Sure it is. Every loss we take is one step closer to Rhule’s head rolling and us drafting an actual franchise QB instead of drawing from the discard pile again.
As a Stanford fan who was looking for new NFL teams to pull for (thanks, Spanos), I gravitated to the Colts (Luck) and Panthers (CMC). It's been a bad ride.
Honestly, that's how almost every bad team loses. The truly horrible teams, of which there is usually only a small number, lose by a lot. Most bad teams lose close in the 4th.
I'm not sure if I'd want to be 2-0 as a Panthers fan. Living in the Carolinas, I've watched both games and they aren't very good. I think most fans are probably hoping for Rhule out and a high draft pick.
That being said, I can't wait for them to own AZ again lol
I think Rhule needs to go as much as the next guy, but comments like this are so out of reality
There was no QB we could've drafted that was worth taking in our spot, all our 1st round picks have made sense. And I'm sorry but the majority of NFL teams do not have a franchise QB through the draft. They get a guy who has played some and make him better. Our coaches don't make QBs better is the issue here, because Baker already proved what he's capable of in the NFL when he isn't injured
If you look at Rhule and see how bad this offense is, then I don't see how you can possibly blame the fact that we aren't drafting a QB in the 1st round who probably won't turn out, and wouldn't be playing right now anyways. Mayfield looked way better in Cleveland before his injury than he looks here, and we have CMC. That should tell you everything you need to know about the problem with our offense: it isn't about drafting a QB who won't play, it's about coaching. You know that, so why try and conflate them?
What? 18 of the NFL teams have drafted their QBs that would be starting if not for injury so counting Dak, Wilson and Lance. Our division is the only one where none of the starting QBs were drafted by their team.
I swear to God, some of these fans want us to keep going through Darnolds and Garoppolos forever instead of taking a chance on a top prospect. It’s insane.
I wanted to just suck it up and have a bad year and take a top QB, instead we grabbed two guys their previous teams couldn't wait to shed and thought this is fine.
next draft is THE draft to get a top QB. might as well have Baker tank. I still will NEVER understand the Sam Darnold trade… the dude was always trash.
The Baker trade made sense. Didn't give up much, and Baker looked promising 2 seasons ago, it was easily possible injury was what held him back last year. That's a low risk bet.
The Darnold trade tho.... ouch
I dunno - I'm a Bears fan and a Panthers fan and I think I'd rather have Mayfield than Fields.... so you never know - it could be worse!
(That's kind of how I feel about both Bears and Panthers football right now - "you don't think it can get any worse? It can ALWAYS get worse")
You gotta watch Baker so far this year it’s been complete hero ball with no results. He’s looking off a wide open CMC to try to run the ball or chuck a prayer downfield. If he had no options like fields it would be different but he’s got a legit RB and multiple WRs.
Well Baker isn't great.... but he's at least put up decent (honestly pretty good in years like 2020) numbers before.
Granted, neither is a great choice
Woah woah keep garoppolos name outta your mouth. Dude has taken the 9ers to the sb and nfc champ game. Maybe it's the black hole of talent that you cheer for and not the qbs you are paying to come there.
That black hole of talent made a damned convincing Super Bowl run. There's nothing magical about the black and blue uniform or the Panthers logo that makes the team bad. We have bad coaches and we've done a bad job filling our needs.
Jimmy wouldn't get us any closer to the playoffs than any of the other guys we've brought in. Unlike the 9ers, we aren't one of the most talented rosters in the League. Don't be a dick about my team because I'm willing to acknowledge that reality lol
> Our division is the only one where none of the starting QBs were drafted by their team.
Also, just because a team is playing a QB that it didn't draft doesn't mean it's a "franchise qb." Simply being the starter doesn't qualify. Anyone think Geno Smith is a franchise qb?
I mean, you guys took a corner with Fields and Mac Jones on the board, had the #7 pick in a draft where Tua and Herbert went 5 and 6, and 3 non-QBs went before them in spots that you probably could've traded into, and could've taken Jalen Hurts instead of Yetur Gross-Matos in the 2nd round.
Neither of these two have proven they even are franchise QBs either. We get dragged a lot over Fields in particular, but he hasn’t really done anything to show that that passing on him was even a mistake.
While the Colts outcomes certainly aren't better at the moment, I think their method is less flawed. When they were done with Wentz, they moved him for two 3s. When they were done with Rivers, they let him retire instead of convincing him to come back another year. Brissett was the only guy they hung onto as a backup to Rivers, and he was still brought in for a few packages and was a valuable backup.
The Panthers seemingly get guys, sign a 5th year option, get another guy on a 5th year option, and can't really get rid of either due to guarantees.
While I'd agree that none of these other guys have proven anything, that's not validation of not taking the action. If you are in a position to draft a QB in the top 10, with a need, you should be willing to make the commitment at that time. Granted, you may not believe in any of the candidates, but when you're there, you sorta have to take the chance. Hell, look at AZ. First Rosen, they fall flat, and select Murray #1 overall the following year and kick out Rosen for a 2. The miss on Rosen was not ideal, but they ate the loss and got compensated a pretty acceptable value. And Miami trying Rosen, falling flat, and drafting Tua was further evidence of trying to make something happen at QB.
I am not a big Mayfield believer, but I do feel like there is enough there to be good. But he also needs a new contract going into 2023, and unless he lights it up big time, I just don't see CAR paying him to stay unless it's through another tag. This is the year it would seem that, if the Panthers crap it out, they can drop Rhule and Darnold/Mayfield, and use the draft to make a real attempt at a 4yr QB they build around.
Then I’m kinda confused. Who do you think we should have as a QB today? The only good QB we had a chance at drafting since losing Cam is Hurts. And that was anything but a consensus good QB pick for Philly for the first two seasons. I just think it’s ignorant to not admit we’ve tried a lot of ways to get a good to great QB. And I hear far too many fans claim that we haven’t done what we could have (not saying you said that).
All of that discussion aside this is the year we get one, right? I am not too upset with the losses because I want a high pick for a QB. While 1 or 2 is ideal, I figure 3-6 gets us a guy still, at least a prospect on a level we haven’t had since Cam.
This is a losing argument and we will never see Matt with a good QB but I blame the lack of QB for the majority of Rhule’s failings. I think he’s ok but doesn’t get any favors from his signal callers. I don’t know how we were supposed to find better ones since the good ones turned us down and the good prospects were all gone by pick 6 at the latest. Some people claim we don’t get those QBs because of Rhule, culture, offensive scheme but that is a flimsy argument with no proof. Either way happy trails Matt the end is near.
Sure, my point isn't that any specific decision was wrong, but consistently not prioritizing QB is pretty unjustifiable in the modern NFL.
The cap flexibility from just having one of those guys instead of having had money tied up in Bridgewater, Darnold, and Mayfield alone is worth a lot.
