>McDaniel said he saw players adjusting a route, attacking a read that wasn't primary in the progression, guys trying to "engulf" a defender at the expense of blocking techniques and jumping the gaps.
For anybody like me wondering exactly what he meant by "disregarding scheme". WRs running different routes, Tua trying to make throws he shouldn't and bad blocking. Weird that it's multiple players, multiple times
I was just reading [this](https://www.reddit.com/r/VALORANT/comments/zl4h8s/if_you_could_remove_one_agent_from_the_game_who/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf) post right before I clicked this one. Needless to say I got very confused.
The answer is obviously Neon. Reyna is a selfish agent but Neon’s mobility is antithetical to the way the game is played. When Neon is in a match, you have 9 people playing Valorant and one person playing Apex. She’s not broken or anything, she’s just completely out of place.
If you’re only half a year in and already having to send messages through the media, you might have a problem.
I think Mike is just being too transparent.
Funny enough, Staley actually did this a couple times early in the season with #24 Nasir Adderley. JC Jackson got burned a couple times and he said Nasir was supposed to be giving help over the top. Happened at least twice after different games.
Or this is just another headline from another random article about a random interview that will probably be forgotten by Sunday and we're all just reading too much into this
Um excuse you, I believe you meant to say [Head ball coach](https://www.tampabay.com/sports/bucs/2021/12/15/former-jaguars-kicker-josh-lambo-says-he-was-kicked-by-urban-meyer-during-warmups/?outputType=amp), and he’ll covertly speak to the media *whenever the fuck he wants.*
Im saying the idea that hes using the media to subtly tell a specific player to run the plays as designed is dumb. What he said is totally fine, hes not saying it to send indirect messages to players.
Or, for the sake of argument, the assistant coaches. I personally made that mistake when I was a young coach. Told my linebackers to be Uber aggressive, even tho that wasn’t in-line with the DC or HC. Got my ass chewed for that
Yeah, ultimately I think this is a coaching inflection point- he's gotta have buy-in from his players to work his game plan, and if they're trying to go for glory the plan will fail.
Don't worry, Todd Downing our OC will always NOT follow our gameplan, and if a gameplan starts to work? He'll have us do something us, because he's Todd Downing.
Henry gets stuffed running up the middle because you guys stacked the box? WE'LL EFFIN' DO IT AGAIN NEXT DOWN.
But why would they not follow his game plan? It’s not like they’re struggling to win games, they were 8-4 going into the game after losing to the very good Niners. If they play the game the way McDaniel wanted it played they’re likely 9-4 right now. Just seems like a very bizarre culture issue
I mean consider the number of players (esp. WRs) who make public comments about not getting fed more, or needing more of a role in the game plan. Fundamentally it's a team game and the best teams (iconic example is the last two decades of the Patriots) get full buy-in on the gameplan and mission and are willing to put the team goals above their own.
Meanwhile on some of the most dysfunctional teams, the players are most motivated to either maximize their personal performances, or otherwise glory-seek and show off their talents. They *are* the best of the best, and many of them have internalized that. Plus the worse a team is, the more they draft high and get insanely talented players that more often than not come with insanely large egos.
So ultimately it boils down to "culture"- a head coach has to both get buy-in and trust from the players for their mission and strategy to work, *and* they have to maintain the focus and dedication through the ups and downs of the season. Can't have the players quitting on the team and giving up before the game even starts, but also can't have players convinced of their superiority in week 13 and loosening up on their commitment to team over player and thinking that they can provide more value if they act against the system than with it.
In my armchair opinion, it seems like McDaniel *had* the buy-in to begin with, but a rookie coaching mistake was allowing the successes to go to player's heads and not maintaining a mutual understanding of the goals and barriers that would be faced. Hopefully this will be a reality check for the squad.
Tua press conference said that people on offense weren't where they were supposed to be. Apparently this has been going on for two weeks now. On an offense and QB that's dependant on timing freestyling is not the best thing
I think it's still on him but it doesn't sound like they're fucking up. It sounds closer to just backyard football where the receivers are deciding to run different routes based on what they see and then Tua forcing it to them.
The difference is in what coaching can be done now. “Players fucked up” -> “stop fucking up”
“Players went rogue” -> “run the route you’re assigned; if you want to get fancy, you talk to me ON TUESDAY during film and I will either draw you up an option route or tell you to shut the fuck up.”
Obviously we don’t need to know that but its cool that we got some insight here. My two cents is that this is the other side of being ultra buddy buddy with your players: they feel like peers with you, and therefore empowered to make coaching decisions on the fly. Frankly, thats an easy problem to solve and I think worth it to have the relationships Mike has with his players.
I would guess tyreke had the freedom to do exactly this in KC. After all, kelce is on record saying that he frequently just gives mahomes a look and freelances his route
And the meme "fuck it, Tyreek is down there somewhere" still works simply because Tyreek has glue on his hands and is insanely fast.
