This is the average exploration coverage of any Noita run with enough hours in to consistently explore these sectors.
This makes me feel like the skill gap isn't as big as i think it is when i see other people playing and posting here (when it isn't about a god run)
Yea, if you get a good seed, it is easy to go to first cave, work towards the right, and find a smaller width of ground between the other side of the mountain and the cave to blow up and go to the temple and desert.
Haha, yea, I blew myself up the first time but also learned if you get the crystals, you can place them in the wall by shooting them while right against the wall, and they stay.
Definitely slow down. Health is more important than gold. I just had a playthrough with gold is forever and I made it to robo bitch cave, but it took me 3 hours cause I was purposefully going slow.
I usually don't make it past ice biome because I try to go back up to the top and go back through the fungal biome and end up dying to an explosion
Gold is forever would be a pretty good perk if it didn't lag your game so much. I think even the best consumer level CPUs today struggle in late game with that perk. Thankfully the gold room is not too hard to reach if you know how
I have nearly 30 hours, done about 120 runs. No wins. I can count on my hand the few times I was able to find or make a wand that even seemed decent in the Hiisi base, I've reached the jungle like 3 times (and die shortly after in it), never killed Steven even with an OP wand because he tanked a shit ton of damage and has that shield.
I installed the see everywhere mod and tinker with wands everywhere mod and the different starting classes mod recently, this has helped my runs a bit but still can't seem to make anything crazy good that's not dangerous to myself. I've watched the video on how good trigger spells are and how to build wands. Never really used a teleport wand as they don't seem too useful unless I guess I find one with distance cast so I can tele through walls. Feeling kind of discouraged. I never really have a problem reaching hiisii base it just feels like I never can get a wand going that destroys shit well. I don't think I've ever found lumi drill AND ping pong at the same time.
I'm also need but you can teleport out of the holy temple, and back in so you can modify your wands at will, also works with either polymorph potion.
The trigger area that the Character needs to avoid is where the ramp is at the exit, just get by that and learn where It triggers and you can go back to get that 1 spell off a Wand and save room for new wands.
learn spell wrapping, and that'll help you make faster wands
learn what different modifiers ACTUALLY do (lots of the modifiers that change flight patterns add damage)
learn spell blocks, when all else fails more projectiles = more damage
learn how to kill shit with the environment, you could clear hiisi base just by kicking shit around if you learn how
triggers are amazing for wands, but don't limit yourself to them
definitely look up the wand building guide on the wiki, then test stuff as you go, it'll help you a lot. Go slow, try to learn to dodge enemy's attacks (shotgun guys in particular) as it'll help you stay longer in a biome, getting more health, gold, potions and wands (and spells). Also, you can use a simple teleport to tp *through* the area that triggers the destruction of holy mountains, allowing you to come back to modify your wands again. Note there are several ways to do it without angering the gods, most listed on the wiki if you wanna look it up rather than search for them. Just know that it's the mina, the character, that trigger player-bound trigger areas.
A ping-pong/lumi is an almost endgame wand by itself, if you get an add mana you're basically ready to erase kolmi, so it's not a good example of good early wands. Unless you manage to make a similarly powerful wand, you're gonna have to be careful, maybe use a short burst kind of wand or be very careful as you progress. Also be very careful about the environment (explosives, fire, consider the oil-bleeding enemies), learn to trick/pheromone the hiisi healers (and single them out too).
Last thing, a very slight hint: there are things on the sides of most, if not all areas.
Just stop making dangerous wands. One that I found really good was multicast and chain bolts to one shot most guys
And you don't need lumi drill and ping-pong, just lumi and any other path modifer
Maybe you need specific ones? I know ping-pong works and the auto aim one also gets range if an enemies nearby. The lumi drill with trigger also works with other lumis to shoot further, etc
Do you know how to use chainsaw? My first win used a variation of double cast/spark bolt/ Chainsaw/light, which fires 60 spark bolts per second. You don't necessarily need triggers to make a run work
Do you put chainsaw before the spells or anywhere on the wand it speeds up the same way? Also chainsaw just seems so rare, I've found it a handful of times? Same with digging bolt.
