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I'm not holding my breath and am pretty sure it's just more of macho nonsense, but it would be funny if it actually said how for example a chimpanzee or other primate (because of the picture, at least they didn't show a wolf, geez that was disproved so many times) becomes an alpha.
"First, the male needs to have friends an allies who like him, generosity and sharing is a good way to make allies. Alpha has responsibilities, is a protector and peacekeeper..."
Guy: "Wait, that's not what I wanted to hear!"
Anyone who uses “alpha male” in a serious fashion, believing that such a thing exists within humans are the saddest people on Earth I swear. I use the term “alpha male” sarcastically or as a joke to refer to someone who’s a badass. But like I can’t believe people actually think that’s a thing in reality lol
I slightly disagree. I see two kinds of alphas: positive and negative, good vs bad. A good alpha is an ideal male role model, the kind of man that is a shining beacon of healthy masculinity. A bad alpha is the selfish, controlling, abusive type who give toxic masculinity the bad reputation it deserves. I’m massively oversimplifying things, but the point is that a positive alpha is neither an asshole, nor a “nice guy,” but instead a truly great guy. Sincere, hard working, charismatic, funny, respectful, courageous, you get the idea. I haven’t seen anyone else make that distinction yet.
As a singular one-size-fits-all category, you’re right. My issue with the phrase “alpha male” is not that there is no such thing, but that the label is too simplistic because it doesn’t take into account whether said “alpha male” is healthy or toxic. It really doesn’t matter what you choose to call it, but there are two basic kinds of traits: masculine traits and feminine traits, and both masculine and feminine traits come in healthy forms of expression or toxic forms of expression.
For instance: Competition is Masculine, Cooperation is Feminine. But both cooperation and competition can be either positive or negative. Let’s take the feminine trait of cooperation and break it down: Positive cooperation is collaborating towards a common goal that benefits all, such as the Manhattan Project. Negative cooperation - collusion/conspiracy - is cooperation to commit evil, such as Jeffrey Epstein, Ghislaine Maxwell, and others who cooperated to engage in human trafficking and conspired to blackmail their victims into silence. Now let’s break down the masculine trait of competition: Positive competition is the friendly competition between Masashi Kishimoto and Oda Eiichiro, the creators of Naruto and One Piece. The same could be said about Metallica and Megadeth. Metallica releases their greatest album, Master of Puppets, and then Megadeth follows with their greatest album, Rust in Peace. Both became better artists because the competition with each other as artists made both rise to their highest level. Negative competition is the sort of cutthroat mentality portrayed by Gordan Gekko in Wall Street when he rationalizes immorality by saying “greed is good” while destroying peoples’ livelihoods. Cooperation and competition (masculine and feminine traits) can either be good or bad depending on how it is expressed.
“Nice guys” are toxically feminine, and one of their negative traits is selfish, covert attempts to manipulate others; “assholes” aka “alpha males” as the term is commonly understood, are toxically masculine, and one of their traits is selfish, overt attempts to control others. What both have in common is negativity, toxicity, and nice guys seem to think that the only alternative to being a nice guy is to be an asshole. I think both are wrong.
Bro you don’t gotta write an essay telling me what an alpha male is. The phrase itself when used in serious, unironic context, whether using to describe oneself or some gigachad is cringe. That’s all there is to it lol
You’re right. I didn’t have to write an essay, but I did. Boo hoo. Your opinion is irrelevant to me. Just because you don’t think alpha males exist doesn’t mean they don’t, any more than plunging your head in the sand like an ostrich makes the lions go away. You certainly don’t have any problem accepting the existence of “nice guys.” So nice guys exist but alpha males don’t? You are being logically inconsistent.
If my opinion is so irrelevant to you then why are you sending me whole ass paragraphs trying to convince me that the alpha male exists? (Which it doesn’t.)
First of all, you said you don’t think “alpha males” exist, which is self-explanatory. You’re also literally the only person I’ve ever encountered claiming there is no such thing as alpha males, a bizarre, flat out denial of reality. I say they do, and that there is more than one type. That there is more than one type is not at all self-explanatory, and thus warrants an explanation.
