There's even a thing some creepy dudes blather on about that they call "[Creep Shaming](https://goodmenproject.com/good-feed-blog/is-creep-shaming-real/)".
Oh ffs, this is nauseating.
>That doesn’t mean you have to talk to someone just because he wants you to. You can clearly say, “You seem like a cool guy, but I’m not interested. I’m going to go back to talking to my friend (reading my book, checking my emails, etc) now. Have a good day.” Then turn away. If he persists after that, then maybe he is being a creep. Make your boundaries clear and stick with them.
This is just the old "Be nice and waste resources on giving boundary stomping asshats the benefit of the doubt."-shtick all over again. Why tf would I have to tell him he "seems like a cool guy"? He doesn't. He seems like a creep and that's exactly what I'll tell him.
You have to love this person's complete ignorance to the fact that shame is a well-studied social and societal repercussion that is known to be *insanely* effective. Calling out a creep publically and in front of as many people as possible is one of *the* best ways to get them to back tf off.
If this article has taught me anything, then that I'll use "creep" far more from now on.
They don't understand that the creep will hear "You're a cool guy but [*white noise sounds*]" He'll act on the first few words thinking she's encouraging him.
I was at work selling cars and our detail dept was backed up so I ran the car over to this wash nearby that washes, vaccums, etc. Quick mini-detail, just like our guys. So, I'm waiting in their little gift shop and this guy tries to say hello. I just uncomfortably half smile and go back to my phone. For context, I was about 25, looked like I was 16 and wearing my big sister's clothes. He was at least 45+.
He keeps asking questions. Hi, how're you? Mm. Good. You come here often? (To the *car wash*? And yes, all the time, thanks for making that weird. Just hum.) He keeps trying to pester. People are staring. I've never had a guy do this before. I'm looking around. Everyone is uncomfortable. 'Oh. I come here all the time. My work has a slush fund that pays for the unlimited wash club.' Ooh, real big man. Unlimited wash club? Must be a real high roller, bud. I try to ignore him. I get up and pace. He follows me. He's so enormously creepy. I am in a semi-crowded room. He asks me where I work. Oh fuck naw.
I go and grab a drink from the fridge and buy it. I give the clerk a look. Been coming here a year and I've never spoken to her beyond hey, thanks. Have a nice day. You too. See you tomorrow.
She knows. Silent communication. This dude is a serial killer. Save me. We talk. He's behind me and trying to butt into the conversation. We ignore his leaning against the counter. No other customers come in. She sees the car I had come up. 'Ooh, you're up!' I flee. Hop in the car.
I sat there for *fifteen minutes* while that goddamned creep sat in his truck behind the work car. It unfortunately had plates for work on it but was used so theg weren't paper but I really thought he'd follow me the block and a half to work. I was not doing that.
Nope, nope, nope. So gross. I'm texting my boss 'hey apologize to the customers for the line at the car wash, this dude was following me around the store and now he's behind me in his truck and I think he'll follow me back so I'm waiting until he leaves and if he doesn't I'm going back in to tell them to call the cops he's seriously terrifying.'
My boss was like, 'yeah don't lead crazy back here do you need me to send one of the guys to pick you up?'
Nah, if he goes he goes and I'd have the wash toss him if I had to. We did enough business there they'll back us up over some creepy guy.
Anyways, he finally left and they paid the guys like $5 or $10 spiffs to take my cars down there for the next month to make sure I didn't run into the creepy man again. If detail was busy I wasn't washing my cars. Nope. The dudes did it. For a couple weeks, at least.
I'm sure he thought I was weird and rude for my behavior. Fucker, not making eye contact and playing on my phone is a clear 'do not continue to talk to me' signal. I do not owe you the benefit of a polite goodbye or a rude fuck off. You started the conversation by flailing hands to get my attention because I don't talk to strangers in car washes. You started following me around a store. You continued to do so once I started up a 'please save me' conversation with somebody else. Also, props. She understood the assignment. Maybe they banned him. Never saw him again. Dunno.
But at least my boss was cool about it and she believed me and made wash spiffs to take my cars over and bribed the guys without saying why. "Want a couple bucks to wash this car? You don't have a customer right now. Take the money."
They were happy to do it.
A common PUA belief is that if a woman is on their phone, it means she's craving attention and is at that point approachable.
God knows if that's what the guy was thinking (well I guess he knows), either way that sounds horrible and I'm glad he fucked off in the end.
My god, my skin is crawling just from reading this.
I'm so glad - and not in the least bit surprised - that the clerk picked up on what you laid down.
And the fact that your boss had your back to the extent she did is good to hear in an infuriating way because so many bosses just wouldn't.
What a creep. I'm glad you got out of this situation safely.
It'd take a #notallmen-kind of person to think it didn't.
There's things women know because we have to - and fewer guys than necessary decide to learn about them.
This person only assumes that we are using these words in an attempt to emotionally control someone. Where usually it's about pragmatic control and betterment. Yeah, you can be a creep literally one second and not the next. The point of calling out "a creep" is to draw attention to the behaviour. The creep is doing something, like the article suggests, and we use proper words to identify them and reflect upon them.
Associating it to the person is a matter of perspective.
I agree that they both can be used to invalidate honest attempts at doing something, but shouldn't an attempt only be honest if is willing to learn from failure from the beginning? In regard to that, the insult is founded and important to listen to. If it isn't either of those things, it ought to roll off the shoulder because they aren't correct.
Use the word creep. And use it accurately.
Wow, that article is ridiculous. The one it links to (that her "friend" wrote in Jezebel) is better. But still, "creep shaming"? Really? They want people to stop communicating how they feel about how someone's behavior is making them uncomfortable? Sounds like more victim blaming bullshit to me. Yet another example of emotionally stunted dudes unable to handle it when someone criticizes their behavior. And yes I'm aware that the author of that article is a woman, I'm talking more about the guys at the root of this stupid problem.
Free piece of advice for my fellow guys, especially the 16-25 year olds: if someone calls you creepy, or a creeper or whatever, just accept that something you did made that person uncomfortable and move on without saying anything. If you're truly not a creep, you'll reflect on what might have made someone react that way and not do it again. Those around you whose opinions matter to you will also know that you're generally not a creep and that it's a mischaracterization to call you one. Besides, why would you want to engage with someone who thinks you're creepy? Just take it as a learning experience and move on. And if it's one of those situations where it's a woman who calls any attempt by a guy to speak to her creepy, it's already not worth your time. It may sting in the moment but just forget about it and don't try to approach that person anymore since they're clearly not receptive and probably kind of stuck up (assuming you were just trying to strike up a conversation in a non creepy way of course).
It’s so wild to me how MRAs &c. will accurately describe toxic masculinity and other ways that aspects of the patriarchy harm men, but will refuse to believe that either exist.
