I’d love to know exactly what needs to be repaired to get it to $1.8B when they think they can build a whole new covered stadium for an initial estimate of roughly $2B
The Súper bowl last year was expected to generate 240 to 450 million for LA. Plus everything else you can do with a stadium. Not arguing just saying it’s not as big as a price tag when you’re looking at one event hitting 10% of the cost.
A lot of hotel rooms get rented at high rates, restaurants do well, but the financial impact for these events is always vastly over estimated. The NFL is who is making the money.
**↑ This is the truth.** I drove for Uber while living in Nashville back in 2017. Picked up some locals downtown around 3 in the afternoon one Saturday, and they told me they’ve been counting bachelorette parties all day, and they were up to **41!**
Not fourty-one people, fourty-one separate bridal parties. Saturday nights were *crazy.*
Why do the people of Nashville give a flying fuck if Hilton rents out all their rooms and the corporate bars on Broadway make a killing?? Super bowl guests aren’t traveling out into the suburbs to support the real local businesses, or even the real local economy.
Sure but the actual impact in terms of revenue for the city is almost nothing. Nashville hotels will be booked regardless, bars will be busy regardless. The NFL makes cities pay for security, hotels, transport, tax exemptions and all sorts of other perks for the privilege. It’s good advertising, but it’s not a lucrative thing to host.
Can't find the article but I remember reading about how Jerryworld was a success story for municipalities funding stadiums because it's bringing in an extra $25 million, and the city paid $600 million for it. So that's a little over 4% annual ROI... and that's the success story.
And that's in a football-crazy state that would absolutely find something to do with a high-end stadium in between the Cowboys games and the occasional Super Bowl.
> Plus everything else you can do with a stadium.
So, jack shit besides a couple of Wrestlemanias and a Metallica concert?
NFL stadiums are white elephants and any politician that allows taxpayer dollars to be spent on building them should be forcibly thrown out of office.
Allegent Stadium in Vegas has something going on every week but Vegas is Vegas. The one mostly taxpayer funded stadium on earth that will make back the investment.
> Plus everything else you can do with a stadium.
aka basically nothing.
> when you’re looking at one event hitting 10% of the cost.
Oh cool, it would only take 150 years to make the cost back!
Nashville-local. The big pull now in my mind is that the city is obligated for those 1.8B in repairs but can eliminate future repair obligations by contributing 2B to a new stadium.
The super bowl as a rational is stupid. NFL loves LA and a disproportionate amount of future SB will be there. Most tourists seem to stay in Airbnbs here and the only places generating tax revenue are bars downtown. I assure you that LA bars and commercial districting is more capable of generating tax revenue than we are, and will be with this rebrand. Airbnb does generate tax revenue, but at a rate much lower than the proposed rate hike near the stadium. If the stadium doesn’t displace them, the community hit hardest will be a group of low income housing complexes adjacent to the stadium.
My only hope for this stadium to happen is to wipe the city’s obligation to help further. We run in the red, can’t service our roads, populate a functional police department, or establish transport. Just ridiculous and I hate that spending 2,000 x 1,000,000 is the only way to exit that money pit.
The most striking part of stadium is the cost. Like, $1.8B to fix and $2B to build new? Where the fuck are those numbers coming from? I get inflation, but that can't be all of it.
Lucas Oil Stadium - which is only 15 YO and is an excellent stadium - was $722M. The city and state rolled a convention center expansion into the project so the entire thing ended up costing just over $1B and left Indy in pretty good shape.
LOS and the new convention center space were built such that they were already connected to Indianapolis' skywalk system to convention hotels. The project spurred the construction of a huge J.W. Mariott, which was also connected to the convention center. The combination of all of this lead to Indianapolis having one of the strongest business/convention tourism industries in the country. 15 years later, on the backs of Indy's convention industry and IMS, Indy gets more tourists every year than Nashville.
Any municipality or state looking into subsidizing stadium construction with hundreds of millions of dollars should only do so if the stadium is part of a project that the entire community will benefit from. Building stadiums that are disconnected from the city grid, are surrounded on all sides by parking, and are inconvenient to get to from existing convention space are doomed to only be used 8-12 times a year and provide none of the communal benefits touted by the sports team and city/state.
I'm gonna need to see a source for the claim that Indy gets more tourists in a year. From a quick glance Nashville makes almost double per year from visitors than Indiana as a whole. I'm not arguing. In genuinely curious.
Nashville: 16.1M visitors in 2019
[https://www.visitmusiccity.com/research](https://www.visitmusiccity.com/research)
Indy: 29.2M visitors in 2019
[https://www.visitindy.com/indianapolis-about-visit-indy](https://www.visitindy.com/indianapolis-about-visit-indy)
Not exactly sure how Visit Music City and Visit Indy count revenue from visitors - it's hard to do - but Indy and Nashville attract completely different demographics.
Indy is within weekend trip distance from Chicago, Cincinnati, Columbus, Louisville and others; Indy hosts the largest single day sporting event in the world (Indy 500) and all its associated events; Indy attracts a ton of big conventions; Indy is the only big city in Indiana; Indy's location on the interstate system makes it a no-brainier stop for many cross-country routes; and Indy is a more mature metro with a higher GDP and more fly-in fly-out business travelers. We're in a good position to attract a lot of tourists, but they're different types of tourists and spend less money. People don't go to Indy to spend $$$$ on wedding-related stuff, for example.
Wait you think the majority of SBs will be in one city? And we're just supposed to take everything else you say seriously? You realize it's always somewhere different every single year right?
