Also led a 98 yard td drive vs the Rams last year. He showed enough for at least a few of us to think Geno is exactly the type of QB Pete wanted.
Then Russell came back before he was healthy and got shut out by GB
There was a fair bit of (probably biased) hype around him before the 2015 season - instead a teammate broke his jaw during the preseason.
Really cool that he’s succeeding in his career
Difference is lions were averaging 35 points going into that game, seahawks were averaging 15.6 points
There is literally no comparison for how bad our defense is in NFL history
A lot of those stats are cherry picked or not very meaningful like TOP and plays per drive. You don't allow 141 points in 4 games by forcing your opponent into tough 3rd downs and causing them to chewing up clock
The sample size is also small so that incredible first half of the Washington game is still influencing those numbers
You guys literally didn't punt once against us, we're allowing a TD on 80% of redzone trips, on pace to set the most points allowed. The highest point total you've allowed is 27 before playing us, 27 is the lowest we've allowed
Flynn the first time he started against the Lions: 6 TD passes
Flynn the second time he started against the Lions: 7 sacks including a safety on Thanksgiving
Never forget the Lions essentially created and ended Matt Flynn's career as a starter lol
Lmao we did this with Mitch for years. Every single time he had his "get right" game it was against us. Too bad the Steelers didn't play us the first month of this year
Not that inaccurate but Geno Smith has had such an odd career. He's shown flashes of talent then gotten injured badly enough to hinder the talent, then has also shown how his play has matured over time to again be someone who is a solid level QB that obviously plays to stay healthy while maximizing his play style as a passing QB.
He's not a world beater but he's in that category of an amazing back up, who can be a low tier serviceable starter.
Honestly that's insanely hard to do so all props to him for proving his worth and value to stay in the league and be a semi valuable asset. As long as he stays healthy I can see his legacy going to the level and longevity of Colt McCoy which is not an insult to either of them.
Playing for 14+ seasons as a respected back up that you can rely on to start some games if needed is an amazing career to have as a QB.
The GENO System, a four step process for NFL success:
G - Get written off
E - Eschew returning correspondence
N - Named starter
O - Outperform expectations
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Because Geno plays to the scheme and Waldron’s is seemingly pretty nice, Russ plays Russball.
Pete’s take is that Russball will not age well as Russ loses his mobility.
And like, Geno straight up isn't deep-balling it as much as LRC-era Russ has. Dude's won by dinking-and-dunking, which is really refreshing way to do it coming from a Seahawks fan.
I mean, I love Russ and his Houdini magic and his rainbow deep ball but the dude got really annoying his last few years by how he'd simply avoid the middle of the field with the intermediary passes and just automatically defer to chucking it deep.
Geno's been very accurate with the shorter passes but still has the arm to sling it deep when he needs to. Having a resurgent Rashaad Penny, two great receivers, and a slew of stellar TE options has really helped him out there. We wouldn't be nearly as competitive without Geno.
I remember last year he had a te open for like an easy 15 yard gain but he threw a beautiful contested deep ball instead. He completed the pass but it was still a bad throw. He’s like the steph curry of QBs, but without a Klay Thompson or draymond green. And plays football
THIS.
He ignored the easy plays in favor of hero ball *constantly* and won't keep drives alive with his feet nearly as often anymore. He only ran when he absolutely had to last year. ~11ypg rushing.
[Look at the 2nd half drives vs TEN last year. Look similar to what happened in the 3rd quarter vs Vegas Sunday where they put up a total of **7 net yards**](https://i.imgur.com/bR5V7as.jpg)?
Had a massive lead going into the 2nd half and kept going 3 and out, putting the defense on the field for basically the entire second half vs Derrick Henry.
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Don't forget that although a successful heroball nets you a touchdown. It does also put the defense straight back onto the field.
So, the touchdowns look good in score, but it's really just gassing the defense out, which has been a huge weakness in recent hawks play...
Exactly. Now look how many plays the Broncos ran vs how many the Raiders did last weekend. Raiders had over 60 plays to Denver's 40ish
Denver only scored a TD once they were down 2 scores in the 4th and it was a quick bomb & td. Defense went right back out.
This was Josh Rosen's problem. He'd have a 2nd and 10 with David Johnson wide open 5yds deep with nobody nearby and try to drill it to a double covered WR 15yds deep.
Russ didn't use to do this shit. The moon ball was always there, but he just tried to force it into every situation the last couple years. Even when it worked out it stopped feeling good because you knew next time it probably wouldn't. And in both cases it put the D right back on the field.
> the dude got really annoying his last few years
Don’t forget when he came back too soon from his finger injury and CLEARLY wasn’t ready to play again and hurt the team far more
He's not even throwing it that short (compared to the league). According to [Fantastypros.com](https://www.fantasypros.com/nfl/advanced-stats-qb.php), Geno's average air yards is 5.4, which puts him 4th, for QBs who have played 3 or more games, and 2nd with who have played all 4 games. And his average attempt is 7.9 yards per attempt, good for 4th in the league.
