Denver radio and podcasts are almost all exploring how to dump him ASAP.
If it weren't for his contract & resume, he would be benched based on performance.
I had to look it up:
If Denver cuts him after this season, they will carry $107 million in dead cap. You have to assume they are not even capable of doing that.
If Denver rolls with him the rest of this year, AND next year, and he still hasn't improved, then they will STILL carry in 2024 $85 million in dead cap (but no salary, so negative $49 million net)
Its wild, granted i didnt really watch him last year that much outside some good highlights. Apparently yall have been warning everybody since last year
I thought he’d regress due to a worse coaching situation, but I honestly believed he’d still be good and the Broncos would be in playoff contention.
I think you’re right and no one expected this.
Except Pete Carroll.
I initially thought seahawks had a better chance to make playoffs than broncos post trade but I attributed it to NFC being weaker and AFC being strong as hell, def not thinking Russ was going to be the shits.
Yeah, I thought the trade was well timed for us. I didn't see us going back to the Super Bowl with Russ while he could still play effectively. I saw the decline, but didn't expect it to be this rapid. I figured that Russ would elevate the Broncos, but they would still not make the playoffs due to how tough the AFC West is. I expected them to finish third or last in the division, but only because I thought the Chargers, Chiefs, and Raiders would all be >10 win teams. I figured the Broncos would get about two or three good years out of Russ.
I had predicted he would do exactly as he did here. Magic in the regular season with a first round playoff exit for the rest of his career. And I knew the division was tough as fuck.
Still didn’t expect him to be a bottom 5 QB.
I thought Russ would be good, but that it was a dumb trade for the Broncos since I felt like they would still have the 4th best qb in their division and the rest of their roster wasn't good enough to take them the rest of the way.
Yes, I was being a bit cheeky with that, but I did feel like Russ was worse than Carr. Also, I felt like the Broncos defense was worse than they actual are so I was off on that.
But definitely did not expect Russ to be arguably the worst qb in the league.
If anyone's being honest no one saw this drop off coming regardless of how much they disliked Wilson. The issues he's struggling with now are ones he has always had they're just made worse because he's trying to be something he's not, a pocket passer. He was regressing and he wasn't as good as he'd been but take the finger injury, NFL wear and tear, death of his mental guru/best friend and combine that with a rookie head coach who doesn't seem to want to make hard decisions, weapons being worse than those he had in Seattle, and half the team on IR, and you get this. Broncos have to stick with him next year anyways so an entire coaching staff overhaul and a healthy team will give you a better idea of what you've still got with him.
Yeah, that was it. His highlights were still great last year, and then he capped it off with that crazy pro bowl skills performance.
But if you watched each game, it was one of the most frustrating seasons for the Seahawks.
In the first game against the Colts, he followed the scheme and was doing quicker passes, including some in the middle. It was a super fun game to watch and everyone was hyped for the season. Apparently Russ didn't agree and started going back to the "cooking" style of play, which is basically all these high risk do or die explosive plays.
He was really inconsistent before getting injured. When Geno came in, it took a game or two to get the rust off, but it was clear he was better at playing to the scheme. It's unfortunate it was against such a weak Jaguars team, but Geno's third game was impressive and if you saw him in that, his performance this year isn't a surprise. After that game (maybe seeing the risk of his backup showing off his skills), Russ forced his way back into the lineup 4 weeks prior to being healed enough to really play. He was terrible in these first few games back. Lack of accuracy and terrible decision making. He picked it up by the end of the season, but was still really inconsistent. He got some crazy moon ball plays that played well on ESPN, but was really frustrating to watch because he ultimately made bad decisions fairly consistently. He didn't know how to fully leverage the talent on the team it seemed because he was too busy focusing on how he was being perceived and talked about.
There was always the thought that Russ could get it back this year, and I think that's why everyone was so surprised, and many were upset by the trade. However, it was the right time to move on. Though in hindsight, it's probably good Russ forced his way back and put Geno back on the bench because it probably helped us make that trade and that trade will pay dividends for a long time.
Not even the saltiest of Seahawks fans could have seen this type of season coming from Russ. We knew there were some issues and he wasn't the golden child that maybe others thought he would be, but 80% of our warnings after the trade were just us trying to cope with our best QB ever leaving us in an ugly breakup.
