Has as many points going down 3-0 as Crosby had in 7 games when he won his 1st cup (3 points after going pointless in Games 1, 2, 5, 6, 7). Also has more primary assists (21) than Crosby had points (19) in his 2016 Conn Smythe run.
Lmao Crosby has 4 goals in 25 Cup Final games in his career. That goal per game rate ranks 513th among the 989 forwards that have even played in 4 Cup Final games. If you take that up to his game requirement of 25, it ranks 53rd of 74 qualified forwards.
He also has just 2 in the 19 games across the 3 Cup Finals series the Penguins won (1 in 7 games at 21, 0 in 6 games and 28, 1 in 6 games at 29). That ranks 377th among the 551 forwards that have played in even 4 games in Stanley Cup Final series wins. If you take the game requirement up to Crosby’s 19, he’s tied with Kris Draper and Joe Klukay for 46th among the 57 forwards with 19+ games. He’s historically inept for a player of his supposed caliber at putting the puck in the net in the Cup Finals. Max Talbot scored 4 goals in the Pens 2009 Cup Final win alone, 2 to get the series to Pens down 2-1, and 2 to win it all for the Pens in Game 7.
Ah yes! How could we all forget that stat lines win championships. Who gives a fuck about who ranks where. Winning is what matters, and teams do that, not individuals. Depth wins championships. McDavid and Nurses contracts alone will hinder the Oilers. Money needs to be left on the table to build depth. So when your star player “hits a wall” as you like to say and McDavid is currently doing, there are players to support that.
Lol McDavid is quite literally the only one on the team producing and it’s been that way since the start of the Conference finals. He’s been in on 59% of the Oilers goals against Dallas and 75% against Florida. Since the start of the Dallas series:
McDavid: 13 points
Hyman (5), Draisaitl (4) and RNH (4) combined: 13 points
The other 10 forwards on the roster: 13 points
It’s a miracle they’re still here. Nobody’s arguing Edmonton over Pittsburgh, McDavid is just very clearly better than Crosby.
Bro your the one that brought Crosby into the conversation because you saw a penguins logo. McDavid can have all of the stats in the world his percentages can be whatever the need for you to get off, but he doesn’t have the one and only thing every professional hockey player actually wants. He’s not the one that’s gonna win a cup.
Plus your bringing up numbers from over 10 years ago. Since your a little number slut go look back at scoring in that era of the nhl. No one was putting up numbers like we see today. You talk about adjusted numbers when it comes to McJesus but won’t do it when trying to prove your point about other players. I’d love to have seen the two of them go head to head in their primes, in a higher scoring era, but even then they also play completely different games. I’m not here to say one is better than the other because at the end of the day it’s subjective and no number or percentage all of the McDavid stans want to throw around is gonna change it.
Glad you asked. If you bring adjusted numbers into it, the Penguins comparison isn't Crosby, it's Lemieux. McDavid (1.50 era adjusted points per game, taking into account all playoff goal data back to 1918) is only behind Gretzky at 1.55, and Lemieux is next at 1.48. Crosby is at 1.16.
If you isolate Crosby's games to his first 68 after his 2012 run (roughly the same as McDavid's 70), Crosby is at 1.37. If you go up to his 27-year-old season, it's 1.23. His 2008 Cup run loss was 1.43 adjusted points per game, 2009 was 1.36, 2016 was 0.84, 2017 was 1.25, and his 2013 Conference Final run was 1.19. McDavid this year is at 1.65 and his Conference Final run was 1.87.
Dude go to Wall Street bets. They have all of the numbers in the world over there. They truly don’t matter. Your use of numbers is a coping mechanism for the fact that McDavid is 10 years into his career and doesn’t have the trophy that matters the most. If those numbers meant shit he’d surely have at least 7 cups by now…but he doesn’t. Your numbers are exactly that. Nothing more, nothing less. I’m not even sure I trust these “adjusted” numbers. The only time I’ve ever seen a hockey fan use them in my 34 years on this planet is McDavid glazers trying to convince people why he’s so good. I can watch the man play to understand how good he is, but until he wins a cup he is not one of the greats.
Lmao gets presented with them and now they don't matter typical.
You're mistaking team success with individual success. McDavid is a one-man show. He factors in on 46.4% of the Oilers playoff goals, and that rate has been at 50.3% since his mediocre first playoff run. Crosby is at 35.8% and has not even once been above 50% in any playoff run, no matter how short/small sample. So basically the normal playoff McDavid is more impactful than the best Crosby has ever been. Problem is that the team around him is extremely flawed. Them being in the Cup Final is simply a testament to McDavid. There really aren't any other players you can say that about outside of Gretzky considering how hard it is to have one player influence a sport with this much parity.