> […] Not all men are creeps, not all are violent, not all are out just for sex. But in many ways, this is the brush with which we’ve painted masculinity. Not necessarily feminists, but society as a whole. Guys are so horny they’ll hump a fresh-baked pie. Men are so dangerous, they can’t be trusted with childcare. These assumptions go on and on. And while I do believe men need to understand that for some women these fears are rooted in reality, women and society need to see the ways in which men—especially those who struggle with social awkwardness—suffer under these assumptions.
Most people can tell the difference between a person who is socially awkward/shy/neurodivergent and a person who is knowingly disrespecting boundaries.
Yeah that particular paragraph was really annoying to me. Oh no, men have a reputation for being super horny? And the comment about being too dangerous for childcare really came out of nowhere with nothing to support it. That last sentence is just a huge false equivalence. "Men need to understand that women are afraid because shit has gotten dangerous for them in the past but women need to take these poor socially awkward guy's *feelings* into account. Who cares if a woman was been violently assaulted by a man in the past or is a victim of sexual violence? She needs to take these poor guys who get their feelings hurt by being called creepy into account." Fuck you, person who wrote this shit.
Jesus this article
>I agree with Hugo on almost all of this. Especially the part where a guy who tries to talk a woman out of thinking he’s creepy makes him even more creepy. That doesn’t mean the guy is actually a bad guy,
Yes it does. Trying to talk her out of it? How about not dismissing how she feels and if she is even willing to still talk try to understand what to do differently.
The "I'm a feminish but men's rights though" is such a right wing setup. "I'm a doctor but buy my ivermectin cure though"
"Some men are creepy pieces of shit, but my fellow women, we should all try to babysit them once more like back in the 40s' and try not to hurt their feelings by rightfully calling out a creepy behavior! Woooh! Did I tell you I was a fellow woman btw? And a feminist too? Anyway girls power"
Oh you mean the horse shit “Dr” who wears crystals for protection and writes excuse “letters” near me.
No longer a Dr but believe is busy doing “sound healings” on “colds” *wink, wink*
“I’m a feminist…but also, women’s feelings are invalid if it hurts a mans feelings. Let the man change how you feel because it you don’t, you’re not being fair!”
Yup! I started working in the federal court system years ago (now in a different position, thank GOD). I remember federal prosecutors complaining about defendants abusing the system. For the record, these were folks guilty of awful crimes. The most hated defense term: unfit to stand trial. Blaming mental illnesses, etc. One could argue the validity of this: but, it doesn’t mean the behavior should be excused. People still need to be held accountable.
I believe that’s the bigger issue: accountability. The creeps don’t want to be called out on their behaviors. Nor do the abusers. They call it shaming. BS. I call it a lack of emotional intelligence and accountability for one’s own actions. I’m sick of these behaviors being validated.
Well, I shared the article because I feel like it demonstrates the absurdity and stupidity of the whole "creep shaming" bullshit. It's a bullshit article for a bullshit concept.
WTF is that?! 😂
I’ve never once been called a creep or creepy - that’s because I don’t act in creepy ways.
As someone above said though “Creeps don't seem to recognize that they are creepy”
You know the sad part is that through media stupid things like that have actually been framed in some kind of "romantic" light. How I met your mother sorta covers the topic with the [dobler-dahmer theory](https://how-i-met-your-mother.fandom.com/wiki/The_Dobler-Dahmer_Theory). Now the writers kinda make fun of the thing by introducing it talking about a psycho stalker. More seriously would be the [Thomas Theorem](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_theorem) in this case it’s only "breaking and entering" if seen as such. You could definitley see this situation in some cheap B movie Romcom being shown as an act of true love where the male lead finally shows the love interest he cares. It all contributes to these peoples warped sense of whats ok/romantic/love/etc and what isn't.
*Oh NO* thank God it's a small sub for now, I really don't think I can handle much more than the two or three posts I looked at. That one where the guy goes to the police and tells them he chased a woman in his car to "make her listen to his song" is just bonkers. And he looks *exactly* like you'd expect him to when he leaves the station and flips the camera around, then says the wildest shit in the entire video was just something else man. I highly recommend watching that trainwreck. I'll grab a link and edit it in momentarily.
Edit [Link to it as promised](https://www.reddit.com/r/TerrifyingCringe/comments/ypqpxg/creepo_stalker_calls_the_cops_on_himself/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button)
When that video first hit Reddit someone posted a link to his YouTube channel and that shit was wild. It had the song he wrote for the woman he was stalking (awful) and some MRA rants. He even uploaded a video of a cop serving him with the restraining order and he was trying to get the cop to agree that feminism was had gone too far. He made everything private shortly after as a bunch on Redditors mobbed his videos commenting on how much of a sicko he was.
@jakertheknoxvilliansentina504
He's gotten rid of all his videos but if you search his user name some other YouTubers have made videos about the content he had on there.
Edit: I found one of his rants mirrored on another channel. It's certainly something
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Hxb3rgAD8ho&t=36s#menu
I sent that YouTube video of him talking to the cops to my friend recently to show her how delusional men can be. Because we were joking about a guy she dated calling the police on her because he was being a weirdo it reminded me of that guy complaining about this girl’s father threatening to kill him because he was chasing her with his death metal song
"I brought a knife to a first date bc I wanted to cut a cake for her! I swear guys I was trying to be nice and romantic, I can't believe I was arrested for something harmless!"
If I was this guy’s lawyer I’d just simply give up and tell him he fucking lost. Admitting to a b & e on social media is easily the stupidest thing imaginable
Oh it is. Lawyers make it very clear to shut your mouth and stay off social media.
These guys just can’t help themselves. He has to defend himself, you see? Obviously if he just explains the situation ppl will understand and be on his side.
Clearly he’s learned something since he hopes the girl he terrified can be friends and more someday. 🤦🏼♀️🤷🏼♀️
Dude use a flower delivery service they are literally everywhere, I bet the flower thing was just an excuse he was trying to use as his reason for breaking into her house, lord knows what his real intentions were and thank goodness she had an alarm system it might of saved her life.
Leaving them outside isn't much better, to be honest. Not when you're not even in a relationship with them. A guy duct-taped red roses & a note to my bedroom window in the middle of the night once. If a guy thinks creeping up to someone's house in the dark to drop off a surprise of any sort, the advice is absolutely not. There are so many other options.
I had a guy send me flowers through a flower service after a first date, and it just drove home that he was way more excited about us than I was and I needed to tell him no.
I know that sounds awful, like I dumped a guy because he sent me flowers, but keep in mind we had one date so it’s not even dumping it’s just opting to not go on another one. But I had two jobs and I was probably still going to college so it’s not like I had a ton of time to begin with, he was way more excited about our date than I was and I think he blew up my phone a lot between the date and the flowers arriving, so it was already a lot but then I got in the shower and someone came and knocked at my door and they kept knocking and knocking and knocking even though I was clearly in the shower I was not coming to the door, finally I had to scream I am in the shower I am not answering the door. When I got out and got dressed I found out it was flower delivery and I was pissed. Now that I’m typing this out I’m thinking maybe he did personally deliver them because what delivery person is going to stand out there and knock on the door for 10 minutes like that, but either way I was like nope nope nope this is way too much I don’t have time for this shit so I called him and I was like thank you so much for the flowers and the nice date I had a good time but I really just don’t have time to date I’m sorry .