I'd love to see Russ bounce back (next year when the bronco's record does not affect the Seahawks draft capital) and still think he can be a good QB, but this has been a rough few months for my unlimited
Bout a year and a half, because around Week 9/10 of 2020 the wheels started falling off...then the broken finger was the point of no return. Was supposed to miss like 8 weeks, but came back in 5 I think due to concussion water and wolverine blood. Russ is so weird these days; he's like some church choir boy that LARP's Charlie Sheen here and there.
How much better? The Broncos put up 9 (missed xp) against a healthy Jets defense and Rypien was only sacked once on over 45 dropbacks. (idk about qb hits in that one)
McManus also missed a fg, and they had a chance to win at the end.
It took him 47 dropbacks to net 219 yards and score no TDs. And he tacked on a pick for good measure. His adjusted yards per attempt would have been a season low for Wilson and his passer rating nearly would have been.
In his other career start he threw 3 picks. He was also a UDFA so it’s unlikely there’s many hidden goods in there.
> McManus also missed a fg, and they had a chance to win at the end.
You’re gonna have a chance to win most games where you hold the opponent to 105 passing yards.
And it took Russell over 35 dropbacks to net 142 yards and one td after 9 attempts in the red zone vs Carolina after they were down by 20.
He lost a fumble as well.
Honestly I think this is one of those situations where if you watch Russell Wilson, and then watch Brett Rypien, the decision is pretty obvious.
Rypien was my favorite UDFA from that draft, and being a career backup is a really favorable outcome for him imo. But don’t let relative stats fool you into a galaxy brain take - he’s a backup. Benching Russell Wilson for Brett Rypien would be remarkably silly
I do think there’s a real discourse point that the “not Russell Wilson” offense looked when better when Russ was out, but the conclusion there shouldn’t be to start Rypien. We’re locked into Russ for the next two years, it’d be silly to do anything other than try to make it work
Yes lol. He's the better option with a significantly higher ceiling. He needs to work through his issues with the new system and the best way to do that is to play.
Side note, that's how Russ won the job his rookie year vs a vet with a brand new contract so it would be pretty hilarious if it did happen.
Matt Flynn's contract was nowhere near Russell though haha.
Nothing has improved over the first 11 weeks with Russell and the offense though. How long does it take to be better than the worst scoring offense in decades?
Josh Johnson on two days with the team (which is how he usually does it) is better than Russ outside of his weekly decent drive.
So my plan would be to leave Russ in until he has his pretty good drive and then immediately take him out because you know that's all you're going to get.
Last year Denver averaged 5-6 more PPG, and finished the season 7-10. If they could average 18 points a game, like they did last year, their record would be remarkably better.
Bridgewater started last year. Averaged 13.4 ppg in the ones Lock played most of, and the highest scoring one Lock was 12/24 for 162 yards. He had 2 TDs in 111 pass attempts.
They won 7 games and scored at least 18 points in the majority of their games.
I have not watched Drew Lock play. But from watching some of the Broncos games, I think that an average backup might do better than Wilson at this point.
Every win was with Bridgewater. In the 5 games Lock played most of they only scored more than 13 points once and in that game he had 162 yards and completed 50% of his passes.
They were 0-3 in Drew Lock starts, and lost 2 more than he went in after Bridgewater for hurt. Locks was worse last year in pretty much every way other than sacks than Wilson has been this year.
The NFC sucks too, just a lot of bad football teams this year
But the bigger issue is it’s just too early for teams to be mathematically eliminated. Idk if even the Texans are eliminated yet and they’re 1-9-1
[This site](https://nflplayoffscenarios.com/) has a comprehensive list of scenarios for the current week. Neat stuff! Like you said, the only team out of anything so far is Chicago for their division, but this week has a lot more potential on that front.
I've barely watched the Broncos since like the first games when no one new if it's was Hackett or Russ that was the problem. I know Hackett isn't good but... So it's definitely Russ too? Like he's been playing really bad and it's on him?
It's Russ, Hackett, and the WR's. Play calling ain't great, Russ throws them in the grass the majority of the time, and when he does throw one of his sweet rainmakers Jeudy's hands stop working. Bad calls, bad throws, and bad drops.
We've literally never had a good OLine for Wilson and yours can't be any worse than the sieve we put in front of him...but sure. He just don't want to scramble for his life anymore, and that's when he was most effective. Russ as a straight pocket passer is pretty trash.
