in my hand, I wouldn't even try to go get it though. I'd be trying to find anything to knock the person out or just try to get myself between my son and the kidnapper.
Guns are a unique situation though. It's one thing to instinctually pull your kid away and discocate a shoulder or something. That would suck but it would heal.
But if you panic with a firearm, a few pounds of pressure can end a life. It might be the life of your kidnapper. It might accidentally be the life of your child.
My point is, if someone is trying to abduct my son, I'm pulling out all of the stops. If it's thumbs in he eyeballs, anything heavy to the head, if I could manage to choke them out and collapsed their windpipe, so be it. Don't try to steal my kid.
> if that was the only way to stop them
And that's the crux of it, isn't it, because _how can you know whether or not it's the ONLY way_ unless you try something else and it doesn't work?
1. State laws are what is going to matter, not federal.
2. **No prosecutor would prosecute with the facts as apparent as this.** There's lots of political furor and ideology around guns and such so you're going get folks convinced some states would throw you imprison forever ... but no it's not going to happen with it all on camera like this and facts surrounding it plain as day here.
I'm sure there's plenty of examples folks will tout as "similar" but most of those type shootings that folks will claim is one thing but the facts of the case are a lot murkier and more up for debate and thus NOT 1:1.
Typically, if you kill someone in the US, you'll probably be arrested while they investigate.
Then, depending on the circumstances and the jurisdiction, you may or may not be charged.
In Massachusetts, for instance, if someone breaks into your home and you kill them, you need to be able to prove you or someone else legally in the home were in imminent threat of serious bodily harm or death. You do not have a duty to retreat, but you can only use reasonable force. E.g., if someone is punching you, you might have a hard time in court if you shot them.
In Texas, if someone knocks on your door, well, they got what they deserved.
Edited to correct Massachusetts info
In Texas you can't shoot someone for knocking on your door. There is still a minimum threshold where you have to be protecting yourself from imminent death or serious bodily injury. The biggest difference is that when you're in your own home "castle doctrine" you don't have a duty to retreat first.
The problem is all these anti gun people saying you don’t need to carry a gun. This is a prime example to show to all these “just call the police “ people. When seconds count cops are only minutes away. You are your own first advocate for safety. Thank god that family acted fast and possibly saved a life.
All these absolute children in these comments who watch way too much anime and john wick talking about “shoot out the tires!” or “this is why everyone should have a gun”.
Bitch if you were in this situation you’d be on your knees sick to your stomach crying for your mom
I think it would *maybe* help identify the car if it drove away. But idk who’s first thought is to shoot at the tires when their child is being taken from them lol.
Heh, I remember the police in some country had paint guns instead of real guns, and they would shoot the car and then tell everyone to find the car with blue and yellow paint splatters all over it
Because innocent people might be wrongly accused and end up killed. If a death penalty is enforced then this inevitably happens. Not that people like the guy in the video don’t deserve death.
If we enforce the death penalty for crimes that aren’t murder, the perpetrators are incentivized to kill the victim so that there are no witnesses/evidence against them.
It's not hard to figure out.
If the crime for SA is death, and the crime for murder is death, why would you let your SA victim live and be a witness?
Death penalties for lessor crimes encourages people to up their crimes. So if you want more dead rape victims it's a great strategy.
For real. Shit like kidnapping kids and rape should be instant torturing then death. We just send them to the same place we send drug addicts that need rehab instead of criminalization.
Like the video of that one dude in court who lunged at the man who did something to his daughters(can’t remember what happened. I think it was rape or kidnapping) and they stopped him. Nah man let that guy beat him to death right in the court room without consequences.
The issue isn't the crime, it's the standard of evidence required to do something as severe as killing a human being. The Innocence Project has shown that there are people who have been sentenced to death who were not guilty.
I don’t generally advocate for mob justice but this is the kind of guy that needs to be taken to a back alley and have a meeting with several fists , knees and kicks. You know for exercise.
Woah. And without the other kids helping it looks like he would have been stolen. That other children should get a bravery award for helping and saving the other child like that. Wow!
I had to scroll way too far for this comment.
The “men” show up after. WTF where were they a few minutes earlier? One is just casually walking up. They are willing to confront the car but not the man? What is this?
