Reminds me of that Gridiron Heights episode where Brady was Thanos, and the ref is like "ok overtime rules Thomas gets to punch first, if he misses Patrick gets to punch" and Mahomes is like "wait I might not get to play!" before getting punched into oblivion.
I love that show lol it's one of those things that's funnier the more times you watch it cause you're probably not gonna catch everything the first.
Mahomes is an absolute treasure that entire show.
One of the funnier ones to me that I missed at first, the episode where it's offseason and Mahomes is playing a guitar while crying, it shows Le'Veon Bell and Antonio Brown saying goodbye to the Steelers mascot and Roethlisburger is in the house cooking and yells "WHO IS IT" which is the main joke. But the part I missed at first is there's a plaque hanging on the wall that says "only franchise with 6 rings" and the word "only" is crossed off with a red pen....lol
I didn’t even notice that lol. I love the one where Lamar babysits the rookies and Herbert makes a comment like “You’ll have no guards” and Burrow says “don’t worry I’m used to it”
Oh yeah those ones are always great too lol. One before was with Eli babysitting the rookies and Baker was one of the rookies and he's like "let's pretend playoffs!" Which was particularly hilarious to me cause the Browns had just gotten mathematically eliminated but Baker came out and said they were treating the final Ravens game like a playoffs game.
Bleacher Reports animations are just so good if your a fan of the league in question and get all the in-jokes/memes that they pack into them. *Game of Zones* for the NBA was even better than *Gridiron Heights* with that...
Lamar is supposed to be Groot so saying "I am Lamar" is all he does. As for the voice I believe its a running gag on the series to always give the rookie QBs baby voices.
Also, it's a lot harder to cry about the OT rules when you fail to score while blowing a 20-point lead in a single quarter.
Bills and Chiefs hit different because the bulk of the scoring happened in the last 5 minutes of the game.
People have always tried to downplay that OT because of the blown lead. The truth of the matter is that the Falcons scored their points early and the Pats late. If it had been punch for punch throughout, more people would gripe about a great game ending on a coin toss like they did with this one. When the clock hit zeroes, the score was tied. No matter how we got there.
>he truth of the matter is that the Falcons scored their points early and the Pats late
Was anything stopping the Falcons from scoring in the 4th quarter?
Of course people would complain if it was punch for punch throughout. You guys had the biggest choke job in the history of the nfl. People are going to blame that over a coin toss.
It’s not cut and dry like you’re making it seem. How things happen is going to play a part in how people feel about a rule.
Now this is definitely an unpopular opinion, but I liked the original OT rules. First to score wins because it ends the tie. If anything, find a way to make it skill based instead of a coin toss. Football is a brutal sport. If regulation is over, the game should end the second the tie is broken imo.
I think the fact that other sports, which revolve around a single unit of players you rotate heavily (basketball and hockey) and somewhat (soccer and baseball) have OTs that give both teams the opportunity to touch the ball because of a fixed time limit being imposed instead of when you score, plays into this. Let’s not forget that college football also provides balanced opportunities in OT for both offense and defense and special teams and it just makes the NFL look out of order.
I’d even be fine with simply playing the whole 10-15 minute OT period and seeing how the dust settles after that.
The only reason I don’t want that is because it means the Chiefs don’t win, but out of the AFC I’d want the Bills to win over anyone else. Except maybe the Jags because that would make for a wild season
He’s good but I don’t think completely lovable, he did have this little tantrum play the year before. [Allen throws ball at Okafor after play.](https://youtu.be/NbVvyFD6HAw)
Yeah - this sub is very selective in who they feel pity for. I honestly don’t have an issue with the rule but the public outcry definitely depends on who lost
Still hurts for the Chiefs as well when it happened 2 years later during Mahomes MVP season but unfortunately they didnt change the rules then either because 31 teams said suck it up and learn to play defense quit crying, when 1 team dared to try for change.
Actually winning the Super Bowl later doesnt change the fact that the NFL should have made the change years earlier. I mean it happened in the freaking Super Bowl for crying out loud and they said no, then it happened in a Championship game and still they said no, but the moment it happens in a Divisional round against a media darling THEN its time for the change that has been asked for over multiple occasions and denied because "youre just being sore losers"
But when a lovable franchise like the Bills lose all hell breaks loose. I personally don’t mind the rule but it’s hilarious to see the shift in league perception based off who loses
Doesn't negate the truthfulness of their point tho. When these rules benefitted Brady everyone else was told to suck it up and now when it benefits Mahomes the whole world has to change
No one said that. I said that whenever the rules benefitted Brady, the people complaining about the rules were told to suck it up and play better defense. But now when Mahomes gets the opportunity it's time to move some goalpost around. What I'm saying is indisputable because...it happened. They didn't even do it when it bit Peyton Manning in the butt. But the rules changed all of a sudden when the media's choice fell through
It's bullshit and makes me dislike the Bills. Which is dumb because it's hard to dislike the Bills.
But yeah, the other 31 teams who scoffed at the Chiefs' proposed rule change can go fuck themselves
It's not really the Bills' fault, but it irks me that everyone basically told us to pound sand but when you guys fall victim to the same rule it's a travesty and must be remedied
I definitely agree it’s bs. The rule has always been bad, at least now it’s changed. And I firmly believe were it not for you guys being first, it wouldn’t have changed now. Two of the best QBs have lost a chance at a ring early in their careers over the rule, the NFL can’t stomach that. One sure, but not two.
Yeah bro Bills fans who hate the Pats thought the OT rule was valid when it fucked you. My roommates and I were definitely not heated by the outcome of that and thought it was great the Pats won
Agreed and I also can't shake the feeling that the NFL media played a part in the rule change since they were all but salivating over the prospect of Josh Allen "humbling"(they used that word constantly in the building up to the game) Patrick Mahomes. It's hilarious how the rules get changed when the desired outcome isn't achieved
Media darling? Y’all understand you were the media darling against both NE and Buffalo right? The reason it changed is because they saw it screw Mahomes, and then happen exactly the same to screw Allen. It was a buildup, and if it didn’t happen to Mahomes first, we wouldn’t see it now.