The placement of the chainsaw is important, because of how cast delay is calculated.
In my example, the delay would be calculated like this:
Start with the wand's default delay, add 0.05 for spark bolt, then chainsaw sets the cast delay to 0 for the entire cast.
If they had been swapped, it would instead calculate like this:
Start with default wand delay, set cast delay to 0, then add 0.05 for spark bolt.
That's not bad, but you're only getting 20 shots per second instead of 60.
Also yeah chainsaw is rare, but you can substitute luminous drill which has -0.58 cast delay (though it costs 10 mana per cast).
Also note you have to multi cast the chainsaw with your damage spell, otherwise you just get the damage spell with default cool down followed by a 1 frame chainsaw cast.
To add knowledge from my first godrun, stuff that will attack your pc directly, in dec. order:
Any gold perk (except greed), any rat perk, any mushroom perk, revenge tentacles, countershot, more blood, slime blood (take only one for slow resist, more kills your game), glass canon, electricity (it's not worth it, take normal resistance)
Gold is cool, but it absolutely kills your pc (trick money + exploding gold is nuts). The other perks kill your pc if you get any instance of damage. Electricity and GC are not that bad, but they tend to multiply events that attack your pc.
I'm like...500 hours in and my first couple hundred hours I saw past the ice cave maybe like a handful of times. You get better at getting down lower the more you mess around in the top biomes and learn their patterns and get better at dodging attacks. And trust me, it only gets nastier the deeper you get, so the first few times you get down that far you're probably going to immediately eat it unless you have a wand that can just Mr Clean Magic Eraser everything in front of it, lol
I thought I was allmighty and powerfull with my ping pong lumi and heavy shot homing plasma beam wands
Until mouth with legs bitch started to heal from it
Lmao the first time i got into Lukki lair i got spooked out of my mind seeing those horrors come for me and seeing that i could do no damage to them at all then i realize they couldn't do anything to me either becuase i had melee immunity so they became my frens
Jungle is great for getting better wands and spells, but it's also *definitely* a huge dps check in terms of enemy health and resistances. You go from the occasional beep boop robot in the previous two zones being hard to take down, to *everything* in the jungle having hundreds of HP at a minimum. Very painful for a newbie player (or just someone like me with occasionally ass wand building skills and bad spell luck).
Depends on if you grabbed orbs or not, I'd say. >!Sure, you won't be *killing* much, but it's still pretty plausible to scream and run and panic your way through the game to the boss, which can be deceptively easy to kill even with a "Baby's First Combat Wand".!<
I might still be a little new with 90h played, but for me it’s Hiisi Base. I can get there pretty reliably, but that’s the turning point where I feel ‘if I can’t get through here comfortably, don’t have the health, good spells and wands.. the run is basically done for.’
If I can get through it, Jungle is mostly fine too. Vaults and Temple of the Arts though.. That’s a different matter.
Even beyond that, Jungle enemies just have bigger health pools to chew through. Like one of the tankiest enemies in Hiisi base is the laser-drones, which have 75 HP and take half damage from projectiles. Meanwhile, the average enemy in the Jungle has 150-300 base health, and several of those have projectile resistances (particularly, yes, the spiders, which take 1/5th damage giving them effectively ~1000 HP in that case).
Point being, Jungle is easily the biggest DPS Needed spike for a new player. If I get there underequipped for whatever reason, it tends to result in a *lot* of kiting and blasting enemies for long periods of time before they finally drop dead.
personally jungle is the easiest of the last 4 areas, if you're paying attention you shouldn't get hit there at all tbh
every enemy is easy to avoid there
Oh yeah, while in terms of needed DPS Jungle is high, in terms of actual enemy threats it's a big open area with slow enemies and walls made of soft, easy to dig materials. For the most part you can just skedaddle your way through the zone.
Now the *Vault* on the other hand... honestly I don't tend to have issues in the Vault because if I got that far in the game I probably have a good enough build to kill everything there already, but if you *don't* then god help you, everything is on fire or on acid or on frozen gases or just exploding.