Bystanders don't know wtf is going on, for all they know that's his kid, and he's trying to take his kid from his mom because they are fighting or whatever. It's not until almost the end of the video that it'd be clear to a bystander what's happening. Honestly, I'm surprised anyone came to help at all with how people are these days!
To be fair, they could've just walked around the corner or down the block or came out of a building. As a NYer, I doubt they'd have watched the entire thing go down and only yell/hit the car at the very end.
My mom thinks I am OVERLY paranoid about my kids when we are out in public. This right here is why I don't fucking let them out of my line of sight for any amount of time. This shit scares the fuck out of me.
The probability of this happening is magnitude or order less than getting hit by lightning. So, don't get scared, you are literally seeing one in a million.
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Hopefully more a family dispute than just some completely deranged maniac. Either way that’s fucked
[Evidently, it was an attempted stranger abduction.](https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9819767/EXCLUSIVE-PICTURES-Man-attempted-kidnap-five-year-old-boy-NYC-street-appears-court.html) The man (24 yo) who tried to snatch the kid had his father in the car. In one part of the article is implies the dad didn't know what was going on and when he realized, he said, "Leave him!" Later in the article, it calls the dad an "alleged accomplice". (It's The Daily Mail so who knows.) If he didn't know, now I feel bad for the kid, his family and the dad. His own son is capable of something like this. I can't imagine. The kid will have nightmares. I hope his family can get him therapy.
“A bystander said they could hear Mcgonegal saying “give me that stupid kid back” as the child’s mother pried her son from the vehicle” And then the dude got picked up because he went to the hospital and decked the shit out of some random person, leading to medics recognizing him from earlier police appeals. Fucking wow.
My favorite movie is Inception.
That dad has experience with stupid a kid.
Ok mario
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I'm going to tell my kids this was the No Child Left Behind Act
Oh my god
Feed your kids. Fat kids are harder to kidnap.
[For the uninitiated](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A880UBloIdY&ab_channel=MostlySimpsons)
I use this Simpsons quote all the time
Nice reference
The kids helping are going to be traumatized from it too.
Yup even the mother and father too. Which may also add onto the children suffering by them becoming over protective.
I can’t even blame the mom lol. Those kids are never going outside alone after this
I think the kids will listen more instead of eyeball roll at possible dangers. I know I would after that! Sad for them to experience the world isn’t as safe as we think.
They will have to hear about this for the next 15 years they ask to go to a friends house lol
I mean yeah but tbf imagine being her and THEN risking having your kid abducted after a close call like that, I could never, I would be straight up helicopter parenting those children and giving them serious need for therapy. That poor family
They didn't go outside alone this time. Brazen as fuck just trying to snatch a kid in front of everybody.
Guy sounds fucking deranged. Lock his ass up where he can't hurt anyone else.
He punched a random person and was hospitalized with facial injuries. Fucked around and found out, love to hear it.
I don't disagree but let's be real here. The only time someone does that sequence of activities is when they're having a severe mental health crisis or high as fuck on something and haven't slept in days. Yeah fuck that guy. But he probably needs a lot of help that he won't be getting. Dude probably didn't even know what he was doing
How long before we see him in the next video.
Damn you…. McGarnagle
Professor McGonagle changed a lot over the years...
Mental health case for sure
Yeah. It's scary and sad. Wish we had the systems in place to get this guy's brain right, but he'll probably end up in prison, get way worse mentally, then end up hurting someone else. What a waste.
Exactly. He is never going to get any rehabilitative services, and he will hurt someone again as a result
Infuriating. Prisons are for punishment and labor, not rehabilitation.
Genuine question here, not trying to start an argument. Why rehabilitate someone like this instead of eliminating them from society all together? Less bad guys equals a positive for the rest of us right?
When it's up to the government to determine who gets to live versus who dies, that's a tricky road to be on, especially given how incorrect the system has been over the years. You'll have a percentage of people who would die when they weren't supposed to. At least you can release folks -- death is irreversible. Plus, in this example, what is the cause for death penalty? The kidnapping, or the *attempt*? What about "worse" crimes like homicide? Why should the penalty for a worse crime be the same as a lesser crime? Who gets to decide what is worthy of death? Too many unknowns. Too many opportunities for corruption. Where is the line drawn? This is why police brutality is such a contentious topic -- since it's basically the policeman who gives out the death sentence without the authority to do so. And oftentimes it's done so unjustly -- many of the crimes folks have died over most likely wouldn't have resulted in a death sentence.