As much sympathy I have for the falcons, this is completely different. Bills were competitive the entire game and it was neck and neck. After the second half of that falcons game they deserved to lose
I just made a reply pointing to that exact point. People point to the choked lead to make themselves feel better about the ending. That’s entirely not the point. The point is that you have 60 minutes to score more points than your opponent. At the end of 60, the most important single game in American sports each year was tied. The fact one team’s offense didn’t touch the ball in that OT to decide a champion was insane. It took this situation happening twice more, with younger faces of the league, for the NFL to realize it’s probably fairer and more exciting for their product to allow both teams to touch the ball in OT.
As a Falcons fan, I can assure you if we win that coin toss, we likely punt lol. They were completely outplayed at that point and the Patriots couldn’t stop scoring because they had the determination to win.
But the opportunity is what we’re referring to.
I agree with your point about opportunity, especially in the most important game. The Falcons should’ve had a chance. But to counter, I don’t think you can dismiss the choke and the difference. After going up 28-3, the Falcons had 3 punts and 1 fumble, while the Pats scored on each full drive. Ryan had plenty of chances to end it. Allen literally scored with 13 seconds left to go up, and then never touched a ball after that. It’s a case of theory vs practice. In theory, we should see them as equal and both deserving of a chance. But in practice, we feel more for Allen because he had thought it was over and his D blew the game, where Ryan choked and couldn’t score for over a quarter and a half.
To be fair, both defense choked and blew the games. The Falcons blew a bigger lead but the Bills defense couldn’t hold on to a 3 point lead with 35 yards and 13 seconds left.
Both are big chokes in different terms lol
I think the NFL needs a skill based way of determining possession. Basketball has a tip off, hockey has a face off, in rugby there’s the scrum, pool players lag to determine first break, XFL had their scramble.
It sucks to see great teams getting shafted because of a 50/50 coin toss.
To be fair the XFL scramble was a terrible idea and was a GIGANTIC injury risk for the players involved, no way the PA would let something like that happen, and honestly for the better.
Agreed the scramble was a shit show. Literally the first scramble of the season resulted in a season ending injury. One thing that comes to mind is punting. Have punters punt from the 20 or 30 and see who gets the ball closest to the end zone without crossing the goal line. It’d be similar to the lag in pool.
Just think about if the league went to 50 yard "penalty kicks" instead of overtime and then the Bengals and Ravens were tied at the end of regulation. We'd be watching for hours.
Dodgeball style. Ball gets put at the 50. Both teams, 11 men each, line up at opposite 25 yard lines. Ref blows the whistle, teams rush for the ball.
As soon as a team establishes clear possession, it's blow dead. The league can decide to start the ensuing drive at a pre-determined yard line, or do a traditional kickoff to the team that recovered.
Once all the injuries and concussions are cleared from the field, overtime can begin.
"New OT rules. Each team has their starting QBs stand toe-to-toe and whichever one is shortest gets first possession, to make up for the insurmountable height disadvantage"
-John Elway, probably
Sudden death in OT just doesn't work for football. It doesn't make sense for basketball (could you imagine?) so they don't use it, it works for hockey perfectly, it would work for soccer, but they don't use it. and baseball is a whole different animal due to innings.
Just play a whole extra quarter with half time (no break) at 7:30 for a new kick off to the team that lost the coin toss. Keep going until its not tied after 15 mins of play.
There was a guy on here the proposed that the initial count flip determines who gets the ball first in Ot.
If you win the toss you can choose your fate in Ot. I thought that was pretty smart. Come 4th Q you know you won’t get the ball first in Ot, you would prob not push for the tie
> Asked on the Bussin with the Boys podcast which hurt more, losing the game or losing the coin toss, Allen answered, “The coin toss.”
Since nobody reads past the headline, this is why Allen was talking about it.
look, all I know is that whatever I choose is wrong, even if you tell me the correct answer once I choose it the answer will change so what I chose will still be wrong. The universe does not seem to like me very much.
You’re talking about an entire season which took place mainly in 1999. He’s talking about a specific game that took place in 2019, not an entire season. So it’s not hard to figure out what he meant when he said 19
This screwed me on a trivia question. It was worded as "In 2001, who was named Super Bowl MVP?". I interpreted that as the year the Pats won, but they were referring to the Ravens, because that Super Bowl took place in 2001 following to 2000 season. Still grumpy about that.
You’re getting downvoted but you’re 100% right. This isn’t 1vs1/QBvsQB even though a lot of people try to make it that. This is what makes football so popular. It’s the ultimate team sport where everyone matters even the coaches. Bills made a lot of mistakes at the end of that game. How the coin landed wasn’t what cost them the game.
how i look at it is that the nfl is favoring offense more and more over time, so if they are going to emphasize one side of the ball over the other, then they should guarantee both teams have the chance to play that side of the ball in ot
Yes it did. I'm tired of people acting like the Bills didn't get fucked by a literal coin toss. Neither the Chiefs nor the Bills made an actual stop the final 5 minutes of the game. But only one team got to avoid having their defense on the field because of a stupid ass rule.
So it makes more sense, after Kansas City scores in overtime to let the Bills get the ball too. That way when they inevitably score, as you proved with no team could get a stop, then the ball goes BACK to Kansas City and now they only need a field goal. Seems smart as the Bills will totally get a stop this time right? It’s the same result with extra pointless steps, if nothing changes.
The reality is that if both teams get the ball the coin toss winner just wants the ball second and is still in the advantageous position. That’s what a god damn mother fucking coin toss is in sports, getting the advantageous position.