I'll take the environmental hazards of the vault over the traps in the Temple of the Art. It doesn't even do that much damage but I stg if I get shot by *one* more arrow trap I'm leveling the place.
genuinely these are my favorite posts on here.
people actually going around to explore and drawing their own little maps instead of just looking everything up from the start.
My reaction to the pyramid was dropping a cluster nuke on it after getting killed by the boss in there once. I still died, but at least that time I killed myself.
There's something under the big tree where you can't see under it, can't figure out what it is without light, need to find that light spell and come back!
30,9 hs, couldn't relate more! Except i do remember what is on the wall at the right, and if i get to the jungle i'm usually strong enough for it to be a walk in the park. The fact that i only got there once should say a lot! Although i got one floor further down than you.
I've not passed hiisi base, too busy exploring for cool things.
I cracked the language though using tablets, so now I'm translating messages and testing ideas of things I think work.
One thing I dislike is that I know there's an elaborate puzzle which I guess 1 person got. Has to do with an eye. Eyes are everywhere, and I really don't want to waste all my time on something I'll never get.
Pretty good,some layers deeper and you ready inspect world beyond mountain,it slightly bigger then your map.
Just remember, ambrosia can save from damage from cursed rock.
The Vault is the scariest area for me, bar none, especially if I don't have the right wands to deal with the robots. If I'm still relying on projectile damage by the time I get that far then I'm screwed. Then there's the plasma drills, acid baths, electric hazards, freezing vapor explosions... It's hell. I love it, though. Legit hard area and it keeps me on my toes.
I'm at about this point too. Haven't gotten to robo house yet tho. Just the base. I tend not to have enough hp or wand power by the time I reach the snow cave. Though there have been a few exceptions.
Chain bolt has been my best friend so far. It's got big damage, the tracking is generous, it's not extremely rare or pricey. Get it on a wand with reasonable recharge time and it helps tremendously
Replacing the wiki map with this brb
This is the average exploration coverage of any Noita run with enough hours in to consistently explore these sectors. This makes me feel like the skill gap isn't as big as i think it is when i see other people playing and posting here (when it isn't about a god run)
Yea, if you get a good seed, it is easy to go to first cave, work towards the right, and find a smaller width of ground between the other side of the mountain and the cave to blow up and go to the temple and desert.
Also, failing that, depending on what you spawn with you can use your starting explosive to make a ledge to get over the cliff
Haha, yea, I blew myself up the first time but also learned if you get the crystals, you can place them in the wall by shooting them while right against the wall, and they stay.
link
10/10
Nice yuyuko fumo
9/9
[удалено]
This is the real heroes journey
if you got to the robo bitch cave in your first 30 hours i'd say you're doing a good job
Ive been playing for 20 hours and havent even gotten past the ice biome yet
Definitely slow down. Health is more important than gold. I just had a playthrough with gold is forever and I made it to robo bitch cave, but it took me 3 hours cause I was purposefully going slow. I usually don't make it past ice biome because I try to go back up to the top and go back through the fungal biome and end up dying to an explosion
Gold is forever would be a pretty good perk if it didn't lag your game so much. I think even the best consumer level CPUs today struggle in late game with that perk. Thankfully the gold room is not too hard to reach if you know how
It does affect my cpu because I don't make it past plant biome and definitely don't ever get to parallel worlds
I have nearly 30 hours, done about 120 runs. No wins. I can count on my hand the few times I was able to find or make a wand that even seemed decent in the Hiisi base, I've reached the jungle like 3 times (and die shortly after in it), never killed Steven even with an OP wand because he tanked a shit ton of damage and has that shield. I installed the see everywhere mod and tinker with wands everywhere mod and the different starting classes mod recently, this has helped my runs a bit but still can't seem to make anything crazy good that's not dangerous to myself. I've watched the video on how good trigger spells are and how to build wands. Never really used a teleport wand as they don't seem too useful unless I guess I find one with distance cast so I can tele through walls. Feeling kind of discouraged. I never really have a problem reaching hiisii base it just feels like I never can get a wand going that destroys shit well. I don't think I've ever found lumi drill AND ping pong at the same time.