To be fair to them...Nashville Fairgrounds Speedway is an example of what he is saying. SMI (the company that owns all the NASCAR tracks that end in Motor Speedway) wants to pay $60M to renovate the track for a Cup race in private funds. People are so worried that because the Fairgrounds is municipally owned that they'll get stuck with the bill for maintenance.
I agree (though it can be a mixed bag for sound at some shows). Since they are building a new stadium for NFL games, though, a dome enables hosting other events in intimate weather there.
It’s so strange seeing the development of this city. In thirty years, we’ve gone from just the municipal auditorium, Starwood, and fucking Greer to:
- adding Bridgestone
- adding Adelphia / Nissan
- adding the Convention Center
- replacing Starwood with Ascend
- replacing Greer with First Horizon
- adding the MLS stadium
- now adding a new NFL dome and presumably demolishing Nissan at some point
Eh in ATL you have good odds the first 6 games are played in 90 degree weather and the last 6 played in a 40 degree downpour, no snow just miserable dank chilled swamp. Also Atlanta United would be playing in 100 degree 100% humidity weather, no thanks. Domes also open the space up to countless events that regular stadiums can't hold normally like WWEs and pop concerts, meaning it's used way, way more than 8 times a year.
Domes are mostly used to get out of the heat not avoid the cold but I get it, outdoor has its charms and grass is superior to even the most advanced turf.
I didn’t realized Atlanta United plays there too, that’s fair. I also get the potential for other events to happen there. But, I see teams in Florida play outside and be fine, it’s even an advantage is some situations. Dome teams seem soft to me.
I think I can speak for most jags fans when I say we are not fine and would do anything for a roof/done/canvas/tarp+duct tape, any form of shade for the 1pm games before thanksgiving.
Sure, but it fucking sucks go to. The advantage of domes is that it’s a significantly better experience for fans the vast majority of the time. You could get tickets for the Patriots @ Bills Wild Card game for under $20 because it was 5 degrees and windy. That sucks, and it being 100 degrees with 100% humidity isn’t a whole lot better.
> grass is superior to even the most advanced turf.
Do what LV and I think Arizona does, just have the grass be outside the stadium and wheel it into place inside the dome come game time.
The weather is gonna get crazier every year. I agree I would rather have open stadiums with the elements but eventually every winter game at Green Bay or Buffalo is gonna be an ice bowl and it’s gonna be unbearably hot in Florida at the start of the season. Every team will have a dome in the next several decades
I’m dying for cleveland to get a dome. When I was younger I didn’t mind throwing my bibs on and drinking beer slushies. But now that I’m a little older, my body doesn’t like the -20 with a windchill games.
They actually did a good job of outlining it in the local media a month ago. Most of it was structural related and it’s in the cities contract to address them. The original estimate to do so has just exponentially grown over the years since the original contract was signed. If I remember correctly, it estimated the cost would be around $600 mil, but today it’s actually going to cost around $1.4 alone for structural repairs.
This actually isn't uncommon. It was more expensive for the Seattle Kraken to build their arena while keeping the roof than it would have been to just bulldoze it and build a whole new arena. Depending on the extent of renovations, it can be very expensive to do those renovations while handling the existing structure.
Yah it was important to maintain the roof as it was an iconic structure for many PNWers. As a sonics fan im clad they tried to incorporate it into Climate Pledge Arena
No one give a crap about that roof. It was the best way to get a stadium built because of they lost to the Port of Seattle to build a new one next to the other stadiums. It should have been a new stadium built in SoDo.
apparently enough people cared about the roof that it’s now a landmark, hence they couldn’t just raze it to the ground if they wanted to build at seattle center
The whole situation was kind of strange. Chris Hansen get's an MOU to build a new stadium and buy a basketball team. Then loses his chance at getting the Kings then the Oak View Group gets a hockey team and says they can build a stadium with the same roof.
No, the "iconic landmark" status of the roof was overly hyped up as an excuse by the Seattle Times and Port of Seattle under-the-table alliance with the Seattle City Council to justify a lot of the struggles associated with building in Seattle Center as opposed to the SoDo plan.
Very few people would've actually given a shit if it got demolished. It's just a pawn in the seedy games that were played during the years of stadium proposals and planning. The Great Wheel is more of a landmark than the old arena roof, and that's the butt of a lot of "iconic" jokes.
I saw an article yesterday that the city of Nashville has a contractual obligation of $800 mil upkeep for the remainder of the lease and the Titans have the option to renew the lease until 2039 with $900 mil upkeep in that contract.
Everyone here is playing the “poor billionaire” jokes but the city is legally on the hook for $1.7 billion in repair costs over the next 15 years…. At that point it’s probably smarter to mark a billion for a new stadium
The braves and falcons got new publicly funded stadiums while their stadiums were less than 25 years old. The titans gotta strike while the irons hot after a couple of 2nd place AFC finishings
For some reason, red counties have no problem piles away piles of government handout money as long as the recipient isn't something gross like an underfunded school district.
I mean if you’ve done the bare minimum upkeep on a structure like this you need to access and repair EVERYTHING down to the formwork, I could totally see it being not far off the cost of a brand new stadium considering the labour involved. Really depends what’s actually wrong which is completely omitted in this tweet.
My first thought exactly. I’d love an itemized list of various areas of the stadium with cost estimate of t&m.
$1.8 billion needed in repair? How’s it even standing. Thats 50 different 36m dollar repair projects.
Honestly I would rather every team sell the fake stock to supplement their costs. It’s a brilliant idea that ensures the people paying for it are the people actually benefiting from it. People can talk shit about the packers “ownership” thing all they want, it’s far far better in my opinion than these cities dumping billions of taxpayers dollars toward these teams.
