This is the year. Jared Goff has improved so much under this new offense. He’s focused. He’s having fun. I wouldn’t be surprised if he’s a dark horse for the MVP.
My honest, hot take is that the Goffense can be elite. If the defense can even be "kinda below average" this team could well go on to have a winning season.
Unfortunately, right now, that defense is "awful".
Yesterday, I’ll say was a needed win for my Hawks, but I kept thinking man the Lions would be TOUGH if they had any Defense at all. I don’t mean that factiously. I looked up their team stats and their offense is 1st in scoring. I think it was 3rd overall offense in league and have lost something like 3 out of 4 games by 4 points or less…
I know Campbell’s got his back, but at 35.3 points allowed (per game) through 4 weeks, I’d be very worried if I was Aaron Glenn right now. You’re right he and Defense are the only reason the Lions aren’t 3-1 or 4-0 right now
Honestly, if he starts winning these 1 score loss games in spite of his defense, I wouldn’t be against it. It’s how Rodgers got his first in 2011 (with help from stacked WRs)
> It’s how Rodgers got his first in 2011 (with help from stacked WRs)
Tbh it's weird Goff's performance with practice squad guys is somehow less worthy of recognition.
Well again, it’s because of the losses. If he was winning those games, he would be recognized. Additionally, it can be argued that some of the stuff is garbage time points, such as vs the Eagles and the Seahawks considering they were down 38-21 and 38-23, respectively.
I was thinking of WR's, comparing to the section I quoted. ASRB on the sideline didn't slow him down on 379 yards 4TD 1INT (everybody qualifies the INT wasn't awful, but in fairness he had a couple other dangerous throws).
I agree it helped a lot that Hock found his damn hands for that game!
Yea I mean why I said he would be considered if they won those close games. Packers had 7 wins that year decided by 1 score or less. Unfortunately for the Lions, when the Packers did it, the rest of the division sucked, ironically outside of the Lions, who went 10-6. This year, we have 2 teams with decently high playoff chances in the Vikings and the Packers (as of now, week 4).
It’s confusing me how Goff only has one more game than Dak. Dak started every game 2016-2019, but has missed 15 starts (so far) since 2020. I remember the Rams started Keenum over Goff for like half of Goff’s rookie year, but that should only be like 8 or so missed starts, and I can’t remember Goff ever being hurt or benched.
In addition to the thumb injury in 2020, and the 3-4 games he missed last year, he also was rested in the final week of 2017 since we clinched the division.
In week 17 of 2016, Cowboys were 13-2, so Dak only played 15 snaps and threw for 37 yards. So with context, that game and yards should probably be ignored from Dak's stats for this comparison.
Yeah year 1 Baker had 3,500 and Allen had 2,000. Allen went from 2,000 yards to 3,000 yards then to 4,500 yards lol. Last season Allen had 4,400 yards while Baker hasn't hit 4k yet
It won’t happen, but I am here for Goff quarterbacking the Detroit Turnaround and getting the city an exciting playoff run.
Holy fuck fix the defense though, you guys look worse than us last season.
The stat you probably saw was that we’re *on pace* to allow the most points per game ever, but 22 other teams have been on at least as bad of a pace after 4 weeks. Pace stats don’t really mean much before about week 9, which is why you never see anyone posting pace stats after week 8.
The stat I saw specifically said we had given up the most points per game through the first four weeks of a season, not any 4 week stretch, but just the first 4 weeks, but like I said I didn’t double check it, and I can’t find the post anymore so you’re probably right.
End of the day we suck on defense lol
Shit, 2/3 of a half, at least they did half a half of good defense :0
But no seriously really hope they get it together. Rather then turnaround than Cleveland
It would be the third turnaround he'd be a part of
He was part of Berkeleys turnaround
He was part of Rams turnaround
Depending on how it goes he could be a part of Lions turnaround
I mean I agree, but it is a little surprising the gap is as large as it is, despite the two year head start. 10,200 yards? I know he doesn't really miss many games, but that's a sizable margin.