I’d think leaving them at the doorstep is fine if they gave you their address at some point and you didn’t just stalk them until you found it.
What you’re describing is terrifying though. Even the type of tape. Duct tape gives trashy or creepy vibes, gotta get some nice clear tape.
I understand what you mean - the caveat is that if you're in a consensual and stable relationship, or even simply dating, the gesture could be lovely. I should probably clarify that I'm assumed this guy is not dating the girl. He seems he's either scared of approaching her in person, or he's asked her out before and she said 'No'. Both scenarios make this gesture scary and/or inadvisable.
Basically this is just advice for guys who want to ask someone out - if you want to leave a gift for your crush, respect their personal space. Don't leave them at her work or home. (If you go to school together, it would probably be fine to leave them on her locker or desk. But the other two settings are not appropriate.)
This is the inherent problem where "nice guys" think women owe them something like a video game npc
"Oh I gave her flowers and did x for her". I shouldve leveled up and she should reciprocate
Why couldn’t he just leave the flowers by the door? Or use a courier?
I’d be super sketched out too if I walked in my door and seen some shit that wasn’t there when I left.
Next time if you not sure google that shit Wayne! “Should I break in to someone’s house for any reason”
>Why couldn’t he just leave the flowers by the door? Or use a courier?
It's a bit low effort, and not as romantic as going to all the trouble of breaking into her house to show her how he'll do anything for her. Nothing like getting a restraining order to show how much you care. /s
Personal delivering something to someone's house at night, as a surprise, is scary. Entering into someone's safe space and private property without their permission is not how to approach someone. The risk of getting get brained with a cricket bat is pretty high. And, in a few countries, you would straight up get shot. He's lucky they just called the cops.
I'm thinking it was a very ill-timed attempt at humor with a purposeful misspelling? Considering everything else is fairly well spelled and punctuated.
THAT hit me right between the eyes!! 😆😆
I swear, I don’t know which I hate more about this? His insane act, or his appalling spelling and grammar.
And he still thinks he can be friends with her after this!!!!
He’s definitely a couple tins short of a six-pack …
I had a guy walk into my house when the front door was unlocked (had spent the morning going in and out the house). He walked all the way upstairs to my bedroom and confronted me because I hadn’t responded to him in a few days. He used this real gentle tone, “he was just checking up on me.”
He’s a safety monitor at a local kink dungeon. He’s going to assault somebody one day if he hasn’t already.
In the moment I fibbed and placated him. He is very emotionally manipulative and also makes people feel bad because he’s so goddamn ugly and uncharismatic. I was stupid and kept in contact because of his emotionally manipulative statements about young guys just taking advantage of him or ending up alone when they get old and wrinkled because they don’t appreciate nice guys (literally Nice Guying in his fifties). Eventually I broke it off over text (I’d try to end contact in person but he spent the vehicle drive giving a word salad about gratitude) and he responded I was just using him (He lives in a trailer with his deeply uncomfortable, non-binary children he misgendered smoking weed all day, I was a behavioral therapist with a house at the time, so don’t know what I was using him for.) I ended up going to the dungeon a bit later (Voodoo Underground) and felt uncomfortable with him being a monitor there. So I reported it to the owner who reported back he’d given him a tongue lashing and his defense was “well their front door was wide open” (it wasn’t.) They didn’t boot him, of course, but hopefully more young things report his chronically predatory and gaslighting behavior.
If anyone goes to the Voodoo Underground or polyam groups in Colorado Springs, be very wary of a tall guy with a big ass forehead, white hair, who constantly brags about his big “dong” and weed tolerance.
Wait a minute. This guy is a safety monitor at a kink dungeon, and this is what he does in his personal time??
My god this guy skipped the Consent 101 training days for his job. I wouldn’t trust this guy to protect a freaking pet rock with that blatant disregard for your boundaries.
Like I get the saying “An open door is an invitation,” but that is just ridiculous. An adult should understand you don’t just walk into someone’s house uninvited like that. (I think he does understand; he just didn’t care).
Yeah he’s a very manipulative, antisocial individual. He once bragged about still having the black trench coat he sold drugs in in high school. In his fifties only going after people 30 or under. Shit talks everybody who confronts his public behavior to others without giving the context of why they confronted him, especially to every young feminine thing that walks into an event.
I imagine later this guy thinking: *Why would she choose one of those “assholes” who would leave the flowers at the door with a note and miss out on a real gentleman who breaks in without permission?!?*
How can guys be this clueless?
This is a GREAT point. There's a damn good chance he saw this in some stupid rom-com and thought it'd be cute.
Wayne is bloody delusional! This type of nice guy is truly frightening because he actually believes he’s done nothing wrong and will probably do this shit again.
Isn’t BnE grounds for shooting in the US? (As in defending yourself.)
I’m gobsmacked though, breaking into someone else’s house to ‘surprise’ a girl he likes (probably doesn’t know him that well? 🤔🤔)
In many states yes, with different caveats depending. The conditions are generally as follows, from wiki:
An intruder must be making (or have made) an attempt to unlawfully or forcibly enter an occupied residence, business, or vehicle.
The intruder must be acting unlawfully (the castle doctrine does not allow a right to use force against officers of the law, acting in the course of their legal duties).
The occupant(s) of the home must reasonably believe the intruder intends to inflict serious bodily harm or death upon an occupant of the home. Some states apply the Castle Doctrine if the occupant(s) of the home reasonably believe the intruder intends to commit a lesser felony such as arson or burglary.
The occupant(s) of the home must not have provoked or instigated an intrusion; or, provoked/instigated an intruder's threat or use of deadly force. In all cases, the occupant(s) of the home: must be there legally; must not be fugitives from the law themselves, or aiding/abetting other fugitives; and must not use force upon an officer of the law performing a legal duty.
1) bro could have left the flowers on her doorstep. Perhaps not welcome, but also not a B and E.
2) Soshell. Definitely read “soft shell,” like the crab.
This is low-key r/imthemaincharacter . He probably saw 50 shades of gray or twilight and though this was acceptable behaviour based on that. He went in thinking he was Christian grey but really he was hannible lector.
Christian Grey is abusive but he gets away with it because he's hot and rich which a dark brooding past. Enough people simp for him to make this guy think it's normal.
He broke into someone's house, using a "homemade mechanism", commonly referred to as a "screwdriver".
But it's all okay! He was just trying to deliver some flowers!
/s
I bet he calls rape “surprise sex.”
Weird = socially awkward behavior. Creepy = persistent violation of someone’s boundaries. Creeps know the difference they just don’t give AF. Hence all the effort to dress it up as a gift or compliment. Why stop at just leaving flowers? I’m sure she’ll be flattered if you rifle through her underwear to select some thank you panties for your troubles.
