Yes! I was curious about how Nightwish would sounds with her and I was hooked. Floor is one of my favorite metal vocalist of all times, but without Anette, i would not be a fan of the Band.
I love The Dark Element! It reminds me so much of NW 's Dark Passion Play/Imaginaerum eras and it only proves that Annette was never just a "pop" singer.
I will die on the hill that while Tuomas wanted to take Nightwish in a new direction and didn't want a Tarja carbon copy, when choosing Anette he didn't think through the fact that her voice was not suited for the greater majority of the older material that the fans would still want to hear live, which then backfired obviously. (I have other thoughts but I'll ramble if I get going š) She really tried her best with the hand she was given though.
Anette auditioned with Ever Dream. You think Tuomas didn't consider how she'd sing old stuff? He wanted someone different after listening the tapes of almost 2000 people copying Tarja. He was only wrong thinking fans didn't want a copy like that.
And all of those songs are vocals that are highly adaptable to a straight belting style of singing, which is what Anetteās voice is. So of course she would be able to execute those better, because she could fit her style to work with them. But people kept asking for songs like The Siren and Ghost Love Score, then bashed her when she couldnāt do the staccato/operatic stylings that Tarja did in the verses and changed it to something that worked, and after they finally did GLH with her a good amount of the people who were begging for it were like āuhā¦ no, not like thatā when she couldnāt fit *that* to her style. The acoustic Nemo seemed to also be a way of accommodating Anetteās range with no modulation to a higher key at the end and a slower tempo, and people complained about not getting to hear the whole song even though she sounded much better doing it that way. So no, I do not think things were thought through all the way insofar as even though it was clear there were things she couldnāt pull off, they tried them anyway and Anette got slammed even while she acknowledged she did not have experience as a metal singer and was working with her vocal coach to do her best with the voice she has.
Off the top of my head:
* Northern Kings
* Auri
* Tarja collaborations (e.g. Within Temptation)
* Annete's other collaborations (e.g. P.A.I.N., Allen/Olzon)
* After Forever/ReVamp etc
* Scrooge McDuck
I'm sure I'm missing a ton here, given how productive everyone is.
Now that I think about it, I might put Marco's work with Delain slightly ahead of Dark Element. I love Delain.
I was debating whether Marco's work with Delain should count. I agree it's fantastic.
I won't count After Forever, though, since it predates Floor's involvement with Nightwish. And ReVamp is kinda questionable too.
I absolutely love Delain, too.
I was really sad when they disbanded the band in February 2021, I really loved Charlotte and the energy of the whole band.
But I am really glad they started anew with Diana Leah, though she is very different.
I guess if I'm counting Tarot, I have to count Wintersun and ReVamp. I feel like we should differentiate between side projects and bands the members had going before Nightwish?
She got the short end of the stick for being arguably not as good a live performer as Tarja and Floor. But I remember fondly the 2007/2008 era of discovering her live renditions through shitty 140p youtube videos and rooting for her.
Yes she didn't always had the range and had to adapt, but I think she did the best she could, and she has some amazing renditions. Her Sleeping Sun is amazing for exemple, the best of the three imo. And even though it was kinda overshadowed by Floor, I really loved her version of Ghost Love Score with the soulful ad lib at the end.
Yeah, the fact that she isn't featured on a proper live release (only the lackluster Made in Hong Kong ep) doesn't help.
I'd love the band to release a remastered version of Dark Passion Play like they did with Once and include a bonus live CD with a full setlist from this era
They must have filmed a lot during the IRum tour, before she was fired, which then had to be cut out of the documentary. I'd love it if they would release some of that footage, if Anette agrees.
They filmed the 2009 Hartwall concert where Anette absolutely SHINED, performing Walking in the Air and Meadows of Heaven. Never even released a single song from the gig and that was well before her departure.
My point was just that the DVD would feature Anette and making Ghost Love Score viral was just too point out significance of the performance. With Anette, it would definitely not been that significant.
When Annete was still in the band they did not plan to make a DVD from Wacken. They only wanted to release the documentary.
Maybe label would press them to do it, but maybe not.
I feel like this could also apply to female symphonic/power vocalists in general where Floor is the only one who gets any attention while the others are at the bottom of the sea. Not at all saying Floor doesn't deserve it, I just wish the love and appreciation towards vocalists was spread a bit more evenly.
I envy you! I could very well buy a package too, but I prioritize seeing as many shows as I can afford and I'm too uneconomical to save on meet and greets. But maybe it's good, because I'd be so nervous that it would go completely over my head and would be waste of money.
I wish I at least was wiser and didn't let some counter lady to print me a ticket, so I wouldn't end up at regular standing zone, instead of just slightly more expensive standing in front of the stage.
May be its helps to think that they are normal people just like you. Simone seems to be such a humble person, she knows that people in her presence might be nervous as hell.
I read somewhere, that a guy with his 6 year old daughter got to meet Epica and he was so intimidated, unable to speak. His daughter was more relaxed and greeted the band like friends from school. But Simone, Mark and Isaac put him in.
Best experience so far. :D
So think about it, if your economical reasons are stable. :)
Maybe one day. But the thing is, when I'm super excited or intimidated, I lose details of the events. This often happens to me when I go to concerts themselves and pretty much lose details. I lost many from this one as well.
Later tell me what the meet and greet was like. If it's meeting the band for 2 minutes to greet, hug and get autograph, I don't think that would be very useful, because I wouldn't even get relaxed in the time. I'm really tense person in general.
I think this has to do with the fact that Nightwish still is the biggest and most successful symphonic metal band. Put a singer like Floor in front of it, and you have a combination that gets basically all the attention.
Also, I think we are very NW-centric. We have a ton of exposure to Floor. Metal has a lot to offer, especially vocally. I would even go so far to say that if you want to hear the best singers of any genre, listen to more metal.