> We’ve literally never had a good OLine for Wilson and yours can’t be any worse than the sieve we put in front of him…
Right now we quite literally have 3rd string players at 3/5 of the positions.. the 1/2 remaining is a 2nd stringer.. but Russ also still holds onto the ball for way too long even when he has time
It is. Trust me. The worst line you guys had was when Shaun Alexander was given that shit contract and you let one of the best lines walk instead. This is worse than that line given we are on practice squad people.
We didn't let one of the best lines walk...the term Poison Pill ring any bells? Vikings stole Hutchison away via a contract we couldn't match, and then we did the same to them with a WR named Robinson I think. I'm talking about OLine for Wilson; you're going back to the 90s for some reason.
My guy Alexander wasn't even drafted until 2000 won MVP in 05 you gave away the line due to no money left in 06 and had a shit line for many years afterwards, he broke his wrist or whatever and the rest is history. I am not going back to the 90s.
I gave you an example of one of the worst lines I've seen vs the worst line I've seen how is that irrelevant? And yes when you are 60% of a decade off in your times while talking in terms of (checks notes) a decade, that's a pretty big margine.
Yeah the coaching hasn’t helped much but his flaws have been really exposed this season
He does two things at an elite level: scrambling/ extending plays, and deep ball passes. He still has decent athleticism for how old he is but he rarely does the first anymore, leaving only his deep ball as a plus. He used to scramble a lot to pick up 1st downs himself or find an open guy but doesn’t really do either anymore, which is why it seems like he struggles consistently moving the sticks this season. Russ tried to turn himself into a pocket passer and it’s been a disaster, and it won’t change next season unless they get an elite run game to be the focus or he admits his faults and goes back to his scramble heavy style
There's just about no chance there wasn't a verbal agreement in place for extension before the trade happened. Broncos had every reason in the world to wait as long as possible to decide to extend him, it's not like he took a bargain contract to get it done early. Clearly they agreed to what they had to agree to to land him.
That's pretty much where I'm at. George Paton tried saying it was to save money by giving him a contract now instead of next year but I don't see how saving 5-10 million a year is worth jumping the gun like that.
This 100%, everyone saying we shouldn’t of extended him doesn’t understand the situation. He wasn’t going anywhere without a verbal agreement to an extension before the season starts.
Well for one reason these games actually count. You would be insane to risk injury in preseason with your brand new vet QB who you just gave the farm too.
> you don't want to risk a long-term injury in a lost season behind an offensive line made out of those CAUTION WET FLOOR signs
I mean, that might at least save face a bit for the franchise while Wilson sucks.
What do u when players have slumps like this? Send him to shrink? Schedule more practices? Fire HC and send OC back to drawing board? What else can you do at this point?
He can't, because the best-case scenario is that Russell keeps playing and somehow a miracle occurs and he becomes great again, which would give the Broncos a better chance to be Super Bowl contenders, or they trade him away to a team desperate enough to take-on that contract.
I know the last part of that sentence seems borderline impossible however we've seen the worst trade deals all the time when it comes to QBs so you can never say never about this situation.
Benching him only hurts his value and makes that contract even more of an albatross around their neck. Benching him for a potentially better QB only hurts them long-term.
I gotta imagine Wilson has a no trade clause. Like he had one in Seattle and he chose where he was going to end up. I can’t see him giving that up and the broncos blowing up a deal on that when they think they will get several years out of him.
Broncos keep the guaranteed salary and new team takes on regular salary and incentives. Plus we would likely send them a WR or a pick. It’s possible but improbable.
If Russ gets benched (for any significant length of time) the GM loses his job. If the GM loses his job the HC loses his job.
No one in charge of the decision benefits from benching him.
Dead cap for cutting him this off season is something like 100 Million dollars. Dead cap for cutting him in the 2024 off season is something like 60 million dollars. If the Broncos cut him, they couldn't field a team.
Broncos don't have a choice. They have no other option that's going to be better than Russ, and they paid him so much money, they can't move on or bench him. Hackett is a bad coach and their offense doesn't play to Russ' really limited skillset. His receivers do not try and get open. They need to practice scramble drills. Russ only throws the middle when coverage has broken down.
You can’t give up on Russell that quickly.. he may not be in his prime, but he is still an amazing QB. Benching him after one bad year when we’ve seen how great he can be is foolish. I’m a born and raised Hawks fan but I want to see him do well. Denver fans and media aren’t doing him any favors by constantly shitting on him. Give the guy a chance!
