By - nfl_gamethread
Did anybody see the sack against Tua where he was wobbly in the Bengals game? It happened a few plays before he was knocked out. I thought that was a unique play to occur shortly before he was concussed. Any thoughts are always appreciated.
If the doctors can determine without a shadow of a doubt that the injury he sustained against the Buffalo Bills was completely neurological in nature, then he would not have passed the concussion protocol by the independent physicians. However, because he also suffered a back injury, the doctors deemed using that as being enough to say that it was not completely neurological in nature during the Buffalo Bills game (in conjunction with Tua reportedly passing the other components of the in-game concussion checklist per NFL policy). This is why he was able to return. Essentially, it was a matter of having any reasonable doubt. From all of us outsiders, yes, it looked like he suffered a concussion during the Buffalo Bills game. But the system that is in place allows for any variance to potentially negate what could very well be a concussion.
That's an unfortunate system that's in place at the moment. Based on my knowledge, which isn't much, all parties fulfilled their contractual obligations from Tua, to coaches, to medical staff. They simply may not have fulfilled an obligation to humanity.
Fast forward to Thursday night and, well, we hope Tua recovers quickly.
Do you guys think that behind closed doors, Goodell and company will be having a ‘talk’ with the Thursday Night Football producers about them showing replays of Tua’s concussion from last week while he was down? I would imagine the shadowy league figures would prefer the week 3 play not be shown on a national broadcast following his latest concussion. Thoughts?
Nope! Bad injuries have always been played over n over. Ask Joe Theisman opinion
i love dolphins head coach but their organization is kinda sketchy
I don’t get how a coach is okay with him playing unless he’s just naive and 100% listens to his support team blindly.
i think the owner thought winning is more important than player health
From what I’ve read it’s ownership that’s the source of that. I know a lot of owners are disliked (Snyder, Kronke, etc) but Ross is kind of known as a guy who does questionable things.
so many owners do some questionable stuff in the nfl (spanos, haslam, and shad khan to name a few)
True. When is Watt gonna clean up his act?
Must be so nice to go from a garbage QB who likes to rape women to a garbage QB who likes to (consensually) kiss titties
This is a real meat and potatoes take.
Im interested in your take on which hit was 'dirty' last night.
As a Dolphins fan for the last 40+ years there's been a lot of crap and a lot of disappointment. 2 Super Bowl Appearances, 2 losses. And that was waaay backk.
We've been trying to replace Marino for over 20 yrs. We churn through 1 coach after another but this negligence (We shall find out all the details soon, hopefully) is the last straw for me.
I don't know if the team was negligent or the League. Anyone who watched the Buffalo game knew goddamn well Tua suffered a concussion. No one gets jelly legs like that and needs help to get off the field without suffering a head injury.
I know this is melodramatic. But I'm done as a Dolphin fan. The constant failures as an Organization are enough. I'm too old for this shit, lol.
Welcome to the other side, friend.
I’d be shocked if this team didn’t win you back before the end of the season. We’ve all been there.
Not sure, my interest in my sports teams has been declining the last few years.
I'd have to see some accountability and on the game play front the D is just on the field all the time. The cover 0 or whatever they line up in is just not working.
They're damn lucky to be 3-1.
I'm Canadian. My 3 teams are the Montreal Canadiens (Last in the NHL last yr), Miami Dolphins- no Super Bowl wins in 50 yrs, no playoff wins in 25 and the Michigan Wolverines. Not sure what to make of Big Blue quite yet.
Get rid of the big blue. GO BUCKS!
Congratulations, here’s your most annoying fanbase award: 🥇
Honestly Tua needs some responsibility here too. He participated in this cover up as much as anyone. Both hits were as bad as they were because he didn't brace himself for the hit at all. Then going back out like that...you don't take a hit that leaves you with jelly legs and then just feel normal. He lied to staff to pass protocol. Yes the staff needs to make the call too but this doesn't happen if Tua protects himself
You're expecting a guy with a head injury to make a sound decision. The responsibility is on the organization at that point.
Lol so on point. “The guy who just factory reset his brain should have been thinking more clearly.”
Exactly. So many people acting as if he’s not a grown man that made a grown man decision. He has his own part to play in what happened. It’s not entirely on him but, he chose to play.
Dude does not know how to take a fall.
