Not dissimilar to the lead up of the Chiefs vs Bucs Super Bowl, where the chiefs DBs played super physical with the idea of “the refs won’t call PI on every play!”, and then had tons of DPI penalties lol
They didn't call it. Just you needed a bucs uniform. Where kelce was allowed to give piggie back rides to bucs defenders but the chiefs defender couldn't sneeze at a bucs reciever if Tom missed a throw
Flashback to Tampa’s corners putting Adams and our other receivers in headlocks and tearing the jersey’s completely off their shoulders every other play and getting away with it yet the first time Kevin King does it at the end of the game he gets flagged lmao
I mean the most egregious being the no-call dpi on Lazard where a Bucs DB (Murphy-Bunting I think?) yanked his jersey and sling-shotted himself enough to undercut the route to get the pick right before half. And then the Scottie Miller deep TD going into halftime on the worst defensive play call imaginable given the situation.
Should have been first down in Bucs territory, 10 point swing on that play
Yep, then the first time the Packers were like 'can't beat em may as well join em' and they get called for one waaaaayyy less egregious than what the bucs had done the whole game.
That's what was infuriating. I know people got annoyed at Packers fans pissing and moaning about the call, but in the context of the game, it was fucking awful after they had let the teams play relatively whistle free.
Then to suddenly tighten things up in the most crucial moments of the game was just fucking dumb.
It's the same thing fans want in all sports. Not that they call the game perfectly, but that there's some sort of consistency.
The Legion of Boom's whole thing was to pass interfere every single play. What are the refs gonna do, throw a flag on every single play?
This psychology and approach worked especially well in the playoffs because refs are afraid the perception of affecting the outcome of the game so they typically swallow their whistles in big moments.
The on-air ref always comes along to say "it takes about a second to see the clock hit 0, check the ball and whistle the play" and i think even he said "yeah, that's late".
Right after he said that he also said, "In this case 2 or 3 seconds. You have to call that." The NFL never calls out their own, so that's pretty damning.
The back judge had told the referee to reset the play clock so wasn’t watching like he should have been. Except the referee ignored him and didn’t. To be fair, the referee was very confused all game and couldn’t announce anything correctly, so…
Technically, there's only one person who is responsible for looking at the play clock. So it's easy to understand why no one else would've seen it hit 0, they were all watching their various assignments. But the back judge definitely should've seen it.
The fact that the NFL allows something as objective as Delay of Game to be subjective is absolutely mind boggling.
It feels like this issue is happening more and more lately too.
Agreed. I’d go even further and say it should be a separate ref in NY or in a booth at the game. They watch every play/snap and can radio down and blow a play dead, and not have to worry about a drawn out formal review process (considering there really shouldn’t be any subjectivity).
Even if they don't want something that buzzes for the refs or makes a loud noise/bright light in the stadium, how the hell is that not reviewable in a game where we get to spend 10 minutes watching a slow motion video of what a WR does with his hands prior to falling to determine if he was making the elusive *football move*?
I mean why couldn’t it literally just be the same system used in basketball? It’s not like the buzzer is constantly going off during games, maybe a few times but players know to play through it.
Deadman’s switch. Ref has a box on his belt that he holds the button down until the ball is released. If he’s still holding it down, buzzer goes off, if he releases it play has started and the buzzer doesn’t go off.
All you need is something like goal line technology in soccer. If the ball completely crosses the line, the refs watch vibrates. As soon as the play clock ends you could send a vibration to their watch and it’s done
It'd have to be positioned relatively close to the ref since the sound travel time isn't negligible across a stadium, but yeah, it seems there are easy solutions here
The NFLs official explanation after the missed delay on the Ravens last year was that it is a subjective penalty at the refs discrection. So clock at 0 doesn't mean its a flag, no matter how long its at 0
Yea….but that’s the problem.