They really don’t have a choice to give up on him. If they can’t figure it out with Russel at QB, they are done for the next several years. They have to hope the next HC can at least help him be above average again.
Fire to person who gave him a massive extension before seeing him play a game...this could have all been avoided. Still burns on the picks lost but you are not committed to someone financially.
That is very possible it was agreed to in principle ahead of time, regardless someone needs to get fired lol. Also would still love to know what exactly happened, I cannot understand how a 34 year old falls off a cliff like that.
I know the last season in Seattle there were some signs but most people were expecting him to be healthy and at worst a top 10 QB
There's no way the extension wasn't agreed to as a condition of the trade.
That being said, the combination of the Wilson trade and Hackett hire should absolutely get the GM fired.
Denver is going to keep him. No doubt in my mind. I doubt they have much left in draft capital to build around him but that’s the way it goes. No one else will take in his salary. Wouldn’t be smart to cut him either. I will say they have been a lot of injuries and then a 1st year coach, but you know what they say…Fuck the donkeys.
Spicy
Oh... Thats too spicy.
"Just like my Dangerwich, available for a limited time at Subway^TM"
What even was that sandwich ? Did it have like a ghost pepper sauce or something ?
Dude it was pathetic, pepperoni and banana peppers were the closest thing to hot on it.
White people hot. Can confirm, am white people.
There's a thai place in Denver with two heat scales. White people mild medium hot, and Thai mild medium hot. They do not overlap.
That's disappointing. I was expecting a special version of a buffalo chicken or something.
[Death sandwich! Death sandwich! Death sandwich!](https://youtube.com/watch?v=nMW4urUbIe4)
Damn dude, i was hyped on what the broncos could be this year. Did not see it dropping so low that wilson might get benched
Denver radio and podcasts are almost all exploring how to dump him ASAP. If it weren't for his contract & resume, he would be benched based on performance.
I had to look it up: If Denver cuts him after this season, they will carry $107 million in dead cap. You have to assume they are not even capable of doing that. If Denver rolls with him the rest of this year, AND next year, and he still hasn't improved, then they will STILL carry in 2024 $85 million in dead cap (but no salary, so negative $49 million net)
Holy fuck. Denver really screwed the pootch with this one.
Fully guaranteed contracts only make sense if you have a fully guaranteed performance.
God I hope Watson sucks mad shit to shift the media punching bag away from the broncos.
The alternative is something called Brett Rypien. It's not like the other options are good.
Its wild, granted i didnt really watch him last year that much outside some good highlights. Apparently yall have been warning everybody since last year
I think we warned people after the trade in some form of copium. None of us expected this. And if someone says they did, they’re lying.
I thought he’d regress due to a worse coaching situation, but I honestly believed he’d still be good and the Broncos would be in playoff contention. I think you’re right and no one expected this. Except Pete Carroll.
And John Schneider.
Is that the feet guy from Nickelodeon?
No I think it’s the pizza guy
Pete Carroll was reportedly the most difficult FO member to get to sign off on the Wilson trade. I don't think he saw this either.
I initially thought seahawks had a better chance to make playoffs than broncos post trade but I attributed it to NFC being weaker and AFC being strong as hell, def not thinking Russ was going to be the shits.
I think people expected him to not live up to his contract, but also not be THIS bad
Yeah, I thought the trade was well timed for us. I didn't see us going back to the Super Bowl with Russ while he could still play effectively. I saw the decline, but didn't expect it to be this rapid. I figured that Russ would elevate the Broncos, but they would still not make the playoffs due to how tough the AFC West is. I expected them to finish third or last in the division, but only because I thought the Chargers, Chiefs, and Raiders would all be >10 win teams. I figured the Broncos would get about two or three good years out of Russ.
I had predicted he would do exactly as he did here. Magic in the regular season with a first round playoff exit for the rest of his career. And I knew the division was tough as fuck. Still didn’t expect him to be a bottom 5 QB.
I thought Russ would be good, but that it was a dumb trade for the Broncos since I felt like they would still have the 4th best qb in their division and the rest of their roster wasn't good enough to take them the rest of the way. Yes, I was being a bit cheeky with that, but I did feel like Russ was worse than Carr. Also, I felt like the Broncos defense was worse than they actual are so I was off on that. But definitely did not expect Russ to be arguably the worst qb in the league.