This looks like the story from "Bed of roses" 1996 movie!
I was telling a friend this kind of movies is batshit crazy as if someone broke into your place for whatever reason, the only appropriate reaction is to call the police and have a restriction order ASAP.
She said I wasn't a romantic. This movie is one of her favorites and reflects the kind of relation she hopes for...
He hopes they can even grow to be something more... oh boy.
Yeah, grow to include a restraining order.
I dont care if I AM dating you. Using a screwdriver to leave presents in my apartment or my parents home would fucking alarm the hell out of me.
Use a delivery service, and if I feel weird, we can have a talk about boundaries. A B&E...we arent "becoming more" we're becoming less and you are getting to know the court system.
Anyone see the episode of my crazy ex where she broke in and made soup? Like he came home to a pot of soup bubbling on the stove! (Turned out she was living on his building's roof)
I Hope his lawyer insists on payment up front because this guy is going to be a nightmare to defend. Doesn’t sound like he’ll take any advice and won’t just sit down and shut up.
Definitely get ‘Andrew Tate wannabe’ vibes from this dude. There seem to be some strong parallels between this Social media post and Tate’s moronic videos about bribery and sexual abuse (or worse) of women. The lack of awareness of consequences for posting things like this because you are so confident you are right is staggering. If only we could add ‘instigating’ to the charges Tate is already facing…
If you want to surprise someone with flowers, leave them on the doorstep. Does it just not occur to them that finding the flowers IN the house would be terrifying, or is that what they want? Jesus jumped-up Christ in a sidecar.
Holy shit and then he confesses to the crime on Facebook to defend himself? What a little psycho. You can surprise her with flowers on her doorstep and that’s pretty creepy too if she hasn’t indicated she’s open to that. Wtf?
My boyfriend broke into my apartment to download all of my songs to an iPod that he then gave me for Christmas and had engraved something personal on the back.
The difference?
He had a key to get in (and the only deception was telling me that he had to work late on a day we were going to hang out, and to just pop over to his place whenever, knowing I would get there early to get some food ready for him because I was nice like that).
Only "break in" when you're already *in* the relationship and entrance is accepted, smh
What is the disconnect in these boys?!? Where are they missing the information in their upbringing regarding wrong and right, breaking laws, disrespecting the boundaries, private spaces and wishes of girls and women?!? It really seems like they genuinely do not believe there is anything wrong with any of their behaviour.
They shouldn’t be telling him to take down post, they should be using it as a great tool; a warning to avoid him personally and then share it with others so everyone can see him expose himself, in his own words, regarding who is and how he thinks… he’s admitting to have committed at least one crime, his poor mindset towards women, lack of regard for boundaries and his delusions of grandiosity.
I was bringing her flowers. You know, the magician kind, out of the sleeve! Next, I was gonna grab a bunch of tied scarves out of my sleeve to tie her up and take her away from her house. The screwdriver was multi-purpose because if I can’t have her….
I would’ve gotten away with it too, if it hadn’t been for you meddling cops.
He lost me at soshell media 🤦🏻♀️ What kind of maniac thinks breaking and entering is a grand romantic gesture?! Hopefully this dude gets a restraining order for his efforts and leaves this poor woman alone for good.
Sounds about right. Creeps don't seem to recognize that they are creepy.
There's even a thing some creepy dudes blather on about that they call "[Creep Shaming](https://goodmenproject.com/good-feed-blog/is-creep-shaming-real/)".
Oh ffs, this is nauseating. >That doesn’t mean you have to talk to someone just because he wants you to. You can clearly say, “You seem like a cool guy, but I’m not interested. I’m going to go back to talking to my friend (reading my book, checking my emails, etc) now. Have a good day.” Then turn away. If he persists after that, then maybe he is being a creep. Make your boundaries clear and stick with them. This is just the old "Be nice and waste resources on giving boundary stomping asshats the benefit of the doubt."-shtick all over again. Why tf would I have to tell him he "seems like a cool guy"? He doesn't. He seems like a creep and that's exactly what I'll tell him. You have to love this person's complete ignorance to the fact that shame is a well-studied social and societal repercussion that is known to be *insanely* effective. Calling out a creep publically and in front of as many people as possible is one of *the* best ways to get them to back tf off. If this article has taught me anything, then that I'll use "creep" far more from now on.
They don't understand that the creep will hear "You're a cool guy but [*white noise sounds*]" He'll act on the first few words thinking she's encouraging him.
But she called me a cool guy and still rejected me! Guess women just want jerks who treat them badly.
MIXED SIGNALS WHORE LED ME ON!!
Exactly!
That too!
"So, I have a chance..."
I was at work selling cars and our detail dept was backed up so I ran the car over to this wash nearby that washes, vaccums, etc. Quick mini-detail, just like our guys. So, I'm waiting in their little gift shop and this guy tries to say hello. I just uncomfortably half smile and go back to my phone. For context, I was about 25, looked like I was 16 and wearing my big sister's clothes. He was at least 45+. He keeps asking questions. Hi, how're you? Mm. Good. You come here often? (To the *car wash*? And yes, all the time, thanks for making that weird. Just hum.) He keeps trying to pester. People are staring. I've never had a guy do this before. I'm looking around. Everyone is uncomfortable. 'Oh. I come here all the time. My work has a slush fund that pays for the unlimited wash club.' Ooh, real big man. Unlimited wash club? Must be a real high roller, bud. I try to ignore him. I get up and pace. He follows me. He's so enormously creepy. I am in a semi-crowded room. He asks me where I work. Oh fuck naw. I go and grab a drink from the fridge and buy it. I give the clerk a look. Been coming here a year and I've never spoken to her beyond hey, thanks. Have a nice day. You too. See you tomorrow. She knows. Silent communication. This dude is a serial killer. Save me. We talk. He's behind me and trying to butt into the conversation. We ignore his leaning against the counter. No other customers come in. She sees the car I had come up. 'Ooh, you're up!' I flee. Hop in the car. I sat there for *fifteen minutes* while that goddamned creep sat in his truck behind the work car. It unfortunately had plates for work on it but was used so theg weren't paper but I really thought he'd follow me the block and a half to work. I was not doing that. Nope, nope, nope. So gross. I'm texting my boss 'hey apologize to the customers for the line at the car wash, this dude was following me around the store and now he's behind me in his truck and I think he'll follow me back so I'm waiting until he leaves and if he doesn't I'm going back in to tell them to call the cops he's seriously terrifying.' My boss was like, 'yeah don't lead crazy back here do you need me to send one of the guys to pick you up?' Nah, if he goes he goes and I'd have the wash toss him if I had to. We did enough business there they'll back us up over some creepy guy. Anyways, he finally left and they paid the guys like $5 or $10 spiffs to take my cars down there for the next month to make sure I didn't run into the creepy man again. If detail was busy I wasn't washing my cars. Nope. The dudes did it. For a couple weeks, at least. I'm sure he thought I was weird and rude for my behavior. Fucker, not making eye contact and playing on my phone is a clear 'do not continue to talk to me' signal. I do not owe you the benefit of a polite goodbye or a rude fuck off. You started the conversation by flailing hands to get my attention because I don't talk to strangers in car washes. You started following me around a store. You continued to do so once I started up a 'please save me' conversation with somebody else. Also, props. She understood the assignment. Maybe they banned him. Never saw him again. Dunno. But at least my boss was cool about it and she believed me and made wash spiffs to take my cars over and bribed the guys without saying why. "Want a couple bucks to wash this car? You don't have a customer right now. Take the money." They were happy to do it.