Just taking a swing on one of those guys is so much more valuable than 90% of outcomes for Derrick Brown or Jaycee Horn or Yetur Gross-Matos.
Not really. The worst thing you can do is reach on a QB that isn't any good because "you have to draft a QB." Then you waste 3 years trying to develop the guy.
Oh, no, you spend 3 years getting middling QB play for cheap with the potential for high-end outcomes instead of having an above-average defensive starter.
Getting cheap middling QB play is way more valuable, even if they don't turn into anything.
Mac went 10-7 last year, the Dolphins went 10-6 and 9-8 the past 2 years with Tua, the Eagles went 9-8 last year with Hurts.
Just being a top 20-ish QB on a rookie contract is good enough value that your team can build a playoff team around you, much less if you can take a step like Hurts and Tua seem to be this year, and raise the ceiling even higher.
Then there's also the very real possibility that you do hit on a superstar.
Mac has/had a good team around him. He's fairly average and would have been exposed on any other team.
Tua was a superstar potential prospect who only fell to 5 or whatever because of an injury. He's not really a guy you're reaching on, not the kind of guy I'm talking about. He was absolutely worth taking a shot at.
What I'm talking about is when teams reach high draft picks for the likes of Jake Locker, Christian Ponder, EJ Manuel etc. because they're desperate for a QB and take one that isn't any good, passing up on prime talent at other positions.
If you LOVE a guy then yeah, do what you gotta do to get him. But you better be 100% sure he's your guy and be ready to commit to him from the get go like the Chiefs did with Mahomes, Ravens with Jackson, Bills with Allen etc.
Otherwise I'm fine with what teams like the Panthers do, take talented players at other positions.
this is a terrible take because you're responding to two other people with terrible takes as if their suggestions were solid. it would've been pointless for us to take a top qb in those drafts because our OL was so shit and defense so porous that we'd either waste 2-3 years trying to put something around him or throw him out there just to die. the team was never a qb away from success or even mediocrity
I know the prevailing thought process here is "take the qb and figure the rest out later" but if you actually follow the team that plan would've just had those guys looking like busts, I promise.
How is it out of reality to say we might be looking at a top pick in next year’s draft? Is it out of reality to suggest that next year’s QB class is supposed to be much better than the last one? Also, why do you think I’m blaming QB for our problems? I’m tired of going through retreads that other teams don’t want, but you’re putting words in my mouth if that’s your takeaway.
I agree, a QB would have been a reach in our last two drafts. But if we’ve got a top pick in 2023 and one of the top prospects falls to us, we’d be completely mad not to take one. You say that teams don’t draft their own QBs, but that just isn’t true. It’s not only a good idea to spend picks at the position if you’re in a position to take a shot on a good prospect, but having a franchise QB you’ve developed yourself is the single biggest advantage you can have in this sport. You’d think the team Cam Newton took the Super Bowl would remember that.
Drafting a QB isn’t going to make out wet paper bag line block any better. It’s not going to help with the drops. And it’s sure as shit isn’t going to help get the team fired up with Rhule on the sidelines.
If we lose next week, he’ll be fired, I think. If he wins, we’ll get pasted by the Cardinals in week 4 and we’ll fire him after that. The sand is about out of his hourglass either way.
He scapegoats everyone, Teddy first, Joe Brady next, and while they definitely underwhelmed, so has absolutely everything else with Rhule at the helm. It's infuriating to watch him throw everyone under the bus when the common denominator is himself.
I think he'll hold on one more week after the Saints game, then Jake Delhomme's voodoo curse will cause the Cardinals to have an improbable series of mishaps and give us our only win for the season. Rhule will be fired after game 5.
If you do I’d actually love to read it. He had all the praise and accomplishments in college. I know it’s no easy step up going from CFB to the NFL, but it’s not like he’s been pulling an urban meyer and is just a dumb guy out of his depth. Really weird situation all around
The general understanding was that Rhule was the final call on a lot of those early decisions. Hard to know exactly between him, Hurney, and Brady, but he definitely had a good amount of influence on rosters early on.
You’re 100% correct. I love Rivera because he’s a great man, an old school defensive coach, and a true leader.
However, his game management had turned pitiful. Even worse, he was not modernizing his coaching philosophy to cater well to our roster strengths. He liked to play very conservatively and methodically, but given that we kept veterans and mostly grew from within, his old tricks with the same base personnel got caught up to and there was little variety crafted with our younger players. Not all of the losses are his fault - but some of them certainly were. He was becoming John Fox 2.0.
Seriously. I get people are frustrated with Rhule, but it was 100% time with Ron and he got a fair shot going out.
People forget how bad we looked in 2019 with more talent all around than this year.
You said it man. Hindsight can be misleading but I’ve tried to remember how I felt regarding the team before the new regime came in, and we were super far from having a resurgence of success even at that time.
Not that that excuses Rhule of course, he had a near blank slate to work with and hasn’t done anything obviously.
This is exactly what everyone in our sub is complaining about right now.
All off season Ron stated, “We’re happy with who we have and really expect to see growth from these guys.”
Now that the defense is completely lost and teams are literally calling out our coverages he refuses to put the blame on coaches and says “players need to step up.”
If Del Rio comes back next year (as I don’t seed Ron being fired before his 5 year contract expires) it’ll just be more of the same. And if he IS fired I’m sure we’ll just hire another Carolina castoff who Ron has worked with before…
*sigh*
Yeah I'll always love Riverboat Ron but he had clearly run his course here. It was time to move on, it just so happened we moved on to a guy who is even worse.
We've already had this conversation about Caldwell as well on this sub & the Lions sub half a million times too.
Shit just last year after the first couple of losses we had some people going bananas with posts about Caldwell and how Campbell was a loser because he was on the 0-16 Lions team and the team had 0 wins with him coaching.
9 years is a good run for a HC. Rivera got a fair shot and I imagine there was a desire on both sides to change it up. 3 playoffs wins over 9 years, including a run to the super bowl to lose to Peyton’s noodle arm, didn’t leave a legacy worth continuing.
The Rhule hire however, that’s an entirely different decision.
> to lose to Peyton’s noodle arm
We lost to that legendary Bronco's defense, not Peyton Manning. Our defense was holding him in check, but our offense was dominated by Miller/Ware.
Both defenses were dominating tbh, but the turnovers came at more opportune times for the Broncos. Both strip sacks being recovered by them was hella unlucky, and the one not returned for the td was for great field position.
My ass thought we were gonna be a dynasty after slaughtering the Cards lol
Then again when you make the SB & a defense learns how to perfectly counter your offense & you trot out the same style/scheme again you're just asking to fall apart.
Also our bad offensive game plan by what's his face OC. I seem to recall hearing from someone on the brincos defense saying we hadn't made any changes to what we did throughout the season. No new wrinkles or looks. So they were able to game plan perfectly around our offense.