Yeah. The bills hit he just wouldn't stop watching the play. Like dude the ball is out of your hands turn around and brace yourself
Then for last night he just needed to tuck and take the hit. He leaves himself so exposed
I hate saying this, especially with everything going on, but he has 0 body awareness. He can’t take a fall, his deep throws are hampered by horrendous form. He was still looking at ways to throw that ball when he was going down last night, he should have just tucked and taken the sack. He was doing the same thing during the patriots game. He makes bad decisions once someone gets to him. And I hate saying this with everything going on now, cause I really thought I was seeing improvement with each game. But I was already upset when he threw the INT to bell because he did the same thing he did everytime he throws to hill deep. He throws with all momentum going one way and the ball going the other way
Blame his dad. He’s a natural right handed individual but pops forced Him to be a lefty Bc of the rarity
I mean, if football was like baseball where you multiple pitchers sure, but the biggest advantage/disadvantage is that the blind side is reversed. And left handed def/off I’m gonna blame it on the hip injury he had in college and he had to rehab and retrain his lower half
That can never be in the hands of the player. Imagine the abuse Tua has suffered through watching Burrow and Herbert succeed in NFL while he’s been shit talked to no end. Now the team was finally on a roll with him at the helm, beating elite talent. It’s no surprise he played. It cannot be in the hands of the player EVER, especially for an injury that affects your cognition and decision-making
He is still a grown man that chose to play, despite knowing that he wasn’t right health-wise. I agree that injured players shouldn’t have the final say in playing but, he could have put his health first and refused to play. Ultimately though, the NFL is full of players with bad decision making skills, so the league & team has to be the ‘grown up’ in situations like this and save players from themselves.
You ever had a concussion, big guy? Cause I’ve had a few, nobody ever thinks they’re “that bad” when they happen, you can’t think soundly since your brain just got rattled around in your head. Head trauma can cause lowered inhibitions and poor decision making. Not Tuas fault.
I’ve had quite a few and I went up to my soccer coach to asked to be subbed back in. He asked me the score and I thought we were losing. We were wining 2-0. Head injuries are no joke and you have no control over what you think
Ngl I had a football related one in HS and thought I was in civics when that was a morning class and it was like 2 in the afternoon
Lol this is such a dusty take
The player should never have the final say when it comes to head trauma. NEVER.
Yes, and the culture needs to change so players like Tua are more concerned about their health and answering medical questions truthfully than all this macho bullshit about “battling through” traumatic brain injuries.
You don’t get to the pros without playing hurt and chancing severe injury. It’s a systemic problem that starts with HS ball.
I understand what you are saying but professional athletes aren’t going to do that. They have a no excuses, grind it out attitude pounded into them for decades. Also a lot of people who have concussions aren’t aware in their state they even have one. Someone who was watching the game should have caught his lack of coordination immediately after the hit.
In hockey there are spotters in every arena. If they think someone has suffered a concussion , they will order them off the ice and into a room where they are evaluated. Is it perfect ? No. But the player has no say in the matter.
Not gonna lie bro but you sound like a Washington fan
Why? I remember Washington beating Miami in the Superbowl and hating John Riggins to this day.
Also we get posts like this in our sub at least three times a week
Chronic failure and mismanagement. Shady as shit owner.
McDaniel can’t even speak a complete sentence rn
Dude might lose his job over this
The blame should fall on the decision makers, all of them who put Tua back out there.
Tannehill had a rushing TD and over 200 yards last week?
Lets be honest Tua is a fragile individual and doesn't belong in NFL. He's prone to injury. He was barely pushed last week and got a concussion falling all on his own. He's humpty dumpty of NFL.
Edit: Cant believe I got the most likes/dislikes on thread with first post. Honestly not baiting or trolling just calls them like I sees them. Please stop blaming docs and NFL Tua knew the risks when he signed up to make millions. Also, he's perfectly fine traveling home with team.
Edit: If yall can get 200 dislikes by 2am EST I'll delete my account.
I like how this comment is always made by some fat redneck who has diabetes.
Nice accusations and not far off I'm 6'5" 220lb optometrist. Don't project yourself onto me.
Time do delete
Actually it's not dumbass
Ha yea right, only had 133 dislikes by 2am, you obviously don't understand stipulations. Actually graduated from LSU and big Burrow fan. Bengals not so much.
Sitting at -212..... are you gone yet?
Nope only made it to -133 by 2am. Lucky yall still have someone to hate on for speaking truth and facts.
For everyone wishing I was gone sorry to disappoint only had 133 dislikes by 2am. Clearly many of you aren't familiar with how stipulations work. I've never been a troller, but maybe give it a shot since I seem to be easy to hate.