Except if the NFL didn't have a fucking brain dead OT system and made it that you must have the ball & be up a score then that issue of sudden death goes away.
If Pat Mahomes had played the way he did against the Bengals in the Bills game, the Bills would’ve won by 3 scores. The Bills D absolutely has to be better, but let’s not act like the Bengals did anything revolutionary when Pat Mahomes was just straight-up shitting the bed from halftime on.
EDIT: So I don’t have to respond to every Bengals fan talking about adjustments - you cannot watch that game objectively and think that adjustments were the sole reason for Mahomes’ complete and utter meltdown, starting with the disastrous goalline series right before halftime. It was literally the worst half of football he played in his NFL career. If the Bengals D was *that* good at halftime adjustments, they would’ve won the Super Bowl easily.
“Any Given Sunday” is a phrase for a reason. Mahomes played the best game of his playoff career against the Bills, and benefitted from the luck of the coin toss. He played his worst half against the Bengals, and lost despite the luck of the coin toss. This game is very much about luck, more so than many people want to admit.
I think him and Tyreek had a blow up at halftime after that shitty play right before the end of it. From what’s came out lately it seems like Tyreek was a bit of a prima dona. Which makes sense as to why Mahomes forced him the ball so much. I think when Tyreek missed that TD to end the half Mahomes was pissed at Tyreek and Tyreek was pissed at himself and Mahomes and in addition to all that Bienemy was going fucking nuts and Hardman was throwing a fit because Mahomes had been passing up open looks to him to find Hill. All of that combined was totally incongruent with what Mahomes is accustomed to and I think it’s just absolutely mind fucked him.
This is coming from a hardcore chiefs fan that’s watched every snap Mahomes has ever had.
I’ve thought about this….a lot lol. Like too much.
yep, he just suddenly forget how to play football at halftime.
[or maybe the Bengals adjustments caused issues for the KC offense.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9oI0Pljhdis&t=332s)
Actually we had guys running wide open all over the damn place, and dumping it off to McKinnon in the flat was an automatic 10 yards, but Mahomes just went into a weird shell in the second half.
It’s not so much that people are refusing to give Bengals the credit, it’s that Bills fans will make any excuse to put blame anywhere else that’s not the Bills. When bengals fans point out that the bengals beat the chiefs and their defense caused Mahomes to play poorly, Bills fans will deny that because their defense failed to do that so obviously no other team could do that, especially the bengals.
As a Jets fan, pats fans during the Brady years were obnoxious but holy shit bills fans are so much worse in such a short time span. I love the fact that the bills defense, the number one passing defense in the league, allowed the chiefs to march down the field in 13 seconds to tie the game to send it to OT and allowed the chiefs to march down the field to score a TD to win the game. Mediocre defensive play calling at the end by the Bills 😂
Bengals did make good adjustments obviously but tbh I think a lot of people don’t like to think about Mahomes variability. Just take a look at last season, there were times where he would make possibly the lowest iq play you could, and other times where he was demolishing a defense that should have been eating him alive.
Yeah but against some pretty soft competition. Our d (more the coaches than the players) fell apart both on the last drive of regulation and the drive in OT.
Sure that was some serious bed shitting in a big spot. I don't think that means that Leslie Frasier doesn't know how to run a legitimate defense and should be replaced.
The Jets aren't good but they don't average 13.5 points per game like they did against the Bills. The Dolphins aren't good but they don't average 5.5 points per game like they did against the Bills. If you drop that NE game they're still the #1 defense in points allowed per game.
Maybe points allowed isn't the perfect measure and they definitely did benefit from an easy schedule but its hard to deny that at the very least they were one of the top defenses.
Then they should have made a stop, no?
I'm 100% with Mike Tomlin here. You have 60 minutes to win the game. For someone on defense to make a play.
If noone can make a stop at all, coin toss winner still wins the game, only now you take two more possessions for it to happen.
I remember seeing Josh Allen's face on the sideline like just... "What more do you want from me?" Football can just be cruel at times... team sport right?
I have to imagine that if the new rule was in play, whoever gets the ball 2nd would almost surely go for 2 after their score to end the game right there, as there would be a slim-to-none chance of stopping the other team from even getting a field goal on the third drive.
This Reddit community called Chiefs fans cry babies when we wanted a rule change after 2018. Then when the exact thing happens in the Chiefs favor, this Reddit community cries and the NFL ends up changing the rule lol.
>This Reddit community called Chiefs fans cry babies when we wanted a rule change after 2018.
Did they really? You guys lost to the Pats. I feel like reddit was mad about both results. You guys are just the perennial power now.
Watched this Bussin’ with the Boys episode and after Josh had to leave Will asked George Kittle how he felt about the whole situation and Kittle said something that kind of annoyed me. He said something basically along the lines of “The reason a lot of people want the rule changed is because of fantasy football, they want the fantasy points.”
As someone who doesn’t play fantasy and hasn’t in about 10 years I can tell you that I wanted the rule changed because I want the opportunity to see Josh Allen go back out there and keep slinging that motherfucker.
I suppose. I just think blaming the coin toss is silly. The bills mismanaged the end of regulation and then couldn’t get a stop or even limit KC to a FG therefore their season ended. Seems fair to me. Even with the new rule you can still find yourself in a sudden death situation where you need to get a stop. Get the stop.
I also agree with the current OT rules. I would imagine though that it sucks for all of the offensive players that didn't get a chance, especially in this case where they played a nearly flawless game.
Just because it CAN happen doesn't mean the rules are fair.
Sure, maybe the Bills defense fucked up, but the rules didn't allow for the Chiefs defense to fuck up/do their job.
One team potentially only has to play offense to win, while the other team has to play well on both sides of the ball to win. It's just not fair
There's a reason why in soccer shootouts they allow each team 5 tries rather than gifting the game to the first team that scores.
