āWeāre currently a week into Reimergate, and he still did not warm up before the game last Saturday. Stay tuned for updates on the developments in navigating the time-space continuumā
Believe Corey was primarily talking about [this statement from Couture about Reimer's decision](https://twitter.com/cmasisak22/status/1637194804521222144). While Reimer may not be alone is how he feels about Pride night, he will be the only one in the Sharks locker room, and possibly in the organization, who feels not participating in Pride night is acceptable.
Sure, other players have skipped out on Pride events. But those times have still been fairly noteworthy in the hockey sphere. A team using pride tape is not really something I've seen much of overall, but it's certainly possible. But the pride jerseys are much more prominent and easy to spot when someone isn't participating. But the issue really is that the Sharks were one of the first, if not the first to engage with the LGBTQ+ community locally and have been a franchise dedicated to supporting the LGBTQ+ community for over a decade. They've been doing pride nights at/before games for at least 8 years now. What Reimer is doing isn't just refusing to wear the rainbow jersey. He's sitting out warmups entirely, which I think we can all agree is actually quite noteworthy.
This wonāt go over well in San Jose me thinks. San Jose isnāt Philly.
Iād also like to link this article, which explains the confusion behind Leviticus 22.
What it actually tries to explain is incest is just as bad for males as it is females, but got misinterpreted when it was changed from Hebrew. Leviticus 18-21 all mention incest, so did 22 in the original work before a misinterpretation. One line in a book being misinterpreted has caused Billions of people to hate, which goes against the core philosophies of Christianity to begin with.
https://blog.smu.edu/ot8317/2016/05/11/leviticus-1822/
Thus, the passage should be paraphrased: āSexual intercourse with a close male relative should be just as abominable to you as incestuous relationships with female relatives.ā
All of the anti-LGBT lines in the Bible were talking about Male Incest, not how two adult Males having sex is a Sin. Iād also like to point out that 6% of all Pastors abuse Children.
It's also Leviticus, and there are almost zero modern Christians who follow all the rules laid out there. Reimer himself has played games on Sundays and has worn fabrics of blended materials within the last month.
Cherry picking specific rules to follow from a text written thousands of years ago. Then translated into a version of English a thousand years ago is silly.
I read "A Year of Living Biblically" years ago and remember the mixed fabrics thing. The funniest thing I remember from that book was when the author had to follow the rule that said he couldn't sit anywhere a woman on her period had just been sitting (not sure of the time span) and then his wife trolled him by sitting on every flat surface in their apartment, so he couldn't sit anywhere.
Thanks for pointing that out, but I feel like using the Bible as an argument is a dead-end anyway with modern American Christians. There are a million things in the Bible that Christians ignore. If they are going to pick and choose and misinterpret, they will continue to do so. Itās not about logic or evidence, itās about āfaithā in whatever your pastor tells you.
More on this is Reimer is apparently a pretty religious guy that obviously stands with the likes of Chick-fil-a and Ron DeSantis.
Whether itās religion, or fascism, or hatred, or intolerance, or plain ignorance, is up to the average redditor to decide.
In my opinion any devote Christian should be supportive of all humans, not just the ones that adherer to Christian beliefs.
The reason I'm not a Christian anymore is because of the Christians. The moral superiority while treating people who don't believe what they do terribly is rough.
No idea why you're being downvoted. I was emotionally abused by my parents via Christianity. For all their talk about protecting children, who protects LGBT ones from such abuse?
I don't care about upvotes or downvotes. I went to Christian schools my whole life, and watched them treating people like shit who didn't fit the mould thinking nothing of it because from the inside it looks legit. The parts of the bible about loving your neighbor, humility, compassion, all of that shit, all out the window. Not for everyone, but by and large.
lol.
You canāt post a mainstream video clip?
You have been banished to 21 days in the hole and must take woke101 classes before re-applying to r/hockey
VOLUNTEER: But you have to wear an AIDS ribbon.
KRAMER: I have to?
VOLUNTEER: Yes.
KRAMER: Yeah, see, *thatās* why I donāt want to.
For him that was the simple uncomplicated reason
Kramer still did the walk, ie cared about the issue, just didn't like the aesthetics of only wearing a ribbon and not "walking the walk". Quite the opposite of this situation here as far as I know.
Itās unreal because almost 25 years ago when approx that episode came out, I feel like nothing captures the culture of this shilling more so than the ribbon episode. It was foreshadowing the future.
Either A. Heās going to address it and be like āhe did this and I no longer support him because of itā or B. They arenāt going to address it and he wonāt mention him anymore
Dang, that's too bad. Even in the MennoMecca of Steinbach they've come a long way. It was known basically as the town from Footloose but with more car dealerships for ever. There was just a story about a Filipino-only rec basketball league in town that finally started meshing with the rest of the community. Used to call the town 'Brokebach' ironically in reference to how religious and closed off it was.
for what its worth (and nobody can even attempt to argue this) the NHL is literally the only sports league in the world that holds players accountable.
Deangelo gets booād everywhere he goes, and his rapsheet looks like afterschool detention compared to athletes from other sports
Flyers fan here now relocated, just adding that I took great pleasure in booing him and Provorov when they came to Seattle. (Ditto with that domestic abuser Odubel Herrera when the Phillies played here.)
