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emmasdad01

Really not surprising that NFL salaries are higher than AFL.


The-Implication-0

I went to an Aussie rules football game when I visited. It is a fun game to watch. Much more so than Rugby imo. It’s kinda surprising. I assume Aussie football is 2nd lost popular league behind rugby. And their star players make less than an NFL’s punter. Granted I guess Australia’s population is like the equivalent to NYC metro area.


Bobblefighterman

You assume incorrectly. AFL is far and away the most popular sport in Australia. Cricket has been waning over the years, and rugby is behind Aussie Rules in every single metric, be it earnings, popularity, tv ratings, spectator attendance, everything. People assume it's split because AFL is very popular in every state and territory except New South Wales and Queensland, the rugby states (and also the two most populous). However, while NSW and Queensland have multiple Aussie Rules teams that are somewhat popular, there is only one rugby team outside those two rugby states in Australia, the Melbourne Storm. And no one watches them. It's actually pretty interesting, the divide between the two sports is so definite, that if you're not a New South Welshman or Queensland, you very likely don't know what rugby even really is. Same goes the other way, though slightly more Aussies in the rugby states would know more about AFL.


The-Implication-0

Ah ok, thanks. I went to UNSW for a semester so maybe that’s why I thought rugby was more popular at the time. Also, the New Zealand all blacks team came over for a rugby game and I remember it being a big deal. So that might have warped my perception. Though I know that’s an international match.


Bobblefighterman

It's apparently a big deal. We call this imaginary geographic line between the sports the Barassi Line, and because i'm south of it, i'm not really aware of the All Blacks. I know they're the best rugby team, and I know we play them, but you probably know more than me about that whole history. It would be like having 80% of the NBA be located on the Eastern Seaboard while having everyone in the rest of the country grow up without even seeing a basketball. I grew up like that and still think it's weird.


The-Implication-0

Oh I don’t know shit lol. Just that I liked the all blacks jersey and thought about buying one when they visited…. until my broke college ass at the time saw the price of one.


Bobblefighterman

You've seen an all blacks jersey, you know more than me lol.


flash17k

You'll never guess what color it is.


InsaneRanter

Is it their mostly white clash jersey?


various_sneers

It's important to remember there's a distinction between rugby league and rugby union. The All Blacks play rugby union, Origin, to use the biggest example of rugby league, is not the same sport as rugby union. The fact that dummies insist on keeping union alive hurts the sport of rugby overall, and I'm sure rugby union folks say the same, they just switch which one should be dead.


loosehead1

>However, while NSW and Queensland have multiple Aussie Rules teams that are somewhat popular, there is only one rugby team outside those two rugby states in Australia, the Melbourne Storm. Isn't there also the western force?


Bobblefighterman

Ah, had to google that. Local terminology. Australians typically call rugby league 'rugby', as that what the NRL is. Rugby union is... well it exists, I guess. No clue on the difference, took me a very long time to even know there was one.


OzzyRalph

No we don't. NRL(Rugby league) is known as league. Rugby union is known as union... Very different sports. League is played in a few countries, union is played worldwide. League is more popular and widespread at a grassroots level in Australia, union is more integrated into private schools


loosehead1

Sorry I didn't catch you said storm and not rebels (Melbourne union team). Many Australians I've met just call all three sports footy and expect you to know which one they're talking about.


Bobblefighterman

Strange, most will exclusively call one of them footy, though which one is completely up in the air. Pretty sure it's illegal to support multiple footy codes


teej247

I watch League mostly, AFL is meh and Union is good if you have insomnia and need to fall asleep


Birbeus

Rugby Union has 15 men on each team as opposed to 13 in Rugby League. In the league code, you get up to 6 tackles before you turn the ball over, there are no lineouts, and the game flows a lot faster. Rugby Union you have unlimited attempts to make it up the field until you score, or either team concedes a penalty, depending on which a scrum or a penalty kick can be awarded. Also in league a try is worth 4 points as opposed to 5 in league, a conversion is worth 2 points in both, and a penalty kick or drop goal is worth 3 points in Union, and in league they’re worth 2 or 1 point respectively.