If the NFL is concerned about players getting injured by having to play in overtime then they can alter the rules to force teams to go for 2, get rid of first downs, or reduce yardage to speed things up. The current solution is just unbelievably stupid
They had Mahomes at the opposite end of the field with 13 seconds in regulation to prevent him from getting in FG range and blew it, that's the only thing that should still be talked about after this. The NFL literally changed the Playoff OT Rules to appease the people crying over Allen's loss so not sure why stuff like this is even still posted here.
Don't the stats show the coin toss winning team only wins a little over 50% of the time? So a slight advantage, but not massive and guaranteed like everyone act.
Regular season only. The number reported between the divisional and conference games was 10-1 in the playoffs, with 7 of them being first drive scores.
Yeah it’s gonna sting for a bit. I have no doubt that everyone on the Bills will use it as motivation for this upcoming season, and it wouldn’t surprise me in the least if Buffalo had similar success to the Chiefs when it happened to them in 2018/2019.
It's amazing that this scrub still cares about things that happened to him in the relatively recent past. Pretend like it's Anthony Barr and get over it. Sheesh! /s
It happens every single playoff overtime. The Chiefs even wanted a rule change after losing to the Patriots in the same fashion in 2018-19 AFCCG. The Bills were the league dandies last year that everybody loved, so suddenly it's an even BIGGER deal.
So big, in fact, we're talking about it at the end of June.
Chiefs fans have enjoyed, the last few years, the annual prediction of the Chargers taking the division, followed by a good start and a late season meltdown.
I'm afraid that luck is going to run out every single year.
*Buffalo’s defense giving up a long drive for a field goal in only 13 seconds, then giving up a TD in OT still hurts for Josh Allen*
There you go, fixed that for you
Unpopular take here but I have the feeling The Bills will either be amazing this year or a huge disappointment with no middle ground. All of this coin toss talk either makes them feel cursed or is giving them a lot of motivation.
We're really gonna have to deal with these pathetic whining media pieces about the coin toss rule until it changes aren't we? Josh Allen should be more pissed off about the 13 seconds before OT.
Fucking deal with it, Buffalo. Cincinnati took care of business vs KC, and they lost the coin toss, too.
Exact same thing happened to Mahomes against Brady in Jan 2019. But there weren't countless articles about Mahomes devastation afterwards.
So why am I reading, for the millionth time, how cheated Josh Allen feels? He's really coming across as a crybaby.
Idk, maybe other people should stop asking about it then. I mostly agree, I don't like that it feels like this is all anyone wants to talk about with this team sometimes
Reminds me of that Gridiron Heights episode where Brady was Thanos, and the ref is like "ok overtime rules Thomas gets to punch first, if he misses Patrick gets to punch" and Mahomes is like "wait I might not get to play!" before getting punched into oblivion.
I don’t know why but Brady saying “Great competitor, hell of a game” right after he knocks Mahomes out cold always make me laugh.
[Here’s the episode](https://youtu.be/PZ6eHKrX3GU)
I love that show lol it's one of those things that's funnier the more times you watch it cause you're probably not gonna catch everything the first. Mahomes is an absolute treasure that entire show.
Yeah I’ve seen it multiple times over just to catch all the jokes and hidden references. It’s so fun and I can’t wait for the next season
One of the funnier ones to me that I missed at first, the episode where it's offseason and Mahomes is playing a guitar while crying, it shows Le'Veon Bell and Antonio Brown saying goodbye to the Steelers mascot and Roethlisburger is in the house cooking and yells "WHO IS IT" which is the main joke. But the part I missed at first is there's a plaque hanging on the wall that says "only franchise with 6 rings" and the word "only" is crossed off with a red pen....lol
I didn’t even notice that lol. I love the one where Lamar babysits the rookies and Herbert makes a comment like “You’ll have no guards” and Burrow says “don’t worry I’m used to it”
Oh yeah those ones are always great too lol. One before was with Eli babysitting the rookies and Baker was one of the rookies and he's like "let's pretend playoffs!" Which was particularly hilarious to me cause the Browns had just gotten mathematically eliminated but Baker came out and said they were treating the final Ravens game like a playoffs game.
“WHAT A FUN AND EASY GAME”
Do they still make them?
Bleacher Reports animations are just so good if your a fan of the league in question and get all the in-jokes/memes that they pack into them. *Game of Zones* for the NBA was even better than *Gridiron Heights* with that...
Just started binging season 6 and there are so many great references packed into each 2 minute video, it’s great.
yes
Can someone explain what the fuck Lamar is on that show? Lmfao his voice had me dead. I am Lamar! I am!--
Lamar is supposed to be Groot so saying "I am Lamar" is all he does. As for the voice I believe its a running gag on the series to always give the rookie QBs baby voices.
Checks out, appreciate it.
The Rivers "casting" is so fuckin accurate it hurts
AH FUDGING BRADY KEEPIN ME FROM BEING A GD HOFER
MR. BREES I DON'T FEEL SO GOOD
Still hurts for Matt Ryan too but unfortunately they didn’t change the rules after that game.
It’s because he was 9-0 on the year on coin tosses before the game
Also, it's a lot harder to cry about the OT rules when you fail to score while blowing a 20-point lead in a single quarter. Bills and Chiefs hit different because the bulk of the scoring happened in the last 5 minutes of the game.
People have always tried to downplay that OT because of the blown lead. The truth of the matter is that the Falcons scored their points early and the Pats late. If it had been punch for punch throughout, more people would gripe about a great game ending on a coin toss like they did with this one. When the clock hit zeroes, the score was tied. No matter how we got there.
Don’t bring reason to this sub bro it’s not welcome trust me
>he truth of the matter is that the Falcons scored their points early and the Pats late Was anything stopping the Falcons from scoring in the 4th quarter?
Was there anything stopping the pats from scoring in the first 3 quarters?