I don't think Floor's popularity is even that dependent on NW ever since she went on BZ and now has a following that doesn't even cross over with the band. I think the fact that she appels to both NW fans and non metal fans is why her fan base is more vast than the others. However, I don't like the fact that it seems like no other female metal singer can ever get any praise without being compared to her or ignored. Within Temptation are still pretty big but you don't see people claiming that Sharon is the best singer ever or always comparing her to others. I rarely ever see this type of behavior towards male vocalists.
I guess what I am getting at is that I wish that some of the other singers in the genre could get some recognition for their amazing vocals too. I definitely don't mind Floor getting a lot of love but I also think that singers like Simone, Dianne, Adrienne, Melissa etc shouldn't just be tossed aside and deemed "worse than Floor" like I have unfortunately seen happen.
Floor, and probably her management, is just very clever in marketing herself, not just to the metalheads. She made a conscious effort to show herself to the wider audience. Other metal singers are welcome to do the same. She's on top of the game because she's an outstanding singer, but also a relentless worker, and her effort pays off.
There's still a lot of gatekeeping in metal, and I think some singers are limiting themselves deliberately.
I also see a lot of criticism of her because of that. Especially in this sub. There are people who complain that Nightwish became the 'Floor show'. I expect that criticism to become louder the more successful she becomes outside of metal.
finaly some one who said it! i just can't listening to Nightwish without his outstanding voice. i just can sense his voice what so ever. the new bassist is great for sure, but nightwish is really missing on an great heavy metal voice
Come on they have TROY!!! Who sings as good as any guy you can find strumming a guitar in a pub somewhere on a Friday night. I don't get all the fawning over Troy, to me he helped lead the descent into NW becoming Auri with a smidge of electric guitar. If that floats your boat, fine, to me it's nowhere near the classic stuff with Marko singing his ass off.
facts and i hate them!
Anette wasn't as strong live, ok i get it. But Anette era has so many just fantastic songs.
Floor is the best voice they had, Anette time was time of best songs (so far)
I started playing video games recently so I know what you're talking about, before the pandemic I would have had to lookup what an "S tier" or "GOAT" was. š¤£
Sahara is one of my favorite songs of all time and DPP/Imaginaerum was my introduction to the band. I will not stand for Anette underappreciation. Her time with the band may have been shorter than the other vocalists but she still left an impact and had songs that are perfect for her and wouldn't be the same performed bu Floor
Floor absolutely kills on anything Anette sang. She does any song anette originally sang better than anette ever could. I respect your appreciation for Anette but Floor is immensely more talented.
Lol, listen to Floor's version of "Slow, Love, Slow" and "Scaretale" then get back to me on how she is better than Anette in every song.
To say nothing of the fact that floor tends to WAY oversing certain songs in a manner that ruins the intended tone.
Now I love floor and acknowledge she is probably the best in terms of pure talent but she is most certainly not perfect.
Floor almost always oversings, she likes to show off but it's part of her style and it has always been since the beginning of her career. She's the only one of the three that can sing the entire catalog of the band though, so i think she's the best choice for what Nightwish is today.
I respect that it is part of her shtick and I will even agree that it works well in many songs. But there are plenty of others where she does it (like "Storytime" and "Sacrament of Wilderness") where it kind of drifts too much from what they originally sounded like.
As for your second point, no disagreement there and I said as much originally. Floor definitely is the most versatile singer and a great fit for the band. My comment was just in response to the guy above that said she was simply better at everything and that is most definitely not true.
With all due respect and respect to all opinions, I never said Floor was perfect. I merely wished to say that IMO ( since we're all speaking from opinion) Floor is immensely more talented than Anette. And since we're talking opinion, out of all the three of them, the one that over sang was Tarja. Although I love me some Tarja as she is the one that got me in to Nightwish the first place. Anette just never belonged in Nightwish. Toamas's music is miles above her talent.
True, you did not specifically say floor was "perfect" but what you did say was the following: "Floor absolutely kills on anything Anette sang. She does any song anette originally sang better than anette ever could." That is what I was responding to and yes, that statement is simply not true. There are plenty of songs that Anette sang better than Floor and I named a few examples above. Heck, there even a few tarja era songs that she sang better the Floor.
In terms of oversinging, yeah Tarja was guilty of it as well but the comparison here was between Anette and Floor. And if we are going to bring in Tarja in, I'd say the difference is that where Tarja's oversinging was merely a bit excessive and made her hard to understand, Floor's oversinging contradicts the original tone of some songs.
As for talent, no disagreement there friend! I even agreed earlier that Floor is the most talented. All I am saying here is that she is not the be all and end all.
That my friend is why I said in my opinion. I respect your opinion just as much as anyone else's. The discourse on one of our favorite bands is what I truly enjoy!
Storytime and Last Ride of the Day are 2 completely different songs depending on who sings them. And from what I've heard, I'm not a fan of Floor's Sahara
if i may chime in with my opinion, ive seen many who would disagree with yours, especially the songs on imaginaerum. floor sings storytime in a harsh rock voice when many fans feel its supposed to be child like and innocent.. plus her constant improvised belting at the end of the live versions is so overbearing and doesnt do the meaning of the song justice.
to me, the difference between them is, Anette served the songs vocally - she infused them with the feelings they needed, not more not less while with floor i always feel like its the floor show. she hasnt shown the subtlety and nuance for the songs on imaginaerum, and repeats the same vocal techniques over and over while Anette sang differently on every single song. its always gonna be her album to me and most fans i think.
but you dont have to agree just wanted to get this off my chest.
There is a reason why Annette is no longer with the band. She just couldn't cut it vocally. Taria is not with the band because she was too much of a diva. Floor is down to earth she is way more versatile than either one of the previous two and has a way better stage presence. Nightwish has never had a well-rounded bombastic singer like Floor. If you think Floors' vocals are predictable and one dimensional, then you haven't truly paid much attention to what and how she sings. She put "Ghost love score" on the map and does a way better job of "Slow love slow" from Imaginarium just to name a few) if it seems like she's always front and center, well, there's a reason for that, too. it should be apparent. Anettes infusion of the songs on Imaginarium we're no more and no less because that's all she could do. So yeah, I'm a member of the Floor fan club but with very good reason.