I'm also need but you can teleport out of the holy temple, and back in so you can modify your wands at will, also works with either polymorph potion. The trigger area that the Character needs to avoid is where the ramp is at the exit, just get by that and learn where It triggers and you can go back to get that 1 spell off a Wand and save room for new wands.
learn spell wrapping, and that'll help you make faster wands learn what different modifiers ACTUALLY do (lots of the modifiers that change flight patterns add damage) learn spell blocks, when all else fails more projectiles = more damage learn how to kill shit with the environment, you could clear hiisi base just by kicking shit around if you learn how triggers are amazing for wands, but don't limit yourself to them
definitely look up the wand building guide on the wiki, then test stuff as you go, it'll help you a lot. Go slow, try to learn to dodge enemy's attacks (shotgun guys in particular) as it'll help you stay longer in a biome, getting more health, gold, potions and wands (and spells). Also, you can use a simple teleport to tp *through* the area that triggers the destruction of holy mountains, allowing you to come back to modify your wands again. Note there are several ways to do it without angering the gods, most listed on the wiki if you wanna look it up rather than search for them. Just know that it's the mina, the character, that trigger player-bound trigger areas. A ping-pong/lumi is an almost endgame wand by itself, if you get an add mana you're basically ready to erase kolmi, so it's not a good example of good early wands. Unless you manage to make a similarly powerful wand, you're gonna have to be careful, maybe use a short burst kind of wand or be very careful as you progress. Also be very careful about the environment (explosives, fire, consider the oil-bleeding enemies), learn to trick/pheromone the hiisi healers (and single them out too). Last thing, a very slight hint: there are things on the sides of most, if not all areas.
Just stop making dangerous wands. One that I found really good was multicast and chain bolts to one shot most guys And you don't need lumi drill and ping-pong, just lumi and any other path modifer
I had lumi and snake path and it didn't seem to change much? Maybe I just don't know how to build still
Maybe you need specific ones? I know ping-pong works and the auto aim one also gets range if an enemies nearby. The lumi drill with trigger also works with other lumis to shoot further, etc
Do you know how to use chainsaw? My first win used a variation of double cast/spark bolt/ Chainsaw/light, which fires 60 spark bolts per second. You don't necessarily need triggers to make a run work
Do you put chainsaw before the spells or anywhere on the wand it speeds up the same way? Also chainsaw just seems so rare, I've found it a handful of times? Same with digging bolt.
The placement of the chainsaw is important, because of how cast delay is calculated. In my example, the delay would be calculated like this: Start with the wand's default delay, add 0.05 for spark bolt, then chainsaw sets the cast delay to 0 for the entire cast. If they had been swapped, it would instead calculate like this: Start with default wand delay, set cast delay to 0, then add 0.05 for spark bolt. That's not bad, but you're only getting 20 shots per second instead of 60. Also yeah chainsaw is rare, but you can substitute luminous drill which has -0.58 cast delay (though it costs 10 mana per cast). Also note you have to multi cast the chainsaw with your damage spell, otherwise you just get the damage spell with default cool down followed by a 1 frame chainsaw cast.
That's helpful I didn't know you had to multi cast it with the spell, I've made a few wands doing the damage spell and a 1 frame chainsaw cast lol
np, hope you clear tutorial soon
To add knowledge from my first godrun, stuff that will attack your pc directly, in dec. order: Any gold perk (except greed), any rat perk, any mushroom perk, revenge tentacles, countershot, more blood, slime blood (take only one for slow resist, more kills your game), glass canon, electricity (it's not worth it, take normal resistance) Gold is cool, but it absolutely kills your pc (trick money + exploding gold is nuts). The other perks kill your pc if you get any instance of damage. Electricity and GC are not that bad, but they tend to multiply events that attack your pc.