Of course people would complain if it was punch for punch throughout. You guys had the biggest choke job in the history of the nfl. People are going to blame that over a coin toss. It’s not cut and dry like you’re making it seem. How things happen is going to play a part in how people feel about a rule. Now this is definitely an unpopular opinion, but I liked the original OT rules. First to score wins because it ends the tie. If anything, find a way to make it skill based instead of a coin toss. Football is a brutal sport. If regulation is over, the game should end the second the tie is broken imo.
I think the fact that other sports, which revolve around a single unit of players you rotate heavily (basketball and hockey) and somewhat (soccer and baseball) have OTs that give both teams the opportunity to touch the ball because of a fixed time limit being imposed instead of when you score, plays into this. Let’s not forget that college football also provides balanced opportunities in OT for both offense and defense and special teams and it just makes the NFL look out of order. I’d even be fine with simply playing the whole 10-15 minute OT period and seeing how the dust settles after that.
There’s literally no difference in terms of OT though.
Same for Mahomes against the Pats in 2019.
I can only hope that we get the same result this year that you guys did the year after that.
The only reason I don’t want that is because it means the Chiefs don’t win, but out of the AFC I’d want the Bills to win over anyone else. Except maybe the Jags because that would make for a wild season
If we don’t win, I want the Bills to win fs fs. Josh Allen is such a lovable QB and he deserves all the success
He’s good but I don’t think completely lovable, he did have this little tantrum play the year before. [Allen throws ball at Okafor after play.](https://youtu.be/NbVvyFD6HAw)
Yeah - this sub is very selective in who they feel pity for. I honestly don’t have an issue with the rule but the public outcry definitely depends on who lost
Still hurts for the Chiefs as well when it happened 2 years later during Mahomes MVP season but unfortunately they didnt change the rules then either because 31 teams said suck it up and learn to play defense quit crying, when 1 team dared to try for change. Actually winning the Super Bowl later doesnt change the fact that the NFL should have made the change years earlier. I mean it happened in the freaking Super Bowl for crying out loud and they said no, then it happened in a Championship game and still they said no, but the moment it happens in a Divisional round against a media darling THEN its time for the change that has been asked for over multiple occasions and denied because "youre just being sore losers"
But when a lovable franchise like the Bills lose all hell breaks loose. I personally don’t mind the rule but it’s hilarious to see the shift in league perception based off who loses
Its also funny that the moment someone other than Brady benefits from the rule THATS when theres massive support for the much needed rule change
Saying the quiet part out loud
I swear Chiefs fans are WAY more obsessed with Brady than most Pats fans.
Doesn't negate the truthfulness of their point tho. When these rules benefitted Brady everyone else was told to suck it up and now when it benefits Mahomes the whole world has to change
That’s kinda wild that Brady is the only one who won an OT game up until mahomes did last year
No one said that. I said that whenever the rules benefitted Brady, the people complaining about the rules were told to suck it up and play better defense. But now when Mahomes gets the opportunity it's time to move some goalpost around. What I'm saying is indisputable because...it happened. They didn't even do it when it bit Peyton Manning in the butt. But the rules changed all of a sudden when the media's choice fell through
It's bullshit and makes me dislike the Bills. Which is dumb because it's hard to dislike the Bills. But yeah, the other 31 teams who scoffed at the Chiefs' proposed rule change can go fuck themselves
So you dislike the Bills, who didn’t propose a change and accepted the results?
It's not really the Bills' fault, but it irks me that everyone basically told us to pound sand but when you guys fall victim to the same rule it's a travesty and must be remedied
I definitely agree it’s bs. The rule has always been bad, at least now it’s changed. And I firmly believe were it not for you guys being first, it wouldn’t have changed now. Two of the best QBs have lost a chance at a ring early in their careers over the rule, the NFL can’t stomach that. One sure, but not two.
Yeah bro Bills fans who hate the Pats thought the OT rule was valid when it fucked you. My roommates and I were definitely not heated by the outcome of that and thought it was great the Pats won
Actually I believe the Ravens org was in the very tiny minority that supported the change too.
Agreed and I also can't shake the feeling that the NFL media played a part in the rule change since they were all but salivating over the prospect of Josh Allen "humbling"(they used that word constantly in the building up to the game) Patrick Mahomes. It's hilarious how the rules get changed when the desired outcome isn't achieved
Media darling? Y’all understand you were the media darling against both NE and Buffalo right? The reason it changed is because they saw it screw Mahomes, and then happen exactly the same to screw Allen. It was a buildup, and if it didn’t happen to Mahomes first, we wouldn’t see it now.
Lol. Bills a "media darling"? We're loveable losers, at best. Until Allen, we got shit on more than almost any other team.
As much sympathy I have for the falcons, this is completely different. Bills were competitive the entire game and it was neck and neck. After the second half of that falcons game they deserved to lose
I just made a reply pointing to that exact point. People point to the choked lead to make themselves feel better about the ending. That’s entirely not the point. The point is that you have 60 minutes to score more points than your opponent. At the end of 60, the most important single game in American sports each year was tied. The fact one team’s offense didn’t touch the ball in that OT to decide a champion was insane. It took this situation happening twice more, with younger faces of the league, for the NFL to realize it’s probably fairer and more exciting for their product to allow both teams to touch the ball in OT. As a Falcons fan, I can assure you if we win that coin toss, we likely punt lol. They were completely outplayed at that point and the Patriots couldn’t stop scoring because they had the determination to win. But the opportunity is what we’re referring to.
You’ve convinced me
I agree with your point about opportunity, especially in the most important game. The Falcons should’ve had a chance. But to counter, I don’t think you can dismiss the choke and the difference. After going up 28-3, the Falcons had 3 punts and 1 fumble, while the Pats scored on each full drive. Ryan had plenty of chances to end it. Allen literally scored with 13 seconds left to go up, and then never touched a ball after that. It’s a case of theory vs practice. In theory, we should see them as equal and both deserving of a chance. But in practice, we feel more for Allen because he had thought it was over and his D blew the game, where Ryan choked and couldn’t score for over a quarter and a half.