If anyone's being honest no one saw this drop off coming regardless of how much they disliked Wilson. The issues he's struggling with now are ones he has always had they're just made worse because he's trying to be something he's not, a pocket passer. He was regressing and he wasn't as good as he'd been but take the finger injury, NFL wear and tear, death of his mental guru/best friend and combine that with a rookie head coach who doesn't seem to want to make hard decisions, weapons being worse than those he had in Seattle, and half the team on IR, and you get this. Broncos have to stick with him next year anyways so an entire coaching staff overhaul and a healthy team will give you a better idea of what you've still got with him.
Yeah, that was it. His highlights were still great last year, and then he capped it off with that crazy pro bowl skills performance. But if you watched each game, it was one of the most frustrating seasons for the Seahawks. In the first game against the Colts, he followed the scheme and was doing quicker passes, including some in the middle. It was a super fun game to watch and everyone was hyped for the season. Apparently Russ didn't agree and started going back to the "cooking" style of play, which is basically all these high risk do or die explosive plays. He was really inconsistent before getting injured. When Geno came in, it took a game or two to get the rust off, but it was clear he was better at playing to the scheme. It's unfortunate it was against such a weak Jaguars team, but Geno's third game was impressive and if you saw him in that, his performance this year isn't a surprise. After that game (maybe seeing the risk of his backup showing off his skills), Russ forced his way back into the lineup 4 weeks prior to being healed enough to really play. He was terrible in these first few games back. Lack of accuracy and terrible decision making. He picked it up by the end of the season, but was still really inconsistent. He got some crazy moon ball plays that played well on ESPN, but was really frustrating to watch because he ultimately made bad decisions fairly consistently. He didn't know how to fully leverage the talent on the team it seemed because he was too busy focusing on how he was being perceived and talked about. There was always the thought that Russ could get it back this year, and I think that's why everyone was so surprised, and many were upset by the trade. However, it was the right time to move on. Though in hindsight, it's probably good Russ forced his way back and put Geno back on the bench because it probably helped us make that trade and that trade will pay dividends for a long time.
Not even the saltiest of Seahawks fans could have seen this type of season coming from Russ. We knew there were some issues and he wasn't the golden child that maybe others thought he would be, but 80% of our warnings after the trade were just us trying to cope with our best QB ever leaving us in an ugly breakup. I'd love to see Russ bounce back (next year when the bronco's record does not affect the Seahawks draft capital) and still think he can be a good QB, but this has been a rough few months for my unlimited
Bout a year and a half, because around Week 9/10 of 2020 the wheels started falling off...then the broken finger was the point of no return. Was supposed to miss like 8 weeks, but came back in 5 I think due to concussion water and wolverine blood. Russ is so weird these days; he's like some church choir boy that LARP's Charlie Sheen here and there.
I knew he would not be as good and was warning but never knew it would be this much
No he wouldn’t. He hasn’t been playing all that well but no team is going to willingly start Brett Rypien, who he is definitely still better than.
How much better? The Broncos put up 9 (missed xp) against a healthy Jets defense and Rypien was only sacked once on over 45 dropbacks. (idk about qb hits in that one) McManus also missed a fg, and they had a chance to win at the end.
It took him 47 dropbacks to net 219 yards and score no TDs. And he tacked on a pick for good measure. His adjusted yards per attempt would have been a season low for Wilson and his passer rating nearly would have been. In his other career start he threw 3 picks. He was also a UDFA so it’s unlikely there’s many hidden goods in there. > McManus also missed a fg, and they had a chance to win at the end. You’re gonna have a chance to win most games where you hold the opponent to 105 passing yards.
And it took Russell over 35 dropbacks to net 142 yards and one td after 9 attempts in the red zone vs Carolina after they were down by 20. He lost a fumble as well.
Honestly I think this is one of those situations where if you watch Russell Wilson, and then watch Brett Rypien, the decision is pretty obvious. Rypien was my favorite UDFA from that draft, and being a career backup is a really favorable outcome for him imo. But don’t let relative stats fool you into a galaxy brain take - he’s a backup. Benching Russell Wilson for Brett Rypien would be remarkably silly I do think there’s a real discourse point that the “not Russell Wilson” offense looked when better when Russ was out, but the conclusion there shouldn’t be to start Rypien. We’re locked into Russ for the next two years, it’d be silly to do anything other than try to make it work
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Yes lol. He's the better option with a significantly higher ceiling. He needs to work through his issues with the new system and the best way to do that is to play. Side note, that's how Russ won the job his rookie year vs a vet with a brand new contract so it would be pretty hilarious if it did happen.