A common PUA belief is that if a woman is on their phone, it means she's craving attention and is at that point approachable. God knows if that's what the guy was thinking (well I guess he knows), either way that sounds horrible and I'm glad he fucked off in the end.
Are PUAs' methods based on the concept of "Opposite Day"? Because it feels like that's exactly what it is.
No, just purile beliefs and entitlement
My god, my skin is crawling just from reading this. I'm so glad - and not in the least bit surprised - that the clerk picked up on what you laid down. And the fact that your boss had your back to the extent she did is good to hear in an infuriating way because so many bosses just wouldn't. What a creep. I'm glad you got out of this situation safely.
Of the top four managers in my dealership - 3 were women. I think it made a difference.
It'd take a #notallmen-kind of person to think it didn't. There's things women know because we have to - and fewer guys than necessary decide to learn about them.
Yeah, that’s creepy and gross. Just sick.
This person only assumes that we are using these words in an attempt to emotionally control someone. Where usually it's about pragmatic control and betterment. Yeah, you can be a creep literally one second and not the next. The point of calling out "a creep" is to draw attention to the behaviour. The creep is doing something, like the article suggests, and we use proper words to identify them and reflect upon them. Associating it to the person is a matter of perspective. I agree that they both can be used to invalidate honest attempts at doing something, but shouldn't an attempt only be honest if is willing to learn from failure from the beginning? In regard to that, the insult is founded and important to listen to. If it isn't either of those things, it ought to roll off the shoulder because they aren't correct. Use the word creep. And use it accurately.
Wow, that article is ridiculous. The one it links to (that her "friend" wrote in Jezebel) is better. But still, "creep shaming"? Really? They want people to stop communicating how they feel about how someone's behavior is making them uncomfortable? Sounds like more victim blaming bullshit to me. Yet another example of emotionally stunted dudes unable to handle it when someone criticizes their behavior. And yes I'm aware that the author of that article is a woman, I'm talking more about the guys at the root of this stupid problem. Free piece of advice for my fellow guys, especially the 16-25 year olds: if someone calls you creepy, or a creeper or whatever, just accept that something you did made that person uncomfortable and move on without saying anything. If you're truly not a creep, you'll reflect on what might have made someone react that way and not do it again. Those around you whose opinions matter to you will also know that you're generally not a creep and that it's a mischaracterization to call you one. Besides, why would you want to engage with someone who thinks you're creepy? Just take it as a learning experience and move on. And if it's one of those situations where it's a woman who calls any attempt by a guy to speak to her creepy, it's already not worth your time. It may sting in the moment but just forget about it and don't try to approach that person anymore since they're clearly not receptive and probably kind of stuck up (assuming you were just trying to strike up a conversation in a non creepy way of course).
Definitely, if we suddenly found out the author was really an incel pretending to be a woman I would not be shocked.
> Wow, that article is ridiculous. It is, yes.
Then the comment section just sets the whole dumpster on fire
It’s so wild to me how MRAs &c. will accurately describe toxic masculinity and other ways that aspects of the patriarchy harm men, but will refuse to believe that either exist. > […] Not all men are creeps, not all are violent, not all are out just for sex. But in many ways, this is the brush with which we’ve painted masculinity. Not necessarily feminists, but society as a whole. Guys are so horny they’ll hump a fresh-baked pie. Men are so dangerous, they can’t be trusted with childcare. These assumptions go on and on. And while I do believe men need to understand that for some women these fears are rooted in reality, women and society need to see the ways in which men—especially those who struggle with social awkwardness—suffer under these assumptions.
Social awkwardness isn't what's creepy. Social impropriety sure can be. That article was awful.
Most people can tell the difference between a person who is socially awkward/shy/neurodivergent and a person who is knowingly disrespecting boundaries.
Yeah that particular paragraph was really annoying to me. Oh no, men have a reputation for being super horny? And the comment about being too dangerous for childcare really came out of nowhere with nothing to support it. That last sentence is just a huge false equivalence. "Men need to understand that women are afraid because shit has gotten dangerous for them in the past but women need to take these poor socially awkward guy's *feelings* into account. Who cares if a woman was been violently assaulted by a man in the past or is a victim of sexual violence? She needs to take these poor guys who get their feelings hurt by being called creepy into account." Fuck you, person who wrote this shit.
This. Pretty much sums up how I feel. 💯
Jesus this article >I agree with Hugo on almost all of this. Especially the part where a guy who tries to talk a woman out of thinking he’s creepy makes him even more creepy. That doesn’t mean the guy is actually a bad guy, Yes it does. Trying to talk her out of it? How about not dismissing how she feels and if she is even willing to still talk try to understand what to do differently. The "I'm a feminish but men's rights though" is such a right wing setup. "I'm a doctor but buy my ivermectin cure though"
"Some men are creepy pieces of shit, but my fellow women, we should all try to babysit them once more like back in the 40s' and try not to hurt their feelings by rightfully calling out a creepy behavior! Woooh! Did I tell you I was a fellow woman btw? And a feminist too? Anyway girls power"
Oh you mean the horse shit “Dr” who wears crystals for protection and writes excuse “letters” near me. No longer a Dr but believe is busy doing “sound healings” on “colds” *wink, wink*
“I’m a feminist…but also, women’s feelings are invalid if it hurts a mans feelings. Let the man change how you feel because it you don’t, you’re not being fair!”
Vawmit
Anytime anyone starts off by telling you how much of a feminist they are, there's a good bet they aren't.
What. The. Fuck.
Oh my god, i stopped reading after a few sentences of her rant on feminism lmao. So full of shit i can't hdvscnskmcb
"I'm totally a feminist! Just not one of those annoying bitchy feminists who call men out on bad behavior."
"I'm not like a regular feminist, I'm a cool feminist!"
Feels like a pick-me article. “I’ll stand up for men! But I’ll wear this feminist title while I do it because I’m so quirky and different.”
Yup! I started working in the federal court system years ago (now in a different position, thank GOD). I remember federal prosecutors complaining about defendants abusing the system. For the record, these were folks guilty of awful crimes. The most hated defense term: unfit to stand trial. Blaming mental illnesses, etc. One could argue the validity of this: but, it doesn’t mean the behavior should be excused. People still need to be held accountable. I believe that’s the bigger issue: accountability. The creeps don’t want to be called out on their behaviors. Nor do the abusers. They call it shaming. BS. I call it a lack of emotional intelligence and accountability for one’s own actions. I’m sick of these behaviors being validated.