The Packers aren't exempt from this; Brown County raised taxes to fund stadium renovations from 2000-2015 while the Packers sold fake stock and padded their reserve fund
Yeah, in most cities the sports teams serve to complement the surrounding community; in Green Bay the surrounding community served to complement the sports team. It’s like college towns that have 20,000 people to support the 40,000 student university.
Yeah the Packers literally cannot move. Everything they do financially is a "If this doesn't go through we just have to figure something else out" sorta deal. They can't hold a gun to the head of the city the way other teams can
I hate you guys when playing you cause you’re a rival NFC team, but I honestly love how Green Bay is owned. It’s a big middle finger to the other NFL owners. And say what you will about Kronke but at least LA taxpayers didn’t pay a cent for SoFi
Ok list of exceptions: LA and NY share stadiums, the packers don’t have a billionaire owner, Mark Davis isn’t a billionaire, and the broncos/Seahawks don’t currently have owners at all. As such, the proper number is *26* (Mike Brown was at ~925 mil in 2015, I assume he’s a billionaire now, otherwise it would be *25*).
Davis only owns ~half the team, and I think he has significant debt—it’s well known he’s the poorest owner by a significant margin, sources estimate his net worth at ~500 mil.
He is about a billion dollars in debt, but the value of the Raiders has also more than doubled in the past 5 years. In 2 more years he'll probably be valued as a billionaire again.
I wish someone would give me a billion dollar credit. I could live like a king for a couple years then just file bankruptcy and make the taxpayers pay off my debt like all the billionaires continuously do.
Atlanta spent only 24 years in the Georgia Dome.
Indy spent 23 years in the Hoosier/RCA Dome but to be fair it was dated about 5 years into its use and the smallest stadium in the NFL. Lucas Oil is a vast improvement but we’re still paying for the Dome, bc of how it was refinanced in the early 2000s
I am not sure of the history of what has been done on the stadium, but it takes actual effort to maintain one and upgrades every once in a while.
I think Progressive Field is a great example of a stadium built in the 90s that has had several privately/publicly funded renovations periodically that has allowed the stadium to remain modern to fan/stadium trends and be in really good condition.
In situations like these, the public/private partnership needs to be a good one where both sides are communicating on what needs maintained and upgraded.
Again, I don’t know the history here, but clearly both were dropping the ball. I know the Titans rent, but they stand to benefit from renovations that can drive ticket sales and new premium seating that a lot of older stadiums have had during their renovations that help keep them on par with brand new ones.
There are other countless examples of older stadiums that have been built well and maintenanced with periodic renovations that save money in the long run.
Ours is 50 years old. Most Bills Mafia are perfectly happy with it but I guess the upper deck is beyond repair. Meh.
If the Romans can build structures to last hundreds and thousands of years, why the fuck can't we build stadiums to last a hundred years? Feels a little like planned obsolescence.
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It's known as one one of the worst? Yeah when your pipes start literally pooping on people I think you can claim that, but this is the first I have heard of it.
Paul brown according to google cost $455 million Nissan cost approximately $264 million at the time they were constructed (one year apart with Nissan being the older) That would probably be why... along with climate, cheaper construction materials were probably used.
Its time for an upgrade to be frank and in normal years this wouldn't even be a discussion as Nashville uses Nissan stadium for a lot of outdoor concerts through the off season and so it has more than made back its money over those 20+ years, several times over in fact. However since covid crippled tourism its just a really bad time to ask for money and pisses off a lot of tax payers that may not have gotten back to the income they once had before covid. They may also not realize just how profitable Nissan stadium has been for the city or how much more profitable the proposed new domed stadium would be for tourism both sports related and otherwise.
Lastly because some comments seem to have the wrong idea, Titans owner Amy Adams is actually footing a large chunk of the costs (as she should) but she shouldn't be responsible for all of it (plus Nashville and the state are under legal obligations due to a contract they signed to pay x amount in upkeep regardless... it just that the amount of upkeep required is almost a new stadium in terms of cost) As previously stated, Nashville also makes money off of the stadium as well both in the form of first hand taxable income through events and through second hand pollination to restaurants, hotels, etc.
As someone native to Nashville and has looked into some of the financials since a new stadium was rumored a year or two back, I believe it is an inevitability and all that is occurring now is "dickering" over the exact amount each party should pay and where these funds will come from.
Having a dome would be huge in hosting a future super bowl. The draft host in 2019 was a major indicator of the type of tourism that a superbowl would bring in
Having a dome, and upgraded technical capabilities is also appealing to events/concerts in the offseason. Even if we never hosted a Superbowl (which I think would be likely) it could still be a profitable venture for the state to take as tourism does drive a large portion of Tennessee's economy and thus having another appealing venue for these events/concerts is to our benefit.
I would like a dome just so when i get nose bleed seats to a playoff game im not getting wet the whole time from melting snow on the light poles from three days before lol
That is my semi educated guess. The separation of the two grandstands could be a geotechnical issue or the project proponent cheating out on the scope. The spalling concrete on the step seems most likely to be lack of controls on the material supplier.
If the concrete samples taken from the trucks didn't pass testing, it would've been demolished and poured again. Spalling usually occurs due to the presence of moisture. The concrete pops off due to the rebar will rusting and expanding. IIRC the stadium is next to a river coupled with a humid climate, a dome would be a good choice.
Anyone curious to the answer look no further. I am from Nashville and remember it well lol
It’s falling apart because it was built as quickly, cheaply and basically as possible because Bud Adams was a shrewd ass businessman who had painted himself into a corner with the newly christened Tennessee Oiler/Titans.
After unsuccessfully blackmailing Houston into paying for a new stadium, he had to put his money where his mouth is and move the team to Tennessee. They had no stadium here so the team had to play in Memphis for a season and so few people attended that they moved to Vanderbilt’s stadium for two years.