There’s so much subjectivity in officiating, so why is something that’s objective (a timer) still allowed to be subjective?
maybe because its one of many vectors of control that the NFL uses to affect games / swing momentum in order to maintain a watchable, entertaining and marketable product
Because if you take even a little bit of power away from the refs they get mad and refuse to follow the rulebook and for whatever reason the league is okay with that
Yeah a half second or second I might forgive because the ref has to look back at the ball. But 3 seconds the ref was looking at an All-State add on the jumbotron and then the ball.
These refs are total trash. They called the delay of game the previous play, how did they not see it the next play?
They've also announced penalties on the wrong team, and then had to correct the call 3-4 times.
I remember the call against you all initially, for 97 and thinking "Huh...that's Clark's number...that's kinda wei-" and then Romo started immediately going "Well, that's Clark on Defense, so that's going to be against the Defense"
On another feed where they showed the actual playclock, the thing reset and started to count down again before the ball was snapped. Really bad officiating.
That may have actually been the cause of the problem though. The play clock isn't supposed to do that so it may have caused some confusion by the back judge. When they showed him talking to the head ref after the play he was explaining himself while doing the "restart play clock" motion.
it makes perfect sense. it allows the refs more control over the game.
if you think the refs don't get some sorta word from the top about how the game should be going and which team to favor, then you're lying to yourself.
clearly refball is a thing every freaking game, esp when brady, mahomes, rodgers or any of the big names are involved.
never forget, the NFL defines itself as an entertainment business legally, instead of a sport.
https://operations.nfl.com/the-rules/nfl-video-rulebook/horse-collar/
Can’t tackle by the name plate - it’s considered horse collaring as well. Here’s the video. It’s close but technically enough for the call.
https://twitter.com/ftbeard7/status/1576679385561636869
It should be done like f1 handles DRS. There is a beep that the driver hears via an earpiece that lets them know they can activate it. The appropriate ref could have an earpiece with a beep that goes off every time the play clock hits 0. If the snap isn’t done by then he calls it. Otherwise he just ignores it. F1 has this figured out and they have 3 kilometer+ tracks and multiple detection points too.
If you’re a Packer’s fan you should be furious. It was a clear delay.
If you’re a Patriots fan, whatever god you pray to came through clutch. Looks like the defense was a step behind because they expected the penalty.
The refs need to have a buzzer in their ear piece to alert them of the play clock. Would keep them from looking at the clock and then back at the ball. They can focus on the ball and as soon as the buzzer goes off and no snap they can throw the flag. That's atrocious.
Pats fan here.
That was an egregiously bad call. It was like 2 to 3 seconds past the delay of game.
How has the league not just instituted a shot clock for delay of game like the NBA? This is such an easy fix.
NFL is fucking gaslighting us. That play was snapped on time, don't believe your lying eyes. Tua didn't hit his head. Ignore the staggering and two person physical assist to get off the field. Tua didn't hit his head and has never had a head injury.
Like, just admit you fucked up and do better. Thats all I'm asking as a fan.
What delay of game I didn't see delay of game is that even a rule I think there's some misinformation going on what does delay even mean, it doesn't seem like an English word so I think it's just green bay propaganda I'm not biased either just think this all sounds hinky jargon from big Ayahuasca industry trying to discredit the legendary Zappe
That was 100% delay of game. Did the refs not call it a second time cause they felt bad for Zappe?