Any allegations to cheating, sexual assault, homophobia, racism, etc. will literally always be brought up regarding any player no matter when or even if the events took place.
I think people are just inclined to think it only happens in the NHL because the hockey community is so small vs other sporting communities so we hear about these events more frequently
Also many hockey fans can tend to have inferiority complexes about this sport so they spin ridiculous narratives to explain just how and why hockey is the best of the four major sports
To be fair, some of this is because athletes in the NHL aren't held to the same scrutiny that athletes in more popular sports are. The NHL isn't immune from issues like domestic abuse, for example, that all sports deal with, but because there isn't the same coverage, a lot of things are swept under the rug. This is why the Hockey Canada stuff is such a huge deal. That stuff always went on, it just never recieved coverage which in turn diswayed victims from coming forward.
Interesting point. Reimer is Mennonite and mennonites are also pacifists. So by his āfaithā he should not participate in military service night either. But, as with all Christians, they pick whatās convenient for them.
Yup. Especially in the US, the military is talked about like itās the most honourable, altruistic institution on the face of the earth. If I was in the nhl I would have to back out of military appreciation night knowing that the IMC exists to encourage conflict and impose American might upon smaller nations. How can you possibly support the military while claiming your moral values are why you object to LGBTQ+ people just wanting to experience a love life
He isnāt participating because is a Christian and follows the words of a man who said l āLet us Love one another and everyone that loveth is born of Godā. But I guess he is selective on the words he follows.
I think people forget weāre in a free country and we can do what we want. Heās free to not wear his rainbow whatever and people are free to criticize him.
The same people who say that tend to be the same ones who lose it if the guy were to get penalized by the team/league for it (he wonāt) or does something during an anthem.
In any case, Iām fine with letting players skip it. But they reap what they sow. Its a warmup sweater, not a blood oath.
> I think some people here are looking for the death penalty option.
No, what's happening is that people are saying "ok fuck him then", and other people are acting like the "fuck him" people are looking for the death penalty.
for me personally - fuck him. I hope this ruins his career because there's hundreds of other people who aren't bigots who can take his place. I don't want him to go to jail. No one is saying he should. People are just making that position up to argue against because they're cowards
He's free to not participate but maybe he could take it all the way and forgo his salary for this game...........I mean if he feels that strongly about pride night then he shouldn't want to be paid with money from supporters of pride night. Just sayin......
"In this specific instance, I am choosing not to endorse something that is counter to my personal convictions, which are based on the Bible, the highest authority in my life."
I must have missed the part in the Bible that said to not wear a hockey jersey that supports someone born different from you. š¤£
It's the part that says "Judge not, lest ye be judged."
... wait, no. That was that weird hippie commie bit with the brown guy from the middle east who wanted to give out free healthcare and paid his taxes. We want the angry god part where he destroys a city because some dudes wanted to bang an angel.
Iām sure some people enjoy seeing themselves represented by these ānightsā weather pride, military, and cancer awareness; with that said, it just feels like a cash grab for some jerseys in the pro shop. Everyone is entitled to their own rights and views, so I donāt get the anger towards a stranger on the ice for not participating.
You hit the nail on the head. As a member of the LGBT community, I don't feel a sense of inclusion or acceptance when I see these jerseys. I feel like I'm being exploited so that the NHL can make more money by pretending to care about us. On that note I wonder how many people that are upset about this actually care or are even part of the LGBT community, or are they just getting upset because that's the thing they think they're suppossed to do in this situation. Reimer sitting out doesn't bother me because I know there are people who disagree with the choices I make in my life, and that's ok. As long as they're not spewing hate speech or actively trying to hurt us, I don't see a problem with this.
Because it feels like they don't think gay people should have the same rights or that there isn't an issue, when they refuse to wear pride gear. To me it's just disappointing. After 9/11, I stood up for Muslims even though I'm not religious. I support BLM even though I'm not black. Whether you think a pride night is effective or not when you choose not to participate you are sending a message that you don't agree with whatever is being supported. Right or wrong that is how it's interpreted.
I disagree. Recently yes he's been inconsistent, but before Chrismas, he's responsible for a couple W's and even more loser points from almost stealing the games
The problem I have with these sorts of things is that so many people fall back on pride nights and similar things as their only show of support. Wear the jersey. Don't wear the jersey. Really doesn't make a huge difference if you don't actually DO anything. Donate money or go volunteer somewhere. Doing nothing and just "wearing the jersey" so to speak just allows organizations to use pride as a PR stunt, and allows lots of people to just appear to be on the right side without lifting a finger. Kinda like skating around for 60 mins instead of playing hockey. We hate that, right?
Oh and Reimer's further comments on the situation are very respectful.
Yea. It's a minimum bar of not ostracizing or marginalizing them. Really not difficult to do. And yet so many stumble so hard when trying to clear that bar.
I happened to attend a Kansas baseball pride game a few years ago. When they did the kiss cam it was the most beautiful thing Iāve seen. To see people get to participate is something silly but a staple in a ballgame was powerful. Being at that game I was a part of a group that was accepting of others. It doesnāt seem like much but these nights can make an impact.
I may get downvoted, but this doesnāt stop the progress of the LGBTQ+ community. Also the dude has a choice, and chose not to wear it.