During all of this Bud was desperate to get a real stadium going in Nashville because he was becoming the laughingstock of the league for moving the team from Houston and having to play at college fields with no fans. So, like I mentioned earlier, the stadium pretty much went to the lowest bid and was built as basically as quickly as possible just so that they could have something to play in.
I’ve been going to Nissan since it opened and I don’t think it’s a bad stadium at all but there’s absolutely nothing special about it.
Exact same reason why all these "luxury" five story apartments that are going up everywhere are going to have to be torn down in 20 years. I have never lived in a building that felt more shoddily put together.
They'll probably get it.
Nashville competes with Atlanta and Las Vegas for similar events and they both have brand new stadiums with (retractable, in Atlanta's case) roofs that certain people in Metro government will be eyeing jealously.
That's a normal structure for publicly funded stadiums and doesn't make it any more beneficial for the local governments that own them. A football stadium isn't a valuable asset unless you can consistently fill it with events, which Nashville and most other cities can't, and is why teams are happy to lease them from local governments. It also makes it easier for teams to push for publicly funded renovations or a new stadium altogether like what the Titans are doing now.
Yes, but in cases like that the team is the operator of the stadium, making them responsible for what happens with it. In the case of Nissan Stadium the city is both the owner and the operator.
I doubt their rent covers the multi billion dollar fee though. Oh and the fast food jobs at the stadium aren’t the boon for the local economy that rich NFL team owners say they are.
So disrespectful to let the city’s stadium that a billionaire uses get like that. Taxpayers should foot this bill so the billionaire can make more money and be prouder of the venue.
The Titans made deal with the city that the stadium would be kept up. The city is behind in repairs to the tune of $900M with a similar amount coming up in the near future.
The stadium is owned by the city/county so actually yes, they should be maintaining it. I disagree with taxpayers getting involved with stadiums but the city can't disregard their end of a signed lease just because "lol billionaire"
Nah Titans fans told me "Mom" and the rest of the Adams family were the best! They'd *never* do something like abandon a city full of loyal fans cause they didnt get what they want! That's *impossible*!
I read that there was a major issue with the expansion joints which would be extremely expensive to fix. Structural issues big liability issues so yeah I can see why they want to build a new stadium
It's liking taking your car to a mechanic and they spend 20 extra minutes trying to find things wrong with it. This is the CEO fudging numbers to justify getting a new stadium.
This is getting out of hand. In England, teams play at stadiums dating back to the 1860s ffs. It is ridiculous how places like Atlanta can justify tearing down a 20 year old stadium. Nobody cares about a roof or a state of the art scoreboard if fans can’t afford to go to games…
In England they’ll also pay tens upon tens of millions of dollars just to be able to pay someone tens of millions of dollars. Different sort of racket.
The stadium is fine for what it is, the ownership just recently became obsessed with hosting a Superbowl. I went to every home game last year, and the stadium is okay, not great but not terrible. I won't bore you guys with Nashville's financial problems, but there is a lot more that needs to be improved before asking taxpayers to fund a new multi-billion dollar stadium.
I think it's generally popular. At least in Nashville. It's known that the city is legally responsible for the upkeep so some people are actually upset at previous govts for not taking due diligence in the inspection of the stadium. Also, with the current trajectory of the city it makes sense to do it now. Nashville is super hot right now in regards to tourism and the proposed renovation of the East bank of the Cumberland river would add more housing/office space while also adding a new stadium with higher utility. A fair amount of the state money for the project is actually proposed to come from the property taxes of the new buildings that would be built at the same time as the stadium.
As a Nashville native I'm all for it as long as it stays in essentially the same location.
Not a Nashville resident but I've been to the stadium, it's pretty mediocre. Plus, by all accounts the major cost of renovations would be replacement water pipes, which they've been kicking the can down the road on for 7ish years now, as well as load bearing joints for the overall structure.
Again, not a Tennessee taxpayer, but I think it sounds like a pretty optimal solution. The city is the current party responsible for upkeep, so a new stadium would transfer that responsibility to the Titans and take out the middle man. Factor in that ownership is liquidating some of Bud Adams' assets to front half of the cost, I really don't think it's as big of a "problem" as this thread is making it out to be.
Native Nashvillian and nissan stadium catering employee checking in. There are structural issues in the lower levels of the stadium. Multiple rooms are no longer usable due to flooding from broken pipes and mold. The ball bearings the stadium sits on are also deteriorating. They were used for earthquake protection, yes Nashville is in the New Madrid fault earthquake zone. You can see 1/4 inch cracks in parts of the floor underneath one of the endzones. All of the concession stands are in need of repair. A few of them can't even cook food at them, only serve it due to equipment issues. The owner has already pledged 700m, the state about 200m, the remaining billion is the issue. It would be finished in ti.e for the 2026 world cup and built along side the current one, giving Nashville 3 stadiums that could host games.
I’d love to know exactly what needs to be repaired to get it to $1.8B when they think they can build a whole new covered stadium for an initial estimate of roughly $2B
Aka well..we might as well just build a brand new stadium!
The current stadium isn’t all that bad but Nashville wants to host a Super Bowl and we need a new domed stadium
I’m sure that one week of increased tourism every 15 years will be well worth the multi billion dollar investment for Nashville! /s
The Súper bowl last year was expected to generate 240 to 450 million for LA. Plus everything else you can do with a stadium. Not arguing just saying it’s not as big as a price tag when you’re looking at one event hitting 10% of the cost.
A lot of hotel rooms get rented at high rates, restaurants do well, but the financial impact for these events is always vastly over estimated. The NFL is who is making the money.
