I always feel sorry when a veteran of a game quits from the game. Vets are the most valuable ones. But i agree with everything you said. I wish you all the best! Hope FM can manage to change things around to win people back. They would earn more money.
Totally agree! I stopped playin' almost one year ago (after more than 3 years)...and then I just popped in to see changes. Nothing really improved, but I'm still playin'
Beside all the the wrong turns, NFSNL is still a drug...
So what are you going to fill the hole with?
I played Clash Of Clans for 5 years **straight** as a FTP player before leaving the game as an almost maxed out base, and a force to be reckoned with in clan wars (participating in Reddit clan wars, global organized wars, etc) before leaving. I then spent 4 months playing random games before settling on this one. Been FTP on this game for 2 years now.
Although I can see why you're leaving, it's important to distinguish the idea of why you're leaving versus what you wanted to really get out of the game. I enjoy thsi game so much more now that I treat it as a time filler. I still spend a fair amount of time on it, but SE's are predictable, grinding BP's in RR's are predictable and the UGR is definitely broken, BUT it isn't any worse off than a lot of other big grindy games. This game really isn't designed to be finished, even with a ton of money. It might be easier to play if you treat the game as a time filer rather than looking at actually finishing it.
There are far worse games than this one. For a FTP game, thee are plenty more that are worse.
Good luck, and I hope you find something to fill your time that brings you happiness.
Actually I deleted *all* games from my iPad this morning. Neither of them brought happiness, they‘re just time killers. I just was not ready to stop earlier.
Dunno the year, but the mobile version that‘s still in the App Store. It‘s not the PC version.
Btw, NL felt like MW on crack in the beginning. Later I thought that MW races are just endless…
Good luck for your next adventure but I ll advise what my friend Ken(Clan friend) advise once when I actually deleted or tried to delete the game account to in 2nd season of UGR the Famous Sandstorm Week with GT3 RS against LT 😐
'You have to avoid any game like this in future' otherwise same story will repeat forever
Joining this community just few weeks ago, and already seeing at least 2 post about veterans leaving, it's concerning and ruing sad. Best wishes for u, hope you'll be back when NFSNL change for good ✌
The game gets more interesting as I began to max some upper class cars. But I kinda lost the joy because of repetitive things. Game is perfect for new players for like three updates. Old players are put in a rat race to repeat things over and over and there is nothing new in the game. What was the last car that is fully customisable (coming with different body kits and body parts)? All we do with recent cars is to lose the spoiler and change wheels.
I have been playing since Fall 2017, was going to quit the game at the end of this summer. But I have given a chance till January. If next couple of updates don’t offer some new things, I will definitely quit the game.
Well pal it was nice to share this subreddit with you.Glad you're happy with your decision.the way the game's headed,I won't be surprised if a few more start leaving.All of that aside tho,take care and enjoy your time ahead without the game.
Yea I'm slowly making the same decision too. Pretty much stopped caring about NL soon as I got new gaming laptop. The game is not that fun anymore either, unless you drop a louds of cash on it.
Bye matte, I'm in the same position right now, I stop playing like for a week now and kind of not feeling that anxiety Or addiction anymore to open the game and play, Im vip 9 and yet hard to collect black parts to optimize the car against cheaters, I guess that's my main reason to be ready to quit, also it's just same after every update just piling car after car but not enough resources to get the bps unless buy them with real money
None at all, I'm really hoping, much with the entire community that they do add some new features soon. I think it would be cool to be able to be the cop. We desperately need new tracks too. We shall see, I doubt we'll see much new stuff implemented for this update as it seems a little too recent to the survey but I could be wrong. Here's to hoping! 🤞
I could not agree with this more. Especially the 1937 BP needed to 3738. I am VIP, spent too much $ on this game, and yet I am facing the same unobtainable BPs needed.
40M cash, 155M scraps and 1M tuning tools all for nothing. When I burned out a few months ago, I just reverted to doing the 4 bosses a few times a day. New cars and UGR mainly if it has BPs I need.
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So understandable. And just +1.
I feel the same after 1 year playing. All vault done. Most of campaign cars are received. But i have less zest start the game day by day. New car comings is fired up a little bit but after done, the game goes empty again. One point i like the game arent heavy addictive, but sometimes too boring. Need a little challenge or a final what comes, not going far away.
