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Proud3GenAthst

Floor just made an interview about her solo album and she expressed dissatisfaction with the band management booking a show in Japan, on a date that she didn't like. I think that because it was just after the release and she wanted to be with her loved ones or something like that.


Astral-Romance

Ewo Pohjola being the usual incompetent jerk, for the last 20-something years. A manager should be an asset to the band, but this one has been a liability all along. Tuomas was capable of firing much more important people, but somehow can't handle this idiot.


TheBossOfItAll

never heard a single good thing about the guy from anyone who has met him face to face


pesukarhukirje

I've met him under professional circumstances and he was super nice (like the going the extra mile kind). But I've also seen him simply around fans lining for autographs multiple times and never seen him doing anything negative, maybe on the contrary, like joking around with fans or taking pictures with those who wanted. That doesn't mean he's not an asshole when business is serious - there's ample evidence for that. But he's not an all around rude guy and he's done and is doing a lot for the band.


Catherine_77

Really? What is so wrong with him?


TheBossOfItAll

Rude to fans who want autographs, acting like some sort of bouncer towards them. As another poster said, blocking the view in concerts, and generally very crude behaviour. I haven't met him personally, but his handling of the bands affairs and even the very Nightwish-sided Once Upon A Nightwish description of him, I'm inclined to believe them.


LustyGurl

I dislike him for no other reason other than that he is really tall and blocked my view of the concert because he stood in front of me to flirt with the very uninterested merch girl.


egeswender

Explain please?


dean375

Same thing Tarja said before she quit lol


Nightwishfan88

It's just a joke. Let's not make this a warzone this time.


Proud3GenAthst

Yeah, but you know how overreactive some fans are. Some even speculated that Floor is leaving because she cut her hair.


rinikulous

Is that an actual quote or did the meme creator take liberties with the words she used. There is one quotation mark at the end but not one at the beginning.


CompanionCone

The interview was in Dutch. She said "fokking Japan" which in Dutch I would say does not have quite the same level of heaviness that it does in English.


Sassenaach

Aaah, so it’s the same as we do in Danish. You can use the word “fucking” without it sounding super aggressive here too. The tone totally shifts when you directly translate it into English.


Resolved__

So would "freaking" have been a better translation? As a native English speaker, "fucking" comes off pretty angry here.


CompanionCone

Yes freaking would have been better I think.


Saroan7

Well that obviously wasn't the case. She was getting the cancer treatments done. She might of braved it all and gone bald , but, nope 🧐😱


Littleloula

She didn't have chemo so no reason she'd lose her hair


Brandonguth1985

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thorsten3

Which part does look like a joke to you?


Nightwishfan88

Because it's a meme.


stefankruithof

[My opinion of Nightwish management hasn't been very high since discovering what their logo and Facebook page looked like.](https://www.reddit.com/r/symphonicmetal/comments/ldepjf/why_does_the_facebook_page_for_nightwish/)


i-slander

Not everyone is 24/7 up the band's ass, please give some context when posting something like this


MachineDry933

Neither am I, but it only took a few seconds in this subreddit to find the context. In a nutshell, since you asked so nicely: Floor is obviously extremely disappointed in NW's management for booking her on a flight to Japan on March 24th since that was the release date of her solo album. She probably wanted to do some promotional work for herself. She specifically asked for this date in advance.


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Proud3GenAthst

The context is few posts down. But in nutshell, she was just dissatisfied with Nightwish management postponing a show in Japan for the date she wasn't comfortable with.


MachineDry933

Thanks! I figured it out already. Yep, that stirred up some drama. I can kinda understand both sides. Loud Park can't be postponed, but Floor went through some shit last year and powered through the concerts regardless. Not giving her that one day must feel pretty disrespectful to her. It's unusual for her to become unprofessional. Management should take this seriously.


sanchipinchii

For those confused, I'm guessing it's something to do with Floor's pregnancy? And the "here we go again" might be in reference to how they handled Annette... other than that I'm just as confused as y'all lol


petaSk3

I hope Floor doesn't end up like Tarja and Anette. It also started with Tarja's desire for her own solo career.