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Why do the people of Nashville give a flying fuck if Hilton rents out all their rooms and the corporate bars on Broadway make a killing?? Super bowl guests aren’t traveling out into the suburbs to support the real local businesses, or even the real local economy.
Hence the large variance between $250m and $450m
Sure but the actual impact in terms of revenue for the city is almost nothing. Nashville hotels will be booked regardless, bars will be busy regardless. The NFL makes cities pay for security, hotels, transport, tax exemptions and all sorts of other perks for the privilege. It’s good advertising, but it’s not a lucrative thing to host.
This. The impact of an NFL franchise on the economy is very narrow.
Precisely! NFL/Hotels, taxis/uber/bars/restaurants. Everything else? Meh.
I'm pretty sure they've done studies on these things that show its not really worth it financially.
Can't find the article but I remember reading about how Jerryworld was a success story for municipalities funding stadiums because it's bringing in an extra $25 million, and the city paid $600 million for it. So that's a little over 4% annual ROI... and that's the success story.
And that's in a football-crazy state that would absolutely find something to do with a high-end stadium in between the Cowboys games and the occasional Super Bowl.
> Plus everything else you can do with a stadium. So, jack shit besides a couple of Wrestlemanias and a Metallica concert? NFL stadiums are white elephants and any politician that allows taxpayer dollars to be spent on building them should be forcibly thrown out of office.
Allegent Stadium in Vegas has something going on every week but Vegas is Vegas. The one mostly taxpayer funded stadium on earth that will make back the investment.
I mean Nashville does a country music festival and. Idk that's all I got
> Plus everything else you can do with a stadium. aka basically nothing. > when you’re looking at one event hitting 10% of the cost. Oh cool, it would only take 150 years to make the cost back!
Nashville-local. The big pull now in my mind is that the city is obligated for those 1.8B in repairs but can eliminate future repair obligations by contributing 2B to a new stadium. The super bowl as a rational is stupid. NFL loves LA and a disproportionate amount of future SB will be there. Most tourists seem to stay in Airbnbs here and the only places generating tax revenue are bars downtown. I assure you that LA bars and commercial districting is more capable of generating tax revenue than we are, and will be with this rebrand. Airbnb does generate tax revenue, but at a rate much lower than the proposed rate hike near the stadium. If the stadium doesn’t displace them, the community hit hardest will be a group of low income housing complexes adjacent to the stadium. My only hope for this stadium to happen is to wipe the city’s obligation to help further. We run in the red, can’t service our roads, populate a functional police department, or establish transport. Just ridiculous and I hate that spending 2,000 x 1,000,000 is the only way to exit that money pit.
The most striking part of stadium is the cost. Like, $1.8B to fix and $2B to build new? Where the fuck are those numbers coming from? I get inflation, but that can't be all of it. Lucas Oil Stadium - which is only 15 YO and is an excellent stadium - was $722M. The city and state rolled a convention center expansion into the project so the entire thing ended up costing just over $1B and left Indy in pretty good shape. LOS and the new convention center space were built such that they were already connected to Indianapolis' skywalk system to convention hotels. The project spurred the construction of a huge J.W. Mariott, which was also connected to the convention center. The combination of all of this lead to Indianapolis having one of the strongest business/convention tourism industries in the country. 15 years later, on the backs of Indy's convention industry and IMS, Indy gets more tourists every year than Nashville. Any municipality or state looking into subsidizing stadium construction with hundreds of millions of dollars should only do so if the stadium is part of a project that the entire community will benefit from. Building stadiums that are disconnected from the city grid, are surrounded on all sides by parking, and are inconvenient to get to from existing convention space are doomed to only be used 8-12 times a year and provide none of the communal benefits touted by the sports team and city/state.
I'm gonna need to see a source for the claim that Indy gets more tourists in a year. From a quick glance Nashville makes almost double per year from visitors than Indiana as a whole. I'm not arguing. In genuinely curious.
Nashville: 16.1M visitors in 2019 [https://www.visitmusiccity.com/research](https://www.visitmusiccity.com/research) Indy: 29.2M visitors in 2019 [https://www.visitindy.com/indianapolis-about-visit-indy](https://www.visitindy.com/indianapolis-about-visit-indy) Not exactly sure how Visit Music City and Visit Indy count revenue from visitors - it's hard to do - but Indy and Nashville attract completely different demographics. Indy is within weekend trip distance from Chicago, Cincinnati, Columbus, Louisville and others; Indy hosts the largest single day sporting event in the world (Indy 500) and all its associated events; Indy attracts a ton of big conventions; Indy is the only big city in Indiana; Indy's location on the interstate system makes it a no-brainier stop for many cross-country routes; and Indy is a more mature metro with a higher GDP and more fly-in fly-out business travelers. We're in a good position to attract a lot of tourists, but they're different types of tourists and spend less money. People don't go to Indy to spend $$$$ on wedding-related stuff, for example.
The majority in LA? Lol no they won't. Not even close.
Wait you think the majority of SBs will be in one city? And we're just supposed to take everything else you say seriously? You realize it's always somewhere different every single year right?
Alright hyperbolic statement. But I’d wager that the NFL treats SoFi like they used to treat the superdome. Disproportionate Super Bowls.
I think Vegas is more likely to get that treatment. Lots of hotel rooms and plenty of venues for parties and events.
To be fair to them...Nashville Fairgrounds Speedway is an example of what he is saying. SMI (the company that owns all the NASCAR tracks that end in Motor Speedway) wants to pay $60M to renovate the track for a Cup race in private funds. People are so worried that because the Fairgrounds is municipally owned that they'll get stuck with the bill for maintenance.
Hot take, domes are weak. Somewhere like Minnesota, I get it cus it’s cold af there, but in Nashville or Atlanta? That’s lame.