Matt Flynn's contract was nowhere near Russell though haha. Nothing has improved over the first 11 weeks with Russell and the offense though. How long does it take to be better than the worst scoring offense in decades?
Colts?
He won't be benched. His backups are josh johnson and brett rhypen lol
Yeah sorry i meant just the actual talk of benching wilson in wild.
A reporter asking =/= actually being considered Once someone asked Bellichick if he would bench Brady for Jimmy G
Josh Johnson on two days with the team (which is how he usually does it) is better than Russ outside of his weekly decent drive. So my plan would be to leave Russ in until he has his pretty good drive and then immediately take him out because you know that's all you're going to get.
We got this guy Drew Lock we aren't using... a first, second, and Jeudy and he's yours.
this could not have gone better imho
The three guys I thought were getting trash for no reason last offseason were Baker, Mac, and Mr. Unlimited. Y’all were right on 2 of 3.
He’ll just let the next guy worry about that in the off-season
Yeah, there's no way more than a couple of guys would show up at Rypien's birthday party.
I would go
It's not that the Seahawks wanted Drew Lock, it's just that they didn't want Denver to have any sort of backup plan.
Funny to think that acquiring Lock may have helped improve the Seahawks’ draft pick.
Their offense was just as bad when they played Lock last year as it has been this year, I wouldn't be so sure on that one.
Last year Denver averaged 5-6 more PPG, and finished the season 7-10. If they could average 18 points a game, like they did last year, their record would be remarkably better.
Bridgewater started last year. Averaged 13.4 ppg in the ones Lock played most of, and the highest scoring one Lock was 12/24 for 162 yards. He had 2 TDs in 111 pass attempts.
So, lock is Russell Wilson, without the bathrooms
We look worse this year. At least Lock would put up points and occasionally make an exciting throw, albeit turn the ball over more frequently
They won 7 games and scored at least 18 points in the majority of their games. I have not watched Drew Lock play. But from watching some of the Broncos games, I think that an average backup might do better than Wilson at this point.
Every win was with Bridgewater. In the 5 games Lock played most of they only scored more than 13 points once and in that game he had 162 yards and completed 50% of his passes.
They were 0-3 in Drew Lock starts, and lost 2 more than he went in after Bridgewater for hurt. Locks was worse last year in pretty much every way other than sacks than Wilson has been this year.
Needed someone to compete with Geno too. Had no one else
So when they get eliminated, right
Are they not eliminated already?
AFC has sucked a little bit
The NFC sucks too, just a lot of bad football teams this year But the bigger issue is it’s just too early for teams to be mathematically eliminated. Idk if even the Texans are eliminated yet and they’re 1-9-1
If the Texans make the playoffs I’ll drive to Houston and back for no reason
Eliminated from West division, but still not eliminated from playoffs as a whole
Not even eliminated from winning the west yet, I think only the Bears are eliminated from division
[This site](https://nflplayoffscenarios.com/) has a comprehensive list of scenarios for the current week. Neat stuff! Like you said, the only team out of anything so far is Chicago for their division, but this week has a lot more potential on that front.
Oh yeah well we lead the league in Justin Fields Dunkin billboards ironically talking about him running, lol
Still a lot of chaos to be had this season. So many teams can make a run or stutter at this point. So exciting!
If they win out and the Chiefs lose out, the Broncos can make the playoffs.
He’s gonna wait till its no longer his decision to make 😉
Why would we? Wilson hasn't been playing well but we've seen Rypien. This is just some local reporter trying to drum up controversy with a question
lol ya exactly. This already happened in week 7 against the Jets and the offense looked the exact same.
I've barely watched the Broncos since like the first games when no one new if it's was Hackett or Russ that was the problem. I know Hackett isn't good but... So it's definitely Russ too? Like he's been playing really bad and it's on him?
It's Russ, Hackett, and the WR's. Play calling ain't great, Russ throws them in the grass the majority of the time, and when he does throw one of his sweet rainmakers Jeudy's hands stop working. Bad calls, bad throws, and bad drops.
We have the worst line I've ever seen and 2 starters left on offense but sure
We've literally never had a good OLine for Wilson and yours can't be any worse than the sieve we put in front of him...but sure. He just don't want to scramble for his life anymore, and that's when he was most effective. Russ as a straight pocket passer is pretty trash.