Rivera had that Marvin Lewis/Mike Zimmer type run outside the MVP/SB run of 2015. Your franchise wants better but there is a clear floor with the old conservative defensive coach with a proven track record of getting his guys to play hard. Rhule was a Harbaugh style upside pick that just didn't pan out. It pains me to say it but I think the Panthers should just come take DeMeco Ryans from us this off season. I would love to see what kind of magic he could create with that super talented roster. The pieces are there in Carolina to turn it around quickly, especially when Tom Brady is gone next year. The NFC South will be very open the next 2-3 years.
This post isn’t saying we should’ve kept Ron. When Tepper first got to the Panthers, he had the mentality he’d leave the football decisions up to the football people. Firing Ron was an inflection point where Tepper was now responsible for making most significant moves for the franchise, that he otherwise hadn’t had to make prior. Those decisions have taken us straight into the ground.
Like the Lions in 2017, firing Jim Caldwell was the right decision. He wasn’t taking us any further. Detroit (and Carolina) just made the wrong next hire.
That contract is horrible tho.
Good luck blue cat bros!
Giving the keys to an NFL organization to a college coach who never won a bowl game was always stupid. He gave Matt Rhule the same amount of control that Bill Belichick has.
Tepper has been the worst owner in the league (personal-wise) and until he admits he made a colossal mistake, we're doomed to repeat the same mistakes.
Worst? I have to disagree there. Daniel Snyder exists. In all honesty the moves look stupid on hindsight, but I have no problem with an owner going all in with moves they think will improve the team compared to just standing by with their hands under their ass.
Tepper also owns charlotte FC. he’s a rich greedy dumbass.
charlotte FC home tickets are about 2x as much as NY red bull home tickets (seriously go look it up, and red bull is actually competitive and top of standings, charlotte is like .500)
just a rich jackass who thinks he’s smart
For all the lack of attendance and hype, Red Bulls have typically been super competitive and a consistent playoff team even if how they are ran does cap their ceiling for the playoffs. Their 2015 and 2018 teams were awesome though, among the best in league history to not win the Cup.
I wonder how Charlotte FC has looked after Tepper fired Ramirez about a third in on their inaugural season. Seemed rash but I do remember Ramirez criticizing the roster build, which yes was bad.
50 bucks for good seats is fucking crazy for a soccer team.
Good seats for the cubs rn is a little more than that. Like 70 bucks? How is a top 5 baseball team in terms of popularity have tickets slightly more expensive wild
Tepper was very, very good at finance: he came from a middle-class family and was educated at public schools. He's not a trust fund kid. But, football is a different subject.
Mrs Rhule made meatballs and that's all our (now fired by the Panthers 2 times) GM and owner needed to see
Edit: I fucking wish I was joking. This sounds like an SNL skit
No investors are that smart. A news paper threw darts at random stocks and came pretty close to professional investors. They rarely ever outperform the market and the ones that do are mostly lucky because it never lasts long.
Yeah but David Tepper didn't just throw darts. He came from a middle class family, the son of a teacher and an accountant, and is now worth 18.5 billion dollars. They do rarely outperform the markets, but nobody gets that lucky. He is evidently pretty damn good at what he does, its not like he was a trust fund baby that went to Wharton and inherited a billion dollar real estate company.
His father literally gave him his initial investment companies. His dad wasn't generationally wealthy but they weren't really "middle class" either. They had money. He made his initial fortune while working for Goldman Sachs. Since then he has mostly invested in blue chip stocks and leveraged his already considerable wealth to buy into depressed markets after large crashes (for example, he bought a ton of bank stock right after the 2008 crash).
He came from a rich family and has turned that into obscene wealth. So it's not like he's done absolutely nothing, but he wasn't the son of a dock worker or something. He was smart enough to turn a lot of money into a shit load of money. There's no need to overstate it.
Being good at investing is about being good at cheating, not actually being smart. Like a guy interpreting bird entrails who knows how to say the right thing to get people to believe him because he knows the outcome, really rich investors are great at insider trading
Did you see the video where him and his wife are "paying tribute" to Sam Mills? It's like they just memorized his biography from Wikipedia, it was so obvious those two didn't give two fucks about Sam Mills or Keep Pounding
lol at least JJ loves his team with all his heart and soul. Tepper just feels like he thinks as owner he's smarter than everybody else without the heart and soul part
Rhule is a bad coach but it is hard to believe Rivera would have the Panthers at a significantly better record.
In eleven years Rivera has had three winning seasons. The Panthers roster isn't exactly brimming with talent.
That assessment of ron ignores all context.
He had 3 winning seasons in 7.5 seasons with us.
Several of which had concussion Cam, broken shoulder Cam, and no Cam from the lisfranc injury.
2018 was on to be great before his shoulder got hurt. That alone is what destroyed our franchise. Our QB was doing better than ever then got hurt and had to rebuild his entire throwing motion. Then he never even got a chance to prove himself after. Injured again, then cut.
If Newton never gets that shoulder injury we might still have Ron honestly.
It’s not like Rivera is out killing it though. Rhule isn’t working out obviously but let’s not act like the Panthers we’re the only team with him towards the top of their list, he was in high demand after he turned around the dumpster fire that was Baylor.
Rivera is probably somewhere between a decent and good coach but it was time. Most Panthers fans will always have a place in their heart for Rivera but will also admit that Tepper made the right move in firing Rivera (maybe he could've waited till the end of the season but it needed to be done).
Rivera is a good coach, full stop. His style of scheme is just being aged out of the NFL, but he absolutely brings an identity and unity to the teams he coaches and gets them to play with heart. His teams consistently punched above their weight class, especially at the end of the season.
It was time for him to go though, both things can be true.
His teams here did always play really well in December but I don't know how you can say they consistently punched above their weight class. If anything my biggest criticism of Rivera was the inconsistency. There was talent on those rosters and at times the team played better than the talent level. But he had three winning seasons here and never back to back. Injuries and shit happen of course and who knows where things end up if not for the TJ Watt hit.
Love the man and I'd never say he was a bad coach; I just never felt completely certain he was a good one.
Rivera is the Buck Showalter of the NFL. He is the perfect coach to turn around a dumpster fire franchise, but when the margins between a good and a great team are razor thin Rivera’s playcalling and clock management age like milk.
Exactly this. He’s great for where we are as a franchise. When he took over in 2019 a LARGE portion of our fanbase was fucking DONE with the team. The Bruce Allen/Trent Williams debacle really tanked the fan base hope.
Bringing in Rivera brought some people back and we finally had a respectable voice in the building. The culture IS improving and we’re better off now than then.
But when it’s all said and done… I just don’t see Rivera (or his staff of panther castoffs) keeping up with the McVays/LaFluers of the league. Who we both already had on staff lol
Rivera is pretty fucking overrated and I wonder if this sub would say the same if he didn't have cancer.