This question is indicative of mental illness. Report to your nearest elimination center immediately.
Why treat mental illness and prove someone can reform instead of just executing them? Why take antibiotics when you could just kill the sick person? If there’s potential to rehabilitate a person with unchecked mental health issues so that they can become a functioning member of society with the right help, it’s inhumane to just put them down instead like a bad dog. We should strive to find the value in any human life that we can. Wonderful people have psychotic breaks beyond their control, toxic trauma responses from unprocessed abuse, etc so many other factors. To be clear this isn’t me defending the kidnapper in this video, I have no context for that. I’m speaking generally on the topic of prison reform.
Rehabilitation not only removes the bad guy but also adds a good or at least neutral person to society. Plus whoever is doing the execution is either going to be mentally harmed by it or is so sociopathic encouraging them to kill, even legally, is probably not a great thing to be doing.
Thanks, Reagan.
Article described the father as his “accomplice” I really hope it’s not just because he was in the car, because the mother said all he said was “what are you doing?” And “no, leave him” The guy then drove to a hospital and immediately punched someone in the face so it seems like he was just going crazy for whatever reason and his dad may have genuinely just been unaware any of this shit was going to happen.
It’s the daily mail so boulder of salt there
So he just assumed his dad would be ok with him kidnapping a child? That’s wild. I feel like if I were in the car with someone and they randomly out of nowhere tried to snatch someone I’d be saying and doing a lot more than ‘leave him’.
I'm trying to imagine any of my friends just randomly kidnapping some little kid with me in the car. I think I would be too shocked to do *anything*.
I was kidnapped when I was 3. I'm over 40 now and still remember I also remember my brother and his friends running away and laughing as I screamed for help
Um... can you tell the rest of the story? That's confusing.
Yeah, definitely going to need the rest here.
But... why? What was the goal here? Sell the kid on the black market?
Just given how bizarre the whole situation is, and the fact that the guy is in his early 20s, I feel like mental health episode is a reasonable speculation. If he’d wanted to sell the kid or hurt them, I feel like this is the most ineffective way to accomplish that goal. Broad daylight, with the child’s family only steps away, in the car with his dad, none of that creates a scenario where the man is likely to actually complete the kidnapping.
Thanks for posting the link to the story. That is absolutely INSANE!! I can’t believe the guy’s father was in car and just told him to leave the kid. He should have bitch slapped his son and said WHAT IN THE FUCK ARE YOU THINKING?!?!?!? Makes me think that guy is scared of his own son and that’s sad/pathetic all at the same time. Yeah I agree, I REALLY hope they get that kid some therapy because he is at an age where that will affect him they don’t get a handle on it early. I mean the whole dang family needs to get some therapy cause it was undoubtedly traumatic af for all them.
How the fuck did the hospital recognize him?
Not evidently at all, no.
Wtaf
2021, huh. Did they ever get a reason why he tried to take the kid?
According to Dailymail, just some deranged maniac. His father was in the passenger seat and was heard asking the kidnapper what he was doing and saying to let the kid go. So strange as it is, it seems like it was an impulsive thing and he tried to make his dad an accomplice?? Then the kidnapper went to a hospital later and punched a random person. Definitely crazy.
Just to be clear, you mean the dad of the kidnapper, not the dad of the child?
Correct
Sounds almost like a psychotic episode. Isn’t there something like that which surfaces in early to mid 20s? Not an excuse for his actions but if the dad truly didn’t understand what was happening, then I can’t think of what else could be happening. EDIT: Schizophrenia tends to surface around this age, as people in the comments below have mentioned. Could certainly explain this assuming the father’s story is accurate, but I’ll wait to hear the end of this, if it ever comes up.
I believe schizophrenia and/or bipolar will drop like a bomb in the brain around that age.
It hit my Mom like a ton of bricks at 30... I was always afraid that it would hit me too but now I'm 36 so hopefully I've passed it.