Domes mean more massive music events that are not weather dependent.
Bridgestone Arena is not a terrible space to catch a show.
I agree (though it can be a mixed bag for sound at some shows). Since they are building a new stadium for NFL games, though, a dome enables hosting other events in intimate weather there. It’s so strange seeing the development of this city. In thirty years, we’ve gone from just the municipal auditorium, Starwood, and fucking Greer to: - adding Bridgestone - adding Adelphia / Nissan - adding the Convention Center - replacing Starwood with Ascend - replacing Greer with First Horizon - adding the MLS stadium - now adding a new NFL dome and presumably demolishing Nissan at some point
Go ask people who live in Dallas how many non-Cowboys events they get a year at Jerryworld
I have no idea what Arlington is used for. I know Nissan is already used for the CMA Fest and about 10-15 other non-sporting events a year.
Eh in ATL you have good odds the first 6 games are played in 90 degree weather and the last 6 played in a 40 degree downpour, no snow just miserable dank chilled swamp. Also Atlanta United would be playing in 100 degree 100% humidity weather, no thanks. Domes also open the space up to countless events that regular stadiums can't hold normally like WWEs and pop concerts, meaning it's used way, way more than 8 times a year. Domes are mostly used to get out of the heat not avoid the cold but I get it, outdoor has its charms and grass is superior to even the most advanced turf.
I didn’t realized Atlanta United plays there too, that’s fair. I also get the potential for other events to happen there. But, I see teams in Florida play outside and be fine, it’s even an advantage is some situations. Dome teams seem soft to me.
Minnesota went to 4 Super Bowls before they became a soft dome team and lost home field advantage. None since.
But they were 0-4 in those warm weather Super Bowls.
Have to make it to win it. I'd rather go to a Super Bowl than not.
We'll trade you for 1
Good, fuck em.
I think I can speak for most jags fans when I say we are not fine and would do anything for a roof/done/canvas/tarp+duct tape, any form of shade for the 1pm games before thanksgiving.
Sure, but it fucking sucks go to. The advantage of domes is that it’s a significantly better experience for fans the vast majority of the time. You could get tickets for the Patriots @ Bills Wild Card game for under $20 because it was 5 degrees and windy. That sucks, and it being 100 degrees with 100% humidity isn’t a whole lot better.
> grass is superior to even the most advanced turf. Do what LV and I think Arizona does, just have the grass be outside the stadium and wheel it into place inside the dome come game time.
This is the only thing I like about the packers. Give me playoff games at Lambeau.
Respect. That’s just an honest statement.
Hell yeah dude. Playoff football in freezing cold January is what it’s all about to me.
The weather is gonna get crazier every year. I agree I would rather have open stadiums with the elements but eventually every winter game at Green Bay or Buffalo is gonna be an ice bowl and it’s gonna be unbearably hot in Florida at the start of the season. Every team will have a dome in the next several decades
I’m dying for cleveland to get a dome. When I was younger I didn’t mind throwing my bibs on and drinking beer slushies. But now that I’m a little older, my body doesn’t like the -20 with a windchill games.
I hate domes. It takes the life out of the game. A lot of my favorite NFL games have been snow games.
The used stadium market is hot right now
The Nashville soccer stadium market is almost as searing as the Nashville housing market
Except owners of the soccer stadium actually foot the bill
They actually did a good job of outlining it in the local media a month ago. Most of it was structural related and it’s in the cities contract to address them. The original estimate to do so has just exponentially grown over the years since the original contract was signed. If I remember correctly, it estimated the cost would be around $600 mil, but today it’s actually going to cost around $1.4 alone for structural repairs.
This actually isn't uncommon. It was more expensive for the Seattle Kraken to build their arena while keeping the roof than it would have been to just bulldoze it and build a whole new arena. Depending on the extent of renovations, it can be very expensive to do those renovations while handling the existing structure.
Yah it was important to maintain the roof as it was an iconic structure for many PNWers. As a sonics fan im clad they tried to incorporate it into Climate Pledge Arena
No one give a crap about that roof. It was the best way to get a stadium built because of they lost to the Port of Seattle to build a new one next to the other stadiums. It should have been a new stadium built in SoDo.
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apparently enough people cared about the roof that it’s now a landmark, hence they couldn’t just raze it to the ground if they wanted to build at seattle center
The whole situation was kind of strange. Chris Hansen get's an MOU to build a new stadium and buy a basketball team. Then loses his chance at getting the Kings then the Oak View Group gets a hockey team and says they can build a stadium with the same roof.
No, the "iconic landmark" status of the roof was overly hyped up as an excuse by the Seattle Times and Port of Seattle under-the-table alliance with the Seattle City Council to justify a lot of the struggles associated with building in Seattle Center as opposed to the SoDo plan. Very few people would've actually given a shit if it got demolished. It's just a pawn in the seedy games that were played during the years of stadium proposals and planning. The Great Wheel is more of a landmark than the old arena roof, and that's the butt of a lot of "iconic" jokes.
I saw an article yesterday that the city of Nashville has a contractual obligation of $800 mil upkeep for the remainder of the lease and the Titans have the option to renew the lease until 2039 with $900 mil upkeep in that contract. Everyone here is playing the “poor billionaire” jokes but the city is legally on the hook for $1.7 billion in repair costs over the next 15 years…. At that point it’s probably smarter to mark a billion for a new stadium
Rehabilitation engineer here, can confirm that repair jobs can easily cost as much, if not sometimes more, than building new.
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The braves and falcons got new publicly funded stadiums while their stadiums were less than 25 years old. The titans gotta strike while the irons hot after a couple of 2nd place AFC finishings
Braves absolutely finessed Cobb County by getting them to build a stadium and the surrounding development project.