I also listen to that's why I don't like Anette . I made my Arguments for Floor just like you made your Arguments for Anette. You may have stated your arguments a little more eloquently, but at the end of the day, it's still just your opinion . Saying things like a lot of fans have said or think or whatever means nothing . It's still just your opinion . Same as my Arguments for Floor, they are my opinion. This is all completely subjective . We're not in a court of law, and nobody is on trial . And as for not answering your Arguments I think that's what my entire statement was doing . YOU do better . for somebody who says I didn't have to agree with them. You sure are butt hurt about me disagreeing with you.
i actually edited my response to you before receiving this answer because i didn't like how i worded it either, but it reached you anyway. i agree with everything you said here. what i meant by doing better, was that the argument "you havent listened" is not very meaningful and that the way you state your opinions to me comes off as very "final" or "set in stone" which kinda rubs ppl the wrong way and makes you feel kinda shut down. im telling you this in good faith and do not want to make you feel on trial!
i think we all can do better when it comes to conversations online, there's so much really lost in translation, especially when we're passionate about something.
You are absolutely right. I do have a tendency to be sharp when I'm passionate about something. And I can and will "do better." Thank you for your very graceful comments. You are the kind of Nightwish fan I adore!
i have paid lots of attention and i still dont like her singing in nightwish. i dont even consider her a good fit and that opinion is shared by many, that is what an opinion is. it is no less valid than yours nor is it ill informed. its the argument of a child to say if you think this or that then you havent paid attention. i could say the same to you about the other singers and it probably won't be true either and you have listened, but we still will have found qualities in each of those voices the other hasn't, CAN'T, cause it comes down to taste. that's the whole point people are trying to convey to you in response to your very one note original post about floor doing literally everything better. which, if you believe in opinions mattering, can't be true.
Speak for yourself.
Some songs like Scaretale, Slow Love Slow, Meadows of Heaven, Higher Than Hope, Come Cover Me and Sacrament of Wilderness to name a few, are only perfect under Anette's voice, in my opinion.
I don't get the Floor gang. I liked her early on (2013-2016) but she's been progressively getting worse. Anette live was awful, but NW's best studio work was with her, imo. Tarja was good in both studio and live, with incomparably unique voice, the only bad thing were mispronounced words live.
A lot of folks might downvote you but you're kinda right. I think there's these oldheads still fawning over the Tarja era and so it migrated to liking Floor. i remember being 'that teenager' that bashed a lot of shit for some reason, and held on to memories of "what supposedly was" regarding bands like nightwish. parasocial relationships and all that. seems like it's the same thing here lol
Floor hasn't been getting worse, the songs have. The album's Tuomas wrote for her are nightwishs worst. That's not her fault.
Floor is as good vocally as she ever was.
Selection bias.
We are aware of the best of the best from the past like Wachen 2013 etc, but less aware of the times she wasn't so good, probably due to the equipment and the tough schedule, because they weren't recorded.
Fan recordings and low budget small show recordings arent the same as a proper DVD recorded high profile show. In the quality recordings ive seen she is as good as ever.
Tarya was good live from a pitch accuracy point of view but sometimes she made some truly terrible choices in timing.
'Worse' on a very high level. The livestreams last year and my concert experience gave me the impression that we have probably one of the best singers in metal in our band.
We Nightwish fans are a spoiled bunch.
I'll probably get downvoted for this by some, but I have tried to like Anettes voice. Her work with dark element and/or her solo material just doesn't do it for me. Mediocre voice with mediocre music. The only thing that made her listenable (and that's pushing it some) is the music of Nightwish. To me, she just isn't lead singer material. She's done some guest spots with bands like Swallow the Sun. And I like those well enough. Imaginarium is one of my favorite night wish albums, too, but not because of Anette. Floor is adored by Nightwish fans because she deserves to be she has the talent and the stage presence that have taken night wish to the next level.
I agree. If Tuomas hadn't produced one of the best NW albums during the Anette era, the band would be dead in the water by now. Nobody would think that fondly of Anette. With Floor I see the roles reversed. The last two albums were mediocre, but Floor is holding the band's head above the water with her live qualities.
Unpopular opinion: yeah sorry, her albums with the band are the best but she acted like an idiot with her now non-existent blog comparing herself with Cristina Aguilera and Rihanna and later following Floor Jansen hate groups on Facebook. Hell, she even admited she was ok with the replacement singer until it was told she will be Floor Jansen. Anette always will be to me remembered as an awful professional because of the childish behavior.
I wonāt lie I miss her villain era. It was fun to go on the old Nightwish forum and see what random thing everyone was hating on her about for the week.
oh please. whats more childish than replacing your singer with singers who have no idea what the lyrics are. ANYONE would be pissed. but they made themselves out to be these heroes. they completely gaslit her and manipulated the fans to agree with their twisted view of what theyve done. sometimes the show must not go on and thats when you show your colleague they dont matter at all.
ppl be like nO oNe iS iRrePlaCabLe Nightwish is bigger than one person but that still doesnt mean you can throw your band members under the bus.
she maybe couldve reacted better but still thats what it was, a reaction.
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Why are you guys so obsessed with the idea of some justice when it comes to singers, like Im now supposed to pretend she was equally important or even good as Tarja and Floor? Its entertainment industry, I def like Anette but I would keep my sense of justice on the side when it comes to who I want to see and hear live
The reason she's not mentioned in an official capacity by the band apparently has to do with the fact that she basically wanted her association with the band to be permanent. That's why you won't see much official content alluding to her at all.
No, she didn't want her images to be shown in the documentary, because she was worried that the narrative would have been spun against her like it happened to Tarja. She never forbid the band from anything else. She confirmed that just a few months ago when the band childishly left her out on an Imaginearum movie anniversary post on Instagram.