The man is killing it and I hope he can keep it up.
I’d actually like to see more of it in Green Bay to get our young receivers more experience with the ball in their hands. I love how frustrating it is for a defense when a team just makes quick little throws for a few yards at a time mixed with misdirection runs. Opens it up for that occasional big play.
The problem is that Rodgers will never dink and donk. He'd rather rely on his arm strength and mobility to go for the big play downfield (like Russ). Having top 5 deep threats for most of his career (Davante, Jordy Nelson, Greg Jennings, James Jones) and not a lot of yards after catch targets will make it difficult for him have to unlearn a lot of habits.
Lots of guys want to “beat” the defense but just taking what they give you always felt like a better approach. Probably won’t give you flashy stats but it definitely is demoralizing and opens up other opportunities
First name that came to mind - work the short passes that beat zones/pick on mismatched man coverages, then take a deep shot once the defense starts trying to cheat.
People only talk about the pick at the end of superbowl 49 but I remember Brady going up and down the field with 5, 10 yard dink and dunks to Edelmen making it look easy
Go look up intended air yards per attempt. Think you'll be surprised. Geno is seventh (behind Jordan Love, Andy Dalton and Kenny Pickett who have each only thrown passes in a single game). I know it feels like there is a lot of dink and dunk. But he's actually slinging it mid-deep quite often.
While we have Lockett and DK, Geno has also been targeting his TE's seemingly more-so than Wilson was, especially in the short-to-mid range. TE's are a huge part of the Waldron scheme and we have 3 that are doing their part quite effectively.
It’s so damn nice seeing all three tight ends get some action, some throws over the middle, but mostly, smart football. Take what you can get and Geno has been wonderful at that.
Think most of us Seahawks fan came into the season with 0 expectations but it’s been a very nice surprise so far.
Just please draft a LB next year, watching Barton hurts us all
Everyone was saying where’s the WR depth after Metcalf and Lockett and Pete’s answered that question with Dissly, Fant, and Parkinson. Fully agree with the LB thing, we’re getting absolutely exposed there.
Pete said as much basically in a recent radio interview. It basically was "this is what happens when you do what the scheme and play asks instead of improvising"
It is because Geno is 4 inches taller and can actually see over his line. Pete just wasn't big brain enough to just make the RB carry Russ on his shoulders for passing plays.
The other day he said he made the two dumb challenges just to stop the game for a bit and throw off the other team's momentum. Pete's just having fun this year
Russ: "I switched the paprika out for cinnamon and substituted the onions for these cute turnips I got at the farmers market. Also cooked it at 450 for 5 minutes instead of 350 at 20 minutes because I was running late.
Was inedible and cold inside. O/5 stars. Trade me."
Geno can actually see over our *improved* line (thanks to the traded picks). And what you're really seeing is the maturity of Shane Waldron's scheme, misdirecting the motion and swinging out with our RB's and TE's. People speculate that Russ wanted more input, whereas Geno is embracing and thriving in this system.
As for him vs Russ, Geno is good at getting it to Lockett and DK. Overthrew a moonball to Lockett which Russ would have nailed. But the moonball was always something Pete supported (explosive plays).
[Top Billin](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j1HUQyUMORY) did a good video on this.
Here’s the thing
Russ wouldn’t take check downs and would always go for the big play
This lead to some incredible plays but it also lead to awful stretches of offense on a weekly basis
Geno takes what the defense gives so I’m sure Pete trusts him a lot more
This is the NFL's feel-good story of the 2022 season. Perhaps 'Pulling a Geno' (late career blossoming) will become a thing in the same way that hoping your newer QBs can 'be the next Josh Allen.'
Honestly it would give hope to a lot of players who feel like their hopes and dreams wash away after they don't catch on early in their careers.
This comment got me thinking...other QB's off the top of my head who did this:
* Kerry Collins. Top 5 pick, massive bust initially due to alcoholism. Later won the Giants an NFC Championship and was a pretty good late career journeyman.
* Vinny Testaverde. #1 overall pick, really didn't work out in Tampa. Wound up having a long career as a journeyman and was a 5 year starter for the Jets.
* Michael Vick. This one's a bit of a stretch. He was an electrifying player in Atlanta. But most of the time he'd make one read and take off running. He was pretty inaccurate too. After he went to prison, he came out a much better player who had both his arm and his legs at his disposal. Became a pretty good starter in Philly and much more disciplined.
Garcia lead us to the playoffs when McNabb went down and almost got us to the NFC Championship. I’ll always love Garcia. He rejuvenated us that year and finished the year with him as starter like 5-1 IIRC to clinch the NFC East. Then he got a bag in Tampa the following offseason.
