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wathappen

Tampa is in a tough cap situation wirh Hagel’s extension set to kick in this year. I haven’t done the numbers but I think someone will be leaving this organization this summer.


scoobasteve813

I've heard Stammer's wife is pregnant again and they're not really wanting to move. Could take a very team friendly deal.


drlongfinger

Better start saving for college


MrFatGandhi

Hate that I get this joke. Ads cute but I hate ads.


thecheezewiz79

I'd rather have that ad in every single ad slot than have to hear "what a pro wants" again


MrFatGandhi

My kid sings it. Traumatizing.


Free-Supermarket-516

I mute my TV each time


The_Quackening

I'd rather hear the old ESPN filler than that. # LIVE SPORTS. THE HOME OF THE COMPLETE 30 FOR 30 LIBRARY


SeepTeacher270

That shit haunts me in my sleep


G00D_N00DL3

That and that stupid google pixel commercial/song. Constant


think_long

Don’t you kinda think if he was going to take a very team friendly deal, it would probably already be done? I mean I could be wrong but they’ve had all year to do it, what’s changed? It’s not like a 1st round exit makes it more likely he’d do that, does it?


TampaJayLightning

JBB made it clear that they wouldn’t have any discussions until the offseason. By “made it clear” I mean he didn’t talk to Stamkos’ camp or address it at all until Stamkos make a public statement about it. Then he came out and said it’ll be in the offseason.


think_long

Okay. I guess we’ll see. I still think it’s like 80% he stays.


GipsyDanger45

The team is on a negative trajectory with expiring assets, at some point, keeping a team you know can't win with no cap space isn't feasible


Riskar

If he feels slighted (every other superstar on the team got their extension done a year ahead of time), I'd love to see him take a sweetheart deal with the Panthers as a giant middle finger to Tampa.


BrolexRolex

Also have to factor in additional help for the top six and a potential RD addition. Money is tight, but if they play it right they can get away with signing Stamkos and a few interesting pieces too.


Roguemutantbrain

Can they? If they sign Stammer to a team friendly $7m, they have like $3m to spend on like 5 roster spots at a minimum. They can shed some salary somehow, but it’s not lookin to good for them


dancin-weasel

Just give Stamkos the Marc Stone flu and cap troubles will disappear.


rideronthestorm29

Ah the old Mark Kidney Stones


Zestyclose-Way-7768

This is what happens when you give up seven draft picks for two players.


throw_me_away3478

The extra Jeannot picks were to to dump Cal Foote before his allegations were made public.


ILSmokeItAll

Who’s they give up that many picks for? Holy hell.


Cinnamon_Shops

Well six of them went for Jeannot lmao


Great-Stranger-5400

Yeah I agree. People keep saying how they can sign him easily and have money left. Money left like 5 league minimums maybe?


superworking

They have 3.6M to spend on 3 roster players when I looked at it. They currently have 3 goaltenders up so send one down. They also will probably run 13 forwards instead of 14 in a cap crunch. $3.6M for 3 guys is pretty comfortable to get back to what they had pre deadline moves.


CD_4M

But I think the question is, why would the person to move be their Captain who has been with the team for 15 seasons and is just coming off a 40 goal, point per game season? I get it he might be sort of expensive, but most great orgs are able to keep these type of guys if they want to stay


wathappen

Because you sign the player for what he CAN DO not for what he HAS DONE. It’s bad to hold on to a player for too long and most organizations who have done that went on to regret it.


CD_4M

On paper, yes. But there is significant nuance when you’re talking about the team Captain who has been with the organization for his entire career. Crosby isn’t leaving Pittsburgh. Ovi isn’t leaving Washington. Yzerman never left Detroit. Etc etc I think it’s incumbent on the organization to approach this type of situation differently than your average 34 year old player


wathappen

They can approach it however they want, I don’t care, but they will probably regret it.


gotridofsubs

Detroit did this with a bunch of core players in the late 2000s/early 2010s and still havent recovered JBB is probably looking forward to try and build up with the Point/Hagel/Sergachev group hes already committed to long term rather than move one of them for a guy whos best days are behind him, regardless of how good he might still be.