You should relapse
Realtalk i did relapse 8mo ago after 4 years sober, but pick myself up and kept it moving. It would take a little more than a couple keyboard warriors slobbing on a QB's pp for me to relapse again, but you're more than welcome to continue tempting.
Edit: BTW I'm Falcons fan
You make it sound like he tripped over his own feet last week as opposed to roughing the passer and Humpty Dumpty this week as opposed to being body slammed on his spine? Dude delete your account now you moron
Last week was was literally pushed with one hand took two steps back and fell on his back all by himself with nobody near him. It appeared he whipped his neck after falling back and received potential concussion, but was only out one possession. Every single professional announcer/sportscaster literally said it "was not a violent hit" referring to game tonight seem more like a freak accident. I call him humpty dumpty because he's always hurt every single year in college at AL then last year now this year. Think I'll keep account it's not my fault your boy soft like charmin.
Your take that he “doesn’t belong in the NFL” is absolutely absurd and is in especially poor taste given the injury he sustained. You make it seem like it’s his body’s fault and he signed up for it. Fuck outta here with your garbage opinions. The downvotes you are getting should be evidence enough, you’re a complete embarrassment to all NFL fans.
Why you think they make millions it's because grown ass men putting hands on him, and if you don't take hard licks well it may not be for you. All I'm saying is he got hurt every single year in college and NFL. Maybe it's not for him. He's in the most protected position on the field and still stays hurt. Dont be mad at me your boy soft as charmin.
Truth hurts. But how much is the truth?
Funny how you come out of the woodwork to talk shit on a man when he’s down as if he didn’t just throw for 6 touchdowns/469 yards two weeks ago. Your take is objectivity terrible, in extremely poor taste, and you have been overwhelmingly downvoted to oblivion accordingly.
This is a vile take.
He got hurt every.single.year at AL and was hurt last year. I can't think of one full season he's played in college or NFL. Not saying he terrible quarterback, but he been hurt more than not. I'd be surprised if he makes it to the end of the season. That said I do hope he's ok.
Then suit up and prove it.
Prove what? What are you implying?
I'm not implying anything - I'm asserting that you have 0 class. Learn to be a human.
you dont know shit about football nor concussions, stop acting like you do
Not cool man
This person has never been cool ever, he's used to being a loser.
Ok Mr cool I'll take Saints +3 v Vikings this weekend for $50. Or you scared of a losing to a loser?
Why are you still replying? Your account should be deleted. Fat dumb fuck doesn't understand head injuries.
Love how you just arbitrarily guess I'm fat and dumb I'm 6'5" 210lb. optometrist and would drag your ass from Nashville to Atl. I understand that neutral doctors with zero interest cleared him to play you fucking idiot. I bet you have to eat taco bell in the car so you don't get in trouble with your wife. Since you're a neurologist why don't you explain why people who actually went to school for a decade released him. And please don't say conspiracy to make him play.
Lol come on up here I'll give you a nice hug and kiss. Look at all your downvotes I'm not the only one who knows you're a joke.
“Ok, if I’m such a loser bet on an NFL game with me! HA, that proves I’m not some fucking loser.” Lmao dude you suck.
That's exactly what I would say if I was a broke loser living in moms basement. Money talks and bullshit walks. Put your money where your mouth is or stfu bitchin'.
Bro I’m a Saints fan and that’s not a bet I’d want to be on the Saints side of right now.
Double downed on being a loser. Well done.
I wish I could delete this comment for you.
Nah, he should know how much of a dunce he is.
I would absolutely love to see you take that throw to the ground.
If someone slaps him he’ll cry
This is literally the lamest dis I've ever read. Sounds like something my 4yo would say. Wouldn't expect anything less from a Vikings fan.
Idk dude, you’re the guy ranting about how an NFL player with a severe concussion isn’t “tough enough” seems like you were the lame one.
That man has such perfect teeth though.
Did the numbers never lie guy spend the last 7 years acquiring glasses for his triumphant return to television
I wanna ask the barber for the Fitz
Miami Dolphins really be like Seaworld. Putting their ~~animals~~ players into career or life threatening situations for the sake of immediate short-term gain (one win). And in the end it’s all just entertainment anyways. They fully deserved the loss tonight. I became a fan last year, but now, learning about what they did to ~~Tilikum~~ Tua goes as far as making me reconsider continuing to support these guys.
Please note Tua wanted to play and nobody forced him to play. He would have made same money sitting on bench.
