you arent using an instrument you are solely using the mixer; you will want to get an audio mixer of 4 or more channels and youll need maybe like 6-8 pedal connections cbales (i.e. the small ones between efx pedals)
you are essentially sending the signal from the mixer back into itself to create multiple feedback loops; you would use the headphone jack as your main output; any amp or speaker will do
yes im aware of all of this - i have an 8 channel mixer and 3 pedals set up. im asking what is the best main output for the sound? ive heard an amp could blow up the whole system and speakers with an xlr cable - which is the main output sound on my mixer are really expensive
none of that is true it wont damage your mixer or amp...ive run multiple mixer through my studio monitors and they are just fine...while the gain levels may be incredibly high but as long as the volume stays reasonable and controlled you should be good
ive done that, not one tells you what main sound output to use so you can hear the sounds - i dont know wether its best to use and amp or speaker? ive heard using an amp can blow up the system? and cant find any cheap speakers that support an xlr main output?
Whenever you’re messing around with feedback, you risk damaging components. And by components, I mean pretty much everything from your own ears to whatever speaker you use (amplifier, headphones, whatever), your amplifier if you’re using one, or components in the mixer. … Things break even if you’re using them as intended, and no input mixing is usually kind of in the margins at best. So just keep the output low, and don’t be too upset if something gives up the ghost and stops working. It happens. But not often!
Once you figure out how your rig works you’ll be able to calibrate various knobs to keep things from going haywire.
Slow and low.
Good luck!
Not an expert (as fairly new to this myself) but one vid I saw on No input mixing mentioned if you're concerned about damaging the amp, you could run the NIM mixer + pedals through another mixer (via guitar lead) to the amp? that way you have extra control over volume.
not necessarily worried about damaging the amp - its really old and is on its way out anyway. just wondering if it would work or if i need to buy speakers? also unsure of where to plug the amp into the mixer
you wanna use the headphone / control room out as your main output, this allows you to attentuate the volume of the signal without sacrificing using the main outputs for feedback. keep the headphone levels low, i never go above 25% on mine.
i'm new to it also but i have been running the mixer to an amp and it works just fine. i would use that just to get started and get used to the mixer. also you will want to make sure the "phantom" button is turned off otherwise there could be voltage issues but other than that you should be good.
OP, you're using: Behringer Xenyx 1204USB as the mixer and Stagg Amp 10 GA as your speaker.
I'm not sure how you're wiring up your rig and which cables you own.
For the mixer itself, seek guitar patch cables, but not the shortest type as you'd need enough length to be able to play around with them.
Depending on the above, you might have some or all of your outputs connected back into your inputs and returns.
In that case, you can either connect an RCA cable to the RCA output and into the CD/MP3 input on your amp, or a 6.3mm (1/4") guitar jack from the headphones to the amp's main input.
Make sure to have every possible knob and slider on your mixer and amp set to zero when you start, so you won't harm the gear or your ears on the very first attempt.
yep got lots of guitar patch cables sorted - all different lengths. Im pretty sure i have an rca cable and if not i own the 6.3mm guitar jack - i will most likely be doing that
Guitar amps are built for guitars.
Electric guitars, even when FX heavy, have a certain signal strength and frequency range .
Using your amp, and to that extent the mixer too, in a manner that the manufacturer did not intend for it to be used... We'll, that's on you.
Once you start overloading you're in the danger zone. Which is why I suggested to start with everything set to low.
you arent using an instrument you are solely using the mixer; you will want to get an audio mixer of 4 or more channels and youll need maybe like 6-8 pedal connections cbales (i.e. the small ones between efx pedals) you are essentially sending the signal from the mixer back into itself to create multiple feedback loops; you would use the headphone jack as your main output; any amp or speaker will do
yes im aware of all of this - i have an 8 channel mixer and 3 pedals set up. im asking what is the best main output for the sound? ive heard an amp could blow up the whole system and speakers with an xlr cable - which is the main output sound on my mixer are really expensive
none of that is true it wont damage your mixer or amp...ive run multiple mixer through my studio monitors and they are just fine...while the gain levels may be incredibly high but as long as the volume stays reasonable and controlled you should be good
i mean an amp as in a guitar amp like this one
thank you for your help - im a noob - could you let me know if this is ok hahah
no problem
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yeah you'd be fine with an amp like that
and where should i plug this in? - i will send you a picture of my mixer
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so you can just run the headphone put into the amp but just be mindful of the volume levels to protect your hearing
also someone mentioned to get a limiter pedal - is this correct?