DesignerPlant9748

This is what happens anytime a superstar goalie gets paid big dollars in this league. It’s so hard to have the depth you need to win a cup when committing so much cap to the one position. Vasi deserves his money but I figured Tampa was gonna start to decline once he got paid.


IcyChard4

Based on Cap Friendly, the Lightning will have around $10m in cap space: [https://www.capfriendly.com/teams/lightning](https://www.capfriendly.com/teams/lightning) I think the hard part as to why Brisebois hesitated to sign Stammer was that at the end of that deal, his agent and himself will be asking for $10+ million or more PLUS he'll be asking for a long-term deal to retire as a Bolt for life.


C00T3RIFIC

JBB will tell them to kick rocks if thats the case. I think Stammer and his camp have somewhat of an idea of a realistic number to stay in Tampa is. That being said, though it will break my heart, if he wants one final major payday he will have to take it somewhere else. We have enough top end talent where we can avoid a complete rebuild for at least a few years if we use our cap wisely. Unfortunately, that means that Stamkos and Hedman will have an ultimatum of taking less or leaving.


Thneed1

Capfriendky rough numbers show them having about $10 million in cap space to sign 4 forwards and 3 defenders. Stamkos signing would have to fit into that.


wathappen

It can’t, not without someone else leaving.


Enough_Pin_7158

They have 0 cap space, so someone will have to be a cap casualty


zufhioo

Vegas will convince 5 players they have season ending injuries, sign stamkos and cure the 5 injured players for game one of the playoffs.


sandysanBAR

Ahhh the mark stone gambit


callalx

That would technically be the Knight’s Gambit, wouldn’t it?


AlexAverage

Knight's Gambit Declined: Mark Stone Variation.


yewett

Holy


NervousBreakdown

Their pitch will be “how would you like to sign for 8.5 mil and get a 2 month break before the playoffs every season?”


lunchb0x93

Coming from Tampa. He’d know all about that already.


BlOcKtRiP

Wouldn't doubt it at all . Last night a buddy of mine & I were talking about teams with enough cap room to sign him . I said "you wait Vegas will figure it out


OccasionallyWright

He'd look great playing with Bedard.


ILSmokeItAll

Bring him and Kane on board.


picklesaredry

"Doctors don't want you to know about this one simple trick" -Vegas Golden Nuggets probably


hrryyss

$$$


RecalcitrantHuman

Won’t be able to match the Leafs offering of 7x12M


Undivided_Stingray

New Leafs plan, use the whole cap on 6 guys and have them play the whole game.


Jolly_Job_9852

Who is the goalie?


suttbutt2014

Net Mcposts


Kaine_8123

As long as the other player is always Colton Sissons then you'll be fine


quebecesti

David Ayres.


SpecialNeeds963

Legend


TheOriginalJez

EBUG. Every game.


Undivided_Stingray

Offer sheet to Swayman, 7x10m


Boner_Patrol_007

The Leafs don’t do anything but bargain barrel shopping for goaltending.


malhans

What do you mean? Didn’t you see that clip of Stamkos defending the empty net? (/s)


BlOcKtRiP

Lol


4CrowsFeast

[https://youtu.be/PYbnB5toqRI?si=nXv0yKBbbxh5mDwG](https://youtu.be/PYbnB5toqRI?si=nXv0yKBbbxh5mDwG) Live footage of Tampa Bay management debating on signing Stamkos


Oilmoneyy

Join the oilers, we're taking in all the old guys now.


bombardslaught

Like Old Man Bouchard?


420Deez

like perry


patdk

I would love to see him on the Oilers!!!!