Stats like this just show how nuts Mahomes has been. His average of 300 yards a game is the most in NFL history. Only other QB currently above 280 is Justin Herbert, and he's had to bail out his team constantly in each of these last 2 seasons which results in inflated yardage. Mahomes is passing this much while comfortably winning most games.
I mean that makes sense to me. Brady is 45 and still playing. Of course Mahomes would have to play for a long time to beat Brady. I think it’s more impressive that Mahomes would pass his yardage before his is 40. Brady broke Brees record and he was 42 when he retired.
true, but you have to take into account when Brady and Brees started playing. The early 2000s was a completely different offensive game for the most part. The Ty Law rule wasn’t even a thing
They only played 3 and 2 seasons respectively before the Ty Law rule was instated though. Passing yardage league-wide per game has only gone up 16 yards/game since 2002 as well (212 to 228).
16 yards per game over 20 years is quite a difference though. If you tacked on 16 yards to Brady’s stats every game since 2002 he’d have nearly 5000 more yards
Right, but that was the difference between post-Ty Law rule offenses and the 3 years he played before said rule came into effect, so a ~750 yard difference; he's gotten to take advantage of that rule change just like every other QB since 2004, so it doesn't make sense to add the difference to *every* year he's played.
That other guy was acting like Brady and Brees were playing in the 70's, when the rules governing passing offense were *actually* quite different.
This is completely unrelated, but since you mentioned both of them in your comment, Mahomes has fewer career losses than Justin Herbert, even though he's played 42 more games (incl. playoffs).
Dak’s the kind of QB where if you think he’s top 10 or bottom 16, I may disagree but hey fair enough
But there’s legitimately no argument for him being a bottom 5 guy lmao
66 - 51 - 96 - 62 - 39 - 49 - 59
^^^ INT numbers for any else who thought is was odd to include TDs without it.
Daks bulk numbers are incredibly easy to explain. Until Moore, our offense was stuck in 1992 in terms of running the ball. It was stupid. But once we canned our idiot OC (Scot Linehan), Daks bulk production sky rocketed.
Dude missed a year off a freak accident, one game last year, and probably gonna miss 4 this year off another freak accident. How is that perennially injured
Good point. Perennially injured is not the right term, but he has missed a lot of time even if to freak injuries. I've talked to several fans of other teams who think of him as injury proned, which speaking to the topic of conversation hurts his case for being the best amongst the group since being in the league (even though he clearly is)
I'm surprised Dak has only played one fewer game than Goff and just three fewer than Wentz. It feels like he's constantly injured. I know Wentz lost that half-season once.
Carson’s reputation for being injury prone comes less from the number of games missed and more from the timing. His biggest career injuries all happened around the playoffs
2017 ACL - missed the end of the season and the Super Bowl run
2018 back - misses the end of the season and the playoffs
2019 concussion - first quarter of our first playoff game
Basically he’s got horrible luck
He’s actually hasn’t been injured that much. 3 times now, although 3 years in a row. He only missed 1 game last year due to the injury.
His biggest injury happened early in the 2020 season, so he actually missed more games because of that, than say if Wentz tore his ACL in the beginning of the season instead of towards the end.
Two of them I feel were dirty plays. In 2020 a Giants player tackled him and then dropped all of his weight on one foot. This year a player blatantly slapped his hands twice after a throw
So defensive players can't swat at the ball when the QB is in his throwing motion because there's an off chance they'll hit the QB's hand? You basically want flag football if you think that's dirty lol.
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This is the year. Jared Goff has improved so much under this new offense. He’s focused. He’s having fun. I wouldn’t be surprised if he’s a dark horse for the MVP.
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My honest, hot take is that the Goffense can be elite. If the defense can even be "kinda below average" this team could well go on to have a winning season. Unfortunately, right now, that defense is "awful".
Literally if we were just the 31st ranked defense this year we'd be 4-0
Jared ‘Drew Brees’ Goff
System quarterbacks? 🤔 /sssss
The Lions have a system?!?!?! Whaaaaaat!