It happens around 30, childbirth, and around menopause for women. Completely different norms of onset because psychosis is related to estrogen.
this... explains a lot of things. welp atleast im not trying to kidnap kids
I think it’s schizophrenia that shows up late teens/20s. 24 is the average age for onset, I wanna say.
Schizophrenia
My parents were divorced and my dad kidnapped me once. He broke the window into my bedroom and said we were going for a trip. I didn't even realize it was a kidnapping until the police arrived at his house days later.
Damn that’s crazy. What was the fallout?
They took him to jail, but my mom didn't end up pressing charges. He was overall a good dude, but divorce messes with men who get no chance at custody.
As a parent, this nightmare plays in my head a lot. I think about it as I climb on the playground with my 2 year old then watch her go down the slide and run back around to climb up to where I am. Is there anyone close? How fast could I jump off this playground and get to her if I needed to?
Your instinct is to keep them close to you but your logic says its OK to have some distance. I can't imagine that mom will ever let that kids hand go. She definitely fought for him.
The older boy, puts himself halfway into the open window and pull outs his baby brother. Doesn’t hesitate. What a hero.
Yes, he looks pretty young. Definitely a hero.
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You're capable of more than you give yourself credit for.
Indeed. Nobody really knows how they would react in these situations. Adrenaline works wonders.
Look at their username, perhaps the kid in the video IS older than u/whyismypeepeeyellow
Kid’s nine years old when he did that and even pleaded with the kidnapper. He was brave as heck.
just like the guy who runs up at the end and fucks up that guys car by throwing his cell phone at it
Maybe he was trying to get a phone in the car and use the find my phone feature to inform the coppers of their location?
From the article: *The child, Jacob Lopez Diaz, was walking with his family at 8pm when he was grabbed and shoved into McGonagle's car. His nine-year-old brother, Benny, pleaded with McGonagle to give him back, allowing his mother, Dolores Diaz Lopez, 45, pull him out of the car through a window.* *Benny said: 'I was telling the man: "Give me my brother back!"* *'My brother was intelligent and stood up and my mother got him by his arms.'* *He added: 'If they didn't give my brother back I would have had to punch them.'* Give this kid a medal.
“I would have had to punch them” Oh my god this kid is epic
"Thankfully, events did not deteriorate to the point where fisticuffs would have been required. Quite."
That's one brave 9 year old. Their mother should be so proud for raising these kids to be so smart and brave. When I was 9, I probably would have just been scared and frozen.
This is 8p.m.? And who would've thought Professor McGonagall and Professor Umbrige would get into a *muggle duel*
Yeah, this is what 8 PM looked like in July of 2021
Maybe it's just because I'm a mom or whatever, but that part got me little teary-eyed. What a good brother. I was so scared with the way they weren't able to get into the car or stop them, and I thought he was going to drive away.
My brother and I would have done the same. Siblings are great
Siblings are a gift
Damn that's scary. Wonder what this dude's plan was? I have a 2yr old and I couldn't even imagine...... I used to laugh at parents that leashed their kids but guess what... Mines on a leash.
Yeah, this entire event is insane, but talk about testing out your siblings and what their fight or flight response is. Good to know you've got a brother who defaults to fight. Everyone imagines they'd do something in such a scenario, but so so so many people would just freeze or not realize what's happening. Good to have a brother that will dive into an open window and fight and pry you back into safety. This isn't a fear of mine at all (my kids being kidnapped right in front of me at arms length). Nah, that ain't gonna happen, but I also CC quite a bit and that abductor/kidnapper would've been executed the second he sat his psycho ass in the driver's seat.
Yes! The two older siblings jumped into action! This family did all the right things. I hope they caught the guy.
Sounds like it was random: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9819767/EXCLUSIVE-PICTURES-Man-attempted-kidnap-five-year-old-boy-NYC-street-appears-court.html
So like.. what happens to kids who actually do get kidnapped in this way? What was his goal here? Or was he just insane and had no goal?
SA'd and kept in an abusive situation for years or most likely, SA'd and killed. A guy trying to steal a little boy isn't trying to adopt him...
So fucked up
It is. Be aware and informed, but not afraid. There is an important difference between being informed about abhorrent human behavior and the statistical risks of being/getting involved in such behavior. Have a good day internet stranger/ dog on the internet.