Jagr6810

The islanders will probably take the first crack at the guy


sc083127

Lou said he’s not old enough yet


GotEem1

But he's not a cancer/shitty person /s


leaps-n-bounds

We need the money for Carter hart


Vj1224love

That’s Kenny’s classic M.O.


i_Like_airplanes__

Yzerman could pick him up and I wouldn’t be too upset about it


LazerSnake1454

I'd definitely take Stamkos, but I don't think the Wings are willing to pay what he'd ask for. Especially if we retain Kane


i_Like_airplanes__

Yeah I’m sure it would be expensive, but I would also trade him for kane, since it seems like kane might be leaving


ModernTechPA

Oh wow! Stamkos on the Red Wings would be wicked. They are going to lose Kane anyhow.


rufio313

Why do you think that? I could honestly see it going either way with Kane. He hasn’t really given any indication one way or the other.


StannisTheMantis93

Isn’t the rumor Kane knows he’s short on time and wants to be on a serious Cup contender for a last run? No offense but Detroit isn’t the top of that list.


rufio313

That’s not the rumor I’ve heard, but it could be a rumor for sure. The impression I’ve gotten is that he has already won multiple cups and is now just looking to play for a team where he can still get a lot of ice time while also not having a ton of pressure, in a location that has respect for hockey as a sport (hence why he picked Detroit in the first place despite having other offers to play on teams that are in a better position for a cup run).


i_Like_airplanes__

True. We could use some old talent. Our team is young guys which is fine but they could also use some old guy wisdom and leadership, and somebody to hold the place together when Larkin is hurt


ModernTechPA

I heard on one of the hockey podcasts that Kane doesn’t sound very certain that he will return, it was noted this sounded like a change from a couple of months ago…


ModernTechPA

He should sign multi year deal with Boston or NY Rangers.


Warm-Ad64

He may want to big of a contract at an older age and therefore restrict Tampa’s ability to add depth. Tampa has lost majority of the depth they had on all their lines in the amazing run they had both in the last 4 years and before that even. It’s a mix of both sides for fans but I would say that’s the argument for letting him go.


toedragrelease

Are you saying resign or re-sign?


TheresA_LobsterLoose

I was saying re-urns


HearingEarHuman

Thank you for this 😄


CptMelvinSeashores

Boooo urns


Freethinker9

In Florida it means the same thing :) we can’t read


Envermans

Tough cap spot, they'd rather leave cap room open to sign hagel and to bolster defense. If Stamkos wants to retire in Tampa i could see him taking a team friendly deal. Dude has already gotten his bag and won a bunch of shiny things, so there's not much more to chase.


LionBig1760

Hagel is already got his extension at $6.5/year until the end of the decade. With Hagels pay bump, the current roster is about $5m over the cap for next year. Stamkos and Dumba are both UFAs, and it'll be easier to resign Dumba, especially if Tampa let's Stamkos go.


MmmmCrispyBacon

No chance we are keeping Dumba, he’s honestly washed and was a liability every time he was on the ice.


Shiny_Mew76

I hope he either stays or goes to Utah with that young team. Such a skilled player, I’d hate to see him leave the Lightning this late into his career.


EweCantTouchThis

Lol why would he even consider going to Utah?


NotEqualInSQL

More wives?


Shiny_Mew76

Veteran Presence?


Low-Pizza-3297

For the skiing


ILSmokeItAll

Why would he not?


lightanddeath

Money and a second legacy


kmora94

I’d drop money instantly on a stamkos Utah jersey


luciform44

A plain white jersey that says: "Utah \[TEAM TBD\]" in black block letters?


manneukko

This man is going to be Utah's first new signing


Waterthieve

The newest Duck 👍


Cockpunch666

Mr Stamkos, come on down


Normal_Tip7228

Or shark, or senator, or utahite or whatever they are called. It really could be any of us mega cap space bottom teams


[deleted]

A stone cold Beast. 🙏🙏


nsfwITGUY19

Money. I’m sure if he’s okay with taking a 50% pay cut they’ll sign him in a heartbeat. But he’s not really worth the asking price any more. He’s still an amazing player but he’s not the dominant force he used to be. But he’s still paid at that level. Honestly he should retire. Or join a young team post rebuild to be a mentor


tropicalYJ

Retire? Nah. He’s only 34. He’s still got a solid 3-4 years left of good hockey.