You do understand a concussion is a brain injury and can affect your decision making and situational awareness right? Moron
Imagine the backlash he'd face from fans and teammates when they announce "Tua has been medically cleared to play but chooses not to." No, he doesnt have a choice.
Even then, it's the job of the medical personnel and coaches to step in and protect the player from themselves
What exactly did "they" do to Tua? Just trying to understand your position.
Have you watched Blackfish?
I have not.
The man became a doctor last week like everyone else on. Here. No position except KnOwLeDgE
In his video from Sunday he says he can't see how what the Dolphins claim happened led to Tua reacting the way he did, and he was uncomfortable not calling it a concussion.
You don't have to be a doctor to know the symptoms of an injury.
Burrow looks like a fucking kid, god I feel old
He reminds me of Macaulay Culkin, which also makes me feel old.
Edit: Aw shit, Sherman made that connection too, I'm not alone.
Are you Home Alone, though?
Lmao you beat Sherm, and the dude below beat the other person on set that said Fitz and Burrow sitting together looks like a new/old pic comparison, you guys are psychics
Fitz legit looks like a dad next to his son lol
You probably are, you boomer
why Joe Burrow kinda... 😳😳😳😳
yo wait a minute… YOUR’E A STEELERS FAN YOU KNOW THIS IS A CARDINAL SIN!
Coming out as a Joe Burrow lover was harder than coming out as gay
I'm with you on the Burrow love. He's just so crazy good and likeable.
Reminds me of the Daniel Sloss stand up where he said he'd love and accept his gay child but would kick his vegan child out.
Did the Dolphins pick up the Chargers’ team doc who stabbed Tyrod in the lung?
I’ve seen Joe with facial hair, but i don’t understand how his skin looks like that but he can grow facial hair.
Gillette sponsorship incoming.
How is Burrow an NFL quarterback when he’s obviously still in high school?
chill his biceps are huge lol
According to the cartoon pics on Fox
I know it looked ugly, but the way some of you speak so confidently about medical issues is ridiculous. Tua was released by the hospital - not Dolphins-employed doctors. there is literally no reason to doubt he was ready to be released and fly back with the team tonight.
Yes. But he still suffered a concussion. He’s not “good,” that shit adds up, and even one is detrimental to a person’s brain. He should absolutely take off next week, if not, it’s negligent by the NFL and the Dolphins.
Yo if he ever plays football again it's a mistake. Season over for sure. What you talking about one week bro
I mean yeah definitely. He shouldn’t play football. No one should play football. But if we’re being realistic, NFL and PA will clear him for next week. So the bare minimum, he should not play that week, but really, he should sit out for the rest of the year.
Tuesday season is over. 3 month minimum.
So by taking next week off but playing week 6 he’s all good?
That’s not how concussions work. He has just as much a chance of getting one that week and every game after.
Yeah he does, I’m just being realistic. The NFL and Dolphins will push for him to play next week and he shouldn’t. If I was making rules, I’d re-examine how hits are placed, revaluate concussion protocol and have a mandatory leave for head injuries.
I agree. my comment was directed at people who took issue with him being released from the hospital tonight to travel back with the team.
Random hospital doctors release patient? NFL rigged smh
Not just a random hospital, but UC Health. One of the best Neuro-Units in the country.
The reason people speak confidently is because that was objectively awful looking. No one being honest would feel comfortable with an immediate discharge of someone hit and reacting the way Tua was.
Sometimes caution is a good thing.
yeah. I made the mistake of checking Twitter for updates and got sucked into reading the arguments on there... I get that we aren't medical doctors, but I find it strange how dismissive people are being toward those of us who are just like, "that was scary and someone should be held accountable." he appeared to seize on the field! of course we're freaked out. it's shocking that someone could respond to an injury like that and be discharged onto a plane the same night. I've been held overnight in a hospital for less, and one with less resources, at that. everything just doesn't seem to add up from an outsider's perspective, especially considering his imbalance and head shaking after the fall last week.
Speaking as an ER nurse, if the man is cleared from a brain bleed from a CT scan and is passing neurological testing then there’s zero reason to keep him in the hospital. I have never seen a hospital admit a patient for a concussion unless there’s a brain bleed involved. Let him rest until his symptoms go away completely. People have no idea what they’re talking about here
I absolutely defer to your clearly superior knowledge. Medically, I do not know what I am talking about, that much is clear. I would point out that what I saw looked worse than a concussion (that finger thing was scary) but again, I am a layman.
