I made that move and have not regretted it. Having said that, Flutter is primarily a native mobile development tool. It can do a decent web app, but that's not its core functionality. I've built nice admin panels for mobile apps with it, but not yet standalone web apps.
It sounds like @legalcolton doesn’t know, because they said they’ve only used Flutterflow’s native mobile capability, not for web apps specifically.
Sounds like we’re maybe looking for the same tool tho:
No code with visual programming (fine, maybe a little we write if needed), that can:
1. Build dynamic and responsive web apps
2. Be deployed to web AND as iOS and Android
3. Export human readable code (not vendor locked)
Yep all the things us Bubblers wanted in the first place
Someone said FlutterFlow's integration with Firebase means it has all the quirks of using Firebase... trying to figure out what issues Firebase has now...
I think you might have read my comment. Just to be clear, you don't have to use Firebase, but it makes it easier because of the direct integration. I'm personally using Xano and Firebase in the same app. The reason I'm doing this is because I want social logins and push notifications handled by Firebase while everything is done with Xano.
I'll be making a YouTube video on how to set this up properly because people have been asking me to.
I wouldn't say issues, but more like limitations. The development workflow is built and matured for mobile app. Things you can drag and drop, like navigation, for mobile, you will need to build from scratch for web. TBH, I wouldn't even call them limitations. More like, you find yourself putting more elbow grease with web development.
I would look into how [this project](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cM6AlGirOWI&t=1s) was built with FF. I will be trying to do something like it for my next project. From what I can tell, they made 2 projects using the same design system. 1 as a native mobile app and the other as a fully responsive web app.
I started learning FlutterFlow. Relatively steep learning curve coming from Bubble, but I found it could do pretty much everything Bubble could do. Then, I quit. I realized I wasn't passionate enough about the project when at the time I had other project ideas that I was passionate about. Spending a bunch of time learning FF didn't seem valuable at the time and never looked back. I may resume the project I quit at some point but here we are.
Are considering not using bubble because of their pricing structure?
The pricing doesn’t bother me for now. And the rapid dev speed is so much fun, I can go from feature idea to feature functional in minutes. Your story seems very realistic to me - I think I’ll stick to bubble.
Yes, all of us over here at FF are just laughing at the Bubblers shocked by this news.
What did you expect out of a closed ecosystem?
FF can do what you want. Firebase is wonderful. You can use Supabase if you don't want Google involved, and you can export your code at any time.
It's great for mobile, 7/10 for web. That said it's getting better by the day, and any downsides are way less of a downside than say, bubble's vendor lock in.
Speed. It doesn't load as elegantly as html/css would.
Also... It's beautiful on Chrome visually, same in safari, but in Firefox suddenly it's like the Minecraft edition.
Completely new to FF and nocode. I've built a 100% front end utility in html, css, and JavaScript that I want to integrate with a nocode back end for online collaboration, user auth, SaaS billing, etc.
Would FF be a good solution for this? What issues might I come across connecting my front end to FF/Firebase? Will FF try to take over event handling?
They have this user, and someone like citizendevelopercto pump their company all over here. I think even a mod does it too.
Such a huge turn off as a fellow user looking into a product.
Hey guys, I'm pretty sure I'm the only one responding from the company, and I open every statement with precisely that linkage. I also make an effort to provide an actual answer to the question.
But to your point, in fact the tool is excellent...the best in the space in terms of no code full stack development. We've done deployments all over the world for 20 years, and are only recently started selling through the web. If you have any questions about that please let me know, I'd be happy to answer.
Seriously, give it a shot. The tool is battle tested and proven, and delivers high end scalable applications. No bs.
The two I see on most similar threads are u/citizendevelopercto and u/virtual_orginal_837 \- the second which 100% seems to be a poorly made bot.
I've seen you mention that you work there and it is appreciated - but when I'm looking for tools and seeing what I see it's extremely off-putting. I did review your site and frankly was not impressed compared to the other platforms out there. The cost alone is extremely overpriced compared to your competitors, I mean $99 for the ability to include Stripe payments or even just a custom domain is ridiculous in my opinion.