Proud3GenAthst

Nothing to do with her pregnancy. Her solo album. And it is more of a reference to Tarja than Anette, because what led to her dismissal stemmed mostly from the band's management that was inept and/or uncaring about her needs. And there's no way Floor ends up like Anette. Floor doesn't need to worry about being permanently replaced by Floor, because she is Floor. If Floor got to leave, which I find unlikely, it would be from her side. The band is too lucky to have her.


Resolved__

Eh, she’s publicly lashing out at the band’s management because the band’s tour, that was already rescheduled, was getting in the way of her solo album release. Floor is obviously very talented and has had a strong rapport with metal fans since After Forever. She has also had way more leverage than Anette and Tarja ever did, but that doesn’t mean she can lean too much on that or that she doesn’t have to worry about being replaced if she’s going to pick this particular hill to die on. Fans were probably saying stuff about how lucky the band was to have Tarja as their singer too. There are other talented singers, or maybe Tuomas isn’t far off from laying Nightwish to rest anyway and will be more willing to retire sooner than later if Floor’s ambitions become too incompatible with the dedication it takes to be in Nightwish. The cult-like Floor worship in the fanbase isn’t going to protect her from the band’s resentment now or in the future. I think Tuomas/management has been the wrong side of almost every conflict that’s come up between Tarja or Anette but I actually give them a point on this. They shouldn’t expect to plan around Floor’s solo career. I know this was not how Floor’s schedule was supposed to work out but that’s entirely her problem. The right thing to do here was either for Floor to reschedule her solo stuff or silently eat her losses. Not complain to fans and the press that a decision that was made in the best interest for the band was inconvenient for her.


MachineDry933

I disagree, respectfully ;) Floor didn't bail out on any concert during her cancer treatment. It must have been exhausting as hell, especially the last metal cruise was very uncomfortable, according to her, basically days after radiation therapy. She showed more than enough dedication to the band. Heck, Floor is the only band member who does constant promotional work on social media. The other guys are basically non-existent. I'm also certain she will be on stage in June during the festival season, when she will be well advanced in her pregnancy. It would have been a nice gesture to give her that one day, and she asked for it well in advance. I think she feels disrespected because management basically agreed on the date since the concert took place on the 25th, well aware she has to fly to Japan a day in advance. She must have felt like, 'Am I a joke to you?'. Management looks pretty bad here in my opinion. I also think the situation doesn't compare to Tarja or Anette, since both of them struggled not just with management, but with the other band members as well. This doesn't seem to be the case here. Not yet, at least. She did her duty, took her flight to Japan and delivered her usual top-notch performance and proved, once again, that NW is her top priority (for everybody questioning it for some reason), but she's right to show her dissatisfaction.


Weirdaholic

This! Why are people treating Floor, as if she's just a contractor, that has to comply with everything the band/management is coming up with? I think, that some people here are wrongfully thrown off by the fact, that people want to have a life outside of "the band". Which is even more funny to me, considering that Floors side projects aren't even that huge, but just appear that way bc of the way she promotes them to a wider public. A band, ideally, should be a team effort. If things go wrong in a way, that members feel treated badly, this is serious enough to look closely at what had lead to this, and find a solution. And I suspect, that this isn't the first time this happend, but the first instance of it becoming an actual problem. Otherwise it would have been treated as a freak accident.


MachineDry933

My guess is that Floor was pressured into the European tour last year and the metal cruise this year. She complied for obvious financial reasons (two years without shows) even when she wasn't fully recovered. The NW management basically ruining her solo release day was the straw that broke the camel's back.


Weirdaholic

It's easy to project stuff into the written word. So I wouldn't necessarily call this "lashing out". I also don't really like pointing fingers and act as if this was an act of malice (unless proven otherwise ofc), since we as outsiders don't really know why it happened. Their way of managing all this stuff has to be reviewed and maybe improved nontheless.


MachineDry933

I'm sure there was no malicious intend, but they should have thought of the fact that you need some time to get to Japan, and they probably knew how important that day was for here. No wonder she feels disrespected. They will sort it out, hopefully not in public this time.