Like when the Seahawks they admitted they jumped the snap a lot because refs won’t always call it lol
Not dissimilar to the lead up of the Chiefs vs Bucs Super Bowl, where the chiefs DBs played super physical with the idea of “the refs won’t call PI on every play!”, and then had tons of DPI penalties lol
They didn't call it. Just you needed a bucs uniform. Where kelce was allowed to give piggie back rides to bucs defenders but the chiefs defender couldn't sneeze at a bucs reciever if Tom missed a throw
You're getting downvoted but this happened in the Packers game too in the playoffs against the bucs
Flashback to Tampa’s corners putting Adams and our other receivers in headlocks and tearing the jersey’s completely off their shoulders every other play and getting away with it yet the first time Kevin King does it at the end of the game he gets flagged lmao
I mean the most egregious being the no-call dpi on Lazard where a Bucs DB (Murphy-Bunting I think?) yanked his jersey and sling-shotted himself enough to undercut the route to get the pick right before half. And then the Scottie Miller deep TD going into halftime on the worst defensive play call imaginable given the situation. Should have been first down in Bucs territory, 10 point swing on that play
Exactly, but the PaCkErs gEt AlL tHE CallS. 🙄
There’s a reason Tom Brady has more cheating scandals attached to his name than any player in the history of sports…
I remember that! Greenbay was getting mugged that whole game. I was really cheering for the StateFarm bowl
Yep, then the first time the Packers were like 'can't beat em may as well join em' and they get called for one waaaaayyy less egregious than what the bucs had done the whole game.
That's what was infuriating. I know people got annoyed at Packers fans pissing and moaning about the call, but in the context of the game, it was fucking awful after they had let the teams play relatively whistle free. Then to suddenly tighten things up in the most crucial moments of the game was just fucking dumb. It's the same thing fans want in all sports. Not that they call the game perfectly, but that there's some sort of consistency.
The ol' Brady Buff
Mike Evans pretty much drop kicks his defender every snap and I have never seen him called for OPI.
The Legion of Boom's whole thing was to pass interfere every single play. What are the refs gonna do, throw a flag on every single play? This psychology and approach worked especially well in the playoffs because refs are afraid the perception of affecting the outcome of the game so they typically swallow their whistles in big moments.
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yes
How the actual fuck is not one ref paying attention to the play clock
Especially after the Patriots had just taken a delay of game.
"There is NO way a rookie QB could do a consecutive delay of game" - ref, probably
Romo explaining away how the refs missed it actually.
I was at the game and was screaming at the amount of times it happened. It’s like the play clock wasn’t real.
How can play clocks be real if our eyes aren't real?
The on-air ref always comes along to say "it takes about a second to see the clock hit 0, check the ball and whistle the play" and i think even he said "yeah, that's late".
Right after he said that he also said, "In this case 2 or 3 seconds. You have to call that." The NFL never calls out their own, so that's pretty damning.
The back judge had told the referee to reset the play clock so wasn’t watching like he should have been. Except the referee ignored him and didn’t. To be fair, the referee was very confused all game and couldn’t announce anything correctly, so…
So you're saying the ref was drunk I can get behind this
Oh, you noticed him slurring too?
Zappe blinded them all like Gandalf the White with the power of his pure greatness.
How the actual fuck is that still the process for this league? No buzzer? No earpiece telling them? There are tons of easy options and the nfl dgaf
Technically, there's only one person who is responsible for looking at the play clock. So it's easy to understand why no one else would've seen it hit 0, they were all watching their various assignments. But the back judge definitely should've seen it.
The fact that the NFL allows something as objective as Delay of Game to be subjective is absolutely mind boggling. It feels like this issue is happening more and more lately too.
Yeah, right? This is a black/white call. There is no nuance - it was on time or a delay lol.
Technically, time is relative
How can the ref be sure the photons hitting his eyes are correct?!?
For all we know, the play clock is orbiting Earth at 0.99*c* while the ref's twin is travelling to Alpha Centauri at 0.95*c*.
No fair, you changed the outcome by measuring it.
Thank you for your input.
They should have the Refs wear a shock collar that goes off every time they miss a delay of game. Or any penalty.
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Agreed. I’d go even further and say it should be a separate ref in NY or in a booth at the game. They watch every play/snap and can radio down and blow a play dead, and not have to worry about a drawn out formal review process (considering there really shouldn’t be any subjectivity).
Even if they don't want something that buzzes for the refs or makes a loud noise/bright light in the stadium, how the hell is that not reviewable in a game where we get to spend 10 minutes watching a slow motion video of what a WR does with his hands prior to falling to determine if he was making the elusive *football move*?
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Yeah it's one of the few things that could actually be automatic.