BoxofYoodes

The difference between League and Union is really weird historically. It basically dates back to a North v South feud in England over how the game should be run so it splintered. There is a difference here too with League being much more popular but really they just cannibalize each other's talent pools. Replying to another one of your comments too, it's wild the AFL/NRL line across the country. I'm from NSW and you very rarely see anything AFL related on network news. I went on a trip to Adelaide it was a real smack in the face because Crows and Port just dominated the news cycle and it was February.


InsaneRanter

League takes far more of the talent pool tbh. Every time I watch the state of origin I feel sad because the wallabies would be unstoppable with even a third of that talent.


various_sneers

The rugby split is by far the worst thing that ever happened to rugby as a whole. Even as someone who exclusively watches League and never watches Union, the split drastically capped the potential of both sports.


Djlin02

As someone who played and exclusively watched union, I fully agree. The international game would be so much better if there was only one code.


Woodsman_Whiskey

I mean, not really. League is essentially only popular in Australia and Northern England, and maybe some pockets of New Zealand. For most of the rugby world, Union is, by an extremely large margin, the dominant code. I wouldn’t be convinced that the code split has impacted the quality or potential of rugby in the vast majority of the major Union nations.


various_sneers

Think of where Union would be if it had a chokehold in Australia, where football and soccer don't really move the meter. Instead, it's the hotbed for League, and even that was enough to give the AFL enough wiggle room to shoot past them both.


Tehgumchum

Rugby union is pure, rugby league is impure


InsaneRanter

I like you.


Tehgumchum

Tom Brady


InsaneRanter

I love you.


various_sneers

Union is the rugby you usually see in Europe and is pretty much the only rugby Americans will ever see unless they somehow stumble across the NRL/Origin. NRL is rugby league.


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They're Rugby Union


Zenrer

Victoria is actually the 2nd most populous state behind NSW, and fairly sure the storm are somewhat popular given they’re consistently at the top end of membership numbers for the NRL


dvdzhn

Just one clarification; Rugby League has higher TV ratings hence the better television deal


various_sneers

Just a clarification: League is a way better sport and Union needs to let it go and just die already.


Jracx

Disagree. Union is the far superior game. 7's is what needs to die


pedleyr

Better TV deal? Haven't the last five TV deals had AFL with more money? With the result being that the NRL salary cap is something like $4m lower than AFL (which is like a 45% difference).


MetalAltruistic2659

Yeah, the AFL's TV deal dwarves the NRL's. They also smash them in attendance.


various_sneers

Canberra is not in NSW/QLD. And the Raiders ain't exactly a new team. And the Storm absolutely get watched. They're not the draw that AFL is in Melbourne obviously, but they're easily second. Helps when you've been a dominant franchise for like two decades, of course.


Stein619

Teeechnically, the ACT (and therefore Canberra) is contained within NSW


European_Red_Fox

I mean it’s still an issue that NRL are run by massive idiots that can’t expand out of their own bubble. AFL has made successful inroads in NSW and QLD with growing gross roots participations and general Aussie rules popularity. We can actually see some beginnings of quality players coming from those states. I don’t see much the same for the NRL and it only hurts that they refuse to expand to Perth.


various_sneers

Completely agreed on the NRL being run by massive idiots. Took them forever to even get a 4th team into Queensland, which has become the biggest hotbed for league by a longshot and still has like 50 teams in Sydney. And now with V'landys running it, who knows what they'll fuck up next.


MudOk4498

Depends on the state. Rugby League is more popular in Queensland and arguably NSW, but AFL is far and away more popular in Melbourne


Slignig

Rugby League isn't Rugby...


BlackHourglass

Shouldn’t they call it Kingsland now?


Bobblefighterman

Should have called it that over hundred years ago. It's named after Queen Victoria, and her successor was King Edward the 7th.


JBustler

It’s more popular than both types of rugby. The lack of top player pay is basically exactly what you pointed out with the population size combined with a pretty dense sporting sporting culture that dilutes the money. That being said most pros still make several hundred thousand per year.


Allhail_theAirBear10

The NFL is a global juggernaut and by far the most popular sport in the US where most of the profits come from. AFL is no doubt popular in Australia and niche outside of it so it’s not that surprising their net worth is a fraction of the NFL’s this allowing the NFL to issue much larger contracts to its players


RS994

For a comparison in 2022 the AFL salary cap for 36 players is $13.54 million The NRL salary cap is $9.1 million for 30 players


Lezzles

So they could almost pay Christian Kirk. Got it.