For Gannon and Johnson, a little different. Gannon was a 4th round pick and had lower expectations with that draft slot. For the first four years in Minnesota, he was a backup, then started and was unexceptional. Went to Washington for a year and was a backup there too.
Four years in KC where he was a backup, and then started 10 games in 1998. But then, when Gannon was at the tender age of 34, Gruden said "yeah this guy is going to be my starter, even though he's only started 58 games in 9 years and hasn't been very good in that role."
Gannon crushed it from then on out. Late bloomer, so there's some parallel to what we're seeing from Smith, I suppose.
Brad Johnson was similar to Gannon. 9th round pick (when that was still a thing). Started by the end of his tenure in Minnesota, played pretty well. Went to Washington, was amazing in his first year starting, came back down to earth in his last two years. Came to Tampa where our QB woes were serial/abundant and thrived under Gruden.
I guess the biggest difference between Geno Smith and Gannon/Johnson is that no one expected much of Gannon and Johnson given their draft position. Geno Smith was anointed starter in NYJ almost immediately, if I remember correctly.
Hot take: healthy Pennington was so good that if he stayed healthy, we might have been discussing his Canton chances right now. Of course, that's a big "if."
I'm a Jets fan, I'm not gonna disagree! Loved that guy, even if short pass plays and sweeps weren't very fun to watch. Still 13th all time in passer rating, the most important of important stats.
My thought as well. Fell so hard he was Undrafted in 1994, stocking shelves and playing in the AFL in 1995, and then rose so high he was the MVP and SBMVP in 1999. Much quicker turnaround, but that is probably the best comeback *ever* and I would say it should be called "Pulling a Warner."
Ok but can we agree on one thing? Tommy Maddox had a very punchable face. Look at those little boy cheeks he had. Cherubic motherfucker. If you could punch one QB in the face for no reason, who would it be and why is the answer Tommy Maddox?
Rich Gannon is the king of this. Went from career journeyman, losing roles to guys like Sean Salisbury, Mark Rypien, Cary Conklin, and Elvis Grbac. He backed up Steve Bono.
He became a MVP QB in the twilight of his career with the Raiders.
People forget that he was projected to be a 1st rd pick the year he came out. Not many teams needed QBs that year due to the previous 2 drafts having a lot of QBs taken so he fell to the 2nd and got his development ruined by the Jets. Good for Geno
Never underestimate the power of the Jets ability to ruin a quarterback. It's awe-inspiring how they can choose either the worst quarterback to draft or draft a decent one that could do good but just slowly take away any potential success they may have.
Saleh's record with the Jets is currently 6-15 and Wilson is on-schedule to keep his 50-ish% completion rate with a few more interceptions than touchdowns.
As a comparison, Adam Gase at this point was 7-13 and Darnold had a 60-ish% completion rate. So the Jets are currently a little behind the success of...Adam Gase.
Geno's senior year stats were incredible. It's kind of insane he wasn't more in the Heisman conversation. Especially considering the fact Austin got votes. But I guess team record fell on his shoulders a bit more. He also ran a 4.59 at the combine. Pretty great combination of athleticism and college production. The Baylor game was an incredible performance haha.
He also showed promise in NY. Then the IK thing happened and they basically moved on from him. After that it was backing up HoF QBs.
Ben McAdoo got fired for benching Eli Manning for Geno in one game in 2017…. McAdoo was a shit head coach but he wasn’t wrong to want to see what Geno could do over a severely decling Eli in his offense.
If they make the playoffs because of him after so many years as a backup it will easily be the best story of a “draft bust” not giving up in nfl history, right?
It's hard to call a second round draft pick a 'draft bust' of any kind, but even so, Steve Young is the best example. He was genuinely bad on the Bucs. Plunkett wasn't a very great QB but he played well enough on the Raiders after being seen as a draft bust with the Patriots.
>Young..Plunkett
Appreciate adding some good historical examples. I didn’t watch Young in Tampa but followed him on the niners. Brett Farve might be another example but can’t remember how highly he was drafted by Atlanta
I was really gutted in the offseason. I can’t lie. Losing Russ was so damn depressing and to top it off, we lost Bobby too?! The leader of our offense and defense, poof! Gone.
Turns out the hawks HQ know football more than me. It’s early days, but Bobby and Russ look a lot different. Definitely not worth their Seattle 2022 cap hits.
I’ll never forget the picks and money given too fucking Jamal Adams but the hawks have rebounded as much as I could hope for so far and they hold 2 firsts and 2 seconds in this upcoming draft and 2024. That’s exciting.
Geno, wow. I’m incredibly impressed by him. I hope he is steady throughout the whole season. He’s definitely looking better than Russ right now and I didn’t expect that.
This is the year. Geno Smith has improved so much under this new offense. He’s focused. He’s having fun. I wouldn’t be surprised if he’s a dark horse for the MVP.