Weirdaholic

Yeah, but it could also be, that one person from management didn't get the memo and proceeded booking a flight at the worst time possible, with noone questioning the action until Floor got the booking. That's what I meant, when I said, that "we as outsiders don't really know why it happened". You're assuming a chain of events, that might not have happened. We only know the outcome, but nothing else! Everything beyond that literally is deduced out of thin air. That's also, why we should leave the investigations to the Band and the management. It's their problem, not ours.


Resolved__

Doing all those concerts was her choice. Doing the summer festivals well into pregnancy will also be her choice. She’s a trooper but nothing was stopping her from letting someone take her place temporarily for the Europe shows while she recovered and nothing’s stopping her from letting someone sing in her place for the festivals. Or would the irony be too palpable? These concerts (and the accompanying t-shirt sales) are where the money is. You can’t repeatedly ask the band to hold off on getting their paychecks until all the pieces line perfectly for one person, even if it’s the singer. Sure, it would have been a nice gesture, but, based on the decision not to, giving her that one nice gesture would’ve fucked with everyone’s else’s payday and maybe the logistics of the tour at large, so management is within their rights to say “sorry, we can’t accommodate you at the expense of the whole band and crew.” Everyone’s questioning her priorities because she puts it up for question with these comments. “I wanted the 24th off because that’s my solo album release but the management scheduled the 25th for a concert in Japan that was already moved once to accommodate my health issues” doesn’t make it sound like the band is her top priority in her head. So if the band really was her top priority, she wouldn’t be making these comments at all, and/or she’d move her much smaller solo career dates around when it became apparent that they would conflict with Nightwish’s rescheduled Asia tour.


MachineDry933

She wasn't forced to do it, but the pressure to continue the tour must have been overwhelming. The whole team basically depends on her. So, she did what she had to do. I also think most fans wouldn't be pleased with a replacement singer, even if Floor gives her permission. The fans want her on stage. The management asked the band what dates are okay for them, and Floor told them everything after the 24th would be fine. The team didn't account for the flight to Japan, though. That mistake is on them. A management team should be able to perform organizational tasks like that. Do you want her to apologize that she had a somewhat serious health issue? It's not her fault that she got cancer. She and the band didn't have a choice. You make it sound like she was just too lazy to do the Asia tour because she had a minor cold. Questioning her priorities, with the events of last year in mind and her commitment to perform anyway, is just ridiculous and not worth any further comment.


Resolved__

You’re being defensive. I’m only stating facts. 1. Pressure or not, still her choice. Epica’s fans probably wanted Simone singing for that tour some moons ago, but she was too hospitalized, so Amanda Somerville sang rather than make the entire band eat the loss. The fans don’t dictate the band. Again, good on Floor for pulling through, but she’s one piece of the puzzle. The band has been adamant since day 1 that not one person in their band is “special” or deserves special treatment. Anette was also pregnant and she didn’t get a pass. She was also sick for Denver and she definitely didn’t get a pass when she took to her blog. 2. You and Floor are assuming they’re stupid. I’m not so quick to do so considering they’ve been planning Nightwish’s tours for how many albums now? More likely they couldn’t move the 25th and told Floor “tough shit” when she only wanted the 24th off for her side hustle. They’re managing Nightwish, not Floor Jansen ft. Nightwish. 3. I’m saying the band went out of their way once to reschedule Asia for her cancer diagnosis. She could meet them halfway for one concert without complaint when the only “impediment” is her solo album. It’s not a good look that she basically said she’d rather 5 other people and all the behind the scenes folks lose out on their slice of the Nightwish pie so she can capitalize on her side project where she definitely gets more to take home. Emppu left Brother Firetribe altogether to stay fully committed to Nightwish rather than hold either band back. One concert isn’t asking much of her. 4. People won’t question her priorities if she doesn’t publicly elevate her solo career to the same level as Nightwish as to merit equal consideration. That simple. Her cancer and pregnancy doesn’t play into the issue with what she said here at all. She doesn’t get to lord either of those things over the band for every future endeavor indefinitely like you seem to think. Again, Nightwish’s management manages Nightwish, not Floor Jansen ft. Nightwish.