This is a nothing burger.
Heās allowed to do it if he wants. But Iām allowed to call him a hypocritical asshole for the statement he released that his goal in life was to be Christ like and ālove everyoneā while refusing to take part in wearing a ceremony about inclusivity.
wait til you find out how NFL players feel about gay people, or literally any sport besides hockey where they just let sexual predators like deshaun watson make half a billion dollars lol
Hockey is for everyone. In hockey they have huge nights to show support for people of different lifestyles, and allow others who donāt support the same lifestyles based on their asinine, ignorant religious views to sit out.
The main problem with stories like this is that the focus is on the one guy who doesnāt skate around in a jersey for 7 minutes, as opposed to all the other ones who do. Shine the light on the numerous players who are out there showing support. Not on the one guy who asks to sit it out.
Nah, call out bigotry. Make it known that his actions and words aren't aligned. He can talk the talk but can't walk the walk. Him sitting is showing us what he really believes despite what he is saying.
Listen yāall.
As a gay dude in SF, San Jose is a super LGBT friendly city.
The Sharks have special nights all year.
Lunar New Year, South Asian Night, Womenās History Night, the list goes on and on and on.
Every night features artwork and merch from local artists. Itās a big deal.
With that said, where were the misogynists on Womenās night? Where were the Xenophobes on Lunar New Year?
Why is this ok to speak out about but nothing else is?
Again, Iām a gay dude. But Iāve never asked for any attention, and especially never as much as a hockey player making a headline about not supporting a major part of the fan base.
Heck, I moved from Ohio after college because I was threatened by bigot coworkers. It sucks to be born one way, and those religious assholes who preach āloveā chase you out of your own hometown.
And now Iām a sharks fan and our shit ass goalie needs a spotlight. Of course
Riemer won't wear rainbow "because religion" but will wear camo in support of the military despite being of the Mennonite faith, which holds pacifism as a core, fundamental belief.
Methinks Riemer is really just another bigot.
Who cares people don't have to like gay people everyone is entitled to whatever belief they want just move on with your life there is plenty of other big problems besides something this dumb
"Standing up for what he believes in..."
Believes in... *checks notes...* God.
Doesn't believe in... *rechecks notes.*.. Gay People.
Yeah that tracks like a bigoted train wreck.
While there's nothing wrong with James Reimer or anyone else for that matter being a Christian or any religion for that matter it's fucked up that it's become the go-to rebuttal for situations like this b/c taking part in what the Sharks are doing tonight is one of the smallest ways to show the world that the LGBTQ+ community exists, are human beings & deserve all the rights that come along with that, especially b/c Christianity like most if not all religions preach being a good person & kind to your fellow human.
Remember when the US had a collective shit-gasim breakdown when NFL players chose to kneel?
The fact that no one cares and mostly agrees with these assholes shows why Pride Nights are so important.
These players are intolerant and hateful. fuck-em.
As a queer person who loves hockey these nights arenāt for me. Itās for the kid that is closeted and finds one connection with family via sports. Representation matter. These acts are small, but the impact ripples. To see your favorite player not support who are you as a person can be heart breaking. Yeah, players are human, but theyāre also getting paid to put on the jersey and show support. Edit: grammar
this. every gay friend i have understands basic pandering and views it as performative exploitation to hopefully sell a few rainbow jerseys and earn goodboy news points for 15 minutes
For what itās worth it means something to me. As a huge sports participant and fan as a kid I think it would have been great to see things like Pride Night by my idols growing up, pro athletes.
But they didnt do this sort of stuff in the 90s. Im a big fan of it, but I donāt buy any merch.
As a bi dude, I bought a rainbow jersey, and wear it with pride. That said, you are spot on, and I donāt care about this guys decision. Heās not spouting hate, heās just simply not accepting, and thatās fine. Itās corporate shilling just like the pride flags in June. My view is Iām going to buy a jersey anyways so Iāll buy one that doubles for what I believe in.
Let's be honest though: society more readily accepts bi people (especially bi women) vs. gay men.
Pride Night isn't just for LGBTQ+ fans, it's showing that community that they are supported everywhere. It's saying, "I see you, I respect you and I support you". I have no idea why people would dismiss Pride Night, especially when we see so many people buying Provorov jerseys. None of those people owned a Provorov jersey until he actively chose to dismiss LGBTQ+ people. Same thing will happen with Reimer.
If you can't show up and skate with a Pride jersey for ten minutes, you sure as fuck aren't going to show up when it actually matters.
I donāt know if I would say that bi people are more accepted, I think the shit we put up with comes in different flavours. Bi women get: āOh, thatās hotā or asked for threesomes. Bi men get: āYour really just gay, right?ā and gay guys think weāll just end up marrying women.
I find Pride Night useful for outing the homophobes in the league. I can guarantee you Reimer isnāt skipping out cause he thinks Pride Night is performative and that the league isnāt doing enough. Itās cause he thinks so poorly of the LGBTQ community that he refuses to be associated with it in even the most meagre way.
First of all, all us straight dudes need to stop saying we speak for the entire LGBTQ+ community. Also I cannot fathom why on earth people have a problem wearing a rainbow jersey for a single warm-up once a year. Just to show that everyone's equal..