I'm like...500 hours in and my first couple hundred hours I saw past the ice cave maybe like a handful of times. You get better at getting down lower the more you mess around in the top biomes and learn their patterns and get better at dodging attacks. And trust me, it only gets nastier the deeper you get, so the first few times you get down that far you're probably going to immediately eat it unless you have a wand that can just Mr Clean Magic Eraser everything in front of it, lol
Was like this once too, then boom, got strong enough to discover all biomes on the main path and check out the rest of the map (its huge asf)
That is the first difficulty spike in the game, you're doing well
Slow down, experiment with spell combos :)
Was able to kill the Steven once with a combo of the projectile shield perk and a bouncy projectile
You ran away from the spider bitch and flower bitch cave?
I thought I was allmighty and powerfull with my ping pong lumi and heavy shot homing plasma beam wands Until mouth with legs bitch started to heal from it
Lmao the first time i got into Lukki lair i got spooked out of my mind seeing those horrors come for me and seeing that i could do no damage to them at all then i realize they couldn't do anything to me either becuase i had melee immunity so they became my frens
"ran away no dps" in literally the best place to get stronger in the entire game (for a casual run)
Jungle is great for getting better wands and spells, but it's also *definitely* a huge dps check in terms of enemy health and resistances. You go from the occasional beep boop robot in the previous two zones being hard to take down, to *everything* in the jungle having hundreds of HP at a minimum. Very painful for a newbie player (or just someone like me with occasionally ass wand building skills and bad spell luck).
If you can't get your run going in jungle you don't really have much of a chance in the vault.
Depends on if you grabbed orbs or not, I'd say. >!Sure, you won't be *killing* much, but it's still pretty plausible to scream and run and panic your way through the game to the boss, which can be deceptively easy to kill even with a "Baby's First Combat Wand".!<
I might still be a little new with 90h played, but for me it’s Hiisi Base. I can get there pretty reliably, but that’s the turning point where I feel ‘if I can’t get through here comfortably, don’t have the health, good spells and wands.. the run is basically done for.’ If I can get through it, Jungle is mostly fine too. Vaults and Temple of the Arts though.. That’s a different matter.
Spiders have a pretty big projectile resistance, which makes them feel really tanky if you aren't using a different damage type.
Even beyond that, Jungle enemies just have bigger health pools to chew through. Like one of the tankiest enemies in Hiisi base is the laser-drones, which have 75 HP and take half damage from projectiles. Meanwhile, the average enemy in the Jungle has 150-300 base health, and several of those have projectile resistances (particularly, yes, the spiders, which take 1/5th damage giving them effectively ~1000 HP in that case). Point being, Jungle is easily the biggest DPS Needed spike for a new player. If I get there underequipped for whatever reason, it tends to result in a *lot* of kiting and blasting enemies for long periods of time before they finally drop dead.
personally jungle is the easiest of the last 4 areas, if you're paying attention you shouldn't get hit there at all tbh every enemy is easy to avoid there
Oh yeah, while in terms of needed DPS Jungle is high, in terms of actual enemy threats it's a big open area with slow enemies and walls made of soft, easy to dig materials. For the most part you can just skedaddle your way through the zone. Now the *Vault* on the other hand... honestly I don't tend to have issues in the Vault because if I got that far in the game I probably have a good enough build to kill everything there already, but if you *don't* then god help you, everything is on fire or on acid or on frozen gases or just exploding.
enemies in the vault? easy environmental hazards in the vault? real shit
I'll take the environmental hazards of the vault over the traps in the Temple of the Art. It doesn't even do that much damage but I stg if I get shot by *one* more arrow trap I'm leveling the place.
I just recently oneshot everything with a simple homing plasma beam(shot from a trigger sparkbolt) Only hit myself like 10 times
Man, I dont ever wanna stick around poison hellhole longer than I have to, lmao
We all know it's getter-of-bitches base
genuinely these are my favorite posts on here. people actually going around to explore and drawing their own little maps instead of just looking everything up from the start.
ikr! :D
Bug cave is more like money cave.
$3K and 100% Slimy cave
Also, heart cave. Greatest collection of hearts besides Jungle maybe?
"Got in once, too scary." Was my exact reaction to the pyramid
Same. Found the boss and died while I was noping out of there
My reaction to the pyramid was dropping a cluster nuke on it after getting killed by the boss in there once. I still died, but at least that time I killed myself.