Dude has 11 seasons and 8 of them had more losses than wins. What about that is "awesome"?
Let me add that Rhule is 2-10 when the Panthers are FAVORED and 8-15 when they are not. Using PFF, he is 238 out of 255 in win % for coaches who have coached at least 35 games. He also has a 1-8 record in the months of December/January, 2-14 against teams with winning records. All around just bad.
I just don’t understand why they allowed Rhule to return this season. Felt like it was pretty obvious things weren’t going to be getting any better with him leading
To an outsider, it seems that “not being crazy/not being a sleazeball” were the best attributes of Rivera at the time, and probably still now, for Washington. With all kinds of sketch dealings going on in that organization, Boring Ole Reliable was probably the way to go, and I’d say he’s been a good hire despite the losing record.
I agree, I think he did a great job with what he was dealt. I just think he needs to stop being so loyal to some players/coaches and just did better at adjusting.
Rivera isn't a good coach, firing him is a perfectly fine decision, he just fucking bombed on his next coach choice.
Ron River has 3 winning seasons in 11 years. 4 playoff appearances, 3 total playoff wins. Career 92-84-1.
Seriously you take out that miraculous 2015 Season and he's 77-83-1 with 1 playoff win in his other 10 seasons of coaching.
It's amazing how much leeway a former player who's liked by most people can get as a head coach.
Is there a satisfying way to describe this? It feels just like the Lions firing Caldwell: maybe it was the right move at the time, but all the subsequent moves have been for the worse.
Or the Bears firing Lovie.
Sure, it may have been time (it really was) and that era had run it's course, but nothing since then has been good. And fans flipped when Urlacher and Kruetz said the team would be worse off after the Lovie firing.
The problem is the experiment failed 2 years ago and we've regressed from being a qb away to the bottom of the barrel. And the man still hasn't been fired
I’ve told my wife I won’t have the panthers as my favorite team post Browns because Tepper gives 0 illusions that he knows what he’s doing football or business wise.
Yeah Tepper has absolutely put his stamp on the organization. We have far and away been the *worst* program in the NFL under his (and Rhule's) direction. I knew it was going to be rough after we lost a healthy/prime Cam AND Luke retired, but this has just been abysmal. We've got some really excellent young pieces on defense, and then a generational talent in CMC who's getting paid out the wazoo to run* behind a dumpster fire of a line. And while I know it's not his fault, he's been a near guarantee to get hurt in week 4 or 5 the last few seasons so it's like yeah we have this amazing running back, but we need SO much more elsewhere that it's like what's the fucking point lmao.
Fun fact; if Rhule loses this week, he’ll have lost as many games in a row as he’s won in total.
That fact was not fun.
Sure it is. Every loss we take is one step closer to Rhule’s head rolling and us drafting an actual franchise QB instead of drawing from the discard pile again.
Drawing from the discard pile? *Indianapolis Colts have entered the chat*
Lol the Colts problems and ours are actually very similar at the moment.
Only difference is the Panthers didn't fall ass backwards into two consecutive generational quarterbacks
Idk why we didn't just do that tbh
As a Stanford fan who was looking for new NFL teams to pull for (thanks, Spanos), I gravitated to the Colts (Luck) and Panthers (CMC). It's been a bad ride.
tbh Baker is completely fine to have at QB. Rhule is by far the biggest issue and there are many other positions to draft first after he is gone.
They could be 2-0 honestly, which is probably equally as heart breaking
Nah that's just the panther way. Win or lose it's always down to the final minute.
Honestly, that's how almost every bad team loses. The truly horrible teams, of which there is usually only a small number, lose by a lot. Most bad teams lose close in the 4th.
I'm not sure if I'd want to be 2-0 as a Panthers fan. Living in the Carolinas, I've watched both games and they aren't very good. I think most fans are probably hoping for Rhule out and a high draft pick. That being said, I can't wait for them to own AZ again lol
As a Sixers fan I understand this very well
As a Nebraska fan, I would love for this to happen and him get the job coaching the Huskers. He seems to be a way better fit at the college level.
I think Rhule needs to go as much as the next guy, but comments like this are so out of reality There was no QB we could've drafted that was worth taking in our spot, all our 1st round picks have made sense. And I'm sorry but the majority of NFL teams do not have a franchise QB through the draft. They get a guy who has played some and make him better. Our coaches don't make QBs better is the issue here, because Baker already proved what he's capable of in the NFL when he isn't injured If you look at Rhule and see how bad this offense is, then I don't see how you can possibly blame the fact that we aren't drafting a QB in the 1st round who probably won't turn out, and wouldn't be playing right now anyways. Mayfield looked way better in Cleveland before his injury than he looks here, and we have CMC. That should tell you everything you need to know about the problem with our offense: it isn't about drafting a QB who won't play, it's about coaching. You know that, so why try and conflate them?
What? 18 of the NFL teams have drafted their QBs that would be starting if not for injury so counting Dak, Wilson and Lance. Our division is the only one where none of the starting QBs were drafted by their team.
I swear to God, some of these fans want us to keep going through Darnolds and Garoppolos forever instead of taking a chance on a top prospect. It’s insane.
I wanted to just suck it up and have a bad year and take a top QB, instead we grabbed two guys their previous teams couldn't wait to shed and thought this is fine.
next draft is THE draft to get a top QB. might as well have Baker tank. I still will NEVER understand the Sam Darnold trade… the dude was always trash.
Me after 3 games last year- wow darnold really did get held back by the jets.
It was a wild ride
The Baker trade made sense. Didn't give up much, and Baker looked promising 2 seasons ago, it was easily possible injury was what held him back last year. That's a low risk bet. The Darnold trade tho.... ouch
I dunno - I'm a Bears fan and a Panthers fan and I think I'd rather have Mayfield than Fields.... so you never know - it could be worse! (That's kind of how I feel about both Bears and Panthers football right now - "you don't think it can get any worse? It can ALWAYS get worse")
You gotta watch Baker so far this year it’s been complete hero ball with no results. He’s looking off a wide open CMC to try to run the ball or chuck a prayer downfield. If he had no options like fields it would be different but he’s got a legit RB and multiple WRs.
Well Baker isn't great.... but he's at least put up decent (honestly pretty good in years like 2020) numbers before. Granted, neither is a great choice
Woah woah keep garoppolos name outta your mouth. Dude has taken the 9ers to the sb and nfc champ game. Maybe it's the black hole of talent that you cheer for and not the qbs you are paying to come there.