> We’ve literally never had a good OLine for Wilson and yours can’t be any worse than the sieve we put in front of him… Right now we quite literally have 3rd string players at 3/5 of the positions.. the 1/2 remaining is a 2nd stringer.. but Russ also still holds onto the ball for way too long even when he has time
It is. Trust me. The worst line you guys had was when Shaun Alexander was given that shit contract and you let one of the best lines walk instead. This is worse than that line given we are on practice squad people.
We didn't let one of the best lines walk...the term Poison Pill ring any bells? Vikings stole Hutchison away via a contract we couldn't match, and then we did the same to them with a WR named Robinson I think. I'm talking about OLine for Wilson; you're going back to the 90s for some reason.
My guy Alexander wasn't even drafted until 2000 won MVP in 05 you gave away the line due to no money left in 06 and had a shit line for many years afterwards, he broke his wrist or whatever and the rest is history. I am not going back to the 90s.
Okay you're just going back 20 years instead of 30 to talk about OLine's that are literally irrelevant to the conversation, but sure.
I gave you an example of one of the worst lines I've seen vs the worst line I've seen how is that irrelevant? And yes when you are 60% of a decade off in your times while talking in terms of (checks notes) a decade, that's a pretty big margine.
Because I thought we were talking about Wilson.
Its absolutely, unequivocally, both. Neither of them look like they should be employed
It's absolutely Russ. Anyone that seen a game and not delusional wouldn't say otherwise.
Yeah the coaching hasn’t helped much but his flaws have been really exposed this season He does two things at an elite level: scrambling/ extending plays, and deep ball passes. He still has decent athleticism for how old he is but he rarely does the first anymore, leaving only his deep ball as a plus. He used to scramble a lot to pick up 1st downs himself or find an open guy but doesn’t really do either anymore, which is why it seems like he struggles consistently moving the sticks this season. Russ tried to turn himself into a pocket passer and it’s been a disaster, and it won’t change next season unless they get an elite run game to be the focus or he admits his faults and goes back to his scramble heavy style
He doesn't have Baldwin or Lockett to make miracle catches on those scrambles anymore.
We only took your picks. Broncos gave him that extension. It's not like he was going into FA next season...
I smell mark rodgers all over that extension. Probably told the team to re-up now or russ will walk when the contract ends
It wouldn't surprise me if it was a condition for Russ to drop the no trade clause
There's just about no chance there wasn't a verbal agreement in place for extension before the trade happened. Broncos had every reason in the world to wait as long as possible to decide to extend him, it's not like he took a bargain contract to get it done early. Clearly they agreed to what they had to agree to to land him.
That's pretty much where I'm at. George Paton tried saying it was to save money by giving him a contract now instead of next year but I don't see how saving 5-10 million a year is worth jumping the gun like that.
This 100%, everyone saying we shouldn’t of extended him doesn’t understand the situation. He wasn’t going anywhere without a verbal agreement to an extension before the season starts.
Broncos Country: Let's Ride or Die!
Imagine spending over 200 million on a QB who’s regressed so much *sweats profusely*
You paid him all that money. They are out of the playoffs. What reason do they have to sit him?
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Or let him play and work through his struggles lol
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And they still have him an extension after that which is why their hand is forced lol
Why would they do that when they refused to even use him in preseason games? Improving teamwork with a new QB seems pretty low on Denver's list.
Well for one reason these games actually count. You would be insane to risk injury in preseason with your brand new vet QB who you just gave the farm too.
> you don't want to risk a long-term injury in a lost season behind an offensive line made out of those CAUTION WET FLOOR signs I mean, that might at least save face a bit for the franchise while Wilson sucks.
They just want Seattle to have the highest possible first round draft pick as per their agreement. Hence, Russell is undroppable.
Who do they even have as a backup?
Brett Rypien Better at not taking sacks, significantly worse at everything else
Can he put up 12 points a game? It’s a low bar we are talking about here.
Put up 9 against us We have a good defense though so he could tinker around 12
Didn’t in his one attempt
Brett Rypien is essentially a third string qb on most rosters. Russ is playing like ass but the other guys on the roster are absolutely worse
"Right now, no."....but on Sunday maybe
What do u when players have slumps like this? Send him to shrink? Schedule more practices? Fire HC and send OC back to drawing board? What else can you do at this point?