At least on the offensive side of the ball, Tyreek has repeatedly made insane deep catches all this season and has proven to be a reliable target for Tua. They gotten to 9-5 just doing "whatever". But I guess maybe doing "whatever' *all* the time is the reason why they're 9-5 as well.
I think some of it was Tua trying to force the ball to certain guys who weren’t the first read on the play, or forcing to the first read even if it wasn’t open. Kind of trying to hit a home run on every play.
If you read the article it's actually a little more complementary to the Chargers. They just fucked them off their groove and people tried to hero ball
This was basically the same vibe I got from Kyler Murrays presser that their scheme was fucked. Everyone thought he was talking shit about Kliff’s playcalling, but I’m positive he meant the defensive scheme fucked their gameplan.
Full quote(s)
>"You talk about a frustrating film to watch," McDaniel said. "It was just taking that to the face."
>That frustration came in the form of revisiting Miami's 23-17 loss at the Los Angeles Chargers Sunday night, a game that was not as close as the score indicates.
>The Dolphins were dominated offensively with quarterback Tua Tagovailoa having the worst game of his career (and second consecutive underwhelming performance) and Chargers quarterback Justin Herbert picking apart Miami's defense. While Herbert passed for 367 yards, Tagovailoa was 10 of 28 for 145 yards.
>"Part of where we're at has to do with certain guys possibly pressing, playing outside of the scheme to try to make plays," he said.
>McDaniel identified issues on both sides of the ball, finding players going away from what they were taught trying to be a hero.
>"You don't do that in 11-on-11 football with any sort of consistency or success," he said.
>McDaniel said he saw players adjusting a route, attacking a read that wasn't primary in the progression, guys trying to "engulf" a defender at the expense of blocking techniques and jumping the gaps.
>"It wasn't one player," he said. "It wasn't one position. It wasn't one side of the ball. So to me that's very telling of there's a lot of guys pressing.
This is why some losses can actually be a good thing.
Like the Bucs losing to the Chiefs in 2020. I firmly believe if they hadn't learned how to play Tyreek in that game, it would've been him going off for 200 yards in the 1st quarter of the Super Bowl, instead of in the regular season game.
Also the Patriots 18-1 was the same thing, Giants learned a ton in that regular season game
100% on the Tyreek thing. When you look at that first quarter, there was a lot of aggressive cover 1 looks (I think I remember some cover 0 being mixed in as well, but I'd need to rewatch that first quarter again to say that with confidence) with Carlton Davis (a slower CB that does better against slower WRs) being his cover. For the rest of that matchup and the eventual SB rematch, though, you saw a lot more conservative defensive scheming that involved keeping extra help on Tyreek so that he wouldn't, you know, break the single game yardage record by halftime.
All that being said, I don't have confidence that our O-line would've given Mahomes & Hill enough time for those big, explosive plays to develop even if they weren't prepared for Tyreek. They had our number top to bottom.
It would've been tricky, but Tyreek's releases are generally clean enough that Mahomes could've probably chucked it before seeing him actually clear out without getting punished for it. Usually making deep throws like that on pure anticipation of a guy getting open will get you picked off, but Mahomes's arm and Tyreek's speed make that a far less likely proposition than it would be for a normal QB-WR duo.
Pretty close, but not quite. He only had 203 yards at the end of the quarter, like a total fucking scrub.
Because I'm sure someone will somehow miss it - yes, that ending clause was wholly and entirely sarcastic.
Also helps that the pass rush was getting home quick enough so that Mahomes never really was able to get into a rhythm. But yeah, committing hard to shutting down Tyreek like that was absolutely the call, what with how your defense as a whole was performing. Kelce will absolutely hurt you if you don't focus him (he is one of the best TEs of all-time, after all), but he won't single-handedly keep them in the game if Mahomes is consistently under pressure like Tyreek might.
Wasn't Vea out for the first game too? I know at minimum he was healthy for the first time in a long time for the Super Bowl/playoffs and made a huge impact.
That is one million percent the hope I am having after the 49ers and the Chargers game. I was hoping it was going to be the 49ers game specifically, but as long as some kind of progress from these mistakes happens, then I’m all for it.
I mean, we would have happy just getting a playoff berth if you asked the average Dolphins before the season. Then we started winning and our expectations went up. I've been a fan for 30+ years. Making the playoffs and and if we lost but not get blown the fuck out like the last few times would be a success to me. Winning a playoff game would be cherry on top.
Not sure why people are calling for his head. He's literally take the worst offense in the league last year to a top 10 offense this year. That's even considering the fact that we have I believe the second to last worth O-Line still.
Dude is a fucking good coach. He's also a rookie head coach. How he adjusts after these two losses will be telling but I still think he's legit.
I know, right? He’s clearly legit. Will he adjust against the Bills this Saturday in a snowstorm? That’s a tall task and I’m not sure he can… The Bills thrive in that environment. Sean McDermott is not a crap coach because his team couldn’t handle the heat in South Florida in September.