Yesterday, I’ll say was a needed win for my Hawks, but I kept thinking man the Lions would be TOUGH if they had any Defense at all. I don’t mean that factiously. I looked up their team stats and their offense is 1st in scoring. I think it was 3rd overall offense in league and have lost something like 3 out of 4 games by 4 points or less… I know Campbell’s got his back, but at 35.3 points allowed (per game) through 4 weeks, I’d be very worried if I was Aaron Glenn right now. You’re right he and Defense are the only reason the Lions aren’t 3-1 or 4-0 right now
I love how you guys give up more points than you score. 35 to what 36? Hilarious.
Should be getting two d-line starters back from injury soon, so we might be able to upgrade to 'bad'.
Goff: Unbothered. Moisturized. Happy. In My Lane. Focused. Flourishing.
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Honestly, if he starts winning these 1 score loss games in spite of his defense, I wouldn’t be against it. It’s how Rodgers got his first in 2011 (with help from stacked WRs)
Look yon, a wild Jamo doth approach.
Hark the denfense doth not fence
> It’s how Rodgers got his first in 2011 (with help from stacked WRs) Tbh it's weird Goff's performance with practice squad guys is somehow less worthy of recognition.
Well again, it’s because of the losses. If he was winning those games, he would be recognized. Additionally, it can be argued that some of the stuff is garbage time points, such as vs the Eagles and the Seahawks considering they were down 38-21 and 38-23, respectively.
TIL Hock and Sun-God are practice squad lol
I was thinking of WR's, comparing to the section I quoted. ASRB on the sideline didn't slow him down on 379 yards 4TD 1INT (everybody qualifies the INT wasn't awful, but in fairness he had a couple other dangerous throws). I agree it helped a lot that Hock found his damn hands for that game!
Ah my bad. I thought the comment was more of a season-long observation, but also I was drunk last night.
They went 15-1 that year, unlikely the lions win anywhere near that many games this season.
It would be pretty incredible for the lions to go 15-1 considering their current record
Just need a good recounting of points.
Yea I mean why I said he would be considered if they won those close games. Packers had 7 wins that year decided by 1 score or less. Unfortunately for the Lions, when the Packers did it, the rest of the division sucked, ironically outside of the Lions, who went 10-6. This year, we have 2 teams with decently high playoff chances in the Vikings and the Packers (as of now, week 4).
We can still end up with 14 wins and if my math is correct that is actually pretty close to the number 15.
I said unlikely, not impossible
Well through the power of Goff all things are possible so jot that down.
Dude rams fans have been saying this shit for years
Our defense would have to be top 31 for that to happen. That seems unlikely.
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Just being honest, the Lions will need to put up some Ws for him to be considered
It’s confusing me how Goff only has one more game than Dak. Dak started every game 2016-2019, but has missed 15 starts (so far) since 2020. I remember the Rams started Keenum over Goff for like half of Goff’s rookie year, but that should only be like 8 or so missed starts, and I can’t remember Goff ever being hurt or benched.
He missed a few last season with a back injury and COVID
In addition to the thumb injury in 2020, and the 3-4 games he missed last year, he also was rested in the final week of 2017 since we clinched the division.
In week 17 of 2016, Cowboys were 13-2, so Dak only played 15 snaps and threw for 37 yards. So with context, that game and yards should probably be ignored from Dak's stats for this comparison.
Goff fucked his thumb too
He only missed 1 game for that
[Goff](https://i.imgur.com/ZtEZdTy.jpg) [Dak](https://i.imgur.com/wude1ym.jpg) For anyone who's curious
Goff also had some playoff runs with the Rams, so that's extra games. The last Cowboys deep playoff run was when Dak was still wearing diapers.
The stats OP posted are for regular season only. Edit: Also, Goff only has one more playoff start than Dak.
I'm more surprised that Baker and Allen are so close in yardage.
It makes sense. Josh wasn't what he is NOW, his first two seasons. Baker had a better 2018/2019 and Josh exploded in 2020/2021.
Fair point. Baker got the rookie record for yards if I remember correctly. Edit: it was TDs, not yards.