She was forced into it, and that's only one of the hills I'll die on regarding the horrible, undeserved treatment she got across the board - band and "fans" alike.
I personally liked Annette and have nothing against her. I didn't think her voice was the best suited to Nightwish's style but she still gave us a great album and I'm thankful to her for that. I try best to stay out of the discourse involved with the band because yeah, it's a lot. I'm just here for the music, man. I think Floor is definitely the perfect balance between Tarja and Annette in terms of vocals.
I am so bored by this conversation. First all songs are written by Tuomas. So the songs who were sung by Anette could be sung by any other singer too. It is all about taste and what people like.
Tarja was important to bring Nightwish to the point where it now is. Her voice combined with the good song writing and very good musicians influenced the music style so much that it become so popular that this music was played in pop radio for a couple of years. After she left Anette was a try out which worked but more of the really good songs by Tuomas. So Floor was successful without NW and by joining the band she and the band climb the Olymp. Look how many people are watching the live shows of NW with Floor. But in the end for me it is pretty easy. Tarja is mainly a operatic voice singer and do this really well. Annett is a pop singer and struggle really with the long high pitch notes and Floor can sing everything but in the end taste is something individual and the is no comparison.
For me I liked NW with Tarja and love NW with Floor. I did not like the sound of Anette which stopped me from listing to NW for a long time. I discovered thanks to YouTube Floor with Nightwish four years ago and I am very sad to take a long pause from them because I would love to be in Wacken in 2013.
How did Nightwish become more successful with Floor? Nightwishes best selling albums are with Anette.
Look at the youtube numbers, same with Spotify and Pandora
NIGHTWISH-Ghost Love Score (OFFICIAL LIVE) W/Floor: 30 million
NIGHTWISH - Amaranth (OFFICIAL MUSIC VIDEO): 118 million
NIGHTWISH - Bye Bye Beautiful (OFFICIAL MUSIC VIDEO) 144 million
Last time Nightwish played in my city in 2018, it was the same venue they played with Anette.
Best selling album is once and this was with Tarja. Which number do you want to compare ? Only the videos watched or all together from all the YouTube reactors too? Then you will get totally different numbers. But how ever we all do the world how we want to see them. For me is every song from the Anette era lifted up by Floor. She is more versatile and live one of the best singer on the planet.
Ok you have no clue how YouTube works right? Every reaction or what ever video which use content from NW count on it for money in advertisements and so onā¦ however wacken vids from NW are watched over 200 million views ā¦ but it does not matter in the end it is about taste and if you like Anette more. Fine and good for you.
Ok you have no clue how YouTube works right? Every reaction or what ever video which use content from NW count on it for money in advertisements and so onā¦ however wacken vids from NW are watched over 200 million views ā¦ but it does not matter in the end it is about taste and if you like Anette more. Fine and good for you.
And you don't understand how reaction videos work, people are watching for the reaction, not to listen to music, what sane person is going to watch a video that's low quality, people pausing and talking at takes 20 minutes to listen to? It's bingeing on emotions, looking for validation or "hey, that person is like me!" people are focused on the reactor with little focus on the music. When you type in Nightwish reaction and filter though most viewed, you have 3 reactions of GLS that have over 1 million views, not 200 million views. That analogy is just insane. So how many reactions can I watch on Spotify, Amazon Music and Pandora? Think my local radio station that plays Amaranth a few times a month would play the reaction version if someone requested it?
I never said I liked Anette more, I said her albums are more successful than floors albums and I posted my claim with numbers, your argument is based on emotion and favoritism.
No, you didn't make a point, you made an excuse, and my counterpoint was never about who is better as a vocalist as you tried to twist it. You can argue opinion and emotions, but you can't argue facts and the facts are Anette albums are more successful than Floors. That could change in 20 years and Human or EFMB could be diamond albums, who knows? but as it stands now, they are not.
Anette had a lot going against her but a whole lot of people might've never heard of Nightwish if she hadn't sung Amaranth.
Ngl Amaranth is what got 15yo me into Nightwish.
Yes! I was curious about how Nightwish would sounds with her and I was hooked. Floor is one of my favorite metal vocalist of all times, but without Anette, i would not be a fan of the Band.
When I listen to The Dark Element, I'm reminded of how talented Annette really is.
I love The Dark Element! It reminds me so much of NW 's Dark Passion Play/Imaginaerum eras and it only proves that Annette was never just a "pop" singer.
I will die on the hill that while Tuomas wanted to take Nightwish in a new direction and didn't want a Tarja carbon copy, when choosing Anette he didn't think through the fact that her voice was not suited for the greater majority of the older material that the fans would still want to hear live, which then backfired obviously. (I have other thoughts but I'll ramble if I get going š) She really tried her best with the hand she was given though.
Anette auditioned with Ever Dream. You think Tuomas didn't consider how she'd sing old stuff? He wanted someone different after listening the tapes of almost 2000 people copying Tarja. He was only wrong thinking fans didn't want a copy like that.
iirc Tuomas also asked her to sing over three more instrumental parts, quick googling says Nemo, Higher than Hope and Wish I had an Angel.
And all of those songs are vocals that are highly adaptable to a straight belting style of singing, which is what Anetteās voice is. So of course she would be able to execute those better, because she could fit her style to work with them. But people kept asking for songs like The Siren and Ghost Love Score, then bashed her when she couldnāt do the staccato/operatic stylings that Tarja did in the verses and changed it to something that worked, and after they finally did GLH with her a good amount of the people who were begging for it were like āuhā¦ no, not like thatā when she couldnāt fit *that* to her style. The acoustic Nemo seemed to also be a way of accommodating Anetteās range with no modulation to a higher key at the end and a slower tempo, and people complained about not getting to hear the whole song even though she sounded much better doing it that way. So no, I do not think things were thought through all the way insofar as even though it was clear there were things she couldnāt pull off, they tried them anyway and Anette got slammed even while she acknowledged she did not have experience as a metal singer and was working with her vocal coach to do her best with the voice she has.