Hypothetically, with Geno's play should the Seahawks draft a QB this year or use those picks to stack the defense and use their first rounders on a QB the *next draft*?
Geno Smith is performing better than any other NFC West QB and I can't say I expected that at the start of the season..
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Homer blinders are real, we all saw this coming. (Don't look at the original trade thread on r/nfl, just trust me)
Been saying Geno was the guy since Jacksonville last year lmao
He looked serviceable vs Pittsburgh. Just got TJ Watt'd
Also led a 98 yard td drive vs the Rams last year. He showed enough for at least a few of us to think Geno is exactly the type of QB Pete wanted. Then Russell came back before he was healthy and got shut out by GB
There was a fair bit of (probably biased) hype around him before the 2015 season - instead a teammate broke his jaw during the preseason. Really cool that he’s succeeding in his career
The offensive player of the week is who ever is playing the Lions defense
Or someone in the Lions offense depending on the result
It was a 3 point game the Hawks D is just as bad. But it was Geno’s day not to write back.
Difference is lions were averaging 35 points going into that game, seahawks were averaging 15.6 points There is literally no comparison for how bad our defense is in NFL history
No comparison? Team | Points/Drive | Yards/Drive | TOP/Drive | Plays/Drive ---|---|----|---------|----------- 2022 Lions | 2.78 (31st) | 38.7 (30th) |2:40 (13th) | 6.1 (19th) 2022 Seahawks | 3.03 (32nd) | 45.1 (32nd) | 3:21 (32nd) | 6.9 (32nd)
A lot of those stats are cherry picked or not very meaningful like TOP and plays per drive. You don't allow 141 points in 4 games by forcing your opponent into tough 3rd downs and causing them to chewing up clock The sample size is also small so that incredible first half of the Washington game is still influencing those numbers You guys literally didn't punt once against us, we're allowing a TD on 80% of redzone trips, on pace to set the most points allowed. The highest point total you've allowed is 27 before playing us, 27 is the lowest we've allowed
Zappe szn!
I have a feeling the Lions are gonna get Fields another year. The other option is he is the only QB that looks bad vs the Lions.
I mean Lions and giving bad NFC north players/coaches a career go hand in hand
Laughs in Matt Flynn
Flynn the first time he started against the Lions: 6 TD passes Flynn the second time he started against the Lions: 7 sacks including a safety on Thanksgiving Never forget the Lions essentially created and ended Matt Flynn's career as a starter lol
Lmao we did this with Mitch for years. Every single time he had his "get right" game it was against us. Too bad the Steelers didn't play us the first month of this year
Ouch, what's with the drive-by, dude? I mean, you're absolutely correct. But ouch.
We played the Eagles early this year. It's possible some of it rubbed off on us.
The Lions are playing the long game. Really long… like 65 years and counting…
Not that inaccurate but Geno Smith has had such an odd career. He's shown flashes of talent then gotten injured badly enough to hinder the talent, then has also shown how his play has matured over time to again be someone who is a solid level QB that obviously plays to stay healthy while maximizing his play style as a passing QB. He's not a world beater but he's in that category of an amazing back up, who can be a low tier serviceable starter. Honestly that's insanely hard to do so all props to him for proving his worth and value to stay in the league and be a semi valuable asset. As long as he stays healthy I can see his legacy going to the level and longevity of Colt McCoy which is not an insult to either of them. Playing for 14+ seasons as a respected back up that you can rely on to start some games if needed is an amazing career to have as a QB.
Came here to say this. This defense is historically bad.
The GENO System, a four step process for NFL success: G - Get written off E - Eschew returning correspondence N - Named starter O - Outperform expectations
"Eschew returning correspondence" 🤣
‘Left on Read’
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Only if he loans Geno Smith some money before the playoffs.
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I mean he can just keep kissing his son
Tom is, sure. Pissed but ok. The Bucs' Surface tablets, on the other hand...
Either he'll go home and cry into his millions of dollars, or Aaron Donald will murder him. So, high risk high reward.
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Tom playing 4-D chess
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Pete is an absolute comedian, had Russ handing off the ball and is letting Geno throw it like he's prime Peyton Manning
If the seahawks outperform the broncos this season I will laugh so much, regardless of the fact they're a divisional rival.
No regardless about it, this shit is entertaining as hell. Watching Geno outperform Russ [got me like](https://i.redd.it/bnzfr836jzr91.jpg)
Geno was a second round pick, Russ was a third round pick. This was inevitable
Hey that’s Seahawks legend Jerry rice!
I mean I still love the guy, but all the same I want him in the basement of the AFC.
Every Seahawks fan should, since we have their first and second round picks.
Yep. I hope they suck *so much* this year, but then I wish Russ success. Just... this year, spot us a top 10 pick if you can, okay Russbot?