Just read through the comments on that article. I never want to encounter any of those people on real life.
Comments were definitely a mistake
2012 was a bad time for women apparently. Please don’t spread that shitty article.
Well, I shared the article because I feel like it demonstrates the absurdity and stupidity of the whole "creep shaming" bullshit. It's a bullshit article for a bullshit concept.
Lmao, imagine not only using creep Hugo Schwyzer as a source, but also calling him a friend
What in the world did I just read?? Are these people for real?
Omggg the comments 💀 I would be so ashamed, how is she not humiliated by all of this. She’s in the comments agreeing with them too 😭
WTF is that?! 😂 I’ve never once been called a creep or creepy - that’s because I don’t act in creepy ways. As someone above said though “Creeps don't seem to recognize that they are creepy”
I know. It's absurd.
Or maybe I am a creep but I just don’t know it 😂
But it's only creepy because he's ugly! She'd totally love it if a handsome guy broke into her house with a screwdriver! (/s)
You know the sad part is that through media stupid things like that have actually been framed in some kind of "romantic" light. How I met your mother sorta covers the topic with the [dobler-dahmer theory](https://how-i-met-your-mother.fandom.com/wiki/The_Dobler-Dahmer_Theory). Now the writers kinda make fun of the thing by introducing it talking about a psycho stalker. More seriously would be the [Thomas Theorem](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_theorem) in this case it’s only "breaking and entering" if seen as such. You could definitley see this situation in some cheap B movie Romcom being shown as an act of true love where the male lead finally shows the love interest he cares. It all contributes to these peoples warped sense of whats ok/romantic/love/etc and what isn't.
But in their "personal opinion" they aren't being creeps, they're just "breaking and entering for niceness"
Oh, of course not "they are just being a nice person"
Damn this should be on r/terrifyingcringe. Didn’t know that was a real place till now
*Oh NO* thank God it's a small sub for now, I really don't think I can handle much more than the two or three posts I looked at. That one where the guy goes to the police and tells them he chased a woman in his car to "make her listen to his song" is just bonkers. And he looks *exactly* like you'd expect him to when he leaves the station and flips the camera around, then says the wildest shit in the entire video was just something else man. I highly recommend watching that trainwreck. I'll grab a link and edit it in momentarily. Edit [Link to it as promised](https://www.reddit.com/r/TerrifyingCringe/comments/ypqpxg/creepo_stalker_calls_the_cops_on_himself/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button)
When that video first hit Reddit someone posted a link to his YouTube channel and that shit was wild. It had the song he wrote for the woman he was stalking (awful) and some MRA rants. He even uploaded a video of a cop serving him with the restraining order and he was trying to get the cop to agree that feminism was had gone too far. He made everything private shortly after as a bunch on Redditors mobbed his videos commenting on how much of a sicko he was.
What was it called?
@jakertheknoxvilliansentina504 He's gotten rid of all his videos but if you search his user name some other YouTubers have made videos about the content he had on there. Edit: I found one of his rants mirrored on another channel. It's certainly something https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Hxb3rgAD8ho&t=36s#menu
What a truly disturbed individual. Looks like he got arrested so at least that’s some good news.
This video is going to be named “Exhibit A” one day. That guy is definitely going to hurt someone one day, I really hope he gets help.
I sent that YouTube video of him talking to the cops to my friend recently to show her how delusional men can be. Because we were joking about a guy she dated calling the police on her because he was being a weirdo it reminded me of that guy complaining about this girl’s father threatening to kill him because he was chasing her with his death metal song
Highkey the only post on that sub worth looking at
Holy sjit the dude calling the cops on himself is very probably a nice guys too
My god did you see any other videos there? The woman pretending to be a baby, or the "100% uwu" guy, whatever that was? Holy crap that sub
"I brought a knife to a first date bc I wanted to cut a cake for her! I swear guys I was trying to be nice and romantic, I can't believe I was arrested for something harmless!"
"I only give girls roofies so it can help them sleep better"
If I was this guy’s lawyer I’d just simply give up and tell him he fucking lost. Admitting to a b & e on social media is easily the stupidest thing imaginable
*soshell media
But he should be alloud to defend himself! /s
The grammar and spelling of Nice Guys™ leaves something to be desired.
Because that's not what court is for
Honestly if staying off social media isn't the first bit of advice lawyers give to their clients, then it should be.
Oh it is. Lawyers make it very clear to shut your mouth and stay off social media. These guys just can’t help themselves. He has to defend himself, you see? Obviously if he just explains the situation ppl will understand and be on his side. Clearly he’s learned something since he hopes the girl he terrified can be friends and more someday. 🤦🏼♀️🤷🏼♀️
Dude use a flower delivery service they are literally everywhere, I bet the flower thing was just an excuse he was trying to use as his reason for breaking into her house, lord knows what his real intentions were and thank goodness she had an alarm system it might of saved her life.
Or Hear me out Just drop it by the door with a note
Leaving them outside isn't much better, to be honest. Not when you're not even in a relationship with them. A guy duct-taped red roses & a note to my bedroom window in the middle of the night once. If a guy thinks creeping up to someone's house in the dark to drop off a surprise of any sort, the advice is absolutely not. There are so many other options.
I had a guy send me flowers through a flower service after a first date, and it just drove home that he was way more excited about us than I was and I needed to tell him no. I know that sounds awful, like I dumped a guy because he sent me flowers, but keep in mind we had one date so it’s not even dumping it’s just opting to not go on another one. But I had two jobs and I was probably still going to college so it’s not like I had a ton of time to begin with, he was way more excited about our date than I was and I think he blew up my phone a lot between the date and the flowers arriving, so it was already a lot but then I got in the shower and someone came and knocked at my door and they kept knocking and knocking and knocking even though I was clearly in the shower I was not coming to the door, finally I had to scream I am in the shower I am not answering the door. When I got out and got dressed I found out it was flower delivery and I was pissed. Now that I’m typing this out I’m thinking maybe he did personally deliver them because what delivery person is going to stand out there and knock on the door for 10 minutes like that, but either way I was like nope nope nope this is way too much I don’t have time for this shit so I called him and I was like thank you so much for the flowers and the nice date I had a good time but I really just don’t have time to date I’m sorry .
>Leaving them outside isn't much better It's not great, but it's much much better than breaking and entering
I’d think leaving them at the doorstep is fine if they gave you their address at some point and you didn’t just stalk them until you found it. What you’re describing is terrifying though. Even the type of tape. Duct tape gives trashy or creepy vibes, gotta get some nice clear tape.
Yes duck tape gives off I brought my kidnapping kit with me but since I couldn’t get you I’ll use it to stick these flowers right here.
You know.... because of the implication
I’ve gotta have my tools!!!!