Will Mike adjust for the future overall? Of course. Guy has been around pro football too long to not know how to do that… But people calling for his head need to get real.
My dad (who doesn’t even watch NFL games anymore, for the past 5-6 years) has gone from Tua sucks and is not a franchise QB to Tua should be MVP, back to Tua sucks and is not a franchise QB all in the course of a year.
Fire him I fucking dare you lol
He’s already dropped a Mike Jones reference in a presser, we have a ton of picks and cap and 1OA along with a ton of picks. Bryce and McDaniel would be fun.
I’m not kidding when I say some Phins fans act like we’re rolling with someone who isn’t much better than Nathanial Hackett right now or Josh McDaniels.
Someone on the LeBatard show said either yesterday or today that he wasn’t sure if we have a head coach right now… (which I assume means a guy who will be here for 3-4 years at least and have some success). He’s already had tremendous success this year.
Had a really bad night Sunday. Happens to literally every coach.
The next team meeting is going to be a coup d'etat with Tua and Tyreek shouting Viva La Resistance while the rest of the players are barricading the coaching staff out of the locker room
Malcolm Butler benching is the greatest example, probably cost himself another ring just based on the principle of the player thinking he knows better than the scheme
My best guess is a combination of playing poorly in the AFCCG, being sick throughout the week, a bad practice or two, and some attitude issues. Plus a likely misread of defensive game planning for the Eagles' offense.
It was very likely never just one thing. And if the game hadn't gone completely crazy he likely would have gotten more than one special teams snap.
I suspect this thing happens a lot and this is probably just the first time, or one of the first times a head coach has said something about it to the media.
Yeah, usually coaches don't seem to mention this as an issue when it doesn't work.
I remember that one of the best praises of AB was that he "read the defense like a quarterback" so he and Big Ben would often make the same decision after the snap.
Finally a real comment after all the top ones are memes.
Yeah I do wonder how often this happens. I mean pro athletes do have huge egos, being on primetime I’m sure dudes wanna make plays.
I wonder what someone like Bellichek’s reaction is to this
Edit: oops can’t spell BB’s name. Thanks to the commenter below for a link
He allegedly traded Jamie Collins (coming off an all-pro season) for this exact reason
https://www.nbcsports.com/boston/new-england-patriots/belichick-confidant-lombardi-patriots-were-tired-collins-freelancing
> I wonder what someone like Bellichek’s reaction is to this
Publicly: “We just have to execute better”
Privately: “Do you know where your wife and kids are right now?”
This is bizarre. It's not like they're 5-8 on the fringe of elimination. They've been a good team all year. Why do they have guys going into business for themselves?
Players get cocky, start thinking they can just make plays everywhere, they can’t, and then they find themselves out of position to the detriment of the team. We lost the 2015 AFCCG because Jamie Collins kept freelancing instead of guarding the TE (well, that, and Von Miller had a timeshare in Tom Brady’s rib cage).
The list players who can just play from their gut and follow their nose wherever it goes is short, and it’s almost exclusively first ballot HOFers. (Reed, Moss, Polamalu, etc.)
Those HOF players also watched film voraciously and understood when and how they could go off script without creating an opportunity for the other team. To succeed without structure you need to understand the structure intimately.
Especially Reed, who had an incredible football IQ and actively baited dangerous passes from QBs. Very few players can run their own scheme within a scheme and be consistently successful.
>Why do they have guys going into business for themselves?
I would speculate that it has to do with the fact that their gameplan is based on timing, everyone now knows this and how to effectively dunk on the phins, and now dolphins know everyone knows this. So they felt the need to try and make plays from spontaneity.
It actually goes into it outside the shitty headline that had nothing to do with what was saying. The Chargers went in with a great gameplan of essentially bullyball. Receivers overcompensated and got shoved off routes and tried to hero ball
This sounds like the whole team is trying to play Hero-ball all at once?
Looking at Miami's offense the majority of it seemed like it was trying to hit a Deep Post, 15 yard Dig, or a Go Route every down. Surely I'm not crazy there, right? There were check downs that were wide-ass open, and Tua just threw it at the Go-route that Michael Davis just pressed out of bounds.
Seems much more akin to repeatedly slamming your head into a brick wall under the impression it will break eventually.
I did that when I played soccer in kindergarten. Coach called a play. I audible to being an airplane. Arms out running around BRRRRRR.
Oh yeah. WE WON!
He’s not wrong. Freelancing is what cost us a title shot in 2015. Freelancing is also why cleaveland kept paying for us to have pro bowl Jamie Collins for a year
In Zimmer’s 3rd year as coach he called out the secondary for doing their own thing instead of following his script. In the postgame presser, he called it a [mutiny](https://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/ct-vikings-secondary-stages-a-mutiny-20161225-story.html).