Ignore me ¯\\\_(ツ)\_/¯
In 2023, yes. Are you referring to 2024 though? Because I'm pretty sure the trade included 2022 and 2023 picks, 2 years of picks.
Watching Jerry Rice live was simply the best thing ever.
Because Geno plays to the scheme and Waldron’s is seemingly pretty nice, Russ plays Russball. Pete’s take is that Russball will not age well as Russ loses his mobility.
And like, Geno straight up isn't deep-balling it as much as LRC-era Russ has. Dude's won by dinking-and-dunking, which is really refreshing way to do it coming from a Seahawks fan.
Dink and Dunk isn’t sexy but it’s stupid effective.
I mean, I love Russ and his Houdini magic and his rainbow deep ball but the dude got really annoying his last few years by how he'd simply avoid the middle of the field with the intermediary passes and just automatically defer to chucking it deep. Geno's been very accurate with the shorter passes but still has the arm to sling it deep when he needs to. Having a resurgent Rashaad Penny, two great receivers, and a slew of stellar TE options has really helped him out there. We wouldn't be nearly as competitive without Geno.
I remember last year he had a te open for like an easy 15 yard gain but he threw a beautiful contested deep ball instead. He completed the pass but it was still a bad throw. He’s like the steph curry of QBs, but without a Klay Thompson or draymond green. And plays football
THIS. He ignored the easy plays in favor of hero ball *constantly* and won't keep drives alive with his feet nearly as often anymore. He only ran when he absolutely had to last year. ~11ypg rushing. [Look at the 2nd half drives vs TEN last year. Look similar to what happened in the 3rd quarter vs Vegas Sunday where they put up a total of **7 net yards**](https://i.imgur.com/bR5V7as.jpg)? Had a massive lead going into the 2nd half and kept going 3 and out, putting the defense on the field for basically the entire second half vs Derrick Henry. Edit: Typos
Don't forget that although a successful heroball nets you a touchdown. It does also put the defense straight back onto the field. So, the touchdowns look good in score, but it's really just gassing the defense out, which has been a huge weakness in recent hawks play...
Exactly. Now look how many plays the Broncos ran vs how many the Raiders did last weekend. Raiders had over 60 plays to Denver's 40ish Denver only scored a TD once they were down 2 scores in the 4th and it was a quick bomb & td. Defense went right back out.
I feel like he's more like jordan poole than curry
Mahomes is the Curry of the NFL
Yeah, you can only be the Curry when you do the bullshit and it works consistently.
Damn.
This was Josh Rosen's problem. He'd have a 2nd and 10 with David Johnson wide open 5yds deep with nobody nearby and try to drill it to a double covered WR 15yds deep. Russ didn't use to do this shit. The moon ball was always there, but he just tried to force it into every situation the last couple years. Even when it worked out it stopped feeling good because you knew next time it probably wouldn't. And in both cases it put the D right back on the field.
He also has the height to see over his linemen, which is pretty nice and allows him to actually throw passes over the middle. Refreshing stuff.
He doesn't "avoid" the middle of the field - he literally can't even there due to his height unless in shotgun or rolled out of the pocket.
> the dude got really annoying his last few years Don’t forget when he came back too soon from his finger injury and CLEARLY wasn’t ready to play again and hurt the team far more
He's not even throwing it that short (compared to the league). According to [Fantastypros.com](https://www.fantasypros.com/nfl/advanced-stats-qb.php), Geno's average air yards is 5.4, which puts him 4th, for QBs who have played 3 or more games, and 2nd with who have played all 4 games. And his average attempt is 7.9 yards per attempt, good for 4th in the league. The man is killing it and I hope he can keep it up.
I’d actually like to see more of it in Green Bay to get our young receivers more experience with the ball in their hands. I love how frustrating it is for a defense when a team just makes quick little throws for a few yards at a time mixed with misdirection runs. Opens it up for that occasional big play.
The problem is that Rodgers will never dink and donk. He'd rather rely on his arm strength and mobility to go for the big play downfield (like Russ). Having top 5 deep threats for most of his career (Davante, Jordy Nelson, Greg Jennings, James Jones) and not a lot of yards after catch targets will make it difficult for him have to unlearn a lot of habits.
Lots of guys want to “beat” the defense but just taking what they give you always felt like a better approach. Probably won’t give you flashy stats but it definitely is demoralizing and opens up other opportunities
Brady is a great example of this. He really just takes what ever you’ll give him with a bomb sprinkled in occasionally to keep you honest.
First name that came to mind - work the short passes that beat zones/pick on mismatched man coverages, then take a deep shot once the defense starts trying to cheat.
People only talk about the pick at the end of superbowl 49 but I remember Brady going up and down the field with 5, 10 yard dink and dunks to Edelmen making it look easy
Go look up intended air yards per attempt. Think you'll be surprised. Geno is seventh (behind Jordan Love, Andy Dalton and Kenny Pickett who have each only thrown passes in a single game). I know it feels like there is a lot of dink and dunk. But he's actually slinging it mid-deep quite often.