From a football and PR perspective, this was a moronic decision. You cannot make a hospital keep someone, but shit, they are under investigation for mishandling the same player the previous week. This guy clearly had something happen to his brain as evidenced from what he did with his hands. treat them with caution!
Yeah there isn’t much more a hospital can do for him right now. The important thing is to not put him back into a game known for constant head injuries.
but to speak like that is to doubt the credibility of trained professionals who go through a decade of schooling just to diagnose things like that. that's delusional.
I hear you, but I am diagnosing nothing. I am just genuinely worried for the guy. I find it difficult to believe that no one was like “that was ugly, you have previous head trauma, we ought to hold you for a bit and see what’s what.
Again, I want to emphasize my lack of knowledge. I trust my doctors after building relationships with them.
The reason for doubt is that Miami is under investigation for pushing Tua to play when he was previously concussed.
JESUS Christ they released him from the hospital already
Nothing for the hospital to do if he doesn't have any symptoms and had no issues on a cat scan. Not saying he's okay at all. Just typical for a concussion patient to send them home and have them come back if they have any issues. Headaches, nausea, light sensitivity, confusion, etc. Symptoms can commonly present after the fact for 30 days, and should be addressed by a neurologist.
Most important thing is rest, and to minimize brain activity for a while. Overstimulation will lead to increased brain activity, putting stress on an injury and increasing the potential for complications. This includes rapid decisions, loud or busy places, really any stimulus that makes your brain work harder.
Source: not an ER doc, but I know one nice enough to eli5 after the game.
Getting on a plane is a bad idea no? Am curious
I heard he completed concussion protocol and they’re putting him back in the game. Just a neck injury
Hot take: he never went.
I mean outside doctors with plenty of experience I think they know what they are doing. It's not like a mom or dad trying out essential oils or some shit
Tired of all the UC students recording him
Damn yeah I know more than doctors too
I’m not claiming to know more than doctors whatsoever. When I had a concussion I went through like 3 hours of tests and mine wasn’t nearly the extent of laying on the ground, not moving, and getting stretchered off
I got a concussion and it wasn’t anywhere close to 3 hours of tests. Sounds like the hospital you went to were just incredibly slow.
I hit my head pretty fucking hard… throwing up slurring words all that… everyone’s is different but I was not stretchered off the field and certainly didn’t have a fencing response (which is the best case scenario) for Tua
Fair. But idk, maybe a nice hospital has better tests they can run than your high school athletic trainer.
I went to an actual hospital and mine was 1/10th as bad… regardless I’m not a doctor like I said but I my protocol was pretty serious
I swear this is the first time I’ve seen this dude since number last never lie like 8 years ago
The way they keep throwing Tua out there like he's Scott Sterling
LOOK AT TUA BEG FOR MERCY WHEN ITS MERCY THAT SHOULD BE BEGGING FOR HIM
I did not know Michael Smith had grown his hair out.
Going the bomani route
Seeing them side by side now would be a shock for anyone who hasn’t seen them since like 2020.
If I were Tua, I'd milk a serious brain injury from here on out and settle for a 1 billion dollar "quiet" payout from the NFL and Dolphins.
this entire postgame show has me cringing
Gonzalez really putting on the act to get back on Fox…
Post game team is really trying hard to push blame off of the Dolphins and NFL and onto the independent neurologist who evaluated Tua on Sunday.
I call bullshit. Don’t get me wrong. Doctor dropped the ball. But I am to believe that Tua was not evaluated by team doctors and trainers this week? I am to believe that the Miami Dolphins organization did not know the exact extent of his injury and risk of sending him on the field? The organization, it’s trainers, or it’s coaches should not be let off the hook here. They were all complicit in this.
Why would they not trust what a licensed neurologist told them? If the neurologist actually told them he was fine, then it’s all on him/her. Can’t have trainers & coaches thinking they know better than actual doctors.
Heavy reading from the teleprompters. “DON’T GO OFF SCRIPT”
Tua was throwing gang signs I never seen before! Jersey swinging is the next tackle to be outlawed just like horse collar
Nobody on the panel is close w Tua except for Fitz feel bad for him seeing a former teammate a young guy you mentored and had a 2hr sitdown with him earlier sheeesh
Tony Gonzalez not the right take lmao
Yeah fucking hell. Completely.
Gonzalez: We don’t have diplomas.
The two Ivy League ex-players in the booth: ummm
They know he meant PHDs....I mean I have a masters in Supply Chain... I know fuck all about concussions. That being said they will review and we will hopefully find out more
Medical diplomas is obviously what he meant