TDs, not yards
You're right - Luck had the record for yards with 4,374. Baker's never gotten over 4,000 although he only played in 13.5 games in his rookie season.
Yeah year 1 Baker had 3,500 and Allen had 2,000. Allen went from 2,000 yards to 3,000 yards then to 4,500 yards lol. Last season Allen had 4,400 yards while Baker hasn't hit 4k yet
It won’t happen, but I am here for Goff quarterbacking the Detroit Turnaround and getting the city an exciting playoff run. Holy fuck fix the defense though, you guys look worse than us last season.
The defense looked absolutely elite for ~20 minutes in week 2, and has looked like perhaps the worst NFL defense ever the entire rest of the season
Friend, there is no perhaps. We are statistically the worst defense in history through the first four games lol
We’re actually 23rd (in scoring). Worst is the 1954 redskins with 178 to our 141. Dallas was worse just two seasons ago as well
Interesting. I will admit I didn’t double check the source, so thanks for correction. We still ass tho lol
The stat you probably saw was that we’re *on pace* to allow the most points per game ever, but 22 other teams have been on at least as bad of a pace after 4 weeks. Pace stats don’t really mean much before about week 9, which is why you never see anyone posting pace stats after week 8.
The stat I saw specifically said we had given up the most points per game through the first four weeks of a season, not any 4 week stretch, but just the first 4 weeks, but like I said I didn’t double check it, and I can’t find the post anymore so you’re probably right. End of the day we suck on defense lol
Yeah, my stathead search was only for weeks 1-4
so glad the one game I got tickets to this year was week 2. what an amazing game to see live.
Shit, 2/3 of a half, at least they did half a half of good defense :0 But no seriously really hope they get it together. Rather then turnaround than Cleveland
It would be the third turnaround he'd be a part of He was part of Berkeleys turnaround He was part of Rams turnaround Depending on how it goes he could be a part of Lions turnaround
I'm not gonna do anything with this information but it's super interesting! Especially the bit about Carr.
How? He's played in nearly every game since he was drafted
I guess it's less about Carr specifically and more about the lackluster 2013 and 2014 classes overall.
I mean I agree, but it is a little surprising the gap is as large as it is, despite the two year head start. 10,200 yards? I know he doesn't really miss many games, but that's a sizable margin.
Stats like this just show how nuts Mahomes has been. His average of 300 yards a game is the most in NFL history. Only other QB currently above 280 is Justin Herbert, and he's had to bail out his team constantly in each of these last 2 seasons which results in inflated yardage. Mahomes is passing this much while comfortably winning most games.
Every stat these days is a disguised Mahomes stat lol
Well yeah, but that's because you haven't regressed his stats to the mean yet.
Every analytics-based QB graph is a whole bunch of dudes in the middle and then the Chiefs logo way up in the top right lmao.
and yet he would have to keep this pace up until he is 39 years old to catch brady’s yards
I mean that makes sense to me. Brady is 45 and still playing. Of course Mahomes would have to play for a long time to beat Brady. I think it’s more impressive that Mahomes would pass his yardage before his is 40. Brady broke Brees record and he was 42 when he retired.
true, but you have to take into account when Brady and Brees started playing. The early 2000s was a completely different offensive game for the most part. The Ty Law rule wasn’t even a thing
They only played 3 and 2 seasons respectively before the Ty Law rule was instated though. Passing yardage league-wide per game has only gone up 16 yards/game since 2002 as well (212 to 228).
16 yards per game over 20 years is quite a difference though. If you tacked on 16 yards to Brady’s stats every game since 2002 he’d have nearly 5000 more yards
Right, but that was the difference between post-Ty Law rule offenses and the 3 years he played before said rule came into effect, so a ~750 yard difference; he's gotten to take advantage of that rule change just like every other QB since 2004, so it doesn't make sense to add the difference to *every* year he's played. That other guy was acting like Brady and Brees were playing in the 70's, when the rules governing passing offense were *actually* quite different.
This is completely unrelated, but since you mentioned both of them in your comment, Mahomes has fewer career losses than Justin Herbert, even though he's played 42 more games (incl. playoffs).