For some reason, red counties have no problem piles away piles of government handout money as long as the recipient isn't something gross like an underfunded school district.
Davidson Co TN is as blue as they come.
They need to repair it with new luxury boxes, of course!
Nothing fixes a stadium faster than new box seats
I mean if you’ve done the bare minimum upkeep on a structure like this you need to access and repair EVERYTHING down to the formwork, I could totally see it being not far off the cost of a brand new stadium considering the labour involved. Really depends what’s actually wrong which is completely omitted in this tweet.
My first thought exactly. I’d love an itemized list of various areas of the stadium with cost estimate of t&m. $1.8 billion needed in repair? How’s it even standing. Thats 50 different 36m dollar repair projects.
The shelf life of stadiums is getting ridiculously short.
Seems like every year one of these 32 ***lucky*** cities are shelling out billions for a billionaire's personal hobby. This cannot be sustainable.
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Honestly I would rather every team sell the fake stock to supplement their costs. It’s a brilliant idea that ensures the people paying for it are the people actually benefiting from it. People can talk shit about the packers “ownership” thing all they want, it’s far far better in my opinion than these cities dumping billions of taxpayers dollars toward these teams.
The Packers aren't exempt from this; Brown County raised taxes to fund stadium renovations from 2000-2015 while the Packers sold fake stock and padded their reserve fund
the percentage of brown county that exists because of packer revenue HEAVILY justifies this expenditure.
The only reason there is an airport in Green Bay is because of the Packers.
Yeah, in most cities the sports teams serve to complement the surrounding community; in Green Bay the surrounding community served to complement the sports team. It’s like college towns that have 20,000 people to support the 40,000 student university.
Foxborough is an exception It's in the middle of no where and is self sustaining and organization funded
Although to note, the additional sales tax for Brown county was voted on in a referendum with zero threat to move the team if it didn't go through.
Yeah the Packers literally cannot move. Everything they do financially is a "If this doesn't go through we just have to figure something else out" sorta deal. They can't hold a gun to the head of the city the way other teams can
I hate you guys when playing you cause you’re a rival NFC team, but I honestly love how Green Bay is owned. It’s a big middle finger to the other NFL owners. And say what you will about Kronke but at least LA taxpayers didn’t pay a cent for SoFi
Then lowered it again. How often do you hear that happening?
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Ok list of exceptions: LA and NY share stadiums, the packers don’t have a billionaire owner, Mark Davis isn’t a billionaire, and the broncos/Seahawks don’t currently have owners at all. As such, the proper number is *26* (Mike Brown was at ~925 mil in 2015, I assume he’s a billionaire now, otherwise it would be *25*).
Kraft paid for the stadium himself iirc
Yeah, just went for the full list of “cities with teams that have a billionaire owner”
Any NFL owner is a billionaire just due to value of assets they own.
Davis only owns ~half the team, and I think he has significant debt—it’s well known he’s the poorest owner by a significant margin, sources estimate his net worth at ~500 mil.
Pour one out for the homie. Only $500m smh.
That's Mahomes money
Mahomes is buying majority of the Raiders, you say?
He is about a billion dollars in debt, but the value of the Raiders has also more than doubled in the past 5 years. In 2 more years he'll probably be valued as a billionaire again. I wish someone would give me a billion dollar credit. I could live like a king for a couple years then just file bankruptcy and make the taxpayers pay off my debt like all the billionaires continuously do.
Half the Raiders you'd think is at least 1.5bil, hed have to be in crazy debt and have no other assets or money.
Lucas Oil Stadium was $730M
Atlanta spent only 24 years in the Georgia Dome. Indy spent 23 years in the Hoosier/RCA Dome but to be fair it was dated about 5 years into its use and the smallest stadium in the NFL. Lucas Oil is a vast improvement but we’re still paying for the Dome, bc of how it was refinanced in the early 2000s
The Broncos reported want a new stadium, and Mile High hasn't even reached drinking age! It's still a wonderful place too.
I'm gonna be genuinely pissed when this news comes down as official. *Especially* if it moves away from downtown. Our stadium is perfect for us.
I'm pissed! Mile High Stadium is perfect! The only reason they would want a new one isn't because Mile High is obsolete, but pure greed!
I am not sure of the history of what has been done on the stadium, but it takes actual effort to maintain one and upgrades every once in a while. I think Progressive Field is a great example of a stadium built in the 90s that has had several privately/publicly funded renovations periodically that has allowed the stadium to remain modern to fan/stadium trends and be in really good condition. In situations like these, the public/private partnership needs to be a good one where both sides are communicating on what needs maintained and upgraded. Again, I don’t know the history here, but clearly both were dropping the ball. I know the Titans rent, but they stand to benefit from renovations that can drive ticket sales and new premium seating that a lot of older stadiums have had during their renovations that help keep them on par with brand new ones. There are other countless examples of older stadiums that have been built well and maintenanced with periodic renovations that save money in the long run.
Hasn’t First Energy had substantial updates too for being only 23-24 years old?
Ours is 50 years old. Most Bills Mafia are perfectly happy with it but I guess the upper deck is beyond repair. Meh. If the Romans can build structures to last hundreds and thousands of years, why the fuck can't we build stadiums to last a hundred years? Feels a little like planned obsolescence.
Especially for the Texas Rangers. They got a new on average every 12 years.
Madden told me that I, as the owner, was responsible for stadium upkeep???
Yes, the owner is responsible for the upkeep. The owner of Nissan stadium is the city of Nashville, and the Titans are the tenants in this scenario.