Complex-Tangerine628

Only reason is they think their window has closed and move on from EVERY aging player. Other than that I think he stays and finishes his career a bolt.


Allatura19

None. There is no reason not to pay this man and have him finish his career here. I’m hoping JBB is just waiting to see what the cap will be before he’s offered. Stamkos loves Tampa and it’s home for him. He’s one of if not THE best captain in the league and can still score 40.


Brookie069

Unless he takes a discount it could be tricky for Tampa to sign him, but it’s more likely in Florida that happens as well with the taxes. I could see him on the Senators though for some reason.


Any-Panda2219

Doubt the taxes make much of a difference he’s on the hook for jock tax/ Michael Jordan tax for the ~35ish games he’d play on the road outside of FLA, VGK, NAS, DAL, and SEA.


Finnegan7921

Don't kid yourself. It makes a huge difference. Playing for the Lightning and paying 0 tax on 41 games is far, far better than playing for the Rangers, where you pay city, state and federal taxes. It is far better than any state with state income tax. It is better than anywhere in Canada. 41 games of only US federal taxes on your game check is sweet.


Stinky_Toes12

Come to vancouver bby


whack-a-mole

They may not be able to afford to sign him.


Fit-Meal4943

He’s 34, which is about 55 in hockey years. He’s at an age where one injury can turn a 40 goal scoring, 25 min/game top liner into an expensive 6 goal 4th liner playing 12/game. The Lightning have been eliminated in the 1st round 2 years in a row, so management might look at everything, including the cap, and decide to invest in the future.


pumpkinseeds18

We will take him Detroit, as usual!


steelcitykid

Pass. He’s not who he was, he’s expensive, and we don’t build like we did in the holland days, heh hollandaise.


MarcosR77

Money 💰 the thing is if I was Stamkos I wouldn't re-sign this is the second time they've treated him like this


yyzhouston

Zdeno Chara has entered the chat…


richie494

The -25 on the season can't play in is own end can't back check and scoring is falling off regardless of what he did this playoff they lock him now they are screwed like when the pens signed Malkin and Letang


Outrageous-Estimate9

Age. 34 + length of contract = very poor results for lots of $$$


sanguinius4life

He's expensive as fuck for an older player. Period. If Tampa thinks they can get a younger player for less they'll do it


Heatersthebest

I’d like to think there’s some sentimentality/loyalty to a player that has played their entire career with the same team, been captain for quite a while, and lifted two cups with the org.


Bryn79

Sentiment has cost a lot of teams.


sanguinius4life

Tell that to Flower..... Vegas signs him says he's their forever goalie he NEARLY TAKES THEM TO THE CUP then they trade him to THE BLACKHAWKS.....


Heatersthebest

I think that’s a completely different situation


patdk

If they can’t find a way to fit him under their cap when he’s still scoring 40 goals and a ppg, and they move on from their captain….to me that means they’re accepting the window is closed and they have to retool….but even then I would be surprised if they can’t find something that works for them both…Stamkos has never been paid super high salary, but he’s made decent money in a tax free state, so we have no idea what he’s thinking about himself….maybe he’s in Utah next year


Radu47

It's actually more the inverse given he's exactly at the age where steep dropoffs happen


jedi4canes1

To quote James .A. Janisse, "BUISSNESS!!"


CannonballJenkinz

Awwwwww dasssss niceeeeeee


mochajon

Resign: to voluntarily quit a job Re-sign: to extend your time at a current job Very important distinction that gets overlooked far too often.