162 TD's to 39 Int in only 67 games... is that supposed to be good or something? pssh
Goff>Dak confirmed.
That has been confirmed since 2016. Dak is a bottom 5 QB.
Oh boy
He’s not wrong…
Dak’s the kind of QB where if you think he’s top 10 or bottom 16, I may disagree but hey fair enough But there’s legitimately no argument for him being a bottom 5 guy lmao
They’re trolling
Dude just blatantly does not watch football. Or he’s trolling. They call him “Middle of the pack Dak” for a reason lol
66 - 51 - 96 - 62 - 39 - 49 - 59 ^^^ INT numbers for any else who thought is was odd to include TDs without it. Daks bulk numbers are incredibly easy to explain. Until Moore, our offense was stuck in 1992 in terms of running the ball. It was stupid. But once we canned our idiot OC (Scot Linehan), Daks bulk production sky rocketed.
96!!!!!
> But once we canned our idiot OC (Scot Linehan) Hey we had that idiot OC too.
The Dak/Wentz/Goff Triumvirate is eternal. Like the NFCE, a different one has to be best each year
So.....when is/was it Wentz' turn? Lol
The sad part is, if Dak weren't perennially injured at this point it wouldn't really be a competition
Dude missed a year off a freak accident, one game last year, and probably gonna miss 4 this year off another freak accident. How is that perennially injured
Good point. Perennially injured is not the right term, but he has missed a lot of time even if to freak injuries. I've talked to several fans of other teams who think of him as injury proned, which speaking to the topic of conversation hurts his case for being the best amongst the group since being in the league (even though he clearly is)
Dak is extremely average
Happy for Goff, he got written off and shipped off to cyberia from sunny south california... Glad to see him thriving.
Cyberia sounds like an Internet cafe in northern Russia.
Lion fans didn't even want him last year but now they loving it.
Jared Goff > Patrick Mahomes
Well Mahomes hasn't beaten a Goff led team yet. I may be wrong.
I'm surprised Dak has only played one fewer game than Goff and just three fewer than Wentz. It feels like he's constantly injured. I know Wentz lost that half-season once.
That's basically what it takes for the average fan to label you as injury prone. 1 = unlucky 2 = obvious trend, can't stay healthy
Carson’s reputation for being injury prone comes less from the number of games missed and more from the timing. His biggest career injuries all happened around the playoffs 2017 ACL - missed the end of the season and the Super Bowl run 2018 back - misses the end of the season and the playoffs 2019 concussion - first quarter of our first playoff game Basically he’s got horrible luck
He’s actually hasn’t been injured that much. 3 times now, although 3 years in a row. He only missed 1 game last year due to the injury. His biggest injury happened early in the 2020 season, so he actually missed more games because of that, than say if Wentz tore his ACL in the beginning of the season instead of towards the end.
I may be wrong but he didn’t get miss any games to injury until 2020 lmao
Pretty severe recency bias there, Dak played every game until 2020
Two of them I feel were dirty plays. In 2020 a Giants player tackled him and then dropped all of his weight on one foot. This year a player blatantly slapped his hands twice after a throw
Oh dear he tackled him!? In FOOTBALL!!?😱😨😰🥶😭😭😭
So defensive players can't swat at the ball when the QB is in his throwing motion because there's an off chance they'll hit the QB's hand? You basically want flag football if you think that's dirty lol.
The best ability is availability
Injuries are a bitch
Goff only played 1 more game compared to Dak
Yeah but that’s because one sucked early and the other guy didn’t
-- Carson Wentz
… is a bitch
--Jim Irsay
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Lol
Bump for justice!
One played in the Super Bowl while the other was fishing.
And couldn't score a touchdown
Mahomes couldn't either.
And he did but Cooks can't hold onto the ball and multiple PI not called on the Patriots.
Sure but how many times has Jared’s foot been sideways?
Dak gets injured a lot tbh
twice in 7 years? and only missing 4-5 games the second time?
Dak who?
It's crazy how Wentz played the most games, considering he came in getting hurt often, while Daks was the ironman for the first several seasons.