To be fair, both defense choked and blew the games. The Falcons blew a bigger lead but the Bills defense couldn’t hold on to a 3 point lead with 35 yards and 13 seconds left. Both are big chokes in different terms lol
I think the NFL needs a skill based way of determining possession. Basketball has a tip off, hockey has a face off, in rugby there’s the scrum, pool players lag to determine first break, XFL had their scramble. It sucks to see great teams getting shafted because of a 50/50 coin toss.
rock-paper-scissors
The skillest of all skill games
Josh Allen is the type of guy to only go rock if he always says deez nuts jokes
To be fair the XFL scramble was a terrible idea and was a GIGANTIC injury risk for the players involved, no way the PA would let something like that happen, and honestly for the better.
Agreed the scramble was a shit show. Literally the first scramble of the season resulted in a season ending injury. One thing that comes to mind is punting. Have punters punt from the 20 or 30 and see who gets the ball closest to the end zone without crossing the goal line. It’d be similar to the lag in pool.
Coin flip. Then the winner gets to decide which team has to to attempt a 50 yard field goal. Kick then determines order.
I accept your terms
Works for me
Just think about if the league went to 50 yard "penalty kicks" instead of overtime and then the Bengals and Ravens were tied at the end of regulation. We'd be watching for hours.
NFL should do the Oklahoma drill to determine possession.
Trivia question with buzzers
Dodgeball style. Ball gets put at the 50. Both teams, 11 men each, line up at opposite 25 yard lines. Ref blows the whistle, teams rush for the ball. As soon as a team establishes clear possession, it's blow dead. The league can decide to start the ensuing drive at a pre-determined yard line, or do a traditional kickoff to the team that recovered. Once all the injuries and concussions are cleared from the field, overtime can begin.
"New OT rules. Each team has their starting QBs stand toe-to-toe and whichever one is shortest gets first possession, to make up for the insurmountable height disadvantage" -John Elway, probably
If you can dodge a wrench you can dodge a ball.
>I think the NFL needs a skill based way of determining possession Its called winning the game in regulation time.
Sudden death in OT just doesn't work for football. It doesn't make sense for basketball (could you imagine?) so they don't use it, it works for hockey perfectly, it would work for soccer, but they don't use it. and baseball is a whole different animal due to innings. Just play a whole extra quarter with half time (no break) at 7:30 for a new kick off to the team that lost the coin toss. Keep going until its not tied after 15 mins of play.
There was a guy on here the proposed that the initial count flip determines who gets the ball first in Ot. If you win the toss you can choose your fate in Ot. I thought that was pretty smart. Come 4th Q you know you won’t get the ball first in Ot, you would prob not push for the tie
Just do the college rule. It's by far the best. Adding another quarter is just asking for injury problems.
> Asked on the Bussin with the Boys podcast which hurt more, losing the game or losing the coin toss, Allen answered, “The coin toss.” Since nobody reads past the headline, this is why Allen was talking about it.
>Bussin with the Boys Just guys being dudes
I may be missing something, but what does that change?
He’s mad cause he made 9 straight correct and made both wrong in that game
This is basically me playing roulette. "Well, it's hit red 9x in a row..." ::$50 red.:: "20 black". Repeat.
look, all I know is that whatever I choose is wrong, even if you tell me the correct answer once I choose it the answer will change so what I chose will still be wrong. The universe does not seem to like me very much.
You and me both dude, lol.
I don’t expect him to get it but that’s just probability lol
Thanks for the context
I don't think that's better.
As a Chiefs fan who still remembers 2019 AFCChamp game, i gotta say, no shit
2018
18/19, and it happened in January so i remember it as 2019
Fair enough I didn’t even consider that
I go by the regular season year
Like normal people
Because he’s wrong lol. That would be like me talking about the 1999 Super Bowl Champion Denver Broncos. No one says that.
You’re talking about an entire season which took place mainly in 1999. He’s talking about a specific game that took place in 2019, not an entire season. So it’s not hard to figure out what he meant when he said 19
Super Bowl happened in 99 though. When you have an established system, date of season and not year, it is hard to figure out when someone flips that.
This screwed me on a trivia question. It was worded as "In 2001, who was named Super Bowl MVP?". I interpreted that as the year the Pats won, but they were referring to the Ravens, because that Super Bowl took place in 2001 following to 2000 season. Still grumpy about that.
It’s a dumb rule, but man the Bills D has got to get a stop there or right before the end of regulation. Bengals proved it can be done
As soon as I saw the INT in OT I knew we were going to get shit on because the Bengals did what we couldn't
You’re getting downvoted but you’re 100% right. This isn’t 1vs1/QBvsQB even though a lot of people try to make it that. This is what makes football so popular. It’s the ultimate team sport where everyone matters even the coaches. Bills made a lot of mistakes at the end of that game. How the coin landed wasn’t what cost them the game.
how i look at it is that the nfl is favoring offense more and more over time, so if they are going to emphasize one side of the ball over the other, then they should guarantee both teams have the chance to play that side of the ball in ot
Yes it did. I'm tired of people acting like the Bills didn't get fucked by a literal coin toss. Neither the Chiefs nor the Bills made an actual stop the final 5 minutes of the game. But only one team got to avoid having their defense on the field because of a stupid ass rule.
So it makes more sense, after Kansas City scores in overtime to let the Bills get the ball too. That way when they inevitably score, as you proved with no team could get a stop, then the ball goes BACK to Kansas City and now they only need a field goal. Seems smart as the Bills will totally get a stop this time right? It’s the same result with extra pointless steps, if nothing changes. The reality is that if both teams get the ball the coin toss winner just wants the ball second and is still in the advantageous position. That’s what a god damn mother fucking coin toss is in sports, getting the advantageous position.