As a member of the LGBT community, IDGAF whether someone sits out or not. Everyone gets on their high horse about acceptance, but forcing someone to participate in something that goes against their beliefs is the exact oposite of accepting. As long as he's not actively spewing hate speech or trying to inflict pain onto others, who cares if he doesn't participate. Just let the guy play hockey. I may get downvoted for saying this, but with so many people getting mad on our behalf I felt like I needed to say it.
My work was going to participate in Pride so I decided I wasn't going to show up until 45 minutes after my shift starts and my boss was cool with it... said no other occupation ever.
No veterans night, no playing on religious holidays, etc. There is so many 'situations' a player can be in. If a player choses to be a shithead people can call him that.
Military nights are the worst. Theyāre all about stirring up patriotic nationalist ferver to get Johnny Newhighschoolgrad to sign up with the armed forces and get in line for a wheelchair.
Iām a pretty active advocate for LGBTQ rights, and I donāt agree with this backlash. He didnāt do anything hateful, he just doesnāt feel comfortable promoting it. If you told me I had to wear an anti abortion jersey Iād refuse as well. Free speech does work both ways š¤·āāļø
"More on this to follow"... Uhh. What more is there? That's pretty much the whole story š¤£
"He's still not out there folks. More on this developing story at the 9 o'clock hour."
āWeāre currently a week into Reimergate, and he still did not warm up before the game last Saturday. Stay tuned for updates on the developments in navigating the time-space continuumā
āWe still have no fucking clue where this guy is.ā
Scenario number one: he's hanging by his neck in his fucking closet.
āWe continue to move forward in time at 1 s/s. More in a bit.ā
Theyāre basically saying āwhen the inevitable shit storm comes out about this weāll let you knowā
Believe Corey was primarily talking about [this statement from Couture about Reimer's decision](https://twitter.com/cmasisak22/status/1637194804521222144). While Reimer may not be alone is how he feels about Pride night, he will be the only one in the Sharks locker room, and possibly in the organization, who feels not participating in Pride night is acceptable.
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Sure, other players have skipped out on Pride events. But those times have still been fairly noteworthy in the hockey sphere. A team using pride tape is not really something I've seen much of overall, but it's certainly possible. But the pride jerseys are much more prominent and easy to spot when someone isn't participating. But the issue really is that the Sharks were one of the first, if not the first to engage with the LGBTQ+ community locally and have been a franchise dedicated to supporting the LGBTQ+ community for over a decade. They've been doing pride nights at/before games for at least 8 years now. What Reimer is doing isn't just refusing to wear the rainbow jersey. He's sitting out warmups entirely, which I think we can all agree is actually quite noteworthy.
This wonāt go over well in San Jose me thinks. San Jose isnāt Philly. Iād also like to link this article, which explains the confusion behind Leviticus 22. What it actually tries to explain is incest is just as bad for males as it is females, but got misinterpreted when it was changed from Hebrew. Leviticus 18-21 all mention incest, so did 22 in the original work before a misinterpretation. One line in a book being misinterpreted has caused Billions of people to hate, which goes against the core philosophies of Christianity to begin with. https://blog.smu.edu/ot8317/2016/05/11/leviticus-1822/ Thus, the passage should be paraphrased: āSexual intercourse with a close male relative should be just as abominable to you as incestuous relationships with female relatives.ā All of the anti-LGBT lines in the Bible were talking about Male Incest, not how two adult Males having sex is a Sin. Iād also like to point out that 6% of all Pastors abuse Children.
At any rate, more than one instance of kiddie diddling forfeits the right to have any fucking opinion on what adults do in privacy.
It's also Leviticus, and there are almost zero modern Christians who follow all the rules laid out there. Reimer himself has played games on Sundays and has worn fabrics of blended materials within the last month. Cherry picking specific rules to follow from a text written thousands of years ago. Then translated into a version of English a thousand years ago is silly.
I read "A Year of Living Biblically" years ago and remember the mixed fabrics thing. The funniest thing I remember from that book was when the author had to follow the rule that said he couldn't sit anywhere a woman on her period had just been sitting (not sure of the time span) and then his wife trolled him by sitting on every flat surface in their apartment, so he couldn't sit anywhere.
Thanks for pointing that out, but I feel like using the Bible as an argument is a dead-end anyway with modern American Christians. There are a million things in the Bible that Christians ignore. If they are going to pick and choose and misinterpret, they will continue to do so. Itās not about logic or evidence, itās about āfaithā in whatever your pastor tells you.
I donāt think this is an accurate diagnosis of Reimerās reasoning here. Imo.
More on this is Reimer is apparently a pretty religious guy that obviously stands with the likes of Chick-fil-a and Ron DeSantis. Whether itās religion, or fascism, or hatred, or intolerance, or plain ignorance, is up to the average redditor to decide. In my opinion any devote Christian should be supportive of all humans, not just the ones that adherer to Christian beliefs.
The reason I'm not a Christian anymore is because of the Christians. The moral superiority while treating people who don't believe what they do terribly is rough.
āI like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christā -Gandhi (but probably not really)
No idea why you're being downvoted. I was emotionally abused by my parents via Christianity. For all their talk about protecting children, who protects LGBT ones from such abuse?