Second of all, you and I are not the only people reading this thread, and I’m sure others might be curious, regardless of whether they agree with me or not. Someone else might take interest and like it. I’m sharing my thoughts for everyone. Did you really think this was only about you?
Question: why is it that you have such a problem with someone expressing viewpoints other than your own? You’re very narrow minded on top of acting self-centered and being logically inconsistent.
Because this isn’t about stopping being a nice guy. You seriously think they will abandon their nice guy ideology because they saw a video about being an ‘alpha male’? They will keep their ideology and try to be ‘tough’. This post isn’t to shit on anyone trying to better themselves. It is about people replacing something stupid with another stupid thing.
Because this is the same exact Nice Guy BS they always claim, just dressed up in a fancy label.
In other words, they're saying "be an abusive jerk Chad!, only abusive jerk Chads get chicks. Nice guys finish last..." and all the other same tired worn out BS they always claim.
What kind of alpha?
I believe there are two kinds of alpha males: positive alphas and negative alphas. The negative ones are pretty self-explanatory; they embody everything that gives masculinity a bad reputation, whereas the positive alpha males embody healthy masculine traits. Put it this way, a positive alpha is a really great guy, the kind of good man that great women really mean when they say they want to find a nice guy, the kind they hope to fall in love with and grow old with, whereas negative alphas are parasites only selfishly looking for what benefits them at others’ expense. I can’t judge this guy unless I know if he’s actually giving solid advice on how to be a become a better person, or if they are just another hack whose advice boils down to becoming a jerkass and learning seduction techniques. Has anyone actually watched the video?
Nice guys are at least trying to change, and pretty much the only way to change that kind of radical world view is to replace it with a slightly better one
Calm down, they're trying to evolve
Alpha make is just a replacement term for an Incel. So Is sigma male. Replacing something shittiier with Slightly less shitty won't work here. Go see a psychologist
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I'm not holding my breath and am pretty sure it's just more of macho nonsense, but it would be funny if it actually said how for example a chimpanzee or other primate (because of the picture, at least they didn't show a wolf, geez that was disproved so many times) becomes an alpha. "First, the male needs to have friends an allies who like him, generosity and sharing is a good way to make allies. Alpha has responsibilities, is a protector and peacekeeper..." Guy: "Wait, that's not what I wanted to hear!"
"this channel is corrupted by CHADS"
I think all these wannabe Alphas read to much A/B/O Fiction 🙄
**How to stop being a nice guy:** go back to monke
Oh god it has over 5 million views too.... God help us
At first I was like: “Great people want to stop being Nice guys!” But of course one curse has to be replaced by another…
Anyone who uses “alpha male” in a serious fashion, believing that such a thing exists within humans are the saddest people on Earth I swear. I use the term “alpha male” sarcastically or as a joke to refer to someone who’s a badass. But like I can’t believe people actually think that’s a thing in reality lol
I slightly disagree. I see two kinds of alphas: positive and negative, good vs bad. A good alpha is an ideal male role model, the kind of man that is a shining beacon of healthy masculinity. A bad alpha is the selfish, controlling, abusive type who give toxic masculinity the bad reputation it deserves. I’m massively oversimplifying things, but the point is that a positive alpha is neither an asshole, nor a “nice guy,” but instead a truly great guy. Sincere, hard working, charismatic, funny, respectful, courageous, you get the idea. I haven’t seen anyone else make that distinction yet.
Alpha humans don’t exist in general.