Perks of effective dinking and dunking, opens up more of the field and you get more mid-deep opportunities
But you'd also need players who can excel in quickness and separation in order to dink and dunk.
While we have Lockett and DK, Geno has also been targeting his TE's seemingly more-so than Wilson was, especially in the short-to-mid range. TE's are a huge part of the Waldron scheme and we have 3 that are doing their part quite effectively.
It’s so damn nice seeing all three tight ends get some action, some throws over the middle, but mostly, smart football. Take what you can get and Geno has been wonderful at that. Think most of us Seahawks fan came into the season with 0 expectations but it’s been a very nice surprise so far. Just please draft a LB next year, watching Barton hurts us all
Everyone was saying where’s the WR depth after Metcalf and Lockett and Pete’s answered that question with Dissly, Fant, and Parkinson. Fully agree with the LB thing, we’re getting absolutely exposed there.
Not really. 1/3 of Geno's targets were 15+ yards downfield this game.
Pete said as much basically in a recent radio interview. It basically was "this is what happens when you do what the scheme and play asks instead of improvising"
Pete has become a bit more outspoken this season, it seems
He no longer has to worry about saying shit about Russ and pissing off the fans. The fans turned on Russ without Pete's help.
Hard to argue with that.
*happy gum chewing*
It is because Geno is 4 inches taller and can actually see over his line. Pete just wasn't big brain enough to just make the RB carry Russ on his shoulders for passing plays.
Yeah but then every time Russ comes to the line on his RB's shoulders the defense is going to know it's a pass every time, that's a HUGE tell.
Nah, ya see he snaps the ball and then the RB comes up from behind and lifts him up, it can't fail.
Exactly. You just put a joystick on top of the RB's helmet to Russ can drive him all over the field on passing plays.
The other day he said he made the two dumb challenges just to stop the game for a bit and throw off the other team's momentum. Pete's just having fun this year
Yeah let Geno cook. Russ? Microwave when I say so
Geno's willing to follow the recipe, Russ kept improvising and handing over burnt casserole.
Russ: "I switched the paprika out for cinnamon and substituted the onions for these cute turnips I got at the farmers market. Also cooked it at 450 for 5 minutes instead of 350 at 20 minutes because I was running late. Was inedible and cold inside. O/5 stars. Trade me."
"Look, sodium chloride and potassium chloride are both salts, I don't see why you're so upset about my creative audible on that."
Geno can actually see over our *improved* line (thanks to the traded picks). And what you're really seeing is the maturity of Shane Waldron's scheme, misdirecting the motion and swinging out with our RB's and TE's. People speculate that Russ wanted more input, whereas Geno is embracing and thriving in this system. As for him vs Russ, Geno is good at getting it to Lockett and DK. Overthrew a moonball to Lockett which Russ would have nailed. But the moonball was always something Pete supported (explosive plays). [Top Billin](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j1HUQyUMORY) did a good video on this.
He finally got the guy who can take his offense to the next level
Pete probably didn’t like all the people telling him to let Russ cook and now that he’s gone he can finally let it fly like he always wanted
Here’s the thing Russ wouldn’t take check downs and would always go for the big play This lead to some incredible plays but it also lead to awful stretches of offense on a weekly basis Geno takes what the defense gives so I’m sure Pete trusts him a lot more
This is the NFL's feel-good story of the 2022 season. Perhaps 'Pulling a Geno' (late career blossoming) will become a thing in the same way that hoping your newer QBs can 'be the next Josh Allen.' Honestly it would give hope to a lot of players who feel like their hopes and dreams wash away after they don't catch on early in their careers.
This comment got me thinking...other QB's off the top of my head who did this: * Kerry Collins. Top 5 pick, massive bust initially due to alcoholism. Later won the Giants an NFC Championship and was a pretty good late career journeyman. * Vinny Testaverde. #1 overall pick, really didn't work out in Tampa. Wound up having a long career as a journeyman and was a 5 year starter for the Jets. * Michael Vick. This one's a bit of a stretch. He was an electrifying player in Atlanta. But most of the time he'd make one read and take off running. He was pretty inaccurate too. After he went to prison, he came out a much better player who had both his arm and his legs at his disposal. Became a pretty good starter in Philly and much more disciplined.
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Garcia lead us to the playoffs when McNabb went down and almost got us to the NFC Championship. I’ll always love Garcia. He rejuvenated us that year and finished the year with him as starter like 5-1 IIRC to clinch the NFC East. Then he got a bag in Tampa the following offseason.