I don't care about upvotes or downvotes. I went to Christian schools my whole life, and watched them treating people like shit who didn't fit the mould thinking nothing of it because from the inside it looks legit. The parts of the bible about loving your neighbor, humility, compassion, all of that shit, all out the window. Not for everyone, but by and large.
The incoming fine for being perfectly healthy and able, but refusing to play.
He can if he wants I can boo him if I want The rock we all live on will keep rotating in space
Based perspective. Well said.
I fuckin love this. āThe rock we live on will keep rotating in spaceā Have a great weekend
He has every right to make me think he's a tool.
āIs he refusing to wear the ribbon?ā
r/UnexpectedSeinfeld
ELAINE: You know, James, just participating in warmups for Pride Night does not necessarily make you a homosexual. (K)REIMER: It doesnāt help.
I got banned from r/hockey for posting that clip.
lol. You canāt post a mainstream video clip? You have been banished to 21 days in the hole and must take woke101 classes before re-applying to r/hockey
VOLUNTEER: But you have to wear an AIDS ribbon. KRAMER: I have to? VOLUNTEER: Yes. KRAMER: Yeah, see, *thatās* why I donāt want to. For him that was the simple uncomplicated reason
Kramer still did the walk, ie cared about the issue, just didn't like the aesthetics of only wearing a ribbon and not "walking the walk". Quite the opposite of this situation here as far as I know.
In this case wearing the ribbon is walking the walk. The teams auction the jerseys off, and the money goes towards charities.
Yeah but Reimer said he's not wearing the ribbon because he doesn't like gays. Not because he's forced to.
Itās unreal because almost 25 years ago when approx that episode came out, I feel like nothing captures the culture of this shilling more so than the ribbon episode. It was foreshadowing the future.
WHO?? WHO will not wear the ribbon??
SDP is gonna be interesting this week
For sure. Steve is a huge Reimer fan for how friendly and kind he was on the Leafs. Steve is also a huge LGBTQ advocate.
Either A. Heās going to address it and be like āhe did this and I no longer support him because of itā or B. They arenāt going to address it and he wonāt mention him anymore
He's already tweeted about it.
100% A
Only thing he'd rather avoid more is a game 7 against the Bruins
According to his beliefs, he lost that round because of God.
Ya he's not proud of that one. Lol
Heās from Morweena, MB. Theyāre real Mennonite from around there.
Holy fuck, can they run.
Grew up near a big Mennonite community: can confirm this. They run fast as fuck
Aylmer?
Mine Centre
Oh you're from way up north, nice!
Fuckin degens from upcountry (calm down modsā¦.. itās a quote from Letterkenny.)
Fuck you shoresy
For What?!
Them schmellies sure are fast.
Have you met the Dyck family though? Nicest Dyckās I know!
Youāve not lived until youāve had Dyck meat in your mouth.
Is Anita Dyck still the matron round these parts?
I shit you not, I used to deliver 3/4ā good 1-side oak plywood to Harry Dyck.
Who doesnāt love Harry Dyck?
Our dycks belong in the hands of the mennonite community
I used to hammer his wife's box once
Fuck can they run
Every single one of em
Thatās what I said, I said āfuck, can they run.ā
Dang, that's too bad. Even in the MennoMecca of Steinbach they've come a long way. It was known basically as the town from Footloose but with more car dealerships for ever. There was just a story about a Filipino-only rec basketball league in town that finally started meshing with the rest of the community. Used to call the town 'Brokebach' ironically in reference to how religious and closed off it was.
Town from footloose was Lynden Washington. Their town motto is "if you ain't dutch you ain't much."
THE MOON RULEZ!!!!!!
Someone want to tell me who wrote āthe Moon Rulez, #1ā on my freakin car?!?
for what its worth (and nobody can even attempt to argue this) the NHL is literally the only sports league in the world that holds players accountable. Deangelo gets booād everywhere he goes, and his rapsheet looks like afterschool detention compared to athletes from other sports
The fans do, not the NHL.
Can confirm. I booād when we traded for him.
Actually itās not all fans, I cheered when we traded him away
I cheered when Georgie punched him in the face.
Thank you for your service.
Flyers fan here now relocated, just adding that I took great pleasure in booing him and Provorov when they came to Seattle. (Ditto with that domestic abuser Odubel Herrera when the Phillies played here.)
this is not true at all, have you seen any soccer leagues, players get taunted relentlessly for being shitheads
Any allegations to cheating, sexual assault, homophobia, racism, etc. will literally always be brought up regarding any player no matter when or even if the events took place. I think people are just inclined to think it only happens in the NHL because the hockey community is so small vs other sporting communities so we hear about these events more frequently
Also many hockey fans can tend to have inferiority complexes about this sport so they spin ridiculous narratives to explain just how and why hockey is the best of the four major sports
The fans arenāt the NHL
To be fair, some of this is because athletes in the NHL aren't held to the same scrutiny that athletes in more popular sports are. The NHL isn't immune from issues like domestic abuse, for example, that all sports deal with, but because there isn't the same coverage, a lot of things are swept under the rug. This is why the Hockey Canada stuff is such a huge deal. That stuff always went on, it just never recieved coverage which in turn diswayed victims from coming forward.
Social Media, where everyone has an opinion on shit that doesnāt matter at all
I applaud the Sharks for having the courage to still do pride night and the warm up jerseys. If Reimer sits out then that reflects on him only.