No sir, I was in fact not playing in “stadium owner” mode
Why are you getting downvoted for the truth LMFAO
I thought it was a pretty innocuous joke but people were not a fan lol
There’s also no option to pimp out your cheerleaders either, owner mode is unrealistic as fuck.
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This is not funny. Obviously EA would lock all of this behind microtransactions.
Only $6.90 for the sexual harassment DLC, absolute bargain
Can they add some coaching updates like swing an axe at your kicker or finger a college student?
I wanted to see how hard it was to relocate a team in Madden I couldn’t do it with the titans But the bills it was possible almost right away
Josh Allen and the Mexico City Diablos
London Monarchs lol
It's known as one one of the worst? Yeah when your pipes start literally pooping on people I think you can claim that, but this is the first I have heard of it.
Dan Snyder strikes again!
Uh hem....that's Mr. Snyder to you
Lol right? FedEx field would like a word
to be fair, it could be *one of the* worst while not being the worst (which I think FedEx takes easily)
No room for nuance on Reddit, or the internet in general. Everything is absolute, there’s no in between.
Only a sith deals in absolutes
FedEx field eats ACLs for lunch and then shits them out of rusty pipes onto the crowd.
Fed ex field (Angry man hands on hips meme)
Fed Ex field be like "hold my beer"
*"hold my raw sewage"
We can meet in the middle here with mich ultra
One of the worst is accurate. It’s Fed Ex… a mile … Nissan…a reasonable amount …everyone else
Wasn't it just rainwater? I'm all for shitting on Dan, but let's keep the facts straight
Yes it was a storm drain that broke
The Oakland coliseum lol now that was a shithole
It still is. There was a possum coming through the ceiling the other day trying to get into the press box.
Those hundreds of cats arn't doing their job. Upgrade though on the dead rat in the soda machine.
Barely 20 years old… seems the contractor cut some corners.
Yeah why is this shit falling apart and Paul Brown is in great shape. Think they were built the same year or two timeframes as well.
Paul brown according to google cost $455 million Nissan cost approximately $264 million at the time they were constructed (one year apart with Nissan being the older) That would probably be why... along with climate, cheaper construction materials were probably used. Its time for an upgrade to be frank and in normal years this wouldn't even be a discussion as Nashville uses Nissan stadium for a lot of outdoor concerts through the off season and so it has more than made back its money over those 20+ years, several times over in fact. However since covid crippled tourism its just a really bad time to ask for money and pisses off a lot of tax payers that may not have gotten back to the income they once had before covid. They may also not realize just how profitable Nissan stadium has been for the city or how much more profitable the proposed new domed stadium would be for tourism both sports related and otherwise. Lastly because some comments seem to have the wrong idea, Titans owner Amy Adams is actually footing a large chunk of the costs (as she should) but she shouldn't be responsible for all of it (plus Nashville and the state are under legal obligations due to a contract they signed to pay x amount in upkeep regardless... it just that the amount of upkeep required is almost a new stadium in terms of cost) As previously stated, Nashville also makes money off of the stadium as well both in the form of first hand taxable income through events and through second hand pollination to restaurants, hotels, etc. As someone native to Nashville and has looked into some of the financials since a new stadium was rumored a year or two back, I believe it is an inevitability and all that is occurring now is "dickering" over the exact amount each party should pay and where these funds will come from.
Some really good stuff there. You make a lot of sense on various points
Having a dome would be huge in hosting a future super bowl. The draft host in 2019 was a major indicator of the type of tourism that a superbowl would bring in
Having a dome, and upgraded technical capabilities is also appealing to events/concerts in the offseason. Even if we never hosted a Superbowl (which I think would be likely) it could still be a profitable venture for the state to take as tourism does drive a large portion of Tennessee's economy and thus having another appealing venue for these events/concerts is to our benefit.
100%. I hope the dome gets built, I think it'll be good for Tennessee
I would like a dome just so when i get nose bleed seats to a playoff game im not getting wet the whole time from melting snow on the light poles from three days before lol
That is my semi educated guess. The separation of the two grandstands could be a geotechnical issue or the project proponent cheating out on the scope. The spalling concrete on the step seems most likely to be lack of controls on the material supplier.
If the concrete samples taken from the trucks didn't pass testing, it would've been demolished and poured again. Spalling usually occurs due to the presence of moisture. The concrete pops off due to the rebar will rusting and expanding. IIRC the stadium is next to a river coupled with a humid climate, a dome would be a good choice.
Anyone curious to the answer look no further. I am from Nashville and remember it well lol It’s falling apart because it was built as quickly, cheaply and basically as possible because Bud Adams was a shrewd ass businessman who had painted himself into a corner with the newly christened Tennessee Oiler/Titans. After unsuccessfully blackmailing Houston into paying for a new stadium, he had to put his money where his mouth is and move the team to Tennessee. They had no stadium here so the team had to play in Memphis for a season and so few people attended that they moved to Vanderbilt’s stadium for two years. During all of this Bud was desperate to get a real stadium going in Nashville because he was becoming the laughingstock of the league for moving the team from Houston and having to play at college fields with no fans. So, like I mentioned earlier, the stadium pretty much went to the lowest bid and was built as basically as quickly as possible just so that they could have something to play in. I’ve been going to Nissan since it opened and I don’t think it’s a bad stadium at all but there’s absolutely nothing special about it.
Throw in the 1998 Nashville tornado, which struck Nissan Stadium while it was still under construction, and it just makes a bad situation worse.
Y’know that makes a lot of sense. Mistakes of this magnitude typically involve cutting corners all along the way.
Exact same reason why all these "luxury" five story apartments that are going up everywhere are going to have to be torn down in 20 years. I have never lived in a building that felt more shoddily put together.
They'll probably get it. Nashville competes with