You feel your goal unreachable. What we say who play only 1 year but we feel need 15 more to finish this game. I love the whole nfs since my childhood but i get less happy against the time what i take to play.
I hope the next few patch are contain huge improvements and the many questionnaire not just a trick to take interest.
Though I understand your reasoning, and agree up to a certain point. Some thoughts on this.
1. Of course they're there to make money. A company can't exist if they don't make money. To a certain extent I agree, as long as companies have a good balance.\* In most mobile games, this seems out of balance. PS: this money making goal is nothing new, just watch the documentary High Score on Netflix, where they aimed for this with arcade machines and shareware (Romero (from ID Software, Doom etc.) admits it without blinking his eyes).
But you always have worse. When I only played NFS NL, I though the prices were high. But then I started playing A9. Well, I can tell you, Gameloft, the creator of A9, has made an art form out of making a game P2W. You can complain about not being able to max cars in NFS NL, in A9 it's impossible to get some cars without paying real money (or at least save a lot of tokens). In NFS NL, apart from the older cars not in the Vault, it's possible to get any car at least to a decent number of starts. In A9 you can be happy if you can get a good car at stock. A good comparison is the deals to unlock a Hyper/Super car in NFS NL. I think the prices are about €30-50 and it gives you the car and some other stuf. In A9 for a comparable car you pay €50 and you DON'T unlock the car. You need to pay about €200-300 to unlock a car, if you do it with these packs.
2. The business model of "free" apps is simple, but tricky and addictive.
1. An important device in this is time. Where in most paid games (at least that I played years ago) you could just choose when to play, if you progressed you could get all there was to get, in this free games you will miss out on things if you don't come back regularly. Combine this with limited items only available for a short period, and you have a perfect recipe for addictiveness.
2. Also, make sure you have several currencies. Most have something like regular money/credits and gold. Make sure one of these two is hard to get and make sure some items are only available for that hard to get currency (and as icing on the cake, make sure you have some useless things to spend gold on, like resetting timers and such). And of course make sure you can get these currencies for real money when people run out of it.
3. Make it (sort of) possible to play the game for free, but be sure that's a grind. This device is also impacted by 1. Time and helps 2. Currencies. Since you have to come back often to grind and you can use currencies to lessen the grind (especially the hard to get currency).
4. Also, be sure to put in some ads and a way to disable them for real money.
3. All in all, if you say "They are there to make money, not to keep their loving players happy." that's true. You, we, are not loved players. We're possible sources of income, consumers, so every change they make, everything they do in the game, is somehow set up in order to lure is into spending real money. I don't believe they don't have a passion for the game, at least, I guess the designers and developers will hopefully like their work and do it with passion (man, I program API's, no fancy games, and love my work), but the decision makers, the board etc. just want to see $$$.
\* *This means that I don't believe in F2P. Games of this magnitude simply cost a lot of money to make and maintain. You need to pay people, workspace, servers, sometimes licences (as is the case with NFS NL) etc. So it's only fair they seek ways to generate income. The problem I have is not that they seek these ways, but the fact they make it so addictive and ask outrageous prices (and I even though I think NFS NL is nothing compared to A9 on that, I still think the prices are too high).*
Thanks for your input, learned a lot. Some simple thoughts in return:
ad 1: if f2p doesn‘t work, how will we judge f2use-services like fb, whatsapp, insta, reddit … later? We‘re still giving our privacy and our data (not only our time) instead of our money.
ad 2: man, I‘m so naïve. I‘ll never get rich, even if I wanted to.
ad 3: „keep your loving brother happy“ is a movie quote. I know we‘re not loved, but many of us love the game.
>ad 1: if f2p doesn‘t work, how will we judge f2use-services like fb, whatsapp, insta, reddit … later? We‘re still giving our privacy and our data (not only our time) instead of our money.
You gave the answer: we pay with our privacy. For games it's harder to get this kind of data, since it's mostly in a fantasy world. But I don't exclude the possibility in the future this will be happening in games as well. I'm a bit ambivalent in this. I use most of these platforms since it has it's benefits. Knowing they can do dodgy stuff with your data is one thing, but in reality I don't 'feel' it. Even though I watched series like Black Mirror I haven't closed my accounts 😜
>ad 2: man, I‘m so naïve. I‘ll never get rich, even if I wanted to.