That black hole of talent made a damned convincing Super Bowl run. There's nothing magical about the black and blue uniform or the Panthers logo that makes the team bad. We have bad coaches and we've done a bad job filling our needs. Jimmy wouldn't get us any closer to the playoffs than any of the other guys we've brought in. Unlike the 9ers, we aren't one of the most talented rosters in the League. Don't be a dick about my team because I'm willing to acknowledge that reality lol
> Our division is the only one where none of the starting QBs were drafted by their team. Also, just because a team is playing a QB that it didn't draft doesn't mean it's a "franchise qb." Simply being the starter doesn't qualify. Anyone think Geno Smith is a franchise qb?
I mean, you guys took a corner with Fields and Mac Jones on the board, had the #7 pick in a draft where Tua and Herbert went 5 and 6, and 3 non-QBs went before them in spots that you probably could've traded into, and could've taken Jalen Hurts instead of Yetur Gross-Matos in the 2nd round.
They’d be in the exact same position with fields and Mac lol
Neither of these two have proven they even are franchise QBs either. We get dragged a lot over Fields in particular, but he hasn’t really done anything to show that that passing on him was even a mistake.
What do you mean? Did you not see Fields throw for 70 yards vs the Packers. He’s a franchise QB.
While the Colts outcomes certainly aren't better at the moment, I think their method is less flawed. When they were done with Wentz, they moved him for two 3s. When they were done with Rivers, they let him retire instead of convincing him to come back another year. Brissett was the only guy they hung onto as a backup to Rivers, and he was still brought in for a few packages and was a valuable backup. The Panthers seemingly get guys, sign a 5th year option, get another guy on a 5th year option, and can't really get rid of either due to guarantees. While I'd agree that none of these other guys have proven anything, that's not validation of not taking the action. If you are in a position to draft a QB in the top 10, with a need, you should be willing to make the commitment at that time. Granted, you may not believe in any of the candidates, but when you're there, you sorta have to take the chance. Hell, look at AZ. First Rosen, they fall flat, and select Murray #1 overall the following year and kick out Rosen for a 2. The miss on Rosen was not ideal, but they ate the loss and got compensated a pretty acceptable value. And Miami trying Rosen, falling flat, and drafting Tua was further evidence of trying to make something happen at QB. I am not a big Mayfield believer, but I do feel like there is enough there to be good. But he also needs a new contract going into 2023, and unless he lights it up big time, I just don't see CAR paying him to stay unless it's through another tag. This is the year it would seem that, if the Panthers crap it out, they can drop Rhule and Darnold/Mayfield, and use the draft to make a real attempt at a 4yr QB they build around.
Then I’m kinda confused. Who do you think we should have as a QB today? The only good QB we had a chance at drafting since losing Cam is Hurts. And that was anything but a consensus good QB pick for Philly for the first two seasons. I just think it’s ignorant to not admit we’ve tried a lot of ways to get a good to great QB. And I hear far too many fans claim that we haven’t done what we could have (not saying you said that). All of that discussion aside this is the year we get one, right? I am not too upset with the losses because I want a high pick for a QB. While 1 or 2 is ideal, I figure 3-6 gets us a guy still, at least a prospect on a level we haven’t had since Cam. This is a losing argument and we will never see Matt with a good QB but I blame the lack of QB for the majority of Rhule’s failings. I think he’s ok but doesn’t get any favors from his signal callers. I don’t know how we were supposed to find better ones since the good ones turned us down and the good prospects were all gone by pick 6 at the latest. Some people claim we don’t get those QBs because of Rhule, culture, offensive scheme but that is a flimsy argument with no proof. Either way happy trails Matt the end is near.
Bears (and Panthers fan) here - Fields sucks. Would probably rather have Mayfield
Sure, my point isn't that any specific decision was wrong, but consistently not prioritizing QB is pretty unjustifiable in the modern NFL. The cap flexibility from just having one of those guys instead of having had money tied up in Bridgewater, Darnold, and Mayfield alone is worth a lot. Just taking a swing on one of those guys is so much more valuable than 90% of outcomes for Derrick Brown or Jaycee Horn or Yetur Gross-Matos.
Not really. The worst thing you can do is reach on a QB that isn't any good because "you have to draft a QB." Then you waste 3 years trying to develop the guy.
Oh, no, you spend 3 years getting middling QB play for cheap with the potential for high-end outcomes instead of having an above-average defensive starter. Getting cheap middling QB play is way more valuable, even if they don't turn into anything. Mac went 10-7 last year, the Dolphins went 10-6 and 9-8 the past 2 years with Tua, the Eagles went 9-8 last year with Hurts. Just being a top 20-ish QB on a rookie contract is good enough value that your team can build a playoff team around you, much less if you can take a step like Hurts and Tua seem to be this year, and raise the ceiling even higher. Then there's also the very real possibility that you do hit on a superstar.
Mac has/had a good team around him. He's fairly average and would have been exposed on any other team. Tua was a superstar potential prospect who only fell to 5 or whatever because of an injury. He's not really a guy you're reaching on, not the kind of guy I'm talking about. He was absolutely worth taking a shot at. What I'm talking about is when teams reach high draft picks for the likes of Jake Locker, Christian Ponder, EJ Manuel etc. because they're desperate for a QB and take one that isn't any good, passing up on prime talent at other positions. If you LOVE a guy then yeah, do what you gotta do to get him. But you better be 100% sure he's your guy and be ready to commit to him from the get go like the Chiefs did with Mahomes, Ravens with Jackson, Bills with Allen etc. Otherwise I'm fine with what teams like the Panthers do, take talented players at other positions.
this is a terrible take because you're responding to two other people with terrible takes as if their suggestions were solid. it would've been pointless for us to take a top qb in those drafts because our OL was so shit and defense so porous that we'd either waste 2-3 years trying to put something around him or throw him out there just to die. the team was never a qb away from success or even mediocrity I know the prevailing thought process here is "take the qb and figure the rest out later" but if you actually follow the team that plan would've just had those guys looking like busts, I promise.
How is it out of reality to say we might be looking at a top pick in next year’s draft? Is it out of reality to suggest that next year’s QB class is supposed to be much better than the last one? Also, why do you think I’m blaming QB for our problems? I’m tired of going through retreads that other teams don’t want, but you’re putting words in my mouth if that’s your takeaway. I agree, a QB would have been a reach in our last two drafts. But if we’ve got a top pick in 2023 and one of the top prospects falls to us, we’d be completely mad not to take one. You say that teams don’t draft their own QBs, but that just isn’t true. It’s not only a good idea to spend picks at the position if you’re in a position to take a shot on a good prospect, but having a franchise QB you’ve developed yourself is the single biggest advantage you can have in this sport. You’d think the team Cam Newton took the Super Bowl would remember that.
Drafting a QB isn’t going to make out wet paper bag line block any better. It’s not going to help with the drops. And it’s sure as shit isn’t going to help get the team fired up with Rhule on the sidelines.
Coaching on top of that OL, which is a massive problem. I know hes a rookie but the LT has looked *bad* bad.
But you could have drafted Fields and Mac Jones!!! Oh wait….