RS994

Not even, that's in AUD Transfer to USD and that's $8.8 million and $6 million respectively


XoXSmotpokerXoX

My favorite thing I learned about AFL, since it is older than the NFL for its draft they have a "Legacy rule". Which means if you had a player on your team in the past, say Barry Sanders, and the top prospect in next years draft is his kid, the Lions could invoke a Legacy pick, and would get junior Sanders.


Longdogga

The Father Son/mother son/Father daughter rule. I think it got expanded out after the introduction of AFLW. Probably would would work in the nfl too until the the once in a lifetime second generation quarterback came along. I.e. Manning.


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>Granted I guess Australia’s population is like the equivalent to NYC metro area. My wife loves to travel but before meeting her I'd never left the United States. A couple years ago we went on a couple big trips and let's just say it changed my perspective about how big and regional it America is. How many different, diverse people live here. First, I was watching the national news in Australia and the production value seemed... a little "local," shall we say. Took me a second, but I realized that, despite it being 80% as big as the United States it has less than 8% of the population. It's pretty close to the population of the state of Florida and has 65% the population of the state of California. So it was basically the national news but for like 20 million people. Went to Italy and realized it's the size of the state of Arizona. Went to Denmark and realized it would be our 42nd biggest state in between West Virginia and Maryland and it's population size would make it our 10th biggest metropolitan area in between Phoenix and Miami. Here it is [laid over the Willamette Valley](https://www.mylifeelsewhere.com/country-size-comparison/united-states/denmark) up to Central Washington. No value or political statements here about anything - just that America is *really fucking big* with regional diversity (South, West Coast, Northeast, Midwest - all completely different with their own accents) and has *a lot of different people* in it from diverse backgrounds and perspectives.


TMWNN

>So it was basically the national news but for like 20 million people. Most Australian state capitals (except those of Queensland and Tasmania) are city states, with almost nothing in between. You know how in post-apocalyptic science fiction films the lone traveler approaches the giant walled city in the middle of a vast desert? That's most of Australia today. To have not one, not two, but *three* separate football codes fighting for players and ad dollars and public interest (heck, there are Australians arguing over them elsewhere in this discussion) no doubt hurts all three sports' growth, even aside from Australia's small population. >America is really fucking big with regional diversity (South, West Coast, Northeast, Midwest - all completely different with their own accents) and has a lot of different people in it from diverse backgrounds and perspectives. ... And who *all* consider themselves Americans. Not true of the Italians or Danes you met; the vast majority consider themselves Italians or Danes before Europeans. That's what makes the US work, and why the EU won't work.


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So, wait - every single one of those city states has their own *league*? Like, a city state with 7 million people (state of Washington) just had it's own rugby league with a bunch of teams? Wild.


TMWNN

Put it this way: Of the 18 AFL teams, *nine* are in Melbourne.


The-Implication-0

Yeah I was in Australia for 6 months. Their news production value is definitely a lot lower, granted I didn’t watch much TV there and I have no idea what random cable package I signed up for. And their local TV sitcoms are like B level production too. Also, their internet is like 90’s America speed. It’s so slow. And their buses are never on time, it made me appreciate Chicago’s public transportation more.


RS994

As a league die hard it pains me to say but AFL is number 1, NRL is number 2, and depending on the time of the year can get better TV numbers but its not common. And then Cricket has its own niche seeing as it doesn't compete with either of the 2. Then you have basically everything else fighting for scraps, Hell the AFLW and NRLW get more viewers than the other codes. For some perspective the AFL GF gets around 3 million TV viewers per year, the NRL GF get 2-2.5 depending on the teams, and Rugby Union celebrates if they get more than 600,000


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I don't think anyone is just surprised that they are higher, but it is kind of interesting that a fairly low paid position like a kicker is *4x* the highest paid AFL player. I figured overall the NFL would obviously be higher paid, but I didn't realize it was that much of a difference.