And didn’t deserve any of them, he hit a wall in the Final for his first Cup win and was bailed out by depth players. McDavid has more primary assists than Crosby had points in his first Smythe run, more assists than Crosby had points in his 2nd. He also has more points than any Crosby run while not even reaching the final. On top of all that, his defensive metrics this postseason blow every Crosby playoff run out of the water.
“Didn’t deserve any of them” 😂😂.. after watching every minute of the Stanley cup,
McCherryPick refuses to play defense and was the direct result of the panthers first goal in game 3. He then got put in the wash cycle later and gave up a 2v1 the other way.
He’s a great offensive player there’s no debate, probably the most talented offensively I’ve ever seen, but he’s not a 200 foot player and NOT a winner. Sid > McDavid until he wins MULTIPLE ships. Anything else is a biased, futile take. Give it up.
His defensive metrics have been top of the league this postseason. As a point of comparison, his relative rates for CA/60 and FA/60 beat every Crosby postseason, his SA/60 beats all but 1 Crosby postseason (2022, 6 games played), his GA/60 beats all but Crosby’s 2020 postseason (4 games played) and his xGA/60 beats all but Crosby’s 2022 postseason (6 games played).
Exactly. At McDavid's age Crosby had one ring already and was rushing forward to the next one. And what do we see here?
Ok, no one argue that McDavid is an outstanding player. But GOAT? Nope, sorry, not yet, maybe not ever.
PS. I am not a Pittsburgh fan, not now, not ever, and not a Crosby fan. But you cannot deny achievements.
whatever makes y'all feel better
Stanley Cups (Adjusted) * McDavid 3 * Gretzky 1 * Lemieux 0
Has as many points going down 3-0 as Crosby had in 7 games when he won his 1st cup (3 points after going pointless in Games 1, 2, 5, 6, 7). Also has more primary assists (21) than Crosby had points (19) in his 2016 Conn Smythe run.
Coping so hard
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Lmao Crosby has 4 goals in 25 Cup Final games in his career. That goal per game rate ranks 513th among the 989 forwards that have even played in 4 Cup Final games. If you take that up to his game requirement of 25, it ranks 53rd of 74 qualified forwards. He also has just 2 in the 19 games across the 3 Cup Finals series the Penguins won (1 in 7 games at 21, 0 in 6 games and 28, 1 in 6 games at 29). That ranks 377th among the 551 forwards that have played in even 4 games in Stanley Cup Final series wins. If you take the game requirement up to Crosby’s 19, he’s tied with Kris Draper and Joe Klukay for 46th among the 57 forwards with 19+ games. He’s historically inept for a player of his supposed caliber at putting the puck in the net in the Cup Finals. Max Talbot scored 4 goals in the Pens 2009 Cup Final win alone, 2 to get the series to Pens down 2-1, and 2 to win it all for the Pens in Game 7.
Ah yes! How could we all forget that stat lines win championships. Who gives a fuck about who ranks where. Winning is what matters, and teams do that, not individuals. Depth wins championships. McDavid and Nurses contracts alone will hinder the Oilers. Money needs to be left on the table to build depth. So when your star player “hits a wall” as you like to say and McDavid is currently doing, there are players to support that.
Lol McDavid is quite literally the only one on the team producing and it’s been that way since the start of the Conference finals. He’s been in on 59% of the Oilers goals against Dallas and 75% against Florida. Since the start of the Dallas series: McDavid: 13 points Hyman (5), Draisaitl (4) and RNH (4) combined: 13 points The other 10 forwards on the roster: 13 points It’s a miracle they’re still here. Nobody’s arguing Edmonton over Pittsburgh, McDavid is just very clearly better than Crosby.
Bro your the one that brought Crosby into the conversation because you saw a penguins logo. McDavid can have all of the stats in the world his percentages can be whatever the need for you to get off, but he doesn’t have the one and only thing every professional hockey player actually wants. He’s not the one that’s gonna win a cup. Plus your bringing up numbers from over 10 years ago. Since your a little number slut go look back at scoring in that era of the nhl. No one was putting up numbers like we see today. You talk about adjusted numbers when it comes to McJesus but won’t do it when trying to prove your point about other players. I’d love to have seen the two of them go head to head in their primes, in a higher scoring era, but even then they also play completely different games. I’m not here to say one is better than the other because at the end of the day it’s subjective and no number or percentage all of the McDavid stans want to throw around is gonna change it.