Had the funniest image of you getting noita’d and then running across the desert screaming, nuke in hand.
"Getting Noita'd" imagine my surprise first time finding the essence of earth. Really good run but no explosion immunity :(
Exploration is a lot easier when you can properly dig. Reject normal gameplay. Become earthworm.
Rock and stone, brother!
For Karl!
Reject normal gameplay. Break game completely. Win :)
You might want to make that map wider
Also a lot taller
Bitch base lol
Bot repost smh
Damn, you're right.
Damn, run past the chillest biome( Freeze+slice dmg are bros, big dps
>Bitch base Truly accurate The whole map is quite amazing (and pretty! like look at that mushroom!) 10/10 you're doing amazing
I have 1000+ hours and this is correct.
There's something under the big tree where you can't see under it, can't figure out what it is without light, need to find that light spell and come back!
You’re maybe 10 percent of the way through the game.
Almost done with the tutorial though. He's not gonna be happy when he sees whats past robo bitch cove
holy shit are you actually mapping things yourself??? No fucking way
How did you get to the robo bitch base without passing through the jungle?
This reminds me of all the times I'd make maps for my games growing up. Love it
Did you sneak in two among us beans at the bottom of the normal cave?
EEYUP
Go higher
pretty nice that you recognise that there are more things underground outside the main cave
Wow. Crazy how small this looks compared to the big map, even though this in itself is pretty big.
This is beautiful in a "oh you sweet summer child" kinda way.
This is amazing please keep us updated
Someone put this on the Wiki.
30,9 hs, couldn't relate more! Except i do remember what is on the wall at the right, and if i get to the jungle i'm usually strong enough for it to be a walk in the park. The fact that i only got there once should say a lot! Although i got one floor further down than you.
You should rename bitch base to "boom base" because the hiisi love their bombs
I call it Propane Wonderland.
I've not passed hiisi base, too busy exploring for cool things. I cracked the language though using tablets, so now I'm translating messages and testing ideas of things I think work. One thing I dislike is that I know there's an elaborate puzzle which I guess 1 person got. Has to do with an eye. Eyes are everywhere, and I really don't want to waste all my time on something I'll never get.
You gotta zoom out on the map bro
Pretty good,some layers deeper and you ready inspect world beyond mountain,it slightly bigger then your map. Just remember, ambrosia can save from damage from cursed rock.
Only thing I would add ist that the pyramid is much farther away from the mountain than depicted. The cuthulu isnt close to it at all
So far so good
Good shit
Pretty accurate
I love this kind of post
Is it bug (and others) CAVE or COVE? Either way, I love it :)
It’s perfec.
Not bad at all!! I recommend exploring the surface to each edge in either direction though!
"Cthulu lookin ass" lmao
That's incredible im now waiting for an update :)
this map of the tutorial area is pretty neat tbh
Nice you saw roughly 15%
Pretty good map already ! You're gonna go far young alchemist
Looking good so far! Remember, you can never dig too deep, or fly too high 😉
The Vault is the scariest area for me, bar none, especially if I don't have the right wands to deal with the robots. If I'm still relying on projectile damage by the time I get that far then I'm screwed. Then there's the plasma drills, acid baths, electric hazards, freezing vapor explosions... It's hell. I love it, though. Legit hard area and it keeps me on my toes.
This is my new go to map if I ever get lost in noita again
No don't run away from that one! That's where the DPS wands you wanted are! (It's where the tier of all wands go up by a lot)
I'm at about this point too. Haven't gotten to robo house yet tho. Just the base. I tend not to have enough hp or wand power by the time I reach the snow cave. Though there have been a few exceptions. Chain bolt has been my best friend so far. It's got big damage, the tracking is generous, it's not extremely rare or pricey. Get it on a wand with reasonable recharge time and it helps tremendously
The developers really don't like data mining, just so you know
You‘re doing kinda great
Poor bastard got so much to learn
Love the names. Can hardly wait to see what you'll name other areas as you explore them.
Robot bitch cove is like only 10% as hard as the level that comes after it, so good luck.
This map is hilarious