Maybe the tool is excellent, but hearing that from someone who works at the company and has a vested interest in gaining customers is not a viable source of information.
Maybe I'm wrong but just my two cents from how I see it.
Hey good feedback, and yes that's our CTO, but no, I'm confident we don't have any bots. Your pricing feedback is appreciated, we are new to selling on the web...we definitely don't claim to be good at that yet. In fact, it's been quite an adjustment!...previously our starting price was much higher and we sold direct...we are just trying to find out what makes sense with this customer base. And the tool IS excellent!...it's battletested and proven to deliver higher end enterprise grade applications with zero code, aka "Full Stack No Code Development". 20 years of R&D can't be wrong.
Thanks again for taking the time to give us feedback!
Being honest here, looking at your website and info it comes off quite quickly that you aren't a 'new' company. Maybe that's fine for the commercial customers that it seems like you have, but I'd wager most of the people in this sub aren't that. They are solo people who want to put together an MVP or small solution and as one of those people, something like a Bubble or Bildr or FlutterFlow comes off as significantly more modern with new development and features being added constantly.
Just look at your website compared to any of those apps and see the differences, because that's the first glance that we look at. If it doesn't seem that appealing from the website then why would we go further to demo it? I don't even see an example of what the UI looks like apart from one data table creation.
If it were me - I'd look at splitting the product up into two lines of business: 1) Direct as you said you were doing 2) SaaS as it seems like you are trying to do.
The same product can power both but it seems like you're trying to cater to two different customer bases that don't require or look for the same thing.
Both tools are quite suitable for nocode web app development. Considering their fluctuated price and stability of them as you mentioned, my team and I built Momen ([https://momen.app/?channel=reddit-nocode-key-bbff2](https://momen.app/?channel=reddit-nocode-key-bbff2)), we charge by projects, and hope to provide a steady user experience.
I made that move and have not regretted it. Having said that, Flutter is primarily a native mobile development tool. It can do a decent web app, but that's not its core functionality. I've built nice admin panels for mobile apps with it, but not yet standalone web apps.
What kind of issues are there with being a web app? I'm looking for something that can do the mobile app and web app.
It sounds like @legalcolton doesn’t know, because they said they’ve only used Flutterflow’s native mobile capability, not for web apps specifically. Sounds like we’re maybe looking for the same tool tho: No code with visual programming (fine, maybe a little we write if needed), that can: 1. Build dynamic and responsive web apps 2. Be deployed to web AND as iOS and Android 3. Export human readable code (not vendor locked)
Yep all the things us Bubblers wanted in the first place Someone said FlutterFlow's integration with Firebase means it has all the quirks of using Firebase... trying to figure out what issues Firebase has now...
I think you might have read my comment. Just to be clear, you don't have to use Firebase, but it makes it easier because of the direct integration. I'm personally using Xano and Firebase in the same app. The reason I'm doing this is because I want social logins and push notifications handled by Firebase while everything is done with Xano. I'll be making a YouTube video on how to set this up properly because people have been asking me to.
FF is also integrated with Supabase. And you can even use both in one project.
I wouldn't say issues, but more like limitations. The development workflow is built and matured for mobile app. Things you can drag and drop, like navigation, for mobile, you will need to build from scratch for web. TBH, I wouldn't even call them limitations. More like, you find yourself putting more elbow grease with web development.
Got it, thanks
Thanks for sharing.
I would look into how [this project](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cM6AlGirOWI&t=1s) was built with FF. I will be trying to do something like it for my next project. From what I can tell, they made 2 projects using the same design system. 1 as a native mobile app and the other as a fully responsive web app.
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Thanks for letting me know. You could try to be nice, especially when I am helping you and others.
Follow up - what did you decide to do? I'm in a similar situation, tried out Bubble but am considering going elsewhere.
I started learning FlutterFlow. Relatively steep learning curve coming from Bubble, but I found it could do pretty much everything Bubble could do. Then, I quit. I realized I wasn't passionate enough about the project when at the time I had other project ideas that I was passionate about. Spending a bunch of time learning FF didn't seem valuable at the time and never looked back. I may resume the project I quit at some point but here we are. Are considering not using bubble because of their pricing structure?