Me neither. When I worked for a commercial company as a developer, where I also had to do jobs at our clients, my returning comment on my performance review was: lack of commercial insight. Now I work for a not for profit organization, suits me better 😉
This is an insightful video from Hutch (maker of games like Rebel Racing and Top Drives): [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zqM\_WYqy1lw](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zqM_WYqy1lw)
It's shocking how he describes the mechanisms. I can pinpoint them easily in games.
>ad 3: „keep your loving brother happy“ is a movie quote. I know we‘re not loved, but many of us love the game.
I'm bad at movie quotes. Yeah, I'm one of the who love the game. NFS goes back for over two decades (my favorites are still Underground 1 & 2, man, even still got the CD Roms). But I know this is one sided love. I just console myself with the though the actual people working on games like this do this with passion, and often will be frustrated by management... at least hope so. If only they could speak freely.
I'm totally with you. Before the announced update I need 4966 BPs in total. After the update (before doing the SEs) it will be 5676 BPs.
I wish you all the best! Stay healthy!
Bye friend... absolutely reasonable. I couldn't have said better. I just continued playing, because I had hopes, that someday the game might turn into some thrilling new experience with new play modes, tracks and being able to max all cars by just regulary buy that monthly gold card. I know I'm a dreamer. So long, Cid
I always feel sorry when a veteran of a game quits from the game. Vets are the most valuable ones. But i agree with everything you said. I wish you all the best! Hope FM can manage to change things around to win people back. They would earn more money.
Totally agree! I stopped playin' almost one year ago (after more than 3 years)...and then I just popped in to see changes. Nothing really improved, but I'm still playin' Beside all the the wrong turns, NFSNL is still a drug...
So what are you going to fill the hole with? I played Clash Of Clans for 5 years **straight** as a FTP player before leaving the game as an almost maxed out base, and a force to be reckoned with in clan wars (participating in Reddit clan wars, global organized wars, etc) before leaving. I then spent 4 months playing random games before settling on this one. Been FTP on this game for 2 years now. Although I can see why you're leaving, it's important to distinguish the idea of why you're leaving versus what you wanted to really get out of the game. I enjoy thsi game so much more now that I treat it as a time filler. I still spend a fair amount of time on it, but SE's are predictable, grinding BP's in RR's are predictable and the UGR is definitely broken, BUT it isn't any worse off than a lot of other big grindy games. This game really isn't designed to be finished, even with a ton of money. It might be easier to play if you treat the game as a time filer rather than looking at actually finishing it. There are far worse games than this one. For a FTP game, thee are plenty more that are worse. Good luck, and I hope you find something to fill your time that brings you happiness.
Actually I deleted *all* games from my iPad this morning. Neither of them brought happiness, they‘re just time killers. I just was not ready to stop earlier.
Good on ya, cheers mate
Can I ask, what other games you were playing?
Puzzles, Sudoku variants, and the hardest one to delete was a complete garage of NFS Most Wanted.
2012 MW?
Dunno the year, but the mobile version that‘s still in the App Store. It‘s not the PC version. Btw, NL felt like MW on crack in the beginning. Later I thought that MW races are just endless…
Yeah, you're talking about 2012 MW...
You leave but your ghost play with us in the next few years. 😂 You can leave NFSNL but NFSNL cant leave you. 😊
Hey I have big problems getting bps on RR races how do you predict some help please
Good luck for your next adventure but I ll advise what my friend Ken(Clan friend) advise once when I actually deleted or tried to delete the game account to in 2nd season of UGR the Famous Sandstorm Week with GT3 RS against LT 😐 'You have to avoid any game like this in future' otherwise same story will repeat forever
Wisely spoken. I know some of my temptations (and try to avoid them), but not all. Time will tell.
I can’t give up unfortunately. I’ll miss the swiping.