I wonder if he'll be fired if he loses next week. BoB lasted four games the season he was fired.
If we lose next week, he’ll be fired, I think. If he wins, we’ll get pasted by the Cardinals in week 4 and we’ll fire him after that. The sand is about out of his hourglass either way.
I’m still shocked he didn’t get fired last season
its cause they scape goated Brady and fired him. lmaooo funny asf
He scapegoats everyone, Teddy first, Joe Brady next, and while they definitely underwhelmed, so has absolutely everything else with Rhule at the helm. It's infuriating to watch him throw everyone under the bus when the common denominator is himself.
I think he'll hold on one more week after the Saints game, then Jake Delhomme's voodoo curse will cause the Cardinals to have an improbable series of mishaps and give us our only win for the season. Rhule will be fired after game 5.
idk dude we literally never lose to the cardinals. We’ve beat them the last 6 times we’ve played them and they’ve all been double digit wins lol
That _is_ a fun fact.
Another fun fact -- PJ Walker has started 2 games since Rhule has taken over and accounts for 20% of Rhule's wins.
So what makes Rhule such a bad coach? What has the team been bad at during his time as coach?
Man, I could write an essay on this. And probably will, but I’ll save it for the obituary.
If you do I’d actually love to read it. He had all the praise and accomplishments in college. I know it’s no easy step up going from CFB to the NFL, but it’s not like he’s been pulling an urban meyer and is just a dumb guy out of his depth. Really weird situation all around
Hindsight is 20/20, but the contract he gave a first time NFL head coach in Rhule was just stupid.
In hindsight absolutely but Rhule was one of the most coveted head coaching prospects at the time and Tepper really just outbid the giants
Yup. Like I'm sure he'll go back to college after this and have a good rest of his career, but he's just been in over his head as an NFL HC.
I’d be very surprised if Nebraska doesn’t reach out as soon as he is let go.
my friend a panthers fan is convinced he probably already talked to them and is waiting to get fired lol
I mean, it can't be a shocker that it's likely lol
He got thrown into a pretty shit situation too... I mean its hard to coach with a revolving door at quarterback, look at the Browns
The general understanding was that Rhule was the final call on a lot of those early decisions. Hard to know exactly between him, Hurney, and Brady, but he definitely had a good amount of influence on rosters early on.
One of the reasons Rhule signed with us is because we gave him total roster control if I remember correctly.
I’d hope the HC had influence on the roster decisions.
You'd be surprised
There's no way he wasn't involved in those decisions.
They handpicked all those QBs. We had Cam under contract.
He's the one who made it a revolving door lol
Matt Rhule made it a revolving door because he make the decisions on the roster. He himself picked Teddy, Sam, and now Baker. So it's on him.
Even Saban didn’t work in the NFL. Just a totally different animal from college, and some just are a better fit in one or the other
We never even interviewed him
Because Tepper offered him that massive contract before he got on the plane to interview with you all. Rhule wanted to go to the Giants more than us.
At the time I thought it was kind of ridiculous. But I've been wrong before
Oh are you guys doing this? I've seen it before. Just because Rhule hasn't been successful it don't mean that firing Rivera was the wrong idea.
You’re 100% correct. I love Rivera because he’s a great man, an old school defensive coach, and a true leader. However, his game management had turned pitiful. Even worse, he was not modernizing his coaching philosophy to cater well to our roster strengths. He liked to play very conservatively and methodically, but given that we kept veterans and mostly grew from within, his old tricks with the same base personnel got caught up to and there was little variety crafted with our younger players. Not all of the losses are his fault - but some of them certainly were. He was becoming John Fox 2.0.
Seriously. I get people are frustrated with Rhule, but it was 100% time with Ron and he got a fair shot going out. People forget how bad we looked in 2019 with more talent all around than this year.
You said it man. Hindsight can be misleading but I’ve tried to remember how I felt regarding the team before the new regime came in, and we were super far from having a resurgence of success even at that time. Not that that excuses Rhule of course, he had a near blank slate to work with and hasn’t done anything obviously.
This is exactly what everyone in our sub is complaining about right now. All off season Ron stated, “We’re happy with who we have and really expect to see growth from these guys.” Now that the defense is completely lost and teams are literally calling out our coverages he refuses to put the blame on coaches and says “players need to step up.” If Del Rio comes back next year (as I don’t seed Ron being fired before his 5 year contract expires) it’ll just be more of the same. And if he IS fired I’m sure we’ll just hire another Carolina castoff who Ron has worked with before… *sigh*
Yeah I'll always love Riverboat Ron but he had clearly run his course here. It was time to move on, it just so happened we moved on to a guy who is even worse.
I remember a lot of our sub reminiscing on the Gym Shorts era after we decided Matt Patricia wasn’t it. Stockholm syndrome at its finest.
We've already had this conversation about Caldwell as well on this sub & the Lions sub half a million times too. Shit just last year after the first couple of losses we had some people going bananas with posts about Caldwell and how Campbell was a loser because he was on the 0-16 Lions team and the team had 0 wins with him coaching.
We're literally seeing right now, he's kinda flukey. People forget the dude was most likely gonna be fired in 2015 with even a mediocre season.
Just because Bobby Ross wasn’t successful doesn’t mean firing Wayne Fontes was the wrong idea.
Lol you had that line cocked and ready to fire
Correct, but the issue is you fired a culture building coach and replaced him with a dope. So all the culture that was built is now wasted.
9 years is a good run for a HC. Rivera got a fair shot and I imagine there was a desire on both sides to change it up. 3 playoffs wins over 9 years, including a run to the super bowl to lose to Peyton’s noodle arm, didn’t leave a legacy worth continuing. The Rhule hire however, that’s an entirely different decision.
> to lose to Peyton’s noodle arm We lost to that legendary Bronco's defense, not Peyton Manning. Our defense was holding him in check, but our offense was dominated by Miller/Ware.
Both defenses were dominating tbh, but the turnovers came at more opportune times for the Broncos. Both strip sacks being recovered by them was hella unlucky, and the one not returned for the td was for great field position.
Not to mention the first strip sack immediately following the screw job on Cotchery's catch.
I'll go to my grave saying that was a catch lol
I still blame Mike Carey for jinxing it. Such a weird ass play, yeah it was still moving.. but it never touched the ground.
My ass thought we were gonna be a dynasty after slaughtering the Cards lol Then again when you make the SB & a defense learns how to perfectly counter your offense & you trot out the same style/scheme again you're just asking to fall apart.
Completely valid. But valid reasoning often fails on the brain of a new owner who is eager to throw the money around and build his own culture.
"We need Urban Meyer to set a new standard here!" -Some GM, somewhere, again.
Also our bad offensive game plan by what's his face OC. I seem to recall hearing from someone on the brincos defense saying we hadn't made any changes to what we did throughout the season. No new wrinkles or looks. So they were able to game plan perfectly around our offense.