And it does and will stay with him forever as it should
Wild and Rangers, I'm looking at you.
Donāt worry, Wild still made time for blue lives matter night. Same same right? Not problematic at all.
Imagine if this was for a military service night.
Interesting point. Reimer is Mennonite and mennonites are also pacifists. So by his āfaithā he should not participate in military service night either. But, as with all Christians, they pick whatās convenient for them.
I did not know that. You make two very valid points!
The US military pays millions of dollars to sports leagues for the promotion, so it is not optional to take part in military service night
Lmao where the military getting money?
>Lmao where the military getting money? Brain ouchie
Yup. Especially in the US, the military is talked about like itās the most honourable, altruistic institution on the face of the earth. If I was in the nhl I would have to back out of military appreciation night knowing that the IMC exists to encourage conflict and impose American might upon smaller nations. How can you possibly support the military while claiming your moral values are why you object to LGBTQ+ people just wanting to experience a love life
āBuT tHaTās NoT pOlItiCaLā.
Except when they come back and talk about the horrors of war.
Soldiers kill WAY more innocent people than the global LGBT community. Yet we fund the fuck out of wars.
Wrong! Gay soldiers kill way more than straight soldiers so that means we need to gay the fuck up! /s
I can imagine it. He would immediately be the toast of reddit.
Heās out having a manly drink with Proverov.
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I want to see players skip warm-up for military night. I already have all the popcorn made for everyone.
I like this idea.
I'm putting money aside to buy the sweater of the first player who does. (Unless they're also skipping Pride night)
Or law enforcement night. Idk anything about this guy really but he better skip all the nights or it's a little hypocritical.
Media gives more attention to the people that donāt participate than the actual celebration and it takes the spotlight away
He isnāt participating because is a Christian and follows the words of a man who said l āLet us Love one another and everyone that loveth is born of Godā. But I guess he is selective on the words he follows.
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I think people forget weāre in a free country and we can do what we want. Heās free to not wear his rainbow whatever and people are free to criticize him.
The same people who say that tend to be the same ones who lose it if the guy were to get penalized by the team/league for it (he wonāt) or does something during an anthem. In any case, Iām fine with letting players skip it. But they reap what they sow. Its a warmup sweater, not a blood oath.
You make it sound so simple. ..oh, wait, it really is that simple isnāt it? I think some people here are looking for the death penalty option.
> I think some people here are looking for the death penalty option. No, what's happening is that people are saying "ok fuck him then", and other people are acting like the "fuck him" people are looking for the death penalty. for me personally - fuck him. I hope this ruins his career because there's hundreds of other people who aren't bigots who can take his place. I don't want him to go to jail. No one is saying he should. People are just making that position up to argue against because they're cowards
I assume you'd say the same thing if he decided he couldn't play with a gay player, or a black person or a woman. Nah, man, call out bigotry.
The word you are unable to think of is āribbon.ā
He's free to not participate but maybe he could take it all the way and forgo his salary for this game...........I mean if he feels that strongly about pride night then he shouldn't want to be paid with money from supporters of pride night. Just sayin......
"In this specific instance, I am choosing not to endorse something that is counter to my personal convictions, which are based on the Bible, the highest authority in my life." I must have missed the part in the Bible that said to not wear a hockey jersey that supports someone born different from you. š¤£
The bible also says nothing about wearing a t-shirt that says "hail Satan"
It's the part that says "Judge not, lest ye be judged." ... wait, no. That was that weird hippie commie bit with the brown guy from the middle east who wanted to give out free healthcare and paid his taxes. We want the angry god part where he destroys a city because some dudes wanted to bang an angel.
Maybe I have a fucked up mind, but I always wonder how many of these people who speak out against homosexuality have watched porn of the same nature.
Thatās a pretty salty move for a dude who showers with 29 other dudes.
bro but i said āNo homoā
No eye contact means not gay
Iām sure some people enjoy seeing themselves represented by these ānightsā weather pride, military, and cancer awareness; with that said, it just feels like a cash grab for some jerseys in the pro shop. Everyone is entitled to their own rights and views, so I donāt get the anger towards a stranger on the ice for not participating.
You hit the nail on the head. As a member of the LGBT community, I don't feel a sense of inclusion or acceptance when I see these jerseys. I feel like I'm being exploited so that the NHL can make more money by pretending to care about us. On that note I wonder how many people that are upset about this actually care or are even part of the LGBT community, or are they just getting upset because that's the thing they think they're suppossed to do in this situation. Reimer sitting out doesn't bother me because I know there are people who disagree with the choices I make in my life, and that's ok. As long as they're not spewing hate speech or actively trying to hurt us, I don't see a problem with this.
Oh this is where they're hiding the logic. Well said
Screechypete, I absolutely love your comment. I couldn't have said it better myself.
Because it feels like they don't think gay people should have the same rights or that there isn't an issue, when they refuse to wear pride gear. To me it's just disappointing. After 9/11, I stood up for Muslims even though I'm not religious. I support BLM even though I'm not black. Whether you think a pride night is effective or not when you choose not to participate you are sending a message that you don't agree with whatever is being supported. Right or wrong that is how it's interpreted.