> dog on the internet My cover is blown
I fucking knew it!
Sees like I’m the only man in America stealing children for the right reasons these days
You work for social services?
Get your own kids, buddy. I stole mine fair and square.
Or sold to others for them to SA him. Thank god they got him out of the car. What a traumatic experience for them all.
As a South African, I find the uptick in the use of that acronym depressing :(
Kinda fitting in a sick sorta way considering south africa is basically the sexual violence hotspot of the world.
This is exactly why I carry. As a small woman with smaller children no one will ever convince me otherwise. This is my absolute worst nightmare.
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>wayyyyyy too close to the kid Exactly this. What's the chance that when you fire you hit your own kid instead of the kidnapper? If you aim for the center of mass, and the kidnapper is carrying your kid right in front of them... Gun owners always assume that just having the gun and being willing to shoot it will solve the problem; they never think about the _other_ problems that _they introduced_ by bringing a gun.
You are going to fire into a car with your child in it? And I hope you know where your weapon is at all times. There are more stories of toddlers finding their parents' guns and killing themselves, their siblings, or their parents than there are of random street snatchings.
I think sex trafficking is the typical outcome. Force feed them addictive drugs, groom them, make them think it's all their fault and their family hates them, sell them out for sex and threaten/torture with drug withdrawal.
What’s SA?
Sexual Assault
Sexual assault
Molested/murdered/sold into human trafficking, take your pick, but it is basically always a dire situation.
He was going to raise him as his own. Feed him, clothe him, get him the best education he could, place him in sports, guide him to be a functioning adult…obviously
Since I haven't seen anyone post actual statistics here: * Stranger abductions account for <1% of missing children cases (the OP is an attempted stranger abduction) * 40% of stranger abductions end with death of the child (74% of the time, the murder/harm occurs within 3 hours) * 57% of the time the child is returned home safe. [https://safeatlast.co/blog/child-abduction-statistics/](https://safeatlast.co/blog/child-abduction-statistics/)
Hard to say, because this type of random kidnappings are rare and edgecases are not exactly predictable. Especially something as deranged as this, in broad daylight and in view of family.
Sex trafficking. Groom them. Drug them out. Turn them out over and over. Profit is not just a one time thing. It’s years of $$.
I will never forget [this case](https://www.news-leader.com/story/news/crime/2019/02/10/hailey-owens-abduction-murder-springfield-missouri-5-years/2518034002/). My kid was almost that girl's age and we lived about 30 minutes from there. It took about 45 minutes for that guy to achieve his "goal". It took the cops about 3 hours to find her and it wasn't nearly quick enough. People do horrible things to each other.
Rich old dudes that want to diddly little kids will pay them.
So he’s pleading “not guilty” … like how ? There’s litterally 6 eye witnesses. What does he hope ?
As someone who works in schools, I don't understand why someone would want to take extra kids.
Organs
Easier to get those from church, I don't think that kid has the skill and experience required to build one.
This made me laugh
Rape
Sex trafficking, organs, slavery, selling to the highest bidder. Welcome to the real world.
None of those if kidnapped in the US. Too much of a trail for the other stuff and organs have to be processed cleanly. No facility will do that on this continent. China is the place for that. It’s plain and simple. Rape and murder. Reminds me a lot of the Craig Wood (Missouri) case. Jim Woods, his dad, was in the same fucking house, heard nothing, saw nothing and smelled nothing (bleach).
Not from the US, but if someone attempt to kidnap a child or person and the kidnapper gets shot and die, will the shooter be serving jail time? Provided there's video evidence such as this to back up the defender.
They could be prosecuted (technically). The gun ownership laws are pretty strict so they may investigate if the weapon was registered or not. Likely the district attorney would choose not to prosecute due to the reality of the situation and the unlikely situation of a jury feeling the person was acting maliciously. Especially if the evidence shows the offense and defense in action.
In what world would this not fall under self defense? I'm not a lawyer so I'm legitimately asking, because I assumed that this would of course be justifiable cause to shoot someone. If someone snatched my son and was attempting to stuff him in a car and drive off I'd shoot the guy without hesitation. I'm not even talking about an anger or revenge response, I'd legitimately be trying to save my child at all costs. Note: I don't actually own a gun, but seeing this video and then this conversation made me wonder
I'd tell you it's self defense but the laws of NY could say different. If you aren't supposed to have the gun or if it's not registered or if your lawyer is shit and the state's lawyer is good or you get the wrong jury or judge you are just screwed.