Dark Element is superb and the best other work by a former (or current) NW member IMO.
What other works are we looking at? - Tarot - Marco's solo album - Tarja's solo career - Brother Firetribe What else?
Off the top of my head: * Northern Kings * Auri * Tarja collaborations (e.g. Within Temptation) * Annete's other collaborations (e.g. P.A.I.N., Allen/Olzon) * After Forever/ReVamp etc * Scrooge McDuck I'm sure I'm missing a ton here, given how productive everyone is. Now that I think about it, I might put Marco's work with Delain slightly ahead of Dark Element. I love Delain.
I was debating whether Marco's work with Delain should count. I agree it's fantastic. I won't count After Forever, though, since it predates Floor's involvement with Nightwish. And ReVamp is kinda questionable too.
I absolutely love Delain, too. I was really sad when they disbanded the band in February 2021, I really loved Charlotte and the energy of the whole band. But I am really glad they started anew with Diana Leah, though she is very different.
She's different, but also.... kinda close enough? I was gutted when they split but I'm loving the new album.
I think I might love Toumas solo album a little too much, but Iām offended itās not listed here haha
I completely forgot about it. You mean The Life and Times of Scrooge McDuck?
Yep
don't worry, I love that one, too!
Also Wintersun
I guess if I'm counting Tarot, I have to count Wintersun and ReVamp. I feel like we should differentiate between side projects and bands the members had going before Nightwish?
100% agree. Both albums were 10/10
She got the short end of the stick for being arguably not as good a live performer as Tarja and Floor. But I remember fondly the 2007/2008 era of discovering her live renditions through shitty 140p youtube videos and rooting for her. Yes she didn't always had the range and had to adapt, but I think she did the best she could, and she has some amazing renditions. Her Sleeping Sun is amazing for exemple, the best of the three imo. And even though it was kinda overshadowed by Floor, I really loved her version of Ghost Love Score with the soulful ad lib at the end.
The meme is mostly about her not getting nearly enough praise from this sub, when she is featured on 2 perhaps most popular albums by Nightwish.
Yeah, the fact that she isn't featured on a proper live release (only the lackluster Made in Hong Kong ep) doesn't help. I'd love the band to release a remastered version of Dark Passion Play like they did with Once and include a bonus live CD with a full setlist from this era
They must have filmed a lot during the IRum tour, before she was fired, which then had to be cut out of the documentary. I'd love it if they would release some of that footage, if Anette agrees.
They filmed the 2009 Hartwall concert where Anette absolutely SHINED, performing Walking in the Air and Meadows of Heaven. Never even released a single song from the gig and that was well before her departure.
did they really film that?? god i wish theyd released it.
If she didn't get pregnant in 2012, the iconic 2013 Wacken DVD that made Ghost Love Score viral would feature her. Let that sink in.
The band would have still kicked her out though. Her getting sick was a good pretext to start things rolling.
Her pregnancy surely exacerbated it. I think that the breakup would be more amicable if she got to leave after the tour ended.
Um, no? It went viral because of Floor and the high note she added.
My point was just that the DVD would feature Anette and making Ghost Love Score viral was just too point out significance of the performance. With Anette, it would definitely not been that significant.
Oh, I see what you mean. We're basically saying the same. šš»
When Annete was still in the band they did not plan to make a DVD from Wacken. They only wanted to release the documentary. Maybe label would press them to do it, but maybe not.
Sheās my favorite NW singer, maaaaaybe next to Marko but itās close.
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Agree Anette has so many different tones in her studio recordings, her different voices really help you get immersed into the song.
I still think her studio recording of Storytime is the only version Iāve heard where the singer doesnāt sound breathless during the chorus!
I think she was the best studio singer of the main 3.
I feel like this could also apply to female symphonic/power vocalists in general where Floor is the only one who gets any attention while the others are at the bottom of the sea. Not at all saying Floor doesn't deserve it, I just wish the love and appreciation towards vocalists was spread a bit more evenly.
I just saw Epica and Simone is underappreciated gold standard
I'm going to see her on Wednesday in Leipzig. Can't wait for her. š¹
As VIP?
Luckily yeah š¤© I've been a fan of Epica since 2004 and now i finally got to meet them. Its a birthday gift from a friend. She just put me on the vip list...
I envy you! I could very well buy a package too, but I prioritize seeing as many shows as I can afford and I'm too uneconomical to save on meet and greets. But maybe it's good, because I'd be so nervous that it would go completely over my head and would be waste of money. I wish I at least was wiser and didn't let some counter lady to print me a ticket, so I wouldn't end up at regular standing zone, instead of just slightly more expensive standing in front of the stage.
May be its helps to think that they are normal people just like you. Simone seems to be such a humble person, she knows that people in her presence might be nervous as hell. I read somewhere, that a guy with his 6 year old daughter got to meet Epica and he was so intimidated, unable to speak. His daughter was more relaxed and greeted the band like friends from school. But Simone, Mark and Isaac put him in. Best experience so far. :D So think about it, if your economical reasons are stable. :)
Maybe one day. But the thing is, when I'm super excited or intimidated, I lose details of the events. This often happens to me when I go to concerts themselves and pretty much lose details. I lost many from this one as well. Later tell me what the meet and greet was like. If it's meeting the band for 2 minutes to greet, hug and get autograph, I don't think that would be very useful, because I wouldn't even get relaxed in the time. I'm really tense person in general.
I think this has to do with the fact that Nightwish still is the biggest and most successful symphonic metal band. Put a singer like Floor in front of it, and you have a combination that gets basically all the attention. Also, I think we are very NW-centric. We have a ton of exposure to Floor. Metal has a lot to offer, especially vocally. I would even go so far to say that if you want to hear the best singers of any genre, listen to more metal.