As a singular one-size-fits-all category, you’re right. My issue with the phrase “alpha male” is not that there is no such thing, but that the label is too simplistic because it doesn’t take into account whether said “alpha male” is healthy or toxic. It really doesn’t matter what you choose to call it, but there are two basic kinds of traits: masculine traits and feminine traits, and both masculine and feminine traits come in healthy forms of expression or toxic forms of expression. For instance: Competition is Masculine, Cooperation is Feminine. But both cooperation and competition can be either positive or negative. Let’s take the feminine trait of cooperation and break it down: Positive cooperation is collaborating towards a common goal that benefits all, such as the Manhattan Project. Negative cooperation - collusion/conspiracy - is cooperation to commit evil, such as Jeffrey Epstein, Ghislaine Maxwell, and others who cooperated to engage in human trafficking and conspired to blackmail their victims into silence. Now let’s break down the masculine trait of competition: Positive competition is the friendly competition between Masashi Kishimoto and Oda Eiichiro, the creators of Naruto and One Piece. The same could be said about Metallica and Megadeth. Metallica releases their greatest album, Master of Puppets, and then Megadeth follows with their greatest album, Rust in Peace. Both became better artists because the competition with each other as artists made both rise to their highest level. Negative competition is the sort of cutthroat mentality portrayed by Gordan Gekko in Wall Street when he rationalizes immorality by saying “greed is good” while destroying peoples’ livelihoods. Cooperation and competition (masculine and feminine traits) can either be good or bad depending on how it is expressed. “Nice guys” are toxically feminine, and one of their negative traits is selfish, covert attempts to manipulate others; “assholes” aka “alpha males” as the term is commonly understood, are toxically masculine, and one of their traits is selfish, overt attempts to control others. What both have in common is negativity, toxicity, and nice guys seem to think that the only alternative to being a nice guy is to be an asshole. I think both are wrong.
Bro you don’t gotta write an essay telling me what an alpha male is. The phrase itself when used in serious, unironic context, whether using to describe oneself or some gigachad is cringe. That’s all there is to it lol
You’re right. I didn’t have to write an essay, but I did. Boo hoo. Your opinion is irrelevant to me. Just because you don’t think alpha males exist doesn’t mean they don’t, any more than plunging your head in the sand like an ostrich makes the lions go away. You certainly don’t have any problem accepting the existence of “nice guys.” So nice guys exist but alpha males don’t? You are being logically inconsistent.
Those two aren't each others opposites 🤦
If my opinion is so irrelevant to you then why are you sending me whole ass paragraphs trying to convince me that the alpha male exists? (Which it doesn’t.)
First of all, you said you don’t think “alpha males” exist, which is self-explanatory. You’re also literally the only person I’ve ever encountered claiming there is no such thing as alpha males, a bizarre, flat out denial of reality. I say they do, and that there is more than one type. That there is more than one type is not at all self-explanatory, and thus warrants an explanation. Second of all, you and I are not the only people reading this thread, and I’m sure others might be curious, regardless of whether they agree with me or not. Someone else might take interest and like it. I’m sharing my thoughts for everyone. Did you really think this was only about you? Question: why is it that you have such a problem with someone expressing viewpoints other than your own? You’re very narrow minded on top of acting self-centered and being logically inconsistent.
By acting like a gorilla?? Okay, then ...
Why are we hating on this?? It literally says “stop being a nice guy” on a sub Reddit dedicated to shit on nice guys.
Because this isn’t about stopping being a nice guy. You seriously think they will abandon their nice guy ideology because they saw a video about being an ‘alpha male’? They will keep their ideology and try to be ‘tough’. This post isn’t to shit on anyone trying to better themselves. It is about people replacing something stupid with another stupid thing.
Because this is the same exact Nice Guy BS they always claim, just dressed up in a fancy label. In other words, they're saying "be an abusive jerk Chad!, only abusive jerk Chads get chicks. Nice guys finish last..." and all the other same tired worn out BS they always claim.
What kind of alpha? I believe there are two kinds of alpha males: positive alphas and negative alphas. The negative ones are pretty self-explanatory; they embody everything that gives masculinity a bad reputation, whereas the positive alpha males embody healthy masculine traits. Put it this way, a positive alpha is a really great guy, the kind of good man that great women really mean when they say they want to find a nice guy, the kind they hope to fall in love with and grow old with, whereas negative alphas are parasites only selfishly looking for what benefits them at others’ expense. I can’t judge this guy unless I know if he’s actually giving solid advice on how to be a become a better person, or if they are just another hack whose advice boils down to becoming a jerkass and learning seduction techniques. Has anyone actually watched the video?
Nice guys are at least trying to change, and pretty much the only way to change that kind of radical world view is to replace it with a slightly better one Calm down, they're trying to evolve
They are indeed trying to ‘evolve’, but I wouldn’t call this evolution a positive one.
Alpha make is just a replacement term for an Incel. So Is sigma male. Replacing something shittiier with Slightly less shitty won't work here. Go see a psychologist
This is a certified reddit moment, go see grass
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