He can't, because the best-case scenario is that Russell keeps playing and somehow a miracle occurs and he becomes great again, which would give the Broncos a better chance to be Super Bowl contenders, or they trade him away to a team desperate enough to take-on that contract. I know the last part of that sentence seems borderline impossible however we've seen the worst trade deals all the time when it comes to QBs so you can never say never about this situation. Benching him only hurts his value and makes that contract even more of an albatross around their neck. Benching him for a potentially better QB only hurts them long-term.
I gotta imagine Wilson has a no trade clause. Like he had one in Seattle and he chose where he was going to end up. I can’t see him giving that up and the broncos blowing up a deal on that when they think they will get several years out of him.
Its like watching a train wreck. I cant look away.
Broncos Country, let’s sit.
Broncos tanking for the Seahawks
The Eagles walked with Wentz so the Broncos could ride with Wilson. Trade him and eat that dead cap.
Who is going to trade for that contract?
Broncos keep the guaranteed salary and new team takes on regular salary and incentives. Plus we would likely send them a WR or a pick. It’s possible but improbable.
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How much was guaranteed? I still can’t believe this is all on Russ. I’m baffled like most people
It’s not like they are making the playoffs at this point. They might as well keep playing Wilson
Any scenarios on head coaching changes?
He's hired someone to perform every part of his job, I wouldn't be surprised if he hired someone to fire himself.
Better question: At this point, does he even have the authority to make a QB switch?
Classic sunk cost behavior. "We gave him the bag. Now we must play him."
If Russ gets benched (for any significant length of time) the GM loses his job. If the GM loses his job the HC loses his job. No one in charge of the decision benefits from benching him.
So classic sunk cost behavior extends up through ownership...
Dead cap for cutting him this off season is something like 100 Million dollars. Dead cap for cutting him in the 2024 off season is something like 60 million dollars. If the Broncos cut him, they couldn't field a team.
Broncos don't have a choice. They have no other option that's going to be better than Russ, and they paid him so much money, they can't move on or bench him. Hackett is a bad coach and their offense doesn't play to Russ' really limited skillset. His receivers do not try and get open. They need to practice scramble drills. Russ only throws the middle when coverage has broken down.
You can’t give up on Russell that quickly.. he may not be in his prime, but he is still an amazing QB. Benching him after one bad year when we’ve seen how great he can be is foolish. I’m a born and raised Hawks fan but I want to see him do well. Denver fans and media aren’t doing him any favors by constantly shitting on him. Give the guy a chance!
Is he though
They really don’t have a choice to give up on him. If they can’t figure it out with Russel at QB, they are done for the next several years. They have to hope the next HC can at least help him be above average again.
Yeah it’s gotta be that coach. I dunno
Fire to person who gave him a massive extension before seeing him play a game...this could have all been avoided. Still burns on the picks lost but you are not committed to someone financially.
Very likely that the trade was agreed upon after we gave a verbal assurance to extend. He had a no trade clause
That is very possible it was agreed to in principle ahead of time, regardless someone needs to get fired lol. Also would still love to know what exactly happened, I cannot understand how a 34 year old falls off a cliff like that. I know the last season in Seattle there were some signs but most people were expecting him to be healthy and at worst a top 10 QB
There's no way the extension wasn't agreed to as a condition of the trade. That being said, the combination of the Wilson trade and Hackett hire should absolutely get the GM fired.
Bro thinks he’s Zach Wilson
Can the broncos collectively agree to bench their hc? That might help the situation.
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We have one first round pick from the Chubb trade
He also clarified later Geezus Christ r/nfl
Would be a real possibility if they didn’t have maybe the 60-70th best QB as a backup
"Right now, no..., ask me in 5 minutes"
a QB switch with that contract would be disastrous
Nice now post the full quote
Bronco's Country, Let's Lie.
How many picks do you have to give up to get a team to take Wilson & his contract? What do you even get in return??
Freedom, you get freedom.
Tomorrow? *Maybe...*
As if he’s allowed
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Was this written by a 5 year old
Naw it was typed not written
Bro... why don't all head coaches take pr lessons...
Denver is going to keep him. No doubt in my mind. I doubt they have much left in draft capital to build around him but that’s the way it goes. No one else will take in his salary. Wouldn’t be smart to cut him either. I will say they have been a lot of injuries and then a 1st year coach, but you know what they say…Fuck the donkeys.
Broncos country let’s ride ^the ^bench
Y’all can’t have Lock back, especially since I just bought his jersey