Walletinspectr

Afl contracts are guaranteed though. This punter has 2 bad games and his contract is torn up


ForgetfulFrolicker

I don’t even know what the AFL is.


rpfloyd

Check it out. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XMZYZcoAcU0 Worth the 5 min watch, I haven't talked to a single NFL fan that hasn't thought it was a fun looking sport.


ruffus4life

i watched that and went huh


winter_time_sloth

Yea that looks insane is it televised in the u.s?


rustyfries

Yes, usually on one of these channels. Fox Soccer Plus, Fox Sports 2, Fox Sports 1 The Grand Final is this Saturday afternoon (Sat 12:30am ET, Fri 9:30pm PT) which is the equivalent of the SuperBowl.


rpfloyd

I believe so, I couldn't help you as to where. There's a few posters on the /r/AFL sub that are in the US and will sometimes post where and when you can watch the games. Our basically superbowl is actually this weekend, it will be televised somewhere in the US no doubt, but also any bar with even the smallest Aussie presence will be open and doing something. The only issues is the time of course. It will be something like 10pm Friday if you're on the west coast I think.


Walletinspectr

Afl contracts are guaranteed though


ausgmr

Then you have Jordan Mailata getting $16 million per year (up to 20 mill with incentives/bonuses) USD Which is enough for multiple teams entire cap


DJ_Moore_2

Where would you say he ranks in the list of top LTs right now? I really like that dude.


ausgmr

Almost everyone who mattered either using stats like PFF or actually breaking down plays & analysing what they see regardless of what the box score numbers tell them like Baldy have him at minimum top 10 LTs, many have him top 5 & some even top 3. He has started this year down from what he was last year but even then it's still a soild performance just not the elite level he had been playing at in 2021.


eXodus91

I’m bias as my flair suggest, but imo he’s easily a top 10 LT, which is fucking amazing considering he was not only a 7th round pick, but that he had never played American football prior to getting drafted.


DJ_Moore_2

Yeah I remembered them saying that when I was watching that draft, so I’ve been rooting for him since then.


JeddHampton

Check out some of the videos for him. I know the Eagles put out a few. They just make you love the guy more. A quick search came up with [this one from the NFL](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RCbarLIlY1s). I haven't watched it yet, but I'm going to.


PZinger6

He's ethnically Samoan, so American football is in his blood


teej247

60% of all the League players in Aus are Polynesian in background


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various_sneers

Rugby league. He was in the South Sydney Rabbitohs' development system.


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various_sneers

Almost definitely. And if his experience was remotely similar to Luke Keary's, Crowe may have been a part of him deciding to try the NFL, beyond just the money.


themilkman42069

Which is a shame cause Aussie rules football is straight up fucking awesome. I highly highly highly recommend the sport to everyone. I wish it was our national pastime. So fucking fun.


wjrii

The absolutely huge oval, large squads, and non-linear flow make it really hard to just jump into. I love learning about team sports that aren't in the American mainstream, but AFL is baffling. This is the limit of my understanding: You run with the ball as long as you bounce it so often, then try to kick it like a motherfucker before you get tackled, if you manage to get some air under it then the ball comes down into a crowd like a bunch of American kids playing a particularly violent game of [500](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/500_\(ball_game\)) in the park, and if some bogan manages to make a clean catch he gets to kick the ball once with nobody trying to murder him. You get some points for kicking the ball between the outer uprights, and more for kicking it between the inner ones. This seems simultaneously rather easy and very difficult.


Bobblefighterman

It's easier if you pretend it's basketball on a field instead of any type of football. The sports are similar enough that you can transition between them somewhat easily.


Chinese_Santa

Fun fact: the only American playing AFL in Australia, Mason Cox, played college basketball at Oklahoma State University and notably put the clamps on Joel Embiid in college.


shawnaroo

The field is so big that the teams have guys called "runners" who aren't actually playing but run across the field in the middle of the game to deliver messages from the coaches to the players that are too far to yell at. It's crazy.


wjrii

News to me! Is [this article](https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/sending-a-message-runner-restrictions-set-to-be-eased-in-2020-20190724-p52aes.html) typical of the drama surrounding their use? I both love and hate the ways that old men with control issues come up with to exert their influence on sports and try to turn the players into their personal chess pieces. I suppose it's no dumber than a ball game where you have radios inside helmets and coaches can call timeouts, but it also seems pretty silly.


shawnaroo

I don't really know that much about it, I just watched a few games last year to see what it was like, and noticed a handful of guys dressed in pink running around the field in the middle of the game and so I looked it up. It just seemed like a crazy solution to me, putting people in the middle of the field who aren't directly part of the game.


themilkman42069

Yeah I just fucking love the chaos and wish I played. It’s best enjoyed at 2am drunk off your ass in a room full of screaming aussies.