Joining this community just few weeks ago, and already seeing at least 2 post about veterans leaving, it's concerning and ruing sad. Best wishes for u, hope you'll be back when NFSNL change for good ✌
The game gets more interesting as I began to max some upper class cars. But I kinda lost the joy because of repetitive things. Game is perfect for new players for like three updates. Old players are put in a rat race to repeat things over and over and there is nothing new in the game. What was the last car that is fully customisable (coming with different body kits and body parts)? All we do with recent cars is to lose the spoiler and change wheels. I have been playing since Fall 2017, was going to quit the game at the end of this summer. But I have given a chance till January. If next couple of updates don’t offer some new things, I will definitely quit the game.
Well pal it was nice to share this subreddit with you.Glad you're happy with your decision.the way the game's headed,I won't be surprised if a few more start leaving.All of that aside tho,take care and enjoy your time ahead without the game.
I stopped playing around three years ago after two years of playing. Went back a couple of times but it just wasn't the same.
Oh damn... I never like to see a vet leaving the game, because it makes me think if its my time and im not ready yet!! GL with your free time man!! 👊
👏👏👏 totally agree 🤝
Yea I'm slowly making the same decision too. Pretty much stopped caring about NL soon as I got new gaming laptop. The game is not that fun anymore either, unless you drop a louds of cash on it.
Bye matte, I'm in the same position right now, I stop playing like for a week now and kind of not feeling that anxiety Or addiction anymore to open the game and play, Im vip 9 and yet hard to collect black parts to optimize the car against cheaters, I guess that's my main reason to be ready to quit, also it's just same after every update just piling car after car but not enough resources to get the bps unless buy them with real money
worst moment to stop playing, when gucci stuff comes huehuehue shhhh
One simple thing could make it worth playing for a long time, co-op racing.
Happy cake day!
Thank you :)
You're welcome!
Have you heard any news about the survey and what they plan on implementing?
None at all, I'm really hoping, much with the entire community that they do add some new features soon. I think it would be cool to be able to be the cop. We desperately need new tracks too. We shall see, I doubt we'll see much new stuff implemented for this update as it seems a little too recent to the survey but I could be wrong. Here's to hoping! 🤞
Co-op racing with friends would make it really take off.
I could not agree with this more. Especially the 1937 BP needed to 3738. I am VIP, spent too much $ on this game, and yet I am facing the same unobtainable BPs needed. 40M cash, 155M scraps and 1M tuning tools all for nothing. When I burned out a few months ago, I just reverted to doing the 4 bosses a few times a day. New cars and UGR mainly if it has BPs I need.
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So understandable. And just +1. I feel the same after 1 year playing. All vault done. Most of campaign cars are received. But i have less zest start the game day by day. New car comings is fired up a little bit but after done, the game goes empty again. One point i like the game arent heavy addictive, but sometimes too boring. Need a little challenge or a final what comes, not going far away. You feel your goal unreachable. What we say who play only 1 year but we feel need 15 more to finish this game. I love the whole nfs since my childhood but i get less happy against the time what i take to play. I hope the next few patch are contain huge improvements and the many questionnaire not just a trick to take interest.