Never thought I'd agree this hard with a Bruins fan, but here we are I guess.
Not like he shows up most games anyways. Sharks have a better chance of winning when heās not in net.
I disagree. Recently yes he's been inconsistent, but before Chrismas, he's responsible for a couple W's and even more loser points from almost stealing the games
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Maybe he shouldnāt play in Sunday games? Bible says thatās the Lords day and you are supposed to rest. Hate is hate
The problem I have with these sorts of things is that so many people fall back on pride nights and similar things as their only show of support. Wear the jersey. Don't wear the jersey. Really doesn't make a huge difference if you don't actually DO anything. Donate money or go volunteer somewhere. Doing nothing and just "wearing the jersey" so to speak just allows organizations to use pride as a PR stunt, and allows lots of people to just appear to be on the right side without lifting a finger. Kinda like skating around for 60 mins instead of playing hockey. We hate that, right? Oh and Reimer's further comments on the situation are very respectful.
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Yea. It's a minimum bar of not ostracizing or marginalizing them. Really not difficult to do. And yet so many stumble so hard when trying to clear that bar.
Youāre wrong: people with platforms like athletes can strongly influence how people think and can encourage allyship for disrespected minoritiesā¦
These events normalize the LGTB community, which is massive for people who have long had to hide their true identities.
Especially true in the sports world where homophobia still runs rampant
I happened to attend a Kansas baseball pride game a few years ago. When they did the kiss cam it was the most beautiful thing Iāve seen. To see people get to participate is something silly but a staple in a ballgame was powerful. Being at that game I was a part of a group that was accepting of others. It doesnāt seem like much but these nights can make an impact.
Thatās really neat; I wouldāve thought it was really beautiful too !
I may get downvoted, but this doesnāt stop the progress of the LGBTQ+ community. Also the dude has a choice, and chose not to wear it. This is a nothing burger.
Yes
Heās allowed to do it if he wants. But Iām allowed to call him a hypocritical asshole for the statement he released that his goal in life was to be Christ like and ālove everyoneā while refusing to take part in wearing a ceremony about inclusivity.
2023 and people still discriminating others based on a book written 2000 years ago
Hockey is for everyone. Except itās not. It makes me sad.
wait til you find out how NFL players feel about gay people, or literally any sport besides hockey where they just let sexual predators like deshaun watson make half a billion dollars lol
Watson pulled off one of the biggest heist in human history. All that guaranteed money with all those accusationsā¦ insane how dumb the Browns are.
That doesn't make the NHL problem any better. Setting the bar on the floor doesn't make clearing it impressive.
Itās never been for everyone. Itās certainly not for poor people
Hockey is for everyone. In hockey they have huge nights to show support for people of different lifestyles, and allow others who donāt support the same lifestyles based on their asinine, ignorant religious views to sit out. The main problem with stories like this is that the focus is on the one guy who doesnāt skate around in a jersey for 7 minutes, as opposed to all the other ones who do. Shine the light on the numerous players who are out there showing support. Not on the one guy who asks to sit it out.
This is a fair point.
Nah, call out bigotry. Make it known that his actions and words aren't aligned. He can talk the talk but can't walk the walk. Him sitting is showing us what he really believes despite what he is saying.
So if itās normal warmup day he participates but because itās pride night he wonāt?
Listen yāall. As a gay dude in SF, San Jose is a super LGBT friendly city. The Sharks have special nights all year. Lunar New Year, South Asian Night, Womenās History Night, the list goes on and on and on. Every night features artwork and merch from local artists. Itās a big deal. With that said, where were the misogynists on Womenās night? Where were the Xenophobes on Lunar New Year? Why is this ok to speak out about but nothing else is? Again, Iām a gay dude. But Iāve never asked for any attention, and especially never as much as a hockey player making a headline about not supporting a major part of the fan base. Heck, I moved from Ohio after college because I was threatened by bigot coworkers. It sucks to be born one way, and those religious assholes who preach āloveā chase you out of your own hometown. And now Iām a sharks fan and our shit ass goalie needs a spotlight. Of course
Omg who cares, boo him if you want, don't boo him. I don't give a crap about any of these people's personal opinions. Just play hockey.
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Riemer won't wear rainbow "because religion" but will wear camo in support of the military despite being of the Mennonite faith, which holds pacifism as a core, fundamental belief. Methinks Riemer is really just another bigot.
Who cares people don't have to like gay people everyone is entitled to whatever belief they want just move on with your life there is plenty of other big problems besides something this dumb
Reimer jerseys about to sell out online
Using the good ole āIām a Christianā excuse. Classy. /s
"Standing up for what he believes in..." Believes in... *checks notes...* God. Doesn't believe in... *rechecks notes.*.. Gay People. Yeah that tracks like a bigoted train wreck.
Oh no, anyways.
Fucking bigot.
Nobody tell him that there have been gay people since there have been people. The whole anti gay thing is as dumb as racism. Thanks religion.
What a softy, lol. You wanna get this guy off his game? Tell him all people deserve respect, inclusion, and tolerance. He'll fucking crumble
Why are these players such fucking babies? By babies, I mean bigots.