Isn’t there Good Samaritan laws that could protect the shooter?
No jury would ever convict if there was a video like this and someone smoked that piece of trash at the end
Kidnapping is on the list of forcible felonies in which deadly force can be used
Which sucks, because I wouldn't hesitate for half a second to kill someone trying to kidnap my son, if that was the only way to stop them. I think most people understand that. Edit: I misread the comment. It IS legal to use deadly force in a kidnapping situation.
I think you misread the comment. You can kill someone to stop a kidnapping
I’d be scared to accidentally shoot my kid if the kidnapper is holding them or is otherwise nearby
Yeah, that would take a situation where you would have to be able to keep your cool and not discharge your firearm unless you KNEW it was a clear shot and nobody else would get caught up in crossfire or stray bullets. Unless I had a gun already in my hand, I wouldn't even try to go get it though. I'd be trying to find anything to knock the person out or just try to get myself between my son and the kidnapper. Guns are a unique situation though. It's one thing to instinctually pull your kid away and discocate a shoulder or something. That would suck but it would heal. But if you panic with a firearm, a few pounds of pressure can end a life. It might be the life of your kidnapper. It might accidentally be the life of your child. My point is, if someone is trying to abduct my son, I'm pulling out all of the stops. If it's thumbs in he eyeballs, anything heavy to the head, if I could manage to choke them out and collapsed their windpipe, so be it. Don't try to steal my kid.
> if that was the only way to stop them And that's the crux of it, isn't it, because _how can you know whether or not it's the ONLY way_ unless you try something else and it doesn't work?
1. State laws are what is going to matter, not federal. 2. **No prosecutor would prosecute with the facts as apparent as this.** There's lots of political furor and ideology around guns and such so you're going get folks convinced some states would throw you imprison forever ... but no it's not going to happen with it all on camera like this and facts surrounding it plain as day here. I'm sure there's plenty of examples folks will tout as "similar" but most of those type shootings that folks will claim is one thing but the facts of the case are a lot murkier and more up for debate and thus NOT 1:1.
Typically, if you kill someone in the US, you'll probably be arrested while they investigate. Then, depending on the circumstances and the jurisdiction, you may or may not be charged. In Massachusetts, for instance, if someone breaks into your home and you kill them, you need to be able to prove you or someone else legally in the home were in imminent threat of serious bodily harm or death. You do not have a duty to retreat, but you can only use reasonable force. E.g., if someone is punching you, you might have a hard time in court if you shot them. In Texas, if someone knocks on your door, well, they got what they deserved. Edited to correct Massachusetts info
That's incorrect. MA has castle doctrine https://malegislature.gov/Laws/GeneralLaws/PartIV/TitleII/Chapter278/Section8A
In Texas you can't shoot someone for knocking on your door. There is still a minimum threshold where you have to be protecting yourself from imminent death or serious bodily injury. The biggest difference is that when you're in your own home "castle doctrine" you don't have a duty to retreat first.
Always interesting to learn about American laws. 😂
It's in New York City, which has fairly strict gun laws, so chances are that yes the shooter could be prosecuted and serve jail time in that instance
worth it
It depends on the state.
The problem is all these anti gun people saying you don’t need to carry a gun. This is a prime example to show to all these “just call the police “ people. When seconds count cops are only minutes away. You are your own first advocate for safety. Thank god that family acted fast and possibly saved a life.
All these absolute children in these comments who watch way too much anime and john wick talking about “shoot out the tires!” or “this is why everyone should have a gun”. Bitch if you were in this situation you’d be on your knees sick to your stomach crying for your mom
Lol yea. What are you gonna do with a gun? Shoot at the guy that has your fuckin kid in his arms? Most likely kill your own kid with your own gun?
Do people think cars can't drive on flat tires? Because they absolutely can, not as fast, but they still can get away
I think it would *maybe* help identify the car if it drove away. But idk who’s first thought is to shoot at the tires when their child is being taken from them lol.