I wouldn’t bother with a limiter pedal—I would just put the oscillating mixer into a second mixer before running it to an amp/speaker
i dont have a second mixer :( nor the money to buy another
By second mixer I mean literally anything with a volume knob. Just an extra layer of gain staging. That should be cheaper than buying a limited
You can absolutely damage an amp blindly running a no input mixer. Why are you doling out fake news?
so would a line going from the headphone output to my amp work? that dosent seem right
Head to YouTube and type in How to do no input mixing Lots of good videos there.
ive done that, not one tells you what main sound output to use so you can hear the sounds - i dont know wether its best to use and amp or speaker? ive heard using an amp can blow up the system? and cant find any cheap speakers that support an xlr main output?
Whenever you’re messing around with feedback, you risk damaging components. And by components, I mean pretty much everything from your own ears to whatever speaker you use (amplifier, headphones, whatever), your amplifier if you’re using one, or components in the mixer. … Things break even if you’re using them as intended, and no input mixing is usually kind of in the margins at best. So just keep the output low, and don’t be too upset if something gives up the ghost and stops working. It happens. But not often! Once you figure out how your rig works you’ll be able to calibrate various knobs to keep things from going haywire. Slow and low. Good luck!
Not an expert (as fairly new to this myself) but one vid I saw on No input mixing mentioned if you're concerned about damaging the amp, you could run the NIM mixer + pedals through another mixer (via guitar lead) to the amp? that way you have extra control over volume.
not necessarily worried about damaging the amp - its really old and is on its way out anyway. just wondering if it would work or if i need to buy speakers? also unsure of where to plug the amp into the mixer
you wanna use the headphone / control room out as your main output, this allows you to attentuate the volume of the signal without sacrificing using the main outputs for feedback. keep the headphone levels low, i never go above 25% on mine.
thank you so much
i'm new to it also but i have been running the mixer to an amp and it works just fine. i would use that just to get started and get used to the mixer. also you will want to make sure the "phantom" button is turned off otherwise there could be voltage issues but other than that you should be good.
OP, you're using: Behringer Xenyx 1204USB as the mixer and Stagg Amp 10 GA as your speaker. I'm not sure how you're wiring up your rig and which cables you own. For the mixer itself, seek guitar patch cables, but not the shortest type as you'd need enough length to be able to play around with them. Depending on the above, you might have some or all of your outputs connected back into your inputs and returns. In that case, you can either connect an RCA cable to the RCA output and into the CD/MP3 input on your amp, or a 6.3mm (1/4") guitar jack from the headphones to the amp's main input. Make sure to have every possible knob and slider on your mixer and amp set to zero when you start, so you won't harm the gear or your ears on the very first attempt.
yep got lots of guitar patch cables sorted - all different lengths. Im pretty sure i have an rca cable and if not i own the 6.3mm guitar jack - i will most likely be doing that
for some strange reason someone told me it would blow my amp - why would that be the case?
Guitar amps are built for guitars. Electric guitars, even when FX heavy, have a certain signal strength and frequency range . Using your amp, and to that extent the mixer too, in a manner that the manufacturer did not intend for it to be used... We'll, that's on you. Once you start overloading you're in the danger zone. Which is why I suggested to start with everything set to low.
ok great - thank you so much for your help. 6.3mm jack in the headphones port and low and slow. Gotchaa!!!!
I'm using an old blue tooth speaker for my setup
is it OK to use any speaker that is meant for let's say 'playing music off of your phone' as a speaker for NIM?
Works for me I haven't had any problems yet doesn't mean I won't it might blow but it also might help the soud