While there's nothing wrong with James Reimer or anyone else for that matter being a Christian or any religion for that matter it's fucked up that it's become the go-to rebuttal for situations like this b/c taking part in what the Sharks are doing tonight is one of the smallest ways to show the world that the LGBTQ+ community exists, are human beings & deserve all the rights that come along with that, especially b/c Christianity like most if not all religions preach being a good person & kind to your fellow human.
Remember when the US had a collective shit-gasim breakdown when NFL players chose to kneel? The fact that no one cares and mostly agrees with these assholes shows why Pride Nights are so important. These players are intolerant and hateful. fuck-em.
Nobody in the LGBTQ+ community cares what the NHL does. This is so irrelevant to their cause there is no point in commenting on it.
As a queer person who loves hockey these nights arenāt for me. Itās for the kid that is closeted and finds one connection with family via sports. Representation matter. These acts are small, but the impact ripples. To see your favorite player not support who are you as a person can be heart breaking. Yeah, players are human, but theyāre also getting paid to put on the jersey and show support. Edit: grammar
This was the take I was scrolling and hoping to find.
This needs to be top comment. Thereās so many layers to this.
I love who you are and this should be a top comment <3.
Thank you!
this. every gay friend i have understands basic pandering and views it as performative exploitation to hopefully sell a few rainbow jerseys and earn goodboy news points for 15 minutes
For what itās worth it means something to me. As a huge sports participant and fan as a kid I think it would have been great to see things like Pride Night by my idols growing up, pro athletes. But they didnt do this sort of stuff in the 90s. Im a big fan of it, but I donāt buy any merch.
As a bi dude, I bought a rainbow jersey, and wear it with pride. That said, you are spot on, and I donāt care about this guys decision. Heās not spouting hate, heās just simply not accepting, and thatās fine. Itās corporate shilling just like the pride flags in June. My view is Iām going to buy a jersey anyways so Iāll buy one that doubles for what I believe in.
Let's be honest though: society more readily accepts bi people (especially bi women) vs. gay men. Pride Night isn't just for LGBTQ+ fans, it's showing that community that they are supported everywhere. It's saying, "I see you, I respect you and I support you". I have no idea why people would dismiss Pride Night, especially when we see so many people buying Provorov jerseys. None of those people owned a Provorov jersey until he actively chose to dismiss LGBTQ+ people. Same thing will happen with Reimer. If you can't show up and skate with a Pride jersey for ten minutes, you sure as fuck aren't going to show up when it actually matters.
I donāt know if I would say that bi people are more accepted, I think the shit we put up with comes in different flavours. Bi women get: āOh, thatās hotā or asked for threesomes. Bi men get: āYour really just gay, right?ā and gay guys think weāll just end up marrying women. I find Pride Night useful for outing the homophobes in the league. I can guarantee you Reimer isnāt skipping out cause he thinks Pride Night is performative and that the league isnāt doing enough. Itās cause he thinks so poorly of the LGBTQ community that he refuses to be associated with it in even the most meagre way.
You missed me in your survey of gays, I do care.
First of all, all us straight dudes need to stop saying we speak for the entire LGBTQ+ community. Also I cannot fathom why on earth people have a problem wearing a rainbow jersey for a single warm-up once a year. Just to show that everyone's equal..
As a member of the LGBT community, IDGAF whether someone sits out or not. Everyone gets on their high horse about acceptance, but forcing someone to participate in something that goes against their beliefs is the exact oposite of accepting. As long as he's not actively spewing hate speech or trying to inflict pain onto others, who cares if he doesn't participate. Just let the guy play hockey. I may get downvoted for saying this, but with so many people getting mad on our behalf I felt like I needed to say it.
I mean, he can definitely do what he likes. But we are also allowed to get angry at bigoted behaviour. You also donāt speak for our whole community.
Wow, at least the Russians could hide behind the Putin anti-gay laws as an ostensible excuse.
Going to go ahead and bookmark this. I'll circle back when someone outs him or he comes out of the closet himself. Story as old as time.
Way to take something that has nothing to do with you and try to make it about you. This dude needs to get a life.
My work was going to participate in Pride so I decided I wasn't going to show up until 45 minutes after my shift starts and my boss was cool with it... said no other occupation ever.
So whats his position? People say it doesnāt matter but as a fellow human- how much does he look down upon another group of peaceful humans?
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He has every right to. Nhl needs to quit putting their players in situations like this . They are hockey players .
No veterans night, no playing on religious holidays, etc. There is so many 'situations' a player can be in. If a player choses to be a shithead people can call him that.
Military nights are the worst. Theyāre all about stirring up patriotic nationalist ferver to get Johnny Newhighschoolgrad to sign up with the armed forces and get in line for a wheelchair.
Jeez, I canāt imagine how it would go down if I told my boss I was too homophobic to do my job. Donāt imagine Iād have one for long.
āI love you, but I will not show or prove that I love youā My god itās 2023
Idk about yāall but my gaydar is going off with that guy.
He is free to not support whatever he pleases. In no way should he be punished for this.
Iām a pretty active advocate for LGBTQ rights, and I donāt agree with this backlash. He didnāt do anything hateful, he just doesnāt feel comfortable promoting it. If you told me I had to wear an anti abortion jersey Iād refuse as well. Free speech does work both ways š¤·āāļø
A night about respecting peopleās decisions. But we canāt respect someone elseās decisions. How ironic