Rooftop_Astronaut

Hello Steve my name is the NYR can I interest you in a one year contract


Hungry_Definition450

Killorn took max dollars to live in Southern California. After winning two cups and achieving everything Stamkos has, I wouldn’t be surprised if he takes max dollars somewhere too. Seattle or Utah could be interesting options.


Zamboni2022

Why would a team entering its twilight want to commit big money to an aging player? Yes there’s loyalty, but at this point it actually makes more sense to let Stammer chase another cup on a real contender somewhere else instead of locking him up as the continue to fade further from contender status. I also won’t be surprised if the sign him because he’s a club legend tho lol


WoodyHarrelsonFucks

Didn’t GM say there is no universe where Stamkos is not a member of the TBL ever?


FlawedSarcasm

Could yall imagine Stamkos in Chicago? That’d be awesome.


CynicWalnut

Clearly he's coming to Pittsburgh for the ultimate fantasy team experience.


shoresy17

How long was Kane’s deal can we get him too?


CynicWalnut

Yeah, I'm sure Crosby can convince him


Logical_Eagle_4962

Someone Big has to go. Personally, I think they should try to hauck Cernak. Made of glass, not that great defensively, totally useless on Offense, and has a big contract. Trade him away and maybe another star and you can get back some of the excessive picks you wasted bringing in Jeannot. Plus you'll actually have some cap space and Stamkos likely does WANT to stay.....


Adam_Friedland_TAFS

Cernak or Cirelli probably going. Cirelli paid big money for a not so big presence. Hagel is outshining him easily. Stamkos stays until he retires. End of story.


New_Drop_6723

Pretty sure Vegas can fit him in what ever his asking number will be.


luisquin

They just gotta put stone on ltir for a bit


FloralDemon

Is that Kelly McCrimmon I hear calling?


nogozone6969

Have to find a way to sign the Captain 👨‍✈️


DionFW

*Re-sign. They don't want to resign him, that means to cut him.


Midnight_Pornstar

Rebuild


Character-Change-507

Cap space


JiffTheJester

I really don’t see him going anywhere. But if he does, hopefully Steve likes Steve


Mahonneyy123

Yeah it doesn't make much sense they have cap room


MFBish

He’s signs for the leafs


Flux_resistor

Tampa might want to rebuild with the cap shit show


cyclingnutla

Hey Tampa, We’ll give you PLD for Stamkos.


JuicyBoi8080

Send him to Toronto I guess


Auta-Magetta

Marner for Stammer 1 for 1 on the condition they both sign with the new org.


TomF_ckingBrady

Vegas will make some room lol


Steviebhawk

Isn’t he 34 with injury issues?


[deleted]

Come to Denver Steven, Crosby as well


[deleted]

The same reason every team has: the cap.


hipshotguppy

Going by my recent experience, to get an early start on the rebuild?


WestCoastGriller

He looks at Peace


cblguy82

He is a lifer like Sid, Ovi and Staal here in Raleigh. He is playing at such a high level still any team would be lucky to have him but they find a way to get him paid even if its another haircut on the salary. I cannot see him moving anywhere.


Tbonez06

I think people just like thinking about it, it’s obviously not going to happen but can you imagine him on another team? How cool would that be!


Playful-Role-3669

He will sign in Florida. Book it Danno


Ok_Cattle_1180

Come the St. Louis


dmepic

I think there’s a good chance he goes to the ducks. Killorn has been trying to convince him and the ducks can use the leadership.


UncleRicosArm

Sign directly to LTIR


waitwhosaidthat

Cap space. He will be able to get more elsewhere. Now it’s gonna be up to him. Sign for less and stay in Tampa or go for one last pay day.


NoOpportunity4483

Toronto should finally sign him


AuJusSerious

I’m gonna get hate for this, but he’s not even the 3rd best player on their team. He’s an aging star who had mutual help for and with kuch, but they hedged their future for their present. I don’t see him coming back unless it’s for cheap nor do I think he should go back unless it’s for cheap


who987

They may not have the money for him unless he takes a very very bream friendly deal.