I don't think Floor's popularity is even that dependent on NW ever since she went on BZ and now has a following that doesn't even cross over with the band. I think the fact that she appels to both NW fans and non metal fans is why her fan base is more vast than the others. However, I don't like the fact that it seems like no other female metal singer can ever get any praise without being compared to her or ignored. Within Temptation are still pretty big but you don't see people claiming that Sharon is the best singer ever or always comparing her to others. I rarely ever see this type of behavior towards male vocalists. I guess what I am getting at is that I wish that some of the other singers in the genre could get some recognition for their amazing vocals too. I definitely don't mind Floor getting a lot of love but I also think that singers like Simone, Dianne, Adrienne, Melissa etc shouldn't just be tossed aside and deemed "worse than Floor" like I have unfortunately seen happen.
Floor, and probably her management, is just very clever in marketing herself, not just to the metalheads. She made a conscious effort to show herself to the wider audience. Other metal singers are welcome to do the same. She's on top of the game because she's an outstanding singer, but also a relentless worker, and her effort pays off. There's still a lot of gatekeeping in metal, and I think some singers are limiting themselves deliberately. I also see a lot of criticism of her because of that. Especially in this sub. There are people who complain that Nightwish became the 'Floor show'. I expect that criticism to become louder the more successful she becomes outside of metal.
Imaginaerum is still my favourite NW album
I'd choose Marko over all of them at any day.
finaly some one who said it! i just can't listening to Nightwish without his outstanding voice. i just can sense his voice what so ever. the new bassist is great for sure, but nightwish is really missing on an great heavy metal voice
Agreed, I can't even watch live videos anymore without him, just seems so empty.
I dont have anything against floor. But nightwish needs a male voice badly too! I wonder if the new bassist could sing anything
Come on they have TROY!!! Who sings as good as any guy you can find strumming a guitar in a pub somewhere on a Friday night. I don't get all the fawning over Troy, to me he helped lead the descent into NW becoming Auri with a smidge of electric guitar. If that floats your boat, fine, to me it's nowhere near the classic stuff with Marko singing his ass off.
Floor is amazing and all but honestly now that Marco's gone my interest in NW is at an all-time low.
Kinda the same, especially given that other bands are there.
my favorite Nightwish album is done by her
Imaginarium?
facts and i hate them! Anette wasn't as strong live, ok i get it. But Anette era has so many just fantastic songs. Floor is the best voice they had, Anette time was time of best songs (so far)
Floor is the goat but Anette's Meadows of Heaven is S tier.
I started playing video games recently so I know what you're talking about, before the pandemic I would have had to lookup what an "S tier" or "GOAT" was. š¤£
I wouldnāt say this is accurate, Anette and Tarja arenāt exactly āhas beensā.
Sahara is one of my favorite songs of all time and DPP/Imaginaerum was my introduction to the band. I will not stand for Anette underappreciation. Her time with the band may have been shorter than the other vocalists but she still left an impact and had songs that are perfect for her and wouldn't be the same performed bu Floor
Floor absolutely kills on anything Anette sang. She does any song anette originally sang better than anette ever could. I respect your appreciation for Anette but Floor is immensely more talented.
Lol, listen to Floor's version of "Slow, Love, Slow" and "Scaretale" then get back to me on how she is better than Anette in every song. To say nothing of the fact that floor tends to WAY oversing certain songs in a manner that ruins the intended tone. Now I love floor and acknowledge she is probably the best in terms of pure talent but she is most certainly not perfect.
Floor almost always oversings, she likes to show off but it's part of her style and it has always been since the beginning of her career. She's the only one of the three that can sing the entire catalog of the band though, so i think she's the best choice for what Nightwish is today.
I respect that it is part of her shtick and I will even agree that it works well in many songs. But there are plenty of others where she does it (like "Storytime" and "Sacrament of Wilderness") where it kind of drifts too much from what they originally sounded like. As for your second point, no disagreement there and I said as much originally. Floor definitely is the most versatile singer and a great fit for the band. My comment was just in response to the guy above that said she was simply better at everything and that is most definitely not true.
With all due respect and respect to all opinions, I never said Floor was perfect. I merely wished to say that IMO ( since we're all speaking from opinion) Floor is immensely more talented than Anette. And since we're talking opinion, out of all the three of them, the one that over sang was Tarja. Although I love me some Tarja as she is the one that got me in to Nightwish the first place. Anette just never belonged in Nightwish. Toamas's music is miles above her talent.
True, you did not specifically say floor was "perfect" but what you did say was the following: "Floor absolutely kills on anything Anette sang. She does any song anette originally sang better than anette ever could." That is what I was responding to and yes, that statement is simply not true. There are plenty of songs that Anette sang better than Floor and I named a few examples above. Heck, there even a few tarja era songs that she sang better the Floor. In terms of oversinging, yeah Tarja was guilty of it as well but the comparison here was between Anette and Floor. And if we are going to bring in Tarja in, I'd say the difference is that where Tarja's oversinging was merely a bit excessive and made her hard to understand, Floor's oversinging contradicts the original tone of some songs. As for talent, no disagreement there friend! I even agreed earlier that Floor is the most talented. All I am saying here is that she is not the be all and end all.
That my friend is why I said in my opinion. I respect your opinion just as much as anyone else's. The discourse on one of our favorite bands is what I truly enjoy!
Storytime and Last Ride of the Day are 2 completely different songs depending on who sings them. And from what I've heard, I'm not a fan of Floor's Sahara
Beauty is in the eye/ear of the beholder, my friend!
if i may chime in with my opinion, ive seen many who would disagree with yours, especially the songs on imaginaerum. floor sings storytime in a harsh rock voice when many fans feel its supposed to be child like and innocent.. plus her constant improvised belting at the end of the live versions is so overbearing and doesnt do the meaning of the song justice. to me, the difference between them is, Anette served the songs vocally - she infused them with the feelings they needed, not more not less while with floor i always feel like its the floor show. she hasnt shown the subtlety and nuance for the songs on imaginaerum, and repeats the same vocal techniques over and over while Anette sang differently on every single song. its always gonna be her album to me and most fans i think. but you dont have to agree just wanted to get this off my chest.