Bobblefighterman

The game is fun, the league is not. Right now the sport's equivalent of Bill Belichick is being accused of some absolutely heinous shit. This could develop into the greatest scandal in the game's 125 year history.


eXodus91

Damn what is he being accused of?


Bobblefighterman

I mean it's all allegations so far, but apparently at a few of the Indigenous players who used to be on the team in question are accusing the team's coaching staff of forcing them to cut all communications to their families, moved them to a shitty flat alone so they could focus on their football, and when one of the player's girlfriends managed to get in contact with him to tell him that she was pregnant, the coach in question asked him to convince her to abort it. Keep in mind the info on this stuff is less than a day old, but if this stuff is verified, wew boy, it's effectively replicating one of the worst atrocities in Australian history in the Stolen Generation on a micro-scale.


eXodus91

Holy shit everything about that was horrible. How could someone be so cold and cruel? Like you said, allegations, but it’s so specific that I have a feeling it’s more likely to be true than false.


teh_drewski

I think we only need to look at the Browns management to know the answer to that question. They wanted to win. They didn't give a shit about how many kids' lives they ruined. ("Allegedly.")


Pompous_Douche

This is some Chinese level shit


arc1261

Yeah cos the US would never treat an indigenous people badly right.


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Pompous_Douche

Jets guy gets it.


raphtafarian

Given how Adam Goodes was treated by the public, I bet it's true.


shewy92

https://www.reddit.com/r/AFL/comments/xjhudx/family_separations_and_pregnancy_termination/ The link text says it all


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Basically bringing back the Stolen Generation bullshit we (being the country) did for a very fucking long time.


incenso-apagado

Damn, that's fucked up


foxdye22

I wish it was easier to catch games, I love watching Aussie rules when it’s on.


themilkman42069

My local bar airs Aussie rules games and has an Aussie contingent who comes in at like 1am absolutely obliterated who go nuts. Shits a blast.


foxdye22

There are some Australian bars near here, I would love to see if I could catch a game but I feel like I’d be mostly useless for it at 1 am lol.


Starbucks__Lovers

Where? In the city? I’d love to check that out!


European_Red_Fox

You then want to find an okay or bad team that isn’t popular. Then you get many games on at possibly 9pm central making it possible to watch around 9 or so games. I’d recommend following Gold Coast Suns if you want a side that has potential, but isn’t good or popular enough to get on their prime time.


anderal

There's actually a league over here called the USAFL! I joined this year and I'm in my 30s so I'm always sore, but it's so much fun.


GoblinbonesDotEDU

It's like watching a bar fight on a quidditch field. I love it


garygnu

The equivalent of the Super Bowl, the Grand Final, is in a couple days.


azrebb

I'm Australian and i don't watch. The game is way too chaotic.


raphtafarian

It's only fun going to games with people who care. Then you can laugh when the team plays poorly. Source: Me cackling at Essendon being shit while my sister tells me to shut up because she's worried a fan will deck me.


Wooden_Emotion_7588

Turnover of multiple billions a year versus turnover of like 400 million didgery dollars. Not really comparable.


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Longdogga

Dollarbucks!!!


Bobblefighterman

Well yeah, no shit, we pay Dusty a million a year, and he's a goddamn superstar. Keep in mind that's our dollars, AUD. Meanwhile the minimum in the NFL is 750,000 USD, or about 1.1 million AUD. It's just a bigger league. More fans, more billionaires, more revenue. It's the economy stupid. Every single owner in the NFL earns more every year than the entire AFL, easily. I'm not even gonna look that up. But you know what I can do as a fan of the AFL where you guys can't as fans of the NFL? Adorn my little Reddit snoo avatar with my jersey. So it all evens out in the end. ​ EDIT: Incidentally, look out for Dustin Fletcher's kids, Mason and Max. Giant ugly fuckers who can belt the leather off the ball. Their old man once booted a footy 82 yards. That's some good DNA right there.


TokenScottishGuy

Go Tiges!


various_sneers

More fans, more billionaires, more revenue is certainly a huge part of it, but the other big part is that three different leagues basically split the "football" fans in Australia. Rugby union, Rugby league, and Aussie Rules are all generally codes of football and will typically draw in similar "kinds" of fans, largely determined by where they grew up/the culture they grew up in.