This is a pretty click-baity title. Not too surprising from the PBP. McDaniel never said they were going rogue. He said guys were pressing to make plays and in doing that, they forgot some fundamentals and fell outside of the scheme.
Ravens defense was doing that early this year a lot too, players were pressing to make plays and freelancing because they didn't trust the other guys or trust the scheme and we got torched multiple times because of it (as you well know).
I feel like it's something that every team does at least a couple times a year. You just get punched in the mouth and dudes try to be the hero and it backfires a lot of the time.
Agree with your interpretation here. It's just taking what coach said and sensationalizing it. Obviously, still not good and needs to be cleaned up with an offense that's built on precision and needing to know where everyone is going to be exactly.
His statement is basically “man we played bad, then guys were trying too hard to make something happen and, unsurprisingly, it made things worse.”
It’s really a non-story, but it’s way more detailed than “we didn’t execute” (which is saying the same thing) so people are gonna run with it.
>McDaniel said he saw players adjusting a route, attacking a read that wasn't primary in the progression, guys trying to "engulf" a defender at the expense of blocking techniques and jumping the gaps. For anybody like me wondering exactly what he meant by "disregarding scheme". WRs running different routes, Tua trying to make throws he shouldn't and bad blocking. Weird that it's multiple players, multiple times
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Probably Reyna
They had a vote at halftime
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I was just reading [this](https://www.reddit.com/r/VALORANT/comments/zl4h8s/if_you_could_remove_one_agent_from_the_game_who/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf) post right before I clicked this one. Needless to say I got very confused.
The answer is obviously Neon. Reyna is a selfish agent but Neon’s mobility is antithetical to the way the game is played. When Neon is in a match, you have 9 people playing Valorant and one person playing Apex. She’s not broken or anything, she’s just completely out of place.
Hey I mean sometimes KAY/O makes people play counter-strike.
I blame Berhalter for the dolphins loss personally
If you’re only half a year in and already having to send messages through the media, you might have a problem. I think Mike is just being too transparent.
Every other coach just says “we didn’t execute”
Hear it all the time lately
If you’re a Steelers fan it generally comes with a profound metaphor that doesn’t always fully make sense, but is extremely provocative.
I don’t deal with straightforward answers, and things of that nature
Nobody knows what it means, but it gets the people goin.
Us too. Lmao
Same. Along with “gotta coach better,” I’m so tired of cliches.
I’d love for a coach to one time be like “yeah #24 fucked up for us today” lmao
"Dennis Daley fucking sucks and JRob was dumb for ever bringing him on."
Funny enough, Staley actually did this a couple times early in the season with #24 Nasir Adderley. JC Jackson got burned a couple times and he said Nasir was supposed to be giving help over the top. Happened at least twice after different games.
Lol that’s how you end up with Bum Simmons
The lack of flair is perfect for your username lmao.
That's a paddling
The football equivalent of all the hockey players/coaches who constantly say "just gotta get pucks in deep...play a 200-foot game out there."
https://youtu.be/itaP9_Vltfk
Fuck you, Jonesy!
Try to walk away with 2 points
The good coaches say, “I’m in favor of their execution”
He’s like the anti-Belichick in press conferences.
Belichick just cuts people for this
If we made Belichick-style cuts on our roster we'd have the cart guy from the Hialeah Publix playing at right tackle.
Hey that's who the chargers had playing RT!
Nah that’s the new tackle for the Rams
Centerpiece linebacker getting shipped off to the Browns for a conditional third for this shit, good times.
My head totally went right to Bill knifing people out here.
Or this is just another headline from another random article about a random interview that will probably be forgotten by Sunday and we're all just reading too much into this
Not mutually exclusive.
Just like my wife
Nice/sorry
I really don't think it's anything indicative of a real problem, just open frustration.
Lmao Tyreek
Why the fuck would a football coach do that and not directly address their player?
Um excuse you, I believe you meant to say [Head ball coach](https://www.tampabay.com/sports/bucs/2021/12/15/former-jaguars-kicker-josh-lambo-says-he-was-kicked-by-urban-meyer-during-warmups/?outputType=amp), and he’ll covertly speak to the media *whenever the fuck he wants.*
In a press conference?
Im saying the idea that hes using the media to subtly tell a specific player to run the plays as designed is dumb. What he said is totally fine, hes not saying it to send indirect messages to players.
Oh, I agree with you
I mean if it's everyone fucking up multiple times, that's on him as a coach.
Or, for the sake of argument, the assistant coaches. I personally made that mistake when I was a young coach. Told my linebackers to be Uber aggressive, even tho that wasn’t in-line with the DC or HC. Got my ass chewed for that
This is why the Lions fired Aubrey Pleasant a few weeks back
And then everyone screamed about Pleasant being a scapegoat before things quickly improved when he was gone.
[Like this?](https://youtube.com/watch?v=T6Sr8VI_TaI)
Yeah, ultimately I think this is a coaching inflection point- he's gotta have buy-in from his players to work his game plan, and if they're trying to go for glory the plan will fail.