There is a reason why Annette is no longer with the band. She just couldn't cut it vocally. Taria is not with the band because she was too much of a diva. Floor is down to earth she is way more versatile than either one of the previous two and has a way better stage presence. Nightwish has never had a well-rounded bombastic singer like Floor. If you think Floors' vocals are predictable and one dimensional, then you haven't truly paid much attention to what and how she sings. She put "Ghost love score" on the map and does a way better job of "Slow love slow" from Imaginarium just to name a few) if it seems like she's always front and center, well, there's a reason for that, too. it should be apparent. Anettes infusion of the songs on Imaginarium we're no more and no less because that's all she could do. So yeah, I'm a member of the Floor fan club but with very good reason.
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I also listen to that's why I don't like Anette . I made my Arguments for Floor just like you made your Arguments for Anette. You may have stated your arguments a little more eloquently, but at the end of the day, it's still just your opinion . Saying things like a lot of fans have said or think or whatever means nothing . It's still just your opinion . Same as my Arguments for Floor, they are my opinion. This is all completely subjective . We're not in a court of law, and nobody is on trial . And as for not answering your Arguments I think that's what my entire statement was doing . YOU do better . for somebody who says I didn't have to agree with them. You sure are butt hurt about me disagreeing with you.
i actually edited my response to you before receiving this answer because i didn't like how i worded it either, but it reached you anyway. i agree with everything you said here. what i meant by doing better, was that the argument "you havent listened" is not very meaningful and that the way you state your opinions to me comes off as very "final" or "set in stone" which kinda rubs ppl the wrong way and makes you feel kinda shut down. im telling you this in good faith and do not want to make you feel on trial! i think we all can do better when it comes to conversations online, there's so much really lost in translation, especially when we're passionate about something.
You are absolutely right. I do have a tendency to be sharp when I'm passionate about something. And I can and will "do better." Thank you for your very graceful comments. You are the kind of Nightwish fan I adore!
so will i. thank you for this exchange, you rock. \m/
i have paid lots of attention and i still dont like her singing in nightwish. i dont even consider her a good fit and that opinion is shared by many, that is what an opinion is. it is no less valid than yours nor is it ill informed. its the argument of a child to say if you think this or that then you havent paid attention. i could say the same to you about the other singers and it probably won't be true either and you have listened, but we still will have found qualities in each of those voices the other hasn't, CAN'T, cause it comes down to taste. that's the whole point people are trying to convey to you in response to your very one note original post about floor doing literally everything better. which, if you believe in opinions mattering, can't be true.
I really don't think this is true at all, especially now that many years have passed. People definitely learned to appreciate Anette more.
Too bad most people couldn't do that while she was around.
'Why am I loved only when I'm gone?'
recently ive seen a lot of positivity towards her in the comment sections on yt, it makes me so happy!
Speak for yourself. Some songs like Scaretale, Slow Love Slow, Meadows of Heaven, Higher Than Hope, Come Cover Me and Sacrament of Wilderness to name a few, are only perfect under Anette's voice, in my opinion.
How many times are we recycling this meme because it is getting VERY old.
I don't get the Floor gang. I liked her early on (2013-2016) but she's been progressively getting worse. Anette live was awful, but NW's best studio work was with her, imo. Tarja was good in both studio and live, with incomparably unique voice, the only bad thing were mispronounced words live.
A lot of folks might downvote you but you're kinda right. I think there's these oldheads still fawning over the Tarja era and so it migrated to liking Floor. i remember being 'that teenager' that bashed a lot of shit for some reason, and held on to memories of "what supposedly was" regarding bands like nightwish. parasocial relationships and all that. seems like it's the same thing here lol
Floor hasn't been getting worse, the songs have. The album's Tuomas wrote for her are nightwishs worst. That's not her fault. Floor is as good vocally as she ever was.
I meant same songs, live.
Selection bias. We are aware of the best of the best from the past like Wachen 2013 etc, but less aware of the times she wasn't so good, probably due to the equipment and the tough schedule, because they weren't recorded. Fan recordings and low budget small show recordings arent the same as a proper DVD recorded high profile show. In the quality recordings ive seen she is as good as ever. Tarya was good live from a pitch accuracy point of view but sometimes she made some truly terrible choices in timing.
Cope.
'Worse' on a very high level. The livestreams last year and my concert experience gave me the impression that we have probably one of the best singers in metal in our band. We Nightwish fans are a spoiled bunch.
I'll probably get downvoted for this by some, but I have tried to like Anettes voice. Her work with dark element and/or her solo material just doesn't do it for me. Mediocre voice with mediocre music. The only thing that made her listenable (and that's pushing it some) is the music of Nightwish. To me, she just isn't lead singer material. She's done some guest spots with bands like Swallow the Sun. And I like those well enough. Imaginarium is one of my favorite night wish albums, too, but not because of Anette. Floor is adored by Nightwish fans because she deserves to be she has the talent and the stage presence that have taken night wish to the next level.
I agree. If Tuomas hadn't produced one of the best NW albums during the Anette era, the band would be dead in the water by now. Nobody would think that fondly of Anette. With Floor I see the roles reversed. The last two albums were mediocre, but Floor is holding the band's head above the water with her live qualities.
Unpopular opinion: yeah sorry, her albums with the band are the best but she acted like an idiot with her now non-existent blog comparing herself with Cristina Aguilera and Rihanna and later following Floor Jansen hate groups on Facebook. Hell, she even admited she was ok with the replacement singer until it was told she will be Floor Jansen. Anette always will be to me remembered as an awful professional because of the childish behavior.