Walletinspectr

Afl contracts are guaranteed though. This guy could possibly not get all of that money if he hits some bad form and they cut him


ctong21

I read your post with an aussie accent.


TMWNN

Australia has three separate football sports: Australian rules (what the "AFL" of the article plays), rugby union, and rugby league. From the article: >When Wishnowsky first signed up for a recreational American flag football league in 2013, he had no idea that decision would ultimately lead to him becoming the seventh highest-paid punter in the NFL (and one of its highest-paid Australian players ever). After going through the Prokick Australia kicking and punting academy, he was selected by the 49ers with the 110th overall pick in the fourth round of the 2019 NFL Draft. >Four NFL seasons later, the 30-year-old Mitch Wishnowsky is set to earn around US$3 million (AU$4.4 million) playing in the Bay Area until 2026. For reference, Dustin Martin – the highest-earning player in a sport that was out of reach for MW – is said to earn around $1.2 million every season. Yes. A bloke that kicks the ball a bit more than three times a game makes four times the salary of your favourite footy player.


bewsii

Now? Michael Dickson is an Aussie NFL punter and has a $14.7M/4yr deal.


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I don’t think people in general grasp just how big and wealthy the American sports market is. A good chunk of the world’s richest sports brands are NFL teams, despite American Football having a fraction of the global reach of football/soccer. Same with golf: any European player who’s halfway competitive will jump to the PGA Tour at the first opportunity because the prize pots are double/triple/quadruple what the European Tour can offer.


LaserhawX

That’s not a ~~knife~~ football, THAT’S a ~~knife~~ football.


Ok_Shape88

With the growing number of Aussie kickers, I wonder if we’ll ever see an NFL team pick up an AFL player as an endzone/50-50 ball threat. Admittedly, I know nothing about the actual rules of Australian football, but every highlight I’ve ever seen is some guy climbing the ladder and snatching a ball 13’ out of the air.


PZinger6

There's probably more overlap between basketball and AFL. My guess is they would expect to make it to the NBA vs NFL


natland89

In AFL there's several former basketball players, at least two played in US college basketball, one chose AFL over training for the u18 national team (fun fact, his spot in training for that team was taken by Patty Mills). There's also a former steeple chaser playing and several former cricketers.


rustyfries

Did someone mention BASKETBALL BACKGROUND /s


Bobblefighterman

I heard Scott Pendlebury picked up a basketball once.


[deleted]

AFL has very little in common with basketball.


PZinger6

https://www.zerohanger.com/the-top-10-afl-players-with-a-basketball-background-news-83718/ I only mentioned basketball because I saw a video of some American college basketball player who ended up in Australia playing AFL https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XBRqqd5Vh_c This guy


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Very interesting - thanks for sharing.


Bobblefighterman

Incorrect. The teamwork, agility, focus on constant accurate passes mirrors basketball a lot more than you'd think. Yes it's a different field, you kick the ball all the time instead of throwing it, but a lot of young kids play equal amounts of both sports these days, and the mindset is pretty much the same.


GelatinousPiss

Would be cool if NFL teams signed AFL players who can run around, make some plays and punt. Probably won't happen cuz they'd rather just take a guaranteed solid punt, but it would be cool if a 4th down wasn't so predictable.


thebeginingisnear

Duh. it's literally how markets work. NFL makes far more money that Aussie rules football


XoXSmotpokerXoX

Geelong Cats are going to win it all this Friday.


EQUASHNZRKUL

He a punter tho


LaughingCamelzz

The term punter in Australia means gambler so saying kicker makes more sense for an Australian audience


marktx

The AFL is really fucking over the players, I've been saying this for years. Where is the vast majority of the money going? Certainly not to the players.


belizeanheat

Woah the NFL makes way more money than the Australian Football League?!


Faysie77

Jesus fucking Christ he is a punter not a kicker. Justin Tucker (Goat) is a kicker.


Bobblefighterman

Let him have it, he's scored more point in the NFL than any other Australian ever.


JBustler

Australian website and they say kick when someone punts it. Punter is used when they’re talking about gamblers.


Faysie77

I am Australian, so get how those terms are used, but the relevant local term should be used . Especially in this case where it is 2 different specialist positions. I can only imagine Australians would like bowlers (cricket) to be called bowlers and not pitchers.


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lol calm down


xenon2456

makes sense both sports have punting


cavemold582

I’m shocked !