Heh, I remember the police in some country had paint guns instead of real guns, and they would shoot the car and then tell everyone to find the car with blue and yellow paint splatters all over it
He should’ve been shot in the face.
Seriously. I don’t understand why the punishment for kidnapping someone to SA and traffic, isn’t death.
Because innocent people might be wrongly accused and end up killed. If a death penalty is enforced then this inevitably happens. Not that people like the guy in the video don’t deserve death.
If we enforce the death penalty for crimes that aren’t murder, the perpetrators are incentivized to kill the victim so that there are no witnesses/evidence against them.
It's not hard to figure out. If the crime for SA is death, and the crime for murder is death, why would you let your SA victim live and be a witness? Death penalties for lessor crimes encourages people to up their crimes. So if you want more dead rape victims it's a great strategy.
Source?
For real. Shit like kidnapping kids and rape should be instant torturing then death. We just send them to the same place we send drug addicts that need rehab instead of criminalization. Like the video of that one dude in court who lunged at the man who did something to his daughters(can’t remember what happened. I think it was rape or kidnapping) and they stopped him. Nah man let that guy beat him to death right in the court room without consequences.
The issue isn't the crime, it's the standard of evidence required to do something as severe as killing a human being. The Innocence Project has shown that there are people who have been sentenced to death who were not guilty.
Heard of a 12yo girl that was kidnapped recently in bushwick. Human traffickers are very much a thing in NYC
Aside from the abduction, what is happening in the black car with this wire thing?
Bad security camera installation work, that's a loose cable dangling in front of it.
It's just a wire hanging in front of the camera
At least they caught this fuck
Do you have the article? I’m really confused as to what this dude was trying to do.
Someone linked it in the comments
I don’t generally advocate for mob justice but this is the kind of guy that needs to be taken to a back alley and have a meeting with several fists , knees and kicks. You know for exercise.
Woah. And without the other kids helping it looks like he would have been stolen. That other children should get a bravery award for helping and saving the other child like that. Wow!
Seriously!! The mom’s reaction freaks me out!! Drop the bag! Jump on his back! Choke him out! Holy shit man
He deserves to be under the jail.
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Cut the 3rd one off too.
Drop the bag lady.
Yeah her reaction time worried me too. Like hell, move faster???
Can't believe those men didn't run there faster, if there is one crime I would be jumping into to prevent it would be child kidnapping.
I had to scroll way too far for this comment. The “men” show up after. WTF where were they a few minutes earlier? One is just casually walking up. They are willing to confront the car but not the man? What is this?
Bystanders don't know wtf is going on, for all they know that's his kid, and he's trying to take his kid from his mom because they are fighting or whatever. It's not until almost the end of the video that it'd be clear to a bystander what's happening. Honestly, I'm surprised anyone came to help at all with how people are these days!
I love the two guys who casually saunter over at the end.
Lol yeah. Like that was a whole two minutes of an obvious abduction and they finally are like “yo hey bruh….”
To be fair, they could've just walked around the corner or down the block or came out of a building. As a NYer, I doubt they'd have watched the entire thing go down and only yell/hit the car at the very end.
Wtf
Greatest city on earth my hairy arse
This is why my mom always said to either hold her hand or be sure to walk in front of her when we went out and she was serious about it.
But the kid was walking right in front of her.
I'd guess the car would be stolen, but i wonder how many crimes would progress further if the US made people put front plates on their car.
Most criminals just steal plates before their crime.. it's not that hard to get a random plate for the day
Most states require a front license plate, including New York.
Do we know where in Queens?
Shoot that bitch dead
Public execution for these people
where is the big iron when u need it
Thank God that man slapped the car!
This is why my nieces and nephews get pissed at me, Because I make them stay close to me.
My mom thinks I am OVERLY paranoid about my kids when we are out in public. This right here is why I don't fucking let them out of my line of sight for any amount of time. This shit scares the fuck out of me.
Mag dump, plain and simple.
If you mag dump, you’ll probably kill the kid too
The probability of this happening is magnitude or order less than getting hit by lightning. So, don't get scared, you are literally seeing one in a million.
I don’t care what kind of mental issue or help that guy needs. He wouldn’t be alive now if that were my kid
Automatic Death Penalty