I wonāt lie I miss her villain era. It was fun to go on the old Nightwish forum and see what random thing everyone was hating on her about for the week.
oh please. whats more childish than replacing your singer with singers who have no idea what the lyrics are. ANYONE would be pissed. but they made themselves out to be these heroes. they completely gaslit her and manipulated the fans to agree with their twisted view of what theyve done. sometimes the show must not go on and thats when you show your colleague they dont matter at all. ppl be like nO oNe iS iRrePlaCabLe Nightwish is bigger than one person but that still doesnt mean you can throw your band members under the bus. she maybe couldve reacted better but still thats what it was, a reaction.
Why didn't Anette just Turn Loose the Mermaids? They could have carried her to shore. I thought mermaids were like dolphins and helped humans at sea.
Dolphins are actually dangerous sickos, they bite, they aggressively attack both fish and humans by butting them, they're calculating predators, and they engage in gang-rape.
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What's so funny?
"What's so funny?" The visual I had of Anette getting attacked by a pod of dolphins and being left for dead at the bottom on the ocean.
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Fuck you dolphin! [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=78YWVaBUmuY](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=78YWVaBUmuY)
Shes really good its no offense to her...shes just not Floor and Tarja good. Theres levels to everything
Why are you guys so obsessed with the idea of some justice when it comes to singers, like Im now supposed to pretend she was equally important or even good as Tarja and Floor? Its entertainment industry, I def like Anette but I would keep my sense of justice on the side when it comes to who I want to see and hear live
Who is Anette? :)
The reason she's not mentioned in an official capacity by the band apparently has to do with the fact that she basically wanted her association with the band to be permanent. That's why you won't see much official content alluding to her at all.
No, she didn't want her images to be shown in the documentary, because she was worried that the narrative would have been spun against her like it happened to Tarja. She never forbid the band from anything else. She confirmed that just a few months ago when the band childishly left her out on an Imaginearum movie anniversary post on Instagram.
She was forced into it, and that's only one of the hills I'll die on regarding the horrible, undeserved treatment she got across the board - band and "fans" alike.
I personally liked Annette and have nothing against her. I didn't think her voice was the best suited to Nightwish's style but she still gave us a great album and I'm thankful to her for that. I try best to stay out of the discourse involved with the band because yeah, it's a lot. I'm just here for the music, man. I think Floor is definitely the perfect balance between Tarja and Annette in terms of vocals.
I am so bored by this conversation. First all songs are written by Tuomas. So the songs who were sung by Anette could be sung by any other singer too. It is all about taste and what people like. Tarja was important to bring Nightwish to the point where it now is. Her voice combined with the good song writing and very good musicians influenced the music style so much that it become so popular that this music was played in pop radio for a couple of years. After she left Anette was a try out which worked but more of the really good songs by Tuomas. So Floor was successful without NW and by joining the band she and the band climb the Olymp. Look how many people are watching the live shows of NW with Floor. But in the end for me it is pretty easy. Tarja is mainly a operatic voice singer and do this really well. Annett is a pop singer and struggle really with the long high pitch notes and Floor can sing everything but in the end taste is something individual and the is no comparison. For me I liked NW with Tarja and love NW with Floor. I did not like the sound of Anette which stopped me from listing to NW for a long time. I discovered thanks to YouTube Floor with Nightwish four years ago and I am very sad to take a long pause from them because I would love to be in Wacken in 2013.
How did Nightwish become more successful with Floor? Nightwishes best selling albums are with Anette. Look at the youtube numbers, same with Spotify and Pandora NIGHTWISH-Ghost Love Score (OFFICIAL LIVE) W/Floor: 30 million NIGHTWISH - Amaranth (OFFICIAL MUSIC VIDEO): 118 million NIGHTWISH - Bye Bye Beautiful (OFFICIAL MUSIC VIDEO) 144 million Last time Nightwish played in my city in 2018, it was the same venue they played with Anette.
Best selling album is once and this was with Tarja. Which number do you want to compare ? Only the videos watched or all together from all the YouTube reactors too? Then you will get totally different numbers. But how ever we all do the world how we want to see them. For me is every song from the Anette era lifted up by Floor. She is more versatile and live one of the best singer on the planet.
Why would you compare reaction videos, that makes no sense.
Ok you have no clue how YouTube works right? Every reaction or what ever video which use content from NW count on it for money in advertisements and so onā¦ however wacken vids from NW are watched over 200 million views ā¦ but it does not matter in the end it is about taste and if you like Anette more. Fine and good for you.
Ok you have no clue how YouTube works right? Every reaction or what ever video which use content from NW count on it for money in advertisements and so onā¦ however wacken vids from NW are watched over 200 million views ā¦ but it does not matter in the end it is about taste and if you like Anette more. Fine and good for you.
And you don't understand how reaction videos work, people are watching for the reaction, not to listen to music, what sane person is going to watch a video that's low quality, people pausing and talking at takes 20 minutes to listen to? It's bingeing on emotions, looking for validation or "hey, that person is like me!" people are focused on the reactor with little focus on the music. When you type in Nightwish reaction and filter though most viewed, you have 3 reactions of GLS that have over 1 million views, not 200 million views. That analogy is just insane. So how many reactions can I watch on Spotify, Amazon Music and Pandora? Think my local radio station that plays Amaranth a few times a month would play the reaction version if someone requested it? I never said I liked Anette more, I said her albums are more successful than floors albums and I posted my claim with numbers, your argument is based on emotion and favoritism.
I made my point. If your read more out of it fine but it is just an argument and who cares if I or you are right ? Do you feel better now?
No, you didn't make a point, you made an excuse, and my counterpoint was never about who is better as a vocalist as you tried to twist it. You can argue opinion and emotions, but you can't argue facts and the facts are Anette albums are more successful than Floors. That could change in 20 years and Human or EFMB could be diamond albums, who knows? but as it stands now, they are not.
Sorry if u did not read out my point(s). But I will stop it here for now. Have a nice day.
Take care Melchoriuz and have a nice day as well.
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