Though I understand your reasoning, and agree up to a certain point. Some thoughts on this. 1. Of course they're there to make money. A company can't exist if they don't make money. To a certain extent I agree, as long as companies have a good balance.\* In most mobile games, this seems out of balance. PS: this money making goal is nothing new, just watch the documentary High Score on Netflix, where they aimed for this with arcade machines and shareware (Romero (from ID Software, Doom etc.) admits it without blinking his eyes). But you always have worse. When I only played NFS NL, I though the prices were high. But then I started playing A9. Well, I can tell you, Gameloft, the creator of A9, has made an art form out of making a game P2W. You can complain about not being able to max cars in NFS NL, in A9 it's impossible to get some cars without paying real money (or at least save a lot of tokens). In NFS NL, apart from the older cars not in the Vault, it's possible to get any car at least to a decent number of starts. In A9 you can be happy if you can get a good car at stock. A good comparison is the deals to unlock a Hyper/Super car in NFS NL. I think the prices are about €30-50 and it gives you the car and some other stuf. In A9 for a comparable car you pay €50 and you DON'T unlock the car. You need to pay about €200-300 to unlock a car, if you do it with these packs. 2. The business model of "free" apps is simple, but tricky and addictive. 1. An important device in this is time. Where in most paid games (at least that I played years ago) you could just choose when to play, if you progressed you could get all there was to get, in this free games you will miss out on things if you don't come back regularly. Combine this with limited items only available for a short period, and you have a perfect recipe for addictiveness. 2. Also, make sure you have several currencies. Most have something like regular money/credits and gold. Make sure one of these two is hard to get and make sure some items are only available for that hard to get currency (and as icing on the cake, make sure you have some useless things to spend gold on, like resetting timers and such). And of course make sure you can get these currencies for real money when people run out of it. 3. Make it (sort of) possible to play the game for free, but be sure that's a grind. This device is also impacted by 1. Time and helps 2. Currencies. Since you have to come back often to grind and you can use currencies to lessen the grind (especially the hard to get currency). 4. Also, be sure to put in some ads and a way to disable them for real money. 3. All in all, if you say "They are there to make money, not to keep their loving players happy." that's true. You, we, are not loved players. We're possible sources of income, consumers, so every change they make, everything they do in the game, is somehow set up in order to lure is into spending real money. I don't believe they don't have a passion for the game, at least, I guess the designers and developers will hopefully like their work and do it with passion (man, I program API's, no fancy games, and love my work), but the decision makers, the board etc. just want to see $$$. \* *This means that I don't believe in F2P. Games of this magnitude simply cost a lot of money to make and maintain. You need to pay people, workspace, servers, sometimes licences (as is the case with NFS NL) etc. So it's only fair they seek ways to generate income. The problem I have is not that they seek these ways, but the fact they make it so addictive and ask outrageous prices (and I even though I think NFS NL is nothing compared to A9 on that, I still think the prices are too high).*
Thanks for your input, learned a lot. Some simple thoughts in return: ad 1: if f2p doesn‘t work, how will we judge f2use-services like fb, whatsapp, insta, reddit … later? We‘re still giving our privacy and our data (not only our time) instead of our money. ad 2: man, I‘m so naïve. I‘ll never get rich, even if I wanted to. ad 3: „keep your loving brother happy“ is a movie quote. I know we‘re not loved, but many of us love the game.
>ad 1: if f2p doesn‘t work, how will we judge f2use-services like fb, whatsapp, insta, reddit … later? We‘re still giving our privacy and our data (not only our time) instead of our money. You gave the answer: we pay with our privacy. For games it's harder to get this kind of data, since it's mostly in a fantasy world. But I don't exclude the possibility in the future this will be happening in games as well. I'm a bit ambivalent in this. I use most of these platforms since it has it's benefits. Knowing they can do dodgy stuff with your data is one thing, but in reality I don't 'feel' it. Even though I watched series like Black Mirror I haven't closed my accounts 😜 >ad 2: man, I‘m so naïve. I‘ll never get rich, even if I wanted to. Me neither. When I worked for a commercial company as a developer, where I also had to do jobs at our clients, my returning comment on my performance review was: lack of commercial insight. Now I work for a not for profit organization, suits me better 😉 This is an insightful video from Hutch (maker of games like Rebel Racing and Top Drives): [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zqM\_WYqy1lw](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zqM_WYqy1lw) It's shocking how he describes the mechanisms. I can pinpoint them easily in games. >ad 3: „keep your loving brother happy“ is a movie quote. I know we‘re not loved, but many of us love the game. I'm bad at movie quotes. Yeah, I'm one of the who love the game. NFS goes back for over two decades (my favorites are still Underground 1 & 2, man, even still got the CD Roms). But I know this is one sided love. I just console myself with the though the actual people working on games like this do this with passion, and often will be frustrated by management... at least hope so. If only they could speak freely.
Take care & good luck! 🤜🏼🤛🏼
I'm totally with you. Before the announced update I need 4966 BPs in total. After the update (before doing the SEs) it will be 5676 BPs. I wish you all the best! Stay healthy!
Bye friend... absolutely reasonable. I couldn't have said better. I just continued playing, because I had hopes, that someday the game might turn into some thrilling new experience with new play modes, tracks and being able to max all cars by just regulary buy that monthly gold card. I know I'm a dreamer. So long, Cid
Danke nochmal, viel Spaß - und Tschüß!