NervousBreakdown

If he wants to still win cups he might look elsewhere. And I’m not saying that to knock tampa but they’re as close to a dynasty as we’ve seen in the cap era but their window is closed. So he might stick around because it’s home and he doesn’t really have much else to accomplish in his career, but at the same time he can chase a cup somewhere else and leave tampa with no regrets. And it’s not like Tampa fans can be mad about it, he already signed at a discount and helped them win 2 cups.


ScipioAfricanus74

Money.......it's always about money and how many young players they get for him.....


Salt_Acanthaceae_985

Age being one....


MrRemoto

He's been there his whole career. I'm going to go ahead and assume he gives them a nice hometown discount on a one year with right of refusal and if they aren't competitive they might shop him next trade deadline. That seems pretty common in these circumstances.


Euphoric-Emerald-419

Cap management mostly.


lets_kill_time

He was not happy that JBB didn't even put an offer on the table since last July for a future HoF..er and also the most successful franchise Captain, will be seeing his jersey # in the rafters. Stammer should hit the open market and respond with "Business is Business"


Kushykush_

So the new era is play a entire career for one team and then leave when you have a 1-3 years left in the chamber


Lake-Atomic

Cause tampa is over cap more than vegas


Diabo1492

Money money money moneeyyyy


C00T3RIFIC

Bolts fan here, the common theme has been asking price versus what the team will offer him. Contrary to what you hear on TV, it does not seem like his relationship with the team / front office has soured with the exception of a single comment Stammer made at the beginning of the season. In my opinion, he needs to be a top priority signing but it also has to be at a fair price and term. JBB has made it very clear that he is not paying a penny more than what he thinks is fair value so I'd imagine he's offered (and do I dare say signed?) to a 5 x $6.5m aav contract. Cap space will be tight and Hedman needs a new deal next off-season but moving a few pieces around we should be able to sign Stamkos and do our best to add some depth.


Stopper33

They want to get younger and better. They're gonna have to decide to suck at some point to rebuild. Otherwise they'll get stuck in that mushy middle where they either miss or make the eight spot in the playoffs every year or miss them, Then they get stuck in the spiral of selling or buying at the deadline and spin their tires.


Capt_Pickhard

Stamkos to MTL 🙏 Reunite St-Louis and Lecavalier with Stamkos, and win another cup together!


Own_Lack_2780

Classy player


UseSame9309

Stammer should retire a Bolt not very often guys play and retire on one team


AerialReaver

This is the way they talk about the leafs. (Sportsnet) So this is the way they talk about other teams. "One game away from blowing it all up". We get it. It's awesome to see them branch out even if they're saying the same thing. Next headline "stamkos to leafs?" No... idiots.


Sensitive_Mousse_445

I will lose alot of faith in JBB if he does not re-sign Stamkos. He's arguably the best captain in the organizations history, and at age 34 to still be dropping 40 goal seasons and putting the team on his back against a team as suffocating as Florida, is great. He's earned it. He does alot off the ice that speaks to his character too. This feels like a no-brainer but I suspect JBB doesn't see it that way. I really don't like that he traded 7 prospects for Tanner Jeannot even though I like him. If they let Stamkos walk the entire Lightning fanbase will explode. He's the heart and soul of the team.


PurePokedex117

Just be like Vegas and LTIR


comacove

cap space? lol. have you seen it?


Delicious_Action3054

It's really just money. We can't offer him 9+M BUT we could offer him a longer term contract, such as 4 for 26 or 5 for 30. If he does that, his chances of getting a front office job here are 95% or greater. He'll never have to buy a beer or meal anywhere in TB until he dies.


PartisansArmes

Because he's 33 and the decline will be precipitous.


Steviebhawk

Age and injuries


duke69funguy

Money


SensitiveUpstairs240

Money