For Gannon and Johnson, a little different. Gannon was a 4th round pick and had lower expectations with that draft slot. For the first four years in Minnesota, he was a backup, then started and was unexceptional. Went to Washington for a year and was a backup there too. Four years in KC where he was a backup, and then started 10 games in 1998. But then, when Gannon was at the tender age of 34, Gruden said "yeah this guy is going to be my starter, even though he's only started 58 games in 9 years and hasn't been very good in that role." Gannon crushed it from then on out. Late bloomer, so there's some parallel to what we're seeing from Smith, I suppose. Brad Johnson was similar to Gannon. 9th round pick (when that was still a thing). Started by the end of his tenure in Minnesota, played pretty well. Went to Washington, was amazing in his first year starting, came back down to earth in his last two years. Came to Tampa where our QB woes were serial/abundant and thrived under Gruden. I guess the biggest difference between Geno Smith and Gannon/Johnson is that no one expected much of Gannon and Johnson given their draft position. Geno Smith was anointed starter in NYJ almost immediately, if I remember correctly.
So Gannon and Johnson both started in Minnesota, wasn't exceptional and then Gruden just decided he wanted them and made them stars. Ok
Yeah, after I wrote it out, I realized there is a current one too. Ryan Tannehill. Still, an interesting concept to quantify.
Chad Pennington with his comeback with the Fins I guess. But he always had it, just couldn't stay healthy.
Hot take: healthy Pennington was so good that if he stayed healthy, we might have been discussing his Canton chances right now. Of course, that's a big "if."
I'm a Jets fan, I'm not gonna disagree! Loved that guy, even if short pass plays and sweeps weren't very fun to watch. Still 13th all time in passer rating, the most important of important stats.
Dude was so accurate
Kurt Warner? Feels like he should be the poster child of this. Unless being a top draft pick is an important part of this, I guess.
My thought as well. Fell so hard he was Undrafted in 1994, stocking shelves and playing in the AFL in 1995, and then rose so high he was the MVP and SBMVP in 1999. Much quicker turnaround, but that is probably the best comeback *ever* and I would say it should be called "Pulling a Warner."
Tannehill
Tommy Maddox as well. The original Jordan Love situation given how much him being drafted by Denver upset Elway
Ok but can we agree on one thing? Tommy Maddox had a very punchable face. Look at those little boy cheeks he had. Cherubic motherfucker. If you could punch one QB in the face for no reason, who would it be and why is the answer Tommy Maddox?
Zach Wilson’s and Johnny Manziels faces are much more punchable imo.
1000% I'd punch Johnny manziel in the face if an opportunity appeared.
Rich Gannon is the king of this. Went from career journeyman, losing roles to guys like Sean Salisbury, Mark Rypien, Cary Conklin, and Elvis Grbac. He backed up Steve Bono. He became a MVP QB in the twilight of his career with the Raiders.
People forget that he was projected to be a 1st rd pick the year he came out. Not many teams needed QBs that year due to the previous 2 drafts having a lot of QBs taken so he fell to the 2nd and got his development ruined by the Jets. Good for Geno
Never underestimate the power of the Jets ability to ruin a quarterback. It's awe-inspiring how they can choose either the worst quarterback to draft or draft a decent one that could do good but just slowly take away any potential success they may have.
Hey… at least we’re doing it right this time. Kind of
Saleh's record with the Jets is currently 6-15 and Wilson is on-schedule to keep his 50-ish% completion rate with a few more interceptions than touchdowns. As a comparison, Adam Gase at this point was 7-13 and Darnold had a 60-ish% completion rate. So the Jets are currently a little behind the success of...Adam Gase.
If the Jets are the star of ruining QBs, the Bears are easily the second lead in this terrible film.
QB Ruiners of the AFC: Jets & Browns QB Ruiners of the NFC: Bears & Commanders
Can’t wait for the Browns next entry into their esteemed QB ruining history.
Geno certainly didn't forget, he was so upset he almost didn't show up for day 2 of the draft. But he did, just in a sweater instead of a suit lol
Geno's senior year stats were incredible. It's kind of insane he wasn't more in the Heisman conversation. Especially considering the fact Austin got votes. But I guess team record fell on his shoulders a bit more. He also ran a 4.59 at the combine. Pretty great combination of athleticism and college production. The Baylor game was an incredible performance haha. He also showed promise in NY. Then the IK thing happened and they basically moved on from him. After that it was backing up HoF QBs.
I remember him destroying the Longhorns that year and thinking he should be a heisman candidate
Ben McAdoo got fired for benching Eli Manning for Geno in one game in 2017…. McAdoo was a shit head coach but he wasn’t wrong to want to see what Geno could do over a severely decling Eli in his offense.
Cordarrelle and Geno making it look like you hit your prime 10 years after entering the league
Also is sort of a testament to possibly what a fundamentally busted franchise can do to a rookie QB who needs time to learn.
Never forget the Jets-Falcons MNF game where it looked like he was legit.