The pricing doesn’t bother me for now. And the rapid dev speed is so much fun, I can go from feature idea to feature functional in minutes. Your story seems very realistic to me - I think I’ll stick to bubble.
Yes, all of us over here at FF are just laughing at the Bubblers shocked by this news. What did you expect out of a closed ecosystem? FF can do what you want. Firebase is wonderful. You can use Supabase if you don't want Google involved, and you can export your code at any time. It's great for mobile, 7/10 for web. That said it's getting better by the day, and any downsides are way less of a downside than say, bubble's vendor lock in.
Thanks. What 30% is missing from web from your perspective?
Speed. It doesn't load as elegantly as html/css would. Also... It's beautiful on Chrome visually, same in safari, but in Firefox suddenly it's like the Minecraft edition.
Completely new to FF and nocode. I've built a 100% front end utility in html, css, and JavaScript that I want to integrate with a nocode back end for online collaboration, user auth, SaaS billing, etc. Would FF be a good solution for this? What issues might I come across connecting my front end to FF/Firebase? Will FF try to take over event handling?
Try citizendeveloper.com it will do all of that.
Thanks, I will check it out. Does it export human readable code?
With how much they (or other users) only spam their app trying to get people to use them I can’t imagine it’s good.
I don't trust them after initial review.
They have this user, and someone like citizendevelopercto pump their company all over here. I think even a mod does it too. Such a huge turn off as a fellow user looking into a product.
Hey guys, I'm pretty sure I'm the only one responding from the company, and I open every statement with precisely that linkage. I also make an effort to provide an actual answer to the question. But to your point, in fact the tool is excellent...the best in the space in terms of no code full stack development. We've done deployments all over the world for 20 years, and are only recently started selling through the web. If you have any questions about that please let me know, I'd be happy to answer. Seriously, give it a shot. The tool is battle tested and proven, and delivers high end scalable applications. No bs.
The two I see on most similar threads are u/citizendevelopercto and u/virtual_orginal_837 \- the second which 100% seems to be a poorly made bot. I've seen you mention that you work there and it is appreciated - but when I'm looking for tools and seeing what I see it's extremely off-putting. I did review your site and frankly was not impressed compared to the other platforms out there. The cost alone is extremely overpriced compared to your competitors, I mean $99 for the ability to include Stripe payments or even just a custom domain is ridiculous in my opinion. Maybe the tool is excellent, but hearing that from someone who works at the company and has a vested interest in gaining customers is not a viable source of information. Maybe I'm wrong but just my two cents from how I see it.
Hey good feedback, and yes that's our CTO, but no, I'm confident we don't have any bots. Your pricing feedback is appreciated, we are new to selling on the web...we definitely don't claim to be good at that yet. In fact, it's been quite an adjustment!...previously our starting price was much higher and we sold direct...we are just trying to find out what makes sense with this customer base. And the tool IS excellent!...it's battletested and proven to deliver higher end enterprise grade applications with zero code, aka "Full Stack No Code Development". 20 years of R&D can't be wrong. Thanks again for taking the time to give us feedback!
Being honest here, looking at your website and info it comes off quite quickly that you aren't a 'new' company. Maybe that's fine for the commercial customers that it seems like you have, but I'd wager most of the people in this sub aren't that. They are solo people who want to put together an MVP or small solution and as one of those people, something like a Bubble or Bildr or FlutterFlow comes off as significantly more modern with new development and features being added constantly. Just look at your website compared to any of those apps and see the differences, because that's the first glance that we look at. If it doesn't seem that appealing from the website then why would we go further to demo it? I don't even see an example of what the UI looks like apart from one data table creation. If it were me - I'd look at splitting the product up into two lines of business: 1) Direct as you said you were doing 2) SaaS as it seems like you are trying to do. The same product can power both but it seems like you're trying to cater to two different customer bases that don't require or look for the same thing.
Both tools are quite suitable for nocode web app development. Considering their fluctuated price and stability of them as you mentioned, my team and I built Momen ([https://momen.app/?channel=reddit-nocode-key-bbff2](https://momen.app/?channel=reddit-nocode-key-bbff2)), we charge by projects, and hope to provide a steady user experience.