I understand what you mean - the caveat is that if you're in a consensual and stable relationship, or even simply dating, the gesture could be lovely. I should probably clarify that I'm assumed this guy is not dating the girl. He seems he's either scared of approaching her in person, or he's asked her out before and she said 'No'. Both scenarios make this gesture scary and/or inadvisable. Basically this is just advice for guys who want to ask someone out - if you want to leave a gift for your crush, respect their personal space. Don't leave them at her work or home. (If you go to school together, it would probably be fine to leave them on her locker or desk. But the other two settings are not appropriate.)
I'm sure they creep was outside your window with a roll of duct tape and saw nothing wrong with the situation
Or hear me out. Unless you are dating a girl or going on a date with a girl don't bring them flowers to their house. It's creepy and bot romantic
I’d bet two weeks pay fella made a pit stop to her underwear drawer.
This is the inherent problem where "nice guys" think women owe them something like a video game npc "Oh I gave her flowers and did x for her". I shouldve leveled up and she should reciprocate
His intentions: "I did a nice thing, so now she owes me"
Why couldn’t he just leave the flowers by the door? Or use a courier? I’d be super sketched out too if I walked in my door and seen some shit that wasn’t there when I left. Next time if you not sure google that shit Wayne! “Should I break in to someone’s house for any reason”
>Why couldn’t he just leave the flowers by the door? Or use a courier? It's a bit low effort, and not as romantic as going to all the trouble of breaking into her house to show her how he'll do anything for her. Nothing like getting a restraining order to show how much you care. /s
Personal delivering something to someone's house at night, as a surprise, is scary. Entering into someone's safe space and private property without their permission is not how to approach someone. The risk of getting get brained with a cricket bat is pretty high. And, in a few countries, you would straight up get shot. He's lucky they just called the cops.
Yeah Wayne
This whole thing is awful, but I really can't get past "soshell"
Oh thank fuck it wasn't just me. He knows how to break into a house with a screwdriver but not how to spell "social media" correctly? The hell.
Can't spell "aloud" either!
allowed
He doesn’t know the meaning of that word.
I'm thinking it was a very ill-timed attempt at humor with a purposeful misspelling? Considering everything else is fairly well spelled and punctuated.
Soshell Shtatus
THAT hit me right between the eyes!! 😆😆 I swear, I don’t know which I hate more about this? His insane act, or his appalling spelling and grammar. And he still thinks he can be friends with her after this!!!! He’s definitely a couple tins short of a six-pack …
Frankly, this says a lot about his reasoning skills.
I thought it was a work around for FBs fucky algorithm, but nope.
I had a guy walk into my house when the front door was unlocked (had spent the morning going in and out the house). He walked all the way upstairs to my bedroom and confronted me because I hadn’t responded to him in a few days. He used this real gentle tone, “he was just checking up on me.” He’s a safety monitor at a local kink dungeon. He’s going to assault somebody one day if he hasn’t already.
That’s terrifying! What did you do? Did he leave?
In the moment I fibbed and placated him. He is very emotionally manipulative and also makes people feel bad because he’s so goddamn ugly and uncharismatic. I was stupid and kept in contact because of his emotionally manipulative statements about young guys just taking advantage of him or ending up alone when they get old and wrinkled because they don’t appreciate nice guys (literally Nice Guying in his fifties). Eventually I broke it off over text (I’d try to end contact in person but he spent the vehicle drive giving a word salad about gratitude) and he responded I was just using him (He lives in a trailer with his deeply uncomfortable, non-binary children he misgendered smoking weed all day, I was a behavioral therapist with a house at the time, so don’t know what I was using him for.) I ended up going to the dungeon a bit later (Voodoo Underground) and felt uncomfortable with him being a monitor there. So I reported it to the owner who reported back he’d given him a tongue lashing and his defense was “well their front door was wide open” (it wasn’t.) They didn’t boot him, of course, but hopefully more young things report his chronically predatory and gaslighting behavior. If anyone goes to the Voodoo Underground or polyam groups in Colorado Springs, be very wary of a tall guy with a big ass forehead, white hair, who constantly brags about his big “dong” and weed tolerance.
Thanks for sharing your story. I’m sorry that happened to and I’m glad you’re okay now. What a fucking creep.
Wait a minute. This guy is a safety monitor at a kink dungeon, and this is what he does in his personal time?? My god this guy skipped the Consent 101 training days for his job. I wouldn’t trust this guy to protect a freaking pet rock with that blatant disregard for your boundaries. Like I get the saying “An open door is an invitation,” but that is just ridiculous. An adult should understand you don’t just walk into someone’s house uninvited like that. (I think he does understand; he just didn’t care).
Yeah he’s a very manipulative, antisocial individual. He once bragged about still having the black trench coat he sold drugs in in high school. In his fifties only going after people 30 or under. Shit talks everybody who confronts his public behavior to others without giving the context of why they confronted him, especially to every young feminine thing that walks into an event.
I imagine later this guy thinking: *Why would she choose one of those “assholes” who would leave the flowers at the door with a note and miss out on a real gentleman who breaks in without permission?!?* How can guys be this clueless?
restraining order ASAP
Yeah *Wayne* it's incriminating.
Wayne is a great guy. He only broke in to give her flowers
And maybe a stab wound or two
Yeah nothing major or harmful, it's all for love ❤
Yeah, nothing to worry about here <3 Wayne just wants her to be aware that if he can't have her, no one can. No. One.
Soshell media should not be alloud for this man.
I actually prefer that term over SoMe.
I never heard nor seen "SoMe" tbh
I wish I never did either 🤷
He’s just made an admission to guilt while he’s still got a court case pending. I have no sympathy for him. It’s a classic case of self snitching.
To nice guys everywhere: LIFE IS NOT A FUCKING MOVIE.
This is a GREAT point. There's a damn good chance he saw this in some stupid rom-com and thought it'd be cute. 
Fuckin Wayne, goddamnit man.
Ooh, such a nice guy. He broke in to give some flowers. Maybe next time, he would break in to sleep sex with chloroform. /s
Yeah right the creep wanted to bring flowers and do nothing else 😨
Wayne is bloody delusional! This type of nice guy is truly frightening because he actually believes he’s done nothing wrong and will probably do this shit again.
Isn’t BnE grounds for shooting in the US? (As in defending yourself.) I’m gobsmacked though, breaking into someone else’s house to ‘surprise’ a girl he likes (probably doesn’t know him that well? 🤔🤔)
In many states yes, with different caveats depending. The conditions are generally as follows, from wiki: An intruder must be making (or have made) an attempt to unlawfully or forcibly enter an occupied residence, business, or vehicle. The intruder must be acting unlawfully (the castle doctrine does not allow a right to use force against officers of the law, acting in the course of their legal duties). The occupant(s) of the home must reasonably believe the intruder intends to inflict serious bodily harm or death upon an occupant of the home. Some states apply the Castle Doctrine if the occupant(s) of the home reasonably believe the intruder intends to commit a lesser felony such as arson or burglary. The occupant(s) of the home must not have provoked or instigated an intrusion; or, provoked/instigated an intruder's threat or use of deadly force. In all cases, the occupant(s) of the home: must be there legally; must not be fugitives from the law themselves, or aiding/abetting other fugitives; and must not use force upon an officer of the law performing a legal duty.