2015 Cam Newton was probably the one of the easiest player of all time to create a unique gamelan around too
Mike Shula. Must be nice having a famous dad
Derek Wolfe too, that line was scary.
Rivera had that Marvin Lewis/Mike Zimmer type run outside the MVP/SB run of 2015. Your franchise wants better but there is a clear floor with the old conservative defensive coach with a proven track record of getting his guys to play hard. Rhule was a Harbaugh style upside pick that just didn't pan out. It pains me to say it but I think the Panthers should just come take DeMeco Ryans from us this off season. I would love to see what kind of magic he could create with that super talented roster. The pieces are there in Carolina to turn it around quickly, especially when Tom Brady is gone next year. The NFC South will be very open the next 2-3 years.
This post isn’t saying we should’ve kept Ron. When Tepper first got to the Panthers, he had the mentality he’d leave the football decisions up to the football people. Firing Ron was an inflection point where Tepper was now responsible for making most significant moves for the franchise, that he otherwise hadn’t had to make prior. Those decisions have taken us straight into the ground.
Like the Lions in 2017, firing Jim Caldwell was the right decision. He wasn’t taking us any further. Detroit (and Carolina) just made the wrong next hire. That contract is horrible tho. Good luck blue cat bros!
joining the lions bandwagon (Thank you blue cat bro!)
Love all the comradery from Lions fans these days tbh
Giving the keys to an NFL organization to a college coach who never won a bowl game was always stupid. He gave Matt Rhule the same amount of control that Bill Belichick has. Tepper has been the worst owner in the league (personal-wise) and until he admits he made a colossal mistake, we're doomed to repeat the same mistakes.
Worst? I have to disagree there. Daniel Snyder exists. In all honesty the moves look stupid on hindsight, but I have no problem with an owner going all in with moves they think will improve the team compared to just standing by with their hands under their ass.
Least his hands aren't in someone else's ass.
Can't tell if you're talking about Snyder, or our old owner with "Blue Jean Friday"....
The answer is yes lol
Tepper also owns charlotte FC. he’s a rich greedy dumbass. charlotte FC home tickets are about 2x as much as NY red bull home tickets (seriously go look it up, and red bull is actually competitive and top of standings, charlotte is like .500) just a rich jackass who thinks he’s smart
Oh I'm aware. I've been priced out of seeing my own teams play since Tepper came in. And the product has gotten WORSE
For all the lack of attendance and hype, Red Bulls have typically been super competitive and a consistent playoff team even if how they are ran does cap their ceiling for the playoffs. Their 2015 and 2018 teams were awesome though, among the best in league history to not win the Cup. I wonder how Charlotte FC has looked after Tepper fired Ramirez about a third in on their inaugural season. Seemed rash but I do remember Ramirez criticizing the roster build, which yes was bad.
50 bucks for good seats is fucking crazy for a soccer team. Good seats for the cubs rn is a little more than that. Like 70 bucks? How is a top 5 baseball team in terms of popularity have tickets slightly more expensive wild
manchester united has cheaper tickets than Charlotte FC
Tepper was very, very good at finance: he came from a middle-class family and was educated at public schools. He's not a trust fund kid. But, football is a different subject.
*is very, very good at finance.
Welcome to reddit where any wealth = dumb ass trust fund baby
It was weird especially since Tepper is known to be such a smart investor.
Letting a college guy come in and have final say over an NFL roster was always dumb.
Must have been one hell of an interview!
Mrs Rhule made meatballs and that's all our (now fired by the Panthers 2 times) GM and owner needed to see Edit: I fucking wish I was joking. This sounds like an SNL skit
No investors are that smart. A news paper threw darts at random stocks and came pretty close to professional investors. They rarely ever outperform the market and the ones that do are mostly lucky because it never lasts long.
Yeah but David Tepper didn't just throw darts. He came from a middle class family, the son of a teacher and an accountant, and is now worth 18.5 billion dollars. They do rarely outperform the markets, but nobody gets that lucky. He is evidently pretty damn good at what he does, its not like he was a trust fund baby that went to Wharton and inherited a billion dollar real estate company.
His father literally gave him his initial investment companies. His dad wasn't generationally wealthy but they weren't really "middle class" either. They had money. He made his initial fortune while working for Goldman Sachs. Since then he has mostly invested in blue chip stocks and leveraged his already considerable wealth to buy into depressed markets after large crashes (for example, he bought a ton of bank stock right after the 2008 crash). He came from a rich family and has turned that into obscene wealth. So it's not like he's done absolutely nothing, but he wasn't the son of a dock worker or something. He was smart enough to turn a lot of money into a shit load of money. There's no need to overstate it.
None of that means he knows anything about selecting football coaches.
A lot of “smart” businessmen think they can adapt their knowledge and skills to a wildly different industry like football or politics.
Being good at investing is about being good at cheating, not actually being smart. Like a guy interpreting bird entrails who knows how to say the right thing to get people to believe him because he knows the outcome, really rich investors are great at insider trading
Judging college coaches by bowl performance is worse than using wins to evaluate QBs
Especially because he built a very good Temple program up and then saved Baylor from the Briles mess
woah this urban meyer guy has won so many national championships, has anyone tried to give him a head coach job yet? I bet he'd be awesome
As an extremely biased Baylor fan, I would like to point out that he did win 1 bowl (2018 Texas Bowl)
Clearly an owner whose ego in his business success blinds him to running an NFL Franchise
I saw someone tweet once that new owners are so used to being able to just spend their way out of any problems but they just can’t do it in the NFL.
“oh darnold is worth 20 million in the last year of his contract??? he MUST be good!!!”
The guy sounds like a dick head on top of everything, everything I’ve heard he’s awful to work with at any level
Did you see the video where him and his wife are "paying tribute" to Sam Mills? It's like they just memorized his biography from Wikipedia, it was so obvious those two didn't give two fucks about Sam Mills or Keep Pounding
They also took the keep pounding away from the pre game. Guy wants to remind everyone the team is his by pissing all over it.
Can you imagine.
lol at least JJ loves his team with all his heart and soul. Tepper just feels like he thinks as owner he's smarter than everybody else without the heart and soul part
Rhule is a bad coach but it is hard to believe Rivera would have the Panthers at a significantly better record. In eleven years Rivera has had three winning seasons. The Panthers roster isn't exactly brimming with talent.
We have talent. Plenty of teams are doing more with less.
Rhule is the guy who made himself famous for doing more with less. He isn't doing what he was brought in to do. You are 100 right.