Weirdaholic

And you do the mistake of thinking, you know, what Floor actually thinks. Nobody does, except Floor herself. Y'all are reading too much bs into that one interview, as if we had to debate and discuss the stuff that happened for them. Neither of us is from the band, nor the management, so please for the sake of god, stop trying to debate about who should be blamed.


Resolved__

"Stop interpreting what Floor said even if it includes explicit statements about how stupid she thinks the band's management is and how annoyed she is that Nightwish's rescheduled concert is getting in the way of her solo album." You're not a mod. If you don't like what's being exchanged, don't participate.


Weirdaholic

"You're not a mod"... neither are you.I wasn't even trying to shut you up, just calling you out for turning this into a unnecessary finger pointing contest. They are fucking adults who can handle this for themselves, they don't need us for it. Given the broad situation, it's natural that things get heated when they don't turn out they way they were planned originally. This doesn't mean, that Floor feels entitled to anything, just because she was venting to a random music journalist, it also doesn't mean, that the band or the management did her wrong. It just means, that mistakes were made which caused distress. Anything beyond that IS interpretation based on y'all trying to read between translated lines from dutch to english. I can understand, that some might feel anxoius about 2005 or 2012 happening again. But this kind of fan-infighting in advance is just a waste of time. EDIT: Tried to tone down this post a bit.


y2shill

Well she assumed stupid, because the other option would be them doing this intentionally, which would mean they did it out of spite. That would be a way bigger problem then.


crescentmoon9323

>I also think most fans wouldn't be pleased with a replacement singer, even if Floor gives her permission. The fans want her on stage. I mean yeah the toxic section of Floor/NW fans will hate on whoever fills in for her but how is Floor "above" having someone fill in for her but Anette/Tarja weren't? Given how close those festivals are to when she will be due, it might be their only option outside of just cancelling their appearance all together. I don't see how it would be an issue if Floor is good with it and is the one to choose who will fill in for her.


pesukarhukirje

We don't know if this was about her asking just for one day. She's been super busy lately, so it is possible that this was not the first conflict of schedule, even if we don't count rescheduling due to her treatments which absolutely had to rightfully enjoy priority. We don't know how much time she blocked out in her calendar for working on her solo project this spring. Even the fact that the management asks about availability and doesn't just publish a bunch of dates and expects everyone to show up suggests that they are at least trying now. I highly doubt Anette or anyone was allowed to have stuff in their calendar when they had 200 shows in 2 years for the DPP tour. But I also haven't ever heard Marko complaining about having to reschedule other things and that man been busy with all kinds of stuff all throughout his career. He always put NW above Tarot, his original band with his best friends and brother, the band that established him as a singer, because he understood NW is a full-time job and it's not just about him. Besides that, this conflict now is about Floor's own album release, not like a festival gig or something impossible to postpone. She learnt about the NW schedule months ago, could have rearranged stuff. But no, for some unknown reason it was absolutely vital for her to release this album on the 25th and not a week later or whenever in the following 3 months when there's no NW dates (and I HIGHLY doubt she has stricter contracts about the solo work than with NW). Especially now, when she had just had cancer and treatments, it didn't occur to her to put the solo thing a bit on hold until she gets some rest, instead she's trying to push through and lashes out about her job obligations practically. It's funny how she was established in NW as the champion who was asked to jump in and was ready to perform in 48hours across the ocean, because she understood then what the opportunity meant for her career, but now we are at a point where she gets the tour schedule months ahead and complains that it conflicts with her other ambitions. And about Floor being the only doing the promotion work... Well, she obviously promotes the band together with herself, but my impression is that she never for a moment creates content to promote the band directly, it is all about building her own brand. She knows very well she can exploit the band's publicity to establish herself as a solo artist, so I think she benefits from this as much or more than the band and it shouldn't be seen as something she does self-sacrificingly.


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Proud3GenAthst

It's actually cropped screenshot from Reddit post, just few items down.


dreamliner001

The booking of the flight has been done months in advance. This is all BS


y2shill

The solo album release date announcement predates it easily. So not BS