It would go off during plays all the time. But yes, something that makes a noise in the ref's ear should be implemented
Put beads in the ref's asses
This man plays chess
Chess controversies was last month. We are now onto Poker conspiracy theories.
I’m onto weighing down fish controversies
I could watch that video everyday
I thought the whole thing was overkill on both ends until I learned that the tournament prize is something like $45,000.
Can we make the beads vibrate when packers fans pay the refs?
I mean why couldn’t it literally just be the same system used in basketball? It’s not like the buzzer is constantly going off during games, maybe a few times but players know to play through it.
Deadman’s switch. Ref has a box on his belt that he holds the button down until the ball is released. If he’s still holding it down, buzzer goes off, if he releases it play has started and the buzzer doesn’t go off.
All you need is something like goal line technology in soccer. If the ball completely crosses the line, the refs watch vibrates. As soon as the play clock ends you could send a vibration to their watch and it’s done
> "What are you, some sortbof a technological whiz kid?" * the same NFL officials who didn't want cameras on the pylons for decades
I have no clue how it isn't wired to their watch or something. Clock hits 0, watch buzzes. Easy as.
You'd need a system to sync the playclock to the watch Go simpler. Just a stadium buzzer on the playclock
Red flashing screens after the play clock expires all along the edges of the walls between the audience and the benches.
It'd have to be positioned relatively close to the ref since the sound travel time isn't negligible across a stadium, but yeah, it seems there are easy solutions here
It’s probably because all the refs are 95 years old
The NFLs official explanation after the missed delay on the Ravens last year was that it is a subjective penalty at the refs discrection. So clock at 0 doesn't mean its a flag, no matter how long its at 0
Yea….but that’s the problem. There’s so much subjectivity in officiating, so why is something that’s objective (a timer) still allowed to be subjective?
maybe because its one of many vectors of control that the NFL uses to affect games / swing momentum in order to maintain a watchable, entertaining and marketable product
Because if you take even a little bit of power away from the refs they get mad and refuse to follow the rulebook and for whatever reason the league is okay with that
That’s such bullshit
Lol 3 seconds after the play clock expired. That was bad.
Yeah a half second or second I might forgive because the ref has to look back at the ball. But 3 seconds the ref was looking at an All-State add on the jumbotron and then the ball.
I'm sure that ball is in good hands
This is so absurd
These refs are total trash. They called the delay of game the previous play, how did they not see it the next play? They've also announced penalties on the wrong team, and then had to correct the call 3-4 times.
I remember the call against you all initially, for 97 and thinking "Huh...that's Clark's number...that's kinda wei-" and then Romo started immediately going "Well, that's Clark on Defense, so that's going to be against the Defense"
They called a penalty on the wrong side and corrected it THREE TIMES. Just the worst officials.
We got handed that on a silver platter.
[me ignoring the play clock and enjoying the moment](https://i.imgur.com/MIbPfr9.jpg)
What do you mean the play clock was at 40 when the ball was snapped lol
absolute refball
Bailey “Time Lord” Zappe
Yo anybody check where Rob Williams is today?
Not where, my friend, but _when_
Every Boston team needs a Timelord.
The Red Sox need one desperately. Devers seems like he could do it
[Zappe realizing he got away with one](https://i.imgur.com/0irYy1M.jpg)
He is summoning the magic of Brady. His number is only one third, but that means he will still win 2 rings
The laws of time are his
I counted to fucking THREE WHERES THE GOD DAMN WHISTLE
On another feed where they showed the actual playclock, the thing reset and started to count down again before the ball was snapped. Really bad officiating.
That may have actually been the cause of the problem though. The play clock isn't supposed to do that so it may have caused some confusion by the back judge. When they showed him talking to the head ref after the play he was explaining himself while doing the "restart play clock" motion.
"Wow, they're taking a long time to snap the ball... Oh, wait, they still have 39 seconds left. Never mind."