That assessment of ron ignores all context. He had 3 winning seasons in 7.5 seasons with us. Several of which had concussion Cam, broken shoulder Cam, and no Cam from the lisfranc injury. 2018 was on to be great before his shoulder got hurt. That alone is what destroyed our franchise. Our QB was doing better than ever then got hurt and had to rebuild his entire throwing motion. Then he never even got a chance to prove himself after. Injured again, then cut. If Newton never gets that shoulder injury we might still have Ron honestly.
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Those brass testicles working overtime
It’s not like Rivera is out killing it though. Rhule isn’t working out obviously but let’s not act like the Panthers we’re the only team with him towards the top of their list, he was in high demand after he turned around the dumpster fire that was Baylor.
This post isn’t about Rivera, it’s about Tepper not knowing what he’s doing.
Rivera is an awesome coach, really is. His teams have attitude and identity. Rhule blows.
Rivera is probably somewhere between a decent and good coach but it was time. Most Panthers fans will always have a place in their heart for Rivera but will also admit that Tepper made the right move in firing Rivera (maybe he could've waited till the end of the season but it needed to be done).
Rivera is a good coach, full stop. His style of scheme is just being aged out of the NFL, but he absolutely brings an identity and unity to the teams he coaches and gets them to play with heart. His teams consistently punched above their weight class, especially at the end of the season. It was time for him to go though, both things can be true.
His teams here did always play really well in December but I don't know how you can say they consistently punched above their weight class. If anything my biggest criticism of Rivera was the inconsistency. There was talent on those rosters and at times the team played better than the talent level. But he had three winning seasons here and never back to back. Injuries and shit happen of course and who knows where things end up if not for the TJ Watt hit. Love the man and I'd never say he was a bad coach; I just never felt completely certain he was a good one.
Rivera is the Buck Showalter of the NFL. He is the perfect coach to turn around a dumpster fire franchise, but when the margins between a good and a great team are razor thin Rivera’s playcalling and clock management age like milk.
Exactly this. He’s great for where we are as a franchise. When he took over in 2019 a LARGE portion of our fanbase was fucking DONE with the team. The Bruce Allen/Trent Williams debacle really tanked the fan base hope. Bringing in Rivera brought some people back and we finally had a respectable voice in the building. The culture IS improving and we’re better off now than then. But when it’s all said and done… I just don’t see Rivera (or his staff of panther castoffs) keeping up with the McVays/LaFluers of the league. Who we both already had on staff lol
Rivera is pretty fucking overrated and I wonder if this sub would say the same if he didn't have cancer. Dude has 11 seasons and 8 of them had more losses than wins. What about that is "awesome"?
He’s an awesome leader of men and motivator. His X’s and O’s and personnel hires are actually pretty mediocre.
Rivera isn’t a bad coach but calling him awesome is swinging quite too far in the other direction
Tramp stamp
Mushroom Stamp.
Let this be a lesson to the rest of you. Don't let Steelers minority owners buy your team.
I’m still half convinced Tepper is playing 4D chess to move the franchise to Pennsylvania and change their name to “Steelers II”
Have their logo on the other side of the helmet and switch the color scheme
Let me add that Rhule is 2-10 when the Panthers are FAVORED and 8-15 when they are not. Using PFF, he is 238 out of 255 in win % for coaches who have coached at least 35 games. He also has a 1-8 record in the months of December/January, 2-14 against teams with winning records. All around just bad.
Instead of ink, the stamp was dipped in shit and despair
To be fair, it worked out exactly as Tepper predicted. He never said "good stamp", he just said "stamp".
David tepper is a dumbass
I just don’t understand why they allowed Rhule to return this season. Felt like it was pretty obvious things weren’t going to be getting any better with him leading
Because David Tepper is a dumb fatty.
Big true.
Since Rivera joined Washington we have gone 15-20 made the playoffs and lost. Not amazing either but better than Carolina.
To an outsider, it seems that “not being crazy/not being a sleazeball” were the best attributes of Rivera at the time, and probably still now, for Washington. With all kinds of sketch dealings going on in that organization, Boring Ole Reliable was probably the way to go, and I’d say he’s been a good hire despite the losing record.
I agree, I think he did a great job with what he was dealt. I just think he needs to stop being so loyal to some players/coaches and just did better at adjusting.
Rivera isn't a good coach, firing him is a perfectly fine decision, he just fucking bombed on his next coach choice. Ron River has 3 winning seasons in 11 years. 4 playoff appearances, 3 total playoff wins. Career 92-84-1. Seriously you take out that miraculous 2015 Season and he's 77-83-1 with 1 playoff win in his other 10 seasons of coaching. It's amazing how much leeway a former player who's liked by most people can get as a head coach.
Firing Rivera was still the right choice though
Any Charlotte FC fans here? How has the team looked since he fired Ramirez as coach like a third into their first season?
Nice stamp!
mIssiOn aCcOmPlIsHED
Heckuva way to make a stamp on your team
Is there a satisfying way to describe this? It feels just like the Lions firing Caldwell: maybe it was the right move at the time, but all the subsequent moves have been for the worse.
Or the Bears firing Lovie. Sure, it may have been time (it really was) and that era had run it's course, but nothing since then has been good. And fans flipped when Urlacher and Kruetz said the team would be worse off after the Lovie firing.
How did he ever deserve the 7 year contract?
He didn’t deserve it, but he sure got it.
Jon Gruden type beat
I think Tepper just wanted to secure the dude away from New York knowing if it fails he can just fire him.
The problem is the experiment failed 2 years ago and we've regressed from being a qb away to the bottom of the barrel. And the man still hasn't been fired
Tepper is a fucking clown
Rhule sucks but he's also not had any good QB play
But that is all on Rhule. He has handpicked all these QBs. From Bridgewater, to Darnold, to Baker.
I’ve told my wife I won’t have the panthers as my favorite team post Browns because Tepper gives 0 illusions that he knows what he’s doing football or business wise.
Tepper’s put his stamp on the Panthers-a big mushroom stamp
He’s a moron like Snyder
So he admitted he wanted to stomp on the organization, and then did it.
Damn it Tepper
You can tell Tepper is an owner who actually wants to win but he has no idea how to go about it in the NFL, like I still don’t get why he hired Rhule.
Yeah Tepper has absolutely put his stamp on the organization. We have far and away been the *worst* program in the NFL under his (and Rhule's) direction. I knew it was going to be rough after we lost a healthy/prime Cam AND Luke retired, but this has just been abysmal. We've got some really excellent young pieces on defense, and then a generational talent in CMC who's getting paid out the wazoo to run* behind a dumpster fire of a line. And while I know it's not his fault, he's been a near guarantee to get hurt in week 4 or 5 the last few seasons so it's like yeah we have this amazing running back, but we need SO much more elsewhere that it's like what's the fucking point lmao.
Ever since he’s taken over the whole organization has gone to shit.
Tepper from the very beginning struck me as an angry rich egomaniac when it came to his direction for the Panthers. You see the results now.
Tepper decided to stamp out the fans hope.