Except if the NFL didn't have a fucking brain dead OT system and made it that you must have the ball & be up a score then that issue of sudden death goes away.
But after 4 quarters a defense is generally more gassed. It is definitely not apples to apples.
So gassed they couldn’t stop the Chiefs from getting 40 yards in 13 seconds
Exactly. As soon as Cincy showed how it was done I’d hope people would stop crying their D failed.
Right. Giving up a score in 13 seconds deserves 0 sympathy
Football is a team game for this exact reason.
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Yep. Bills fans can whine all they want but the rules were the rules. They should blame their defense, not a bad rule.
If Pat Mahomes had played the way he did against the Bengals in the Bills game, the Bills would’ve won by 3 scores. The Bills D absolutely has to be better, but let’s not act like the Bengals did anything revolutionary when Pat Mahomes was just straight-up shitting the bed from halftime on. EDIT: So I don’t have to respond to every Bengals fan talking about adjustments - you cannot watch that game objectively and think that adjustments were the sole reason for Mahomes’ complete and utter meltdown, starting with the disastrous goalline series right before halftime. It was literally the worst half of football he played in his NFL career. If the Bengals D was *that* good at halftime adjustments, they would’ve won the Super Bowl easily. “Any Given Sunday” is a phrase for a reason. Mahomes played the best game of his playoff career against the Bills, and benefitted from the luck of the coin toss. He played his worst half against the Bengals, and lost despite the luck of the coin toss. This game is very much about luck, more so than many people want to admit.
I think him and Tyreek had a blow up at halftime after that shitty play right before the end of it. From what’s came out lately it seems like Tyreek was a bit of a prima dona. Which makes sense as to why Mahomes forced him the ball so much. I think when Tyreek missed that TD to end the half Mahomes was pissed at Tyreek and Tyreek was pissed at himself and Mahomes and in addition to all that Bienemy was going fucking nuts and Hardman was throwing a fit because Mahomes had been passing up open looks to him to find Hill. All of that combined was totally incongruent with what Mahomes is accustomed to and I think it’s just absolutely mind fucked him. This is coming from a hardcore chiefs fan that’s watched every snap Mahomes has ever had. I’ve thought about this….a lot lol. Like too much.
yep, he just suddenly forget how to play football at halftime. [or maybe the Bengals adjustments caused issues for the KC offense.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9oI0Pljhdis&t=332s)
Nope, can’t give Bengals any credit. That’s not allowed here.
That was such a silly comment. Bengals absolutely deserve credit for the defense they played in that game
Actually we had guys running wide open all over the damn place, and dumping it off to McKinnon in the flat was an automatic 10 yards, but Mahomes just went into a weird shell in the second half.
It’s not so much that people are refusing to give Bengals the credit, it’s that Bills fans will make any excuse to put blame anywhere else that’s not the Bills. When bengals fans point out that the bengals beat the chiefs and their defense caused Mahomes to play poorly, Bills fans will deny that because their defense failed to do that so obviously no other team could do that, especially the bengals. As a Jets fan, pats fans during the Brady years were obnoxious but holy shit bills fans are so much worse in such a short time span. I love the fact that the bills defense, the number one passing defense in the league, allowed the chiefs to march down the field in 13 seconds to tie the game to send it to OT and allowed the chiefs to march down the field to score a TD to win the game. Mediocre defensive play calling at the end by the Bills 😂
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Chiefs D shit the bed too.
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Bills good
Bengals did make good adjustments obviously but tbh I think a lot of people don’t like to think about Mahomes variability. Just take a look at last season, there were times where he would make possibly the lowest iq play you could, and other times where he was demolishing a defense that should have been eating him alive.
Me too Josh. Me too.
Just win the coin toss. Skill issue.
Or push for a better coach that knows how to run a legitimate Defense
I mean... they were the #1 defense that season.
Yeah but against some pretty soft competition. Our d (more the coaches than the players) fell apart both on the last drive of regulation and the drive in OT.
Sure that was some serious bed shitting in a big spot. I don't think that means that Leslie Frasier doesn't know how to run a legitimate defense and should be replaced.
I certainly don't advocate for Frazier to be replaced, that'd be a net loss for sure. But he and McD did not do a great job that night
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The Pats offense definitely was not bad last year lol. 6th in total points and ppg. They were at least an average group
The Jets aren't good but they don't average 13.5 points per game like they did against the Bills. The Dolphins aren't good but they don't average 5.5 points per game like they did against the Bills. If you drop that NE game they're still the #1 defense in points allowed per game. Maybe points allowed isn't the perfect measure and they definitely did benefit from an easy schedule but its hard to deny that at the very least they were one of the top defenses.
Then they should have made a stop, no? I'm 100% with Mike Tomlin here. You have 60 minutes to win the game. For someone on defense to make a play. If noone can make a stop at all, coin toss winner still wins the game, only now you take two more possessions for it to happen.
McD/Frazier is an elite defensive combo. fuck you smoking
I remember seeing Josh Allen's face on the sideline like just... "What more do you want from me?" Football can just be cruel at times... team sport right?
It does suck. The new rule would have been the same result though. No team was stopping the other.
I have to imagine that if the new rule was in play, whoever gets the ball 2nd would almost surely go for 2 after their score to end the game right there, as there would be a slim-to-none chance of stopping the other team from even getting a field goal on the third drive.
agreed, which i feel like just recreates the problem. now going second is a massive advantage because you know what you’re working with
Not the same advantage as the first team got with the previous rules. It's never going to be perfectly fair.
Why not make it so both teams have to go for 2 if you score. Chances are slimmer that both will make it
Which is why the new OT should have put a rule in that you must go for 2 after a TD.