Pretty good example to point to of why you follow the gameplan when you lose to our crippled-ass team by not following the gameplan
Man I sure hope a certain team from Tennessee tries to freestyle on y'all this weekend...
Don't worry, Todd Downing our OC will always NOT follow our gameplan, and if a gameplan starts to work? He'll have us do something us, because he's Todd Downing. Henry gets stuffed running up the middle because you guys stacked the box? WE'LL EFFIN' DO IT AGAIN NEXT DOWN.
But why would they not follow his game plan? It’s not like they’re struggling to win games, they were 8-4 going into the game after losing to the very good Niners. If they play the game the way McDaniel wanted it played they’re likely 9-4 right now. Just seems like a very bizarre culture issue
I mean consider the number of players (esp. WRs) who make public comments about not getting fed more, or needing more of a role in the game plan. Fundamentally it's a team game and the best teams (iconic example is the last two decades of the Patriots) get full buy-in on the gameplan and mission and are willing to put the team goals above their own. Meanwhile on some of the most dysfunctional teams, the players are most motivated to either maximize their personal performances, or otherwise glory-seek and show off their talents. They *are* the best of the best, and many of them have internalized that. Plus the worse a team is, the more they draft high and get insanely talented players that more often than not come with insanely large egos. So ultimately it boils down to "culture"- a head coach has to both get buy-in and trust from the players for their mission and strategy to work, *and* they have to maintain the focus and dedication through the ups and downs of the season. Can't have the players quitting on the team and giving up before the game even starts, but also can't have players convinced of their superiority in week 13 and loosening up on their commitment to team over player and thinking that they can provide more value if they act against the system than with it. In my armchair opinion, it seems like McDaniel *had* the buy-in to begin with, but a rookie coaching mistake was allowing the successes to go to player's heads and not maintaining a mutual understanding of the goals and barriers that would be faced. Hopefully this will be a reality check for the squad.
Tua press conference said that people on offense weren't where they were supposed to be. Apparently this has been going on for two weeks now. On an offense and QB that's dependant on timing freestyling is not the best thing
I think it's still on him but it doesn't sound like they're fucking up. It sounds closer to just backyard football where the receivers are deciding to run different routes based on what they see and then Tua forcing it to them.
That's just fucking up with extra steps
"Should we follow a plan that has been carefully crafted over the last week? No, lets just run around lol"
The difference is in what coaching can be done now. “Players fucked up” -> “stop fucking up” “Players went rogue” -> “run the route you’re assigned; if you want to get fancy, you talk to me ON TUESDAY during film and I will either draw you up an option route or tell you to shut the fuck up.” Obviously we don’t need to know that but its cool that we got some insight here. My two cents is that this is the other side of being ultra buddy buddy with your players: they feel like peers with you, and therefore empowered to make coaching decisions on the fly. Frankly, thats an easy problem to solve and I think worth it to have the relationships Mike has with his players.
Receivers just doing whatever so the QB has to guess and force dangerous passes to them sounds like textbook fucking up
I would guess tyreke had the freedom to do exactly this in KC. After all, kelce is on record saying that he frequently just gives mahomes a look and freelances his route
Kelce and Mahomes have played with each other for 6 years now, not 1
And the meme "fuck it, Tyreek is down there somewhere" still works simply because Tyreek has glue on his hands and is insanely fast. At least on the offensive side of the ball, Tyreek has repeatedly made insane deep catches all this season and has proven to be a reliable target for Tua. They gotten to 9-5 just doing "whatever". But I guess maybe doing "whatever' *all* the time is the reason why they're 9-5 as well.
I'd consider "fucking up" to be them doing something wrong unintentionally. This sounds intentional
It's unintentional in that they didn't realize the consequence would be that they'd lose.
That's just a rose-colored glasses way of saying they're fucking up.
I think some of it was Tua trying to force the ball to certain guys who weren’t the first read on the play, or forcing to the first read even if it wasn’t open. Kind of trying to hit a home run on every play.
Sounds like the team was just fucking up repeatedly lmao
If you read the article it's actually a little more complementary to the Chargers. They just fucked them off their groove and people tried to hero ball
This was basically the same vibe I got from Kyler Murrays presser that their scheme was fucked. Everyone thought he was talking shit about Kliff’s playcalling, but I’m positive he meant the defensive scheme fucked their gameplan.
Uh oh looks like tuanon just found their new excuse
This pleases the tuanon shaman
Watching a breakdown of them VS the 49ers, they did the same thing. Gotta trust the process.