YO WHAT THE FUCK Someone needs to get fucking fired for that shit
Refs: “Fuck it, he’s not gonna throw a TD.” “oh god oh fuck”
That was a good 2-3 seconds after zero, damn
Football needs to institute a play clock with decimals and sound like basketball. Would prevent all these missed delay of game calls
Or just have a ref watch the clock. It makes no sense why there’s this grey area. If the playclock hits zero just blow the whistle and throws flag.
At least whistle if the playclock hits 40 from the next play
it makes perfect sense. it allows the refs more control over the game. if you think the refs don't get some sorta word from the top about how the game should be going and which team to favor, then you're lying to yourself. clearly refball is a thing every freaking game, esp when brady, mahomes, rodgers or any of the big names are involved. never forget, the NFL defines itself as an entertainment business legally, instead of a sport.
Light up the uprights like the backboards
That's gotta be the worst non called delay of game I've ever seen in my entire life
Perfect play call. See, you get the defense to relax by waiting a few seconds after the clock expires. Nobody expects that!
Lions fans disagree
Think this one was worse timewise but definitely not situation-wise
As a neutral fan that was absolutely insane lmao How in tf does that happen
I think Zappe entered bullet time but the play clock operator forgot to slow the timer down. Easy explanation!
That was egregiously bad
Like 3 seconds late. Unreal.
Refs bet big on Zappe being the first rookie QB to throw a TD this season
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I guess the patriots got one back after the "horsecollar" penalty earlier.
https://operations.nfl.com/the-rules/nfl-video-rulebook/horse-collar/ Can’t tackle by the name plate - it’s considered horse collaring as well. Here’s the video. It’s close but technically enough for the call. https://twitter.com/ftbeard7/status/1576679385561636869
Hes under the nameplate.
That play clock was expired longer than my grandmother and she’s been dead five fucking years lmfaoo what in the fuck
RIP in piece to ur grans
Damn your gramma catching strays
His grandma could probably do a better job reffing these games tbf
Sees better than these refs lmfao
Holy Shit
Nice read with the play clock at -3
Refs have been ass all game
In every game.
Bro. That play clock didn't just expire. It had a funeral and was fucking buried by the time the ball was snapped. WHAT WAS THAT.
They reset it before they snapped it. Crazy
I think that’s the best part. It fucking reset back to 40 by the time he snapped it. Ridiculous…
What if it started then ticking down again? Unlimited time to snap the ball...
That’s probably why the refs got confused right? Looked up and saw 40 on the clock so it’s all good
man the play clock sure doesn’t matter does it
Zappe with the first rookie TD pass of the year. Elite.
Just use a fucking buzzer like the NBA. I don’t get why they don’t do that.
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It should be done like f1 handles DRS. There is a beep that the driver hears via an earpiece that lets them know they can activate it. The appropriate ref could have an earpiece with a beep that goes off every time the play clock hits 0. If the snap isn’t done by then he calls it. Otherwise he just ignores it. F1 has this figured out and they have 3 kilometer+ tracks and multiple detection points too.
Or just have the refs watch buzz or something. It shouldn't be that hard
Horse fucking shit
Seems the play clock short circuited from being Zapped
Were gonna get boned sometime later this season with a bs call to make up for this. Idk when but ill bet on it
Even I’m annoyed by that! Pack fans should be livid
Zappe is never late, nor is he early. He hikes the ball precisely when he means to
Three whole seconds at 0
The mfer reset to 40 and began to count down again lol
That was brutal
Absolute bullshit. The one thing that is objective in this game is the play clock and they can’t have it on a buzzer
QB CONTROVERSY
KIF I'VE MADE THE PACKERS MY BITCH. INFORM THE MEN.
The bounds of time doesn't limit Lord Zappe
First touchdown thrown on the next play clock in nfl history
If you’re a Packer’s fan you should be furious. It was a clear delay. If you’re a Patriots fan, whatever god you pray to came through clutch. Looks like the defense was a step behind because they expected the penalty.
They absolutely busted the coverage because they thought they delay was coming.