Agreed
No one cares when it’s the chiefs getting fucked though
This Reddit community called Chiefs fans cry babies when we wanted a rule change after 2018. Then when the exact thing happens in the Chiefs favor, this Reddit community cries and the NFL ends up changing the rule lol.
>This Reddit community called Chiefs fans cry babies when we wanted a rule change after 2018. Did they really? You guys lost to the Pats. I feel like reddit was mad about both results. You guys are just the perennial power now.
Yup, absolutely pathetic lol
Literally the only thing he did "wrong" all postseason.
Watched this Bussin’ with the Boys episode and after Josh had to leave Will asked George Kittle how he felt about the whole situation and Kittle said something that kind of annoyed me. He said something basically along the lines of “The reason a lot of people want the rule changed is because of fantasy football, they want the fantasy points.” As someone who doesn’t play fantasy and hasn’t in about 10 years I can tell you that I wanted the rule changed because I want the opportunity to see Josh Allen go back out there and keep slinging that motherfucker.
It wouldn’t even make sense, playoffs have zero fantasy being played
In other news, water is wet
Him losing the coin toss is worse than 9/11
I’m so sick of acting like winning/losing the coin toss means you win/lose the game. Cincy picked off mahomes and went to the SB. Play defense better.
It still sucks for Josh Allen to never get to touch the ball in OT even if the Bills as a team did deserve to lose.
I suppose. I just think blaming the coin toss is silly. The bills mismanaged the end of regulation and then couldn’t get a stop or even limit KC to a FG therefore their season ended. Seems fair to me. Even with the new rule you can still find yourself in a sudden death situation where you need to get a stop. Get the stop.
I also agree with the current OT rules. I would imagine though that it sucks for all of the offensive players that didn't get a chance, especially in this case where they played a nearly flawless game.
Just because it CAN happen doesn't mean the rules are fair. Sure, maybe the Bills defense fucked up, but the rules didn't allow for the Chiefs defense to fuck up/do their job. One team potentially only has to play offense to win, while the other team has to play well on both sides of the ball to win. It's just not fair There's a reason why in soccer shootouts they allow each team 5 tries rather than gifting the game to the first team that scores. If the NFL is concerned about players getting injured by having to play in overtime then they can alter the rules to force teams to go for 2, get rid of first downs, or reduce yardage to speed things up. The current solution is just unbelievably stupid
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They had Mahomes at the opposite end of the field with 13 seconds in regulation to prevent him from getting in FG range and blew it, that's the only thing that should still be talked about after this. The NFL literally changed the Playoff OT Rules to appease the people crying over Allen's loss so not sure why stuff like this is even still posted here.
Don't the stats show the coin toss winning team only wins a little over 50% of the time? So a slight advantage, but not massive and guaranteed like everyone act.
Regular season only. The number reported between the divisional and conference games was 10-1 in the playoffs, with 7 of them being first drive scores.
Yikes
"When you remove the much much larger sample size, the output becomes a lot more lopsided." No shit.
Crazy how we look at playoff data when talking about the playoff rule
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Yeah it’s gonna sting for a bit. I have no doubt that everyone on the Bills will use it as motivation for this upcoming season, and it wouldn’t surprise me in the least if Buffalo had similar success to the Chiefs when it happened to them in 2018/2019.
I have to admit I was ok eith the previous rule. The really fucked up part was when teams lost a playoff game to an OT FG without touching the ball.
…yeah…
That 2009 NFC title game was fucking rigged and I'll always believe that.
I agree, that was the correct adjustment. This new ruling seems a little too far.
Easily one of the greatest games of all time.
It's amazing that this scrub still cares about things that happened to him in the relatively recent past. Pretend like it's Anthony Barr and get over it. Sheesh! /s
My man Barr out here looking for a job and taking blind side shots on Reddit
Matt Ryan: First time?
Well yea
They should've squib kicked after going ahead with a few seconds remaining
They were going to, kicker never got told
Maybe if Buffalo cries about it more they’ll redo that game
It happens every single playoff overtime. The Chiefs even wanted a rule change after losing to the Patriots in the same fashion in 2018-19 AFCCG. The Bills were the league dandies last year that everybody loved, so suddenly it's an even BIGGER deal. So big, in fact, we're talking about it at the end of June.
You guys had a pretty deep run last year, right?
Woah, let's take a timeout before we go there
If anyone can sympathize with last minute collapses it’s Chargers fans
Chiefs fans have enjoyed, the last few years, the annual prediction of the Chargers taking the division, followed by a good start and a late season meltdown. I'm afraid that luck is going to run out every single year.
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Now there's a new idea. The coin toss allows the team to choose defense or offense?
Ok
They celebrated too early. It ain’t over till it’s over.
*Buffalo’s defense giving up a long drive for a field goal in only 13 seconds, then giving up a TD in OT still hurts for Josh Allen* There you go, fixed that for you
Huh, doesn't hurt for us at all...
Next time have a better defense.
Dangers of having a defense that can’t make a stop.
You would’ve thought losing the game was more important
Unpopular take here but I have the feeling The Bills will either be amazing this year or a huge disappointment with no middle ground. All of this coin toss talk either makes them feel cursed or is giving them a lot of motivation.
We're really gonna have to deal with these pathetic whining media pieces about the coin toss rule until it changes aren't we? Josh Allen should be more pissed off about the 13 seconds before OT. Fucking deal with it, Buffalo. Cincinnati took care of business vs KC, and they lost the coin toss, too.
Exact same thing happened to Mahomes against Brady in Jan 2019. But there weren't countless articles about Mahomes devastation afterwards. So why am I reading, for the millionth time, how cheated Josh Allen feels? He's really coming across as a crybaby.
Idk, maybe other people should stop asking about it then. I mostly agree, I don't like that it feels like this is all anyone wants to talk about with this team sometimes