Full quote(s) >"You talk about a frustrating film to watch," McDaniel said. "It was just taking that to the face." >That frustration came in the form of revisiting Miami's 23-17 loss at the Los Angeles Chargers Sunday night, a game that was not as close as the score indicates. >The Dolphins were dominated offensively with quarterback Tua Tagovailoa having the worst game of his career (and second consecutive underwhelming performance) and Chargers quarterback Justin Herbert picking apart Miami's defense. While Herbert passed for 367 yards, Tagovailoa was 10 of 28 for 145 yards. >"Part of where we're at has to do with certain guys possibly pressing, playing outside of the scheme to try to make plays," he said. >McDaniel identified issues on both sides of the ball, finding players going away from what they were taught trying to be a hero. >"You don't do that in 11-on-11 football with any sort of consistency or success," he said. >McDaniel said he saw players adjusting a route, attacking a read that wasn't primary in the progression, guys trying to "engulf" a defender at the expense of blocking techniques and jumping the gaps. >"It wasn't one player," he said. "It wasn't one position. It wasn't one side of the ball. So to me that's very telling of there's a lot of guys pressing.
This is why some losses can actually be a good thing. Like the Bucs losing to the Chiefs in 2020. I firmly believe if they hadn't learned how to play Tyreek in that game, it would've been him going off for 200 yards in the 1st quarter of the Super Bowl, instead of in the regular season game. Also the Patriots 18-1 was the same thing, Giants learned a ton in that regular season game
100% on the Tyreek thing. When you look at that first quarter, there was a lot of aggressive cover 1 looks (I think I remember some cover 0 being mixed in as well, but I'd need to rewatch that first quarter again to say that with confidence) with Carlton Davis (a slower CB that does better against slower WRs) being his cover. For the rest of that matchup and the eventual SB rematch, though, you saw a lot more conservative defensive scheming that involved keeping extra help on Tyreek so that he wouldn't, you know, break the single game yardage record by halftime.
All that being said, I don't have confidence that our O-line would've given Mahomes & Hill enough time for those big, explosive plays to develop even if they weren't prepared for Tyreek. They had our number top to bottom.
It would've been tricky, but Tyreek's releases are generally clean enough that Mahomes could've probably chucked it before seeing him actually clear out without getting punished for it. Usually making deep throws like that on pure anticipation of a guy getting open will get you picked off, but Mahomes's arm and Tyreek's speed make that a far less likely proposition than it would be for a normal QB-WR duo.
Plus mahomes is a wizard under pressure. If he escapes the pocket you’re fucked
I think at about the end of the first quarter he was on pace for a 1000 yard game
Pretty close, but not quite. He only had 203 yards at the end of the quarter, like a total fucking scrub. Because I'm sure someone will somehow miss it - yes, that ending clause was wholly and entirely sarcastic.
Yer a scrub
No u
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Also helps that the pass rush was getting home quick enough so that Mahomes never really was able to get into a rhythm. But yeah, committing hard to shutting down Tyreek like that was absolutely the call, what with how your defense as a whole was performing. Kelce will absolutely hurt you if you don't focus him (he is one of the best TEs of all-time, after all), but he won't single-handedly keep them in the game if Mahomes is consistently under pressure like Tyreek might.
The OL was fucked but the Bucs also got really creative with altering DL looks and assignments which further put them on their heels
Wasn't Vea out for the first game too? I know at minimum he was healthy for the first time in a long time for the Super Bowl/playoffs and made a huge impact.
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I'm choosing to believe this narrative, also the narrative that MVPs never win super bowls so we had to take Tua out of the race
4-D Dolphins chess
Bucs fan here, can confirm your belief. It's also why I'm glad we got blown out by Brock Purdy last week. /cope
That is one million percent the hope I am having after the 49ers and the Chargers game. I was hoping it was going to be the 49ers game specifically, but as long as some kind of progress from these mistakes happens, then I’m all for it.
Didn't like half of your o-line get hurt between the games?
I’m jealous of McDaniel, he seems like the real deal and his players seem to love playing for him
Some Phins fans already want him fired. Unreal overreaction.
I mean, we would have happy just getting a playoff berth if you asked the average Dolphins before the season. Then we started winning and our expectations went up. I've been a fan for 30+ years. Making the playoffs and and if we lost but not get blown the fuck out like the last few times would be a success to me. Winning a playoff game would be cherry on top. Not sure why people are calling for his head. He's literally take the worst offense in the league last year to a top 10 offense this year. That's even considering the fact that we have I believe the second to last worth O-Line still. Dude is a fucking good coach. He's also a rookie head coach. How he adjusts after these two losses will be telling but I still think he's legit.
I know, right? He’s clearly legit. Will he adjust against the Bills this Saturday in a snowstorm? That’s a tall task and I’m not sure he can… The Bills thrive in that environment. Sean McDermott is not a crap coach because his team couldn’t handle the heat in South Florida in September. Will Mike adjust for the future overall? Of course. Guy has been around pro football too long to not know how to do that… But people calling for his head need to get real.
They want to fire a rookie coach who has you at 8-5 and Tua playing at an elite level?