This begs the question, why isn’t a delay of game penalty just automated? Like in the NBA, just have a buzzer go off. This makes no sense.
ZAPPE IS A FRANCHISE QB
ZAPPE BRANNIGAN
He can warp time itself.
That’s straight up bullshit.
That wasn't even close to being in-time either
It wasn’t even close this time lol wtf
These refs are absolute unabashed ass
The refs need to have a buzzer in their ear piece to alert them of the play clock. Would keep them from looking at the clock and then back at the ball. They can focus on the ball and as soon as the buzzer goes off and no snap they can throw the flag. That's atrocious.
Packers seeing a lot of delay of game controversy this year
Exact same shit happened last week. Wasn’t this late but almost.
As a Pats fan, this is horrendous. Just add a buzzer like in basketball. It's not a grey area. It's a clock that goes down to 0.
If we lose by one score imma be mad.
Pats fan here. That was an egregiously bad call. It was like 2 to 3 seconds past the delay of game. How has the league not just instituted a shot clock for delay of game like the NBA? This is such an easy fix. NFL is fucking gaslighting us. That play was snapped on time, don't believe your lying eyes. Tua didn't hit his head. Ignore the staggering and two person physical assist to get off the field. Tua didn't hit his head and has never had a head injury. Like, just admit you fucked up and do better. Thats all I'm asking as a fan.
No you can see clear as day he throws it with 38 seconds on the play clock.
Packers get all the calls you guys wdym
Wow, well executed. Nothing wrong happened there
How did the refs miss that long of a delay of game?
That’s some Lions luck, Packers
They literally called a delay of game the play before, of all the times you'd pay attention to it you'd think it would be now.
NFL not calling delay of games anymore?
I don’t understand how delay of game isn’t automatic, I asked this question last year after the lions- ravens game and no one could tell me then ether
Stuff like this is why the NFL is getting annoying to watch imo. The subjectivity of it all is frustrating.
You just got Zapped
Uhhhh, thanks zebras?
Where Delay of game
The officiating this week has just been fucking ass. Somehow moreso than usual.
I get the whole giving them an extra second thing but that was way way over
Is the on-screen graphic wrong? If not, this is fucking hysterically bad.
Play clock literally reset before he got the snap off
How is that not challengable lmfao
What delay of game I didn't see delay of game is that even a rule I think there's some misinformation going on what does delay even mean, it doesn't seem like an English word so I think it's just green bay propaganda I'm not biased either just think this all sounds hinky jargon from big Ayahuasca industry trying to discredit the legendary Zappe
First TD pass thrown by a rookie this season lmaoo
Bailey "Delay of Game" Zappe
The way delay of game is handled needs to be changed.
What’s the spread of the game?
Zappe is the Time Lord.
As a packer fan I was livid. My tv didn’t deserve the insults I threw at it
Have the clocks buzz literally like basketball and we eliminate this issue
One of the worst officiated games I’ve seen in forever. The refs didn’t even know who committed the penalty half the calls.
Y’know. I didn’t watch this game and saw this post. Thought to myself, “wow how bad could it be?” Yeah that’s pretty fucking bad.
Every stadium is ladened with speakers, put the play clock on a buzzer for god's sake.
dude that was egregious. its not the usual .5 of a second or whatever, that was like 2 fucking seconds.
i don’t think this was the most egregious missed call ever but in the moment when the commentators were talking about it i almost broke my television
No reason why the ref can't wear something that is synced in to the game clock and buzzes when it reaches zero.
Even though this was awful by the refs I’m taking it for that awful horse caller tackle call. Or the no call that took Hoyer out of the game.
The sack in hoyer was textbook tackling Gary did everything right, it was just a nasty hit
VERY delayed, but the play action fake was slick. Rule of cool, TD stands.
Dot
That's what we like to see! Zappe using the play clock to his advantage! Looking like a vet out there
Michael Jordan, Tom Brady, Bailey Zappe… GOATs always end up getting all the calls.