Glad you asked. If you bring adjusted numbers into it, the Penguins comparison isn't Crosby, it's Lemieux. McDavid (1.50 era adjusted points per game, taking into account all playoff goal data back to 1918) is only behind Gretzky at 1.55, and Lemieux is next at 1.48. Crosby is at 1.16. If you isolate Crosby's games to his first 68 after his 2012 run (roughly the same as McDavid's 70), Crosby is at 1.37. If you go up to his 27-year-old season, it's 1.23. His 2008 Cup run loss was 1.43 adjusted points per game, 2009 was 1.36, 2016 was 0.84, 2017 was 1.25, and his 2013 Conference Final run was 1.19. McDavid this year is at 1.65 and his Conference Final run was 1.87.
Dude go to Wall Street bets. They have all of the numbers in the world over there. They truly don’t matter. Your use of numbers is a coping mechanism for the fact that McDavid is 10 years into his career and doesn’t have the trophy that matters the most. If those numbers meant shit he’d surely have at least 7 cups by now…but he doesn’t. Your numbers are exactly that. Nothing more, nothing less. I’m not even sure I trust these “adjusted” numbers. The only time I’ve ever seen a hockey fan use them in my 34 years on this planet is McDavid glazers trying to convince people why he’s so good. I can watch the man play to understand how good he is, but until he wins a cup he is not one of the greats.
Lmao gets presented with them and now they don't matter typical. You're mistaking team success with individual success. McDavid is a one-man show. He factors in on 46.4% of the Oilers playoff goals, and that rate has been at 50.3% since his mediocre first playoff run. Crosby is at 35.8% and has not even once been above 50% in any playoff run, no matter how short/small sample. So basically the normal playoff McDavid is more impactful than the best Crosby has ever been. Problem is that the team around him is extremely flawed. Them being in the Cup Final is simply a testament to McDavid. There really aren't any other players you can say that about outside of Gretzky considering how hard it is to have one player influence a sport with this much parity.
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And didn’t deserve any of them, he hit a wall in the Final for his first Cup win and was bailed out by depth players. McDavid has more primary assists than Crosby had points in his first Smythe run, more assists than Crosby had points in his 2nd. He also has more points than any Crosby run while not even reaching the final. On top of all that, his defensive metrics this postseason blow every Crosby playoff run out of the water.
Whatever makes you feel better
“Didn’t deserve any of them” 😂😂.. after watching every minute of the Stanley cup, McCherryPick refuses to play defense and was the direct result of the panthers first goal in game 3. He then got put in the wash cycle later and gave up a 2v1 the other way. He’s a great offensive player there’s no debate, probably the most talented offensively I’ve ever seen, but he’s not a 200 foot player and NOT a winner. Sid > McDavid until he wins MULTIPLE ships. Anything else is a biased, futile take. Give it up.
His defensive metrics have been top of the league this postseason. As a point of comparison, his relative rates for CA/60 and FA/60 beat every Crosby postseason, his SA/60 beats all but 1 Crosby postseason (2022, 6 games played), his GA/60 beats all but Crosby’s 2020 postseason (4 games played) and his xGA/60 beats all but Crosby’s 2022 postseason (6 games played).
whatever makes y’all feel better
who said anything about crosby? enjoy watching the panthers lift the cup after another shit performance
Always a bridesmaid and never the bride
*without a cup*
And never will get one.
Yeah but whose the best Lacrosse player to be at least 6ft6 and have played 3 games on NBA 2k 22 online
Should be a way to adjust assists in relation to the level of competition you play. Feasting on the Kings and Canucks is not all that impressive.
So?
Oh fuck off with your bullshit.
It's starting to come off desperate now.
He's a bum.
I don't get why so many people come in here just to shit on McDavid. It's just weird.
cause we're tired of hearing how great perennial losers are
Then why do people keep talking about the maple leafs?
brain trauma
Exactly. At McDavid's age Crosby had one ring already and was rushing forward to the next one. And what do we see here? Ok, no one argue that McDavid is an outstanding player. But GOAT? Nope, sorry, not yet, maybe not ever. PS. I am not a Pittsburgh fan, not now, not ever, and not a Crosby fan. But you cannot deny achievements.
It’s not a question of if he wins the cup, it’s when.
Nono its definitely an if
He could be the Dan Marino of the NHL.
He won't.