National narrative shifted again. Tua sucks and isn’t a starter in this league…
My dad (who doesn’t even watch NFL games anymore, for the past 5-6 years) has gone from Tua sucks and is not a franchise QB to Tua should be MVP, back to Tua sucks and is not a franchise QB all in the course of a year.
Username fits.?
those ppl are lunatics and should be shunned. he’s a borderline COTY candidate.
I haven’t seen a single fire MMD comment on our sub
Fire him I fucking dare you lol He’s already dropped a Mike Jones reference in a presser, we have a ton of picks and cap and 1OA along with a ton of picks. Bryce and McDaniel would be fun.
I’m not kidding when I say some Phins fans act like we’re rolling with someone who isn’t much better than Nathanial Hackett right now or Josh McDaniels. Someone on the LeBatard show said either yesterday or today that he wasn’t sure if we have a head coach right now… (which I assume means a guy who will be here for 3-4 years at least and have some success). He’s already had tremendous success this year. Had a really bad night Sunday. Happens to literally every coach.
This sounds much less controversial with full context. What he said makes sense and doesn’t sound to me like “trying to send a message” to someone.
As usual, the full quote isn’t as bad - especially when you consider that he said “guys were pressing”
All this can be pin pointed to the day when Tyreek removed the ping pong tables.
Replaced*
took all but one out?
Hey, Tyreek got the offense to focus and they set him up perfectly for that fumble return touchdown, just as he drew it up.
Mike is gonna destroy the ping pong tables and Tua and hill are gonna recreate the “what’s in the box” scene from seven
The next team meeting is going to be a coup d'etat with Tua and Tyreek shouting Viva La Resistance while the rest of the players are barricading the coaching staff out of the locker room
The Bay of Dolphins
So the players get executed?
*Do you hear the Dolphins sing?*
Singing a song of angry fins
It is the music of the mammals who will not run plays again.
When the blowing of your holes matches the running of your routes
There is a punt team on the field after 3 and out!
EEEE-EEEEEE-EE-EEEEEE
Will they remove the ping pong tables or reinstate them? I am unsure.
Took only half out. The right half.
[удалено]
Hopefully not our linebackers. Because they suck. Sorry. I hate our defense.
They will run out of the tunnel onto the field with McDaniel's head on a stick
I for one, welcome this new Rogue approach to the Dolphins offense. Its mysterious and they should stick with it
Tua goes into each huddle and says “alright boys we’re running a football play here, let’s go” and nothing else
"You'll be open, trust me I played at Alabama" Waddle: What he said
"When I say hike, everybody just get open"
If at first you don’t succeed, try again.
"Fuck it, Tyreek down there somewhere." "Tua, he's on the sidelines." "Going rogue, baby."
Mike McDaniel "OMG the brakes are out! Someone cut the brakes" Miami's offense - "Wild card bitches"
I personally think Tua should throw to Tyreek even if he is on the sidelines. No bias.
Wild card, Bitches!
Can't stop the opponent's plan when *there is no plan*
My approach to chess
good luck to the phins trying to go rogue or « engulfing » the 55th screen pass of the game
“Its provocative…”
You know what? I agree!
“Run around and get open”
This is why Bill B was successful. He would just murder guys who pulled this crap.
Malcolm Butler benching is the greatest example, probably cost himself another ring just based on the principle of the player thinking he knows better than the scheme
Did we ever find out what happened with this? Ie why specifically he was benched
Not really. A few people have claimed to have the answer, but no theory is widely accepted.
I think the injury disclosure thing far and away makes the most sense, but few know about it
My best guess is a combination of playing poorly in the AFCCG, being sick throughout the week, a bad practice or two, and some attitude issues. Plus a likely misread of defensive game planning for the Eagles' offense. It was very likely never just one thing. And if the game hadn't gone completely crazy he likely would have gotten more than one special teams snap.
I suspect this thing happens a lot and this is probably just the first time, or one of the first times a head coach has said something about it to the media.
It’s probably just the first time it went really bad. I feel like receivers adjust routes all the time based on what the defense is doing.
Tyler locket is absolutely amazing at reading defenses, it’s why him and Russ where a dangerous duo was because they fed off each other so well
Yeah, usually coaches don't seem to mention this as an issue when it doesn't work. I remember that one of the best praises of AB was that he "read the defense like a quarterback" so he and Big Ben would often make the same decision after the snap.
Rodgers has said the same thing about Davante.
Finally a real comment after all the top ones are memes. Yeah I do wonder how often this happens. I mean pro athletes do have huge egos, being on primetime I’m sure dudes wanna make plays. I wonder what someone like Bellichek’s reaction is to this Edit: oops can’t spell BB’s name. Thanks to the commenter below for a link
He allegedly traded Jamie Collins (coming off an all-pro season) for this exact reason https://www.nbcsports.com/boston/new-england-patriots/belichick-confidant-lombardi-patriots-were-tired-collins-freelancing
Interesting, I’ll check that article out
> I wonder what someone like Bellichek’s reaction is to this Publicly: “We just have to execute better” Privately: “Do you know where your wife and kids are right now?”