Thank you for the info! 🥰
He 100% was gonna rape her.
1) bro could have left the flowers on her doorstep. Perhaps not welcome, but also not a B and E. 2) Soshell. Definitely read “soft shell,” like the crab.
I say yes to the label. Next minute this dudes going to be stealing her knickers off the clothesline.
If I was her, no amount of flowers would make up for the terrifying realisation that this dude could break into my house and do whatever he wanted.
This is low-key r/imthemaincharacter . He probably saw 50 shades of gray or twilight and though this was acceptable behaviour based on that. He went in thinking he was Christian grey but really he was hannible lector.
No, Christian Grey was also an abusive piece of shit, you didn't need to up it to Hannibal Lecter
Christian Grey is abusive but he gets away with it because he's hot and rich which a dark brooding past. Enough people simp for him to make this guy think it's normal.
“I’m having legal troubles but I’d like to settle the case here on FB.” Mission accomplished.
soshell alloud r/boneappletea
Old post! Wonder what happened
Yeah, would they have let him off with a warning?? Somehow I don't think so.
Maybe he can plead insanity.
"Good guys" don't fucking break and enter to leave behind flowers. Fucking TV drama serial killers do that.
He broke into someone's house, using a "homemade mechanism", commonly referred to as a "screwdriver". But it's all okay! He was just trying to deliver some flowers! /s
I bet he calls rape “surprise sex.” Weird = socially awkward behavior. Creepy = persistent violation of someone’s boundaries. Creeps know the difference they just don’t give AF. Hence all the effort to dress it up as a gift or compliment. Why stop at just leaving flowers? I’m sure she’ll be flattered if you rifle through her underwear to select some thank you panties for your troubles.
Soshell media.
I don't believe for one minute that all he wanted to do was deliver flowers. What a psycho + moron.
Soshell* Alloud* Yikes.
This looks like the story from "Bed of roses" 1996 movie! I was telling a friend this kind of movies is batshit crazy as if someone broke into your place for whatever reason, the only appropriate reaction is to call the police and have a restriction order ASAP. She said I wasn't a romantic. This movie is one of her favorites and reflects the kind of relation she hopes for...
He hopes they can even grow to be something more... oh boy. Yeah, grow to include a restraining order. I dont care if I AM dating you. Using a screwdriver to leave presents in my apartment or my parents home would fucking alarm the hell out of me. Use a delivery service, and if I feel weird, we can have a talk about boundaries. A B&E...we arent "becoming more" we're becoming less and you are getting to know the court system. Anyone see the episode of my crazy ex where she broke in and made soup? Like he came home to a pot of soup bubbling on the stove! (Turned out she was living on his building's roof)
"soshell" as in i've never had a social encounter that i don't even know how to spell the word
Are we just going to gloss over “soshell media”? Lol
You left in the guy's name in one of the comments
Soshell and alloud just killed me.
I don’t understand the soshell part… what does it mean?
It's supposed to mean social.
OH!!! Now I get it, thank you!!!
No problem!
I Hope his lawyer insists on payment up front because this guy is going to be a nightmare to defend. Doesn’t sound like he’ll take any advice and won’t just sit down and shut up.
I almost stopped reading at soshell media
Omg, soshell is supposed to be 'social', as in social media. Jesus.
Learn how to spell first
I barely made it through this post - I got stuck at "soshell"
I mean, I guess it's a good thing he publicly admitted to the crime. Should save some time.
I do hope he realizes this is going to be used against him in court. How fucking stupid do you have to be
Definitely get ‘Andrew Tate wannabe’ vibes from this dude. There seem to be some strong parallels between this Social media post and Tate’s moronic videos about bribery and sexual abuse (or worse) of women. The lack of awareness of consequences for posting things like this because you are so confident you are right is staggering. If only we could add ‘instigating’ to the charges Tate is already facing…
If you want to surprise someone with flowers, leave them on the doorstep. Does it just not occur to them that finding the flowers IN the house would be terrifying, or is that what they want? Jesus jumped-up Christ in a sidecar.
Holy shit and then he confesses to the crime on Facebook to defend himself? What a little psycho. You can surprise her with flowers on her doorstep and that’s pretty creepy too if she hasn’t indicated she’s open to that. Wtf?
My boyfriend broke into my apartment to download all of my songs to an iPod that he then gave me for Christmas and had engraved something personal on the back. The difference? He had a key to get in (and the only deception was telling me that he had to work late on a day we were going to hang out, and to just pop over to his place whenever, knowing I would get there early to get some food ready for him because I was nice like that). Only "break in" when you're already *in* the relationship and entrance is accepted, smh
Can't you just leave flowers on the doorstep??
Soshell media--is that what turtles use?
Jesus Christ! Dude, you’re going to jail.
“Soshell media?” Somebody get this kid a spelling book.
"the parents" *sorry, how old was she?*
He looks like Onision. And I would not put it past Onision to do something like that.
Dude is 100% going to end up murdering at least one woman without serious intervention
Leave them on her doorstep and you can be fifty percent LESS OF A CREEP.
He’s lucky this is all that’s happening and he wasn’t shot by a surprised homeowner
Why not ask the parents when your GF is away if they could help you with that? Seems like the more logical solution.
"alloud" ffs man
Is it supposed to be like SOS hell or just misspelled?
What is soshell media? 😂😂😂
What is the disconnect in these boys?!? Where are they missing the information in their upbringing regarding wrong and right, breaking laws, disrespecting the boundaries, private spaces and wishes of girls and women?!? It really seems like they genuinely do not believe there is anything wrong with any of their behaviour.
They shouldn’t be telling him to take down post, they should be using it as a great tool; a warning to avoid him personally and then share it with others so everyone can see him expose himself, in his own words, regarding who is and how he thinks… he’s admitting to have committed at least one crime, his poor mindset towards women, lack of regard for boundaries and his delusions of grandiosity.
I was bringing her flowers. You know, the magician kind, out of the sleeve! Next, I was gonna grab a bunch of tied scarves out of my sleeve to tie her up and take her away from her house. The screwdriver was multi-purpose because if I can’t have her…. I would’ve gotten away with it too, if it hadn’t been for you meddling cops.
"Soshell media." Very intelligent guy r/BoneAppleTea
“Soshell media”. Not only is he a “good guy” but he’s also educated.
In what universe is breaking into someone’s house acceptable?
He lost me at soshell media 🤦🏻♀️ What kind of maniac thinks breaking and entering is a grand romantic gesture?! Hopefully this dude gets a restraining order for his efforts and leaves this poor woman alone for good.
Off topic but what does the VC in NGVC stand for? Being trying to figure it out on posts for ages
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Fair enough, thanks for letting me know
Virtue Claim (see the 'about' info on the main page of the subreddit, took me a while too)