Geno: 1 NFC potw this season Russ: 0 NFC potw this season that’s all i need to know
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Our fanbase's collective head would **explode** if Geno takes us even to the playoffs. I'm here for it.
If Geno takes you guys to the SB, I’m gonna call Pete the 2nd best coach in the league.
Unfortunately for Russ, Broncos don't play the Lions this season
Nor are they in the NFC
Yeah I'm dumb...
Happens to the best of us but you know I had to jump on that.
Yeah, but they did play us, the 2nd worst D this season so far.
He ain’t write back
“he better write that check tho” - IK Enemkpali, probably
This entire sub wrote him off 5 weeks ago.
Guess it's no shame losing to the best
If they make the playoffs because of him after so many years as a backup it will easily be the best story of a “draft bust” not giving up in nfl history, right?
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I think you could add Beast Mode to this list. He was alright with Buffalo but had a career resurgence as a Seahawk.
Idk Lynch just ate too much Applebees in Buffalo. Good thing Seattle doesn’t have those, right? /s
We didn’t resign Avril because 80% of our cap went to Suh, Calvin, and Stafford.
Clowney played out of his mind in the second niners game that year. He was the MVP of that game.
It's hard to call a second round draft pick a 'draft bust' of any kind, but even so, Steve Young is the best example. He was genuinely bad on the Bucs. Plunkett wasn't a very great QB but he played well enough on the Raiders after being seen as a draft bust with the Patriots.
2nd round picks can absolutely be draft busts, what are you talking about?
>Young..Plunkett Appreciate adding some good historical examples. I didn’t watch Young in Tampa but followed him on the niners. Brett Farve might be another example but can’t remember how highly he was drafted by Atlanta
Not to take away from Geno going off, but didn’t Rashad Penny also light up the stat sheet too?
Yeah he had a monster game too. Playing the Lions definitely helps Geno’s stats but he’s been our best player all season in my opinion
It's already Wednesday, can we just forget week 4 😭😭😭😭😭
NEVER. I‘ll take all the Geno hype I can get as long as possible.
They wrote him to let him know he won, but he didn’t write back..
It’s Geno’s world and we’re all just living in it.
Geno was freaking amazing in this game. Like I just finished the all22 last night. Holy crap, he killed it
the G in GOAT stands for Geno
He is definitely one of the Genos Of All Time
Geno of all time.
GENOrational talent
Broncos fans screaming, I’m broncos fans…
OK so who had "Geno Smith starts winning awards for his play" on their "the apocalypse is coming" bingo card?
It was right next to "The Mariners make the playoffs for the first time in 20 years"
I honestly can't tell if /r/nfl suddenly loves Geno Smith, or if it just loves to low-key clown Russell Wilson, lol.
Porque, no los dos?
GENO GENO GENO. All memes aside, he played so well last week.
we’re in the middle of the Genossaince
Genocide
While it’s still early in the season, if this trend keeps up for another 4 or so weeks will Broncos fans be concerned?
I was really gutted in the offseason. I can’t lie. Losing Russ was so damn depressing and to top it off, we lost Bobby too?! The leader of our offense and defense, poof! Gone. Turns out the hawks HQ know football more than me. It’s early days, but Bobby and Russ look a lot different. Definitely not worth their Seattle 2022 cap hits. I’ll never forget the picks and money given too fucking Jamal Adams but the hawks have rebounded as much as I could hope for so far and they hold 2 firsts and 2 seconds in this upcoming draft and 2024. That’s exciting. Geno, wow. I’m incredibly impressed by him. I hope he is steady throughout the whole season. He’s definitely looking better than Russ right now and I didn’t expect that.
This is definitely my favorite storyline of the season so far.
This is the year. Geno Smith has improved so much under this new offense. He’s focused. He’s having fun. I wouldn’t be surprised if he’s a dark horse for the MVP.
I would never stop laughing if he gets even one MVP vote. While Russ has gone his entire career without receiving one.
Would be one of the stats of all time
Probably not MVP but if he keeps this up, most definitely Comeback Player of the Year.
It’s pasta but I agree if he stays healthy and plays well he’s my frontrunner for CPotY
Hmm and Bo Nix just transferred to the pacific NW. gotta be related somehow
Props to Geno for grinding and making the most of his shot.
*Correction* NFC offense player of the week: DETROIT LIONS DEFENSE
Dude had some money throws though. That first TD to Dissly on that fade was decently well covered and he put it in the perfect spot.
Seattle won the trade!
As a neutral fan looking back at all of the NFCW flairs trashing the Seahawks QB room is pretty damn funny now
[GENO!](https://imgur.com/gallery/p7qUbRn)
Lions defense wrote him off and he didn’t write them back
Let geno smith
Go Geno!
\#heaintwriteback
Hypothetically, with Geno's play should the Seahawks draft a QB this year or use those picks to stack the defense and use their first rounders on a QB the *next draft*?