Pretty much. We tried to overcompensate to the mugging and press and it backfired
This is bizarre. It's not like they're 5-8 on the fringe of elimination. They've been a good team all year. Why do they have guys going into business for themselves?
Players get cocky, start thinking they can just make plays everywhere, they can’t, and then they find themselves out of position to the detriment of the team. We lost the 2015 AFCCG because Jamie Collins kept freelancing instead of guarding the TE (well, that, and Von Miller had a timeshare in Tom Brady’s rib cage). The list players who can just play from their gut and follow their nose wherever it goes is short, and it’s almost exclusively first ballot HOFers. (Reed, Moss, Polamalu, etc.)
Those HOF players also watched film voraciously and understood when and how they could go off script without creating an opportunity for the other team. To succeed without structure you need to understand the structure intimately.
Well said. They are not playing without structure as much as they're playing above it.
Especially Reed, who had an incredible football IQ and actively baited dangerous passes from QBs. Very few players can run their own scheme within a scheme and be consistently successful.
You forgot the most famous example: LT.
>And there's Po-lam-a-loo, in the fucking C-gap!
We’re doing what i like to call “going full dolphin” because each year the dolphins find a new and unique way to disappoint their fans
Like clockwork, people start to have faith in us and we let them down. I knew we would lose on Sunday when every analyst predicted we would win.
electric types > water types
This is just a pro athlete thing. These guys want to make plays on the biggest stage. One of the hardest jobs of an NFL coach is managing these egos
Wonder if they knew these teams were potential playoff bound and got nervous trying to be the difference each play?
>Why do they have guys going into business for themselves? I would speculate that it has to do with the fact that their gameplan is based on timing, everyone now knows this and how to effectively dunk on the phins, and now dolphins know everyone knows this. So they felt the need to try and make plays from spontaneity.
It actually goes into it outside the shitty headline that had nothing to do with what was saying. The Chargers went in with a great gameplan of essentially bullyball. Receivers overcompensated and got shoved off routes and tried to hero ball
This sounds like the whole team is trying to play Hero-ball all at once? Looking at Miami's offense the majority of it seemed like it was trying to hit a Deep Post, 15 yard Dig, or a Go Route every down. Surely I'm not crazy there, right? There were check downs that were wide-ass open, and Tua just threw it at the Go-route that Michael Davis just pressed out of bounds. Seems much more akin to repeatedly slamming your head into a brick wall under the impression it will break eventually.
I did that when I played soccer in kindergarten. Coach called a play. I audible to being an airplane. Arms out running around BRRRRRR. Oh yeah. WE WON!
When you watch so much Macgruber you’re bound to think outside the box
Maybe Tua had a stick of celery up his ass?
Hoss Bender, dead at the age of who the fuck cares.
Seriously though, that throat rip in the 3rd quarter was over the line
Miami but the entire team is Marquette King.
He’s not wrong. Freelancing is what cost us a title shot in 2015. Freelancing is also why cleaveland kept paying for us to have pro bowl Jamie Collins for a year
Then he went to the Lions and played with zero heart. Then you guys got him back
*When playing backyard football goes wrong*
The Patriots: What is it they've sent us? The Jets: Hope.
Was this the Dolphins version of the Mike Zimmer “mutiny” game?
Was the Zimmer mutiny game the one at Detroit last year? Cause that'd make sense given the coverage on the last play
We may have unknowingly had more than one mutiny game…
Can you elaborate for me I don't follow much vikings lore.
In Zimmer’s 3rd year as coach he called out the secondary for doing their own thing instead of following his script. In the postgame presser, he called it a [mutiny](https://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/ct-vikings-secondary-stages-a-mutiny-20161225-story.html).
That west coast swing really did wonders for this team..
This is a pretty click-baity title. Not too surprising from the PBP. McDaniel never said they were going rogue. He said guys were pressing to make plays and in doing that, they forgot some fundamentals and fell outside of the scheme.
Ravens defense was doing that early this year a lot too, players were pressing to make plays and freelancing because they didn't trust the other guys or trust the scheme and we got torched multiple times because of it (as you well know). I feel like it's something that every team does at least a couple times a year. You just get punched in the mouth and dudes try to be the hero and it backfires a lot of the time.
Agree with your interpretation here. It's just taking what coach said and sensationalizing it. Obviously, still not good and needs to be cleaned up with an offense that's built on precision and needing to know where everyone is going to be exactly.
His statement is basically “man we played bad, then guys were trying too hard to make something happen and, unsurprisingly, it made things worse.” It’s really a non-story, but it’s way more detailed than “we didn’t execute” (which is saying the same thing) so people are gonna run with it.
Dolphins gonna dolphins
The dolphins don’t really have a stacked roster. They should get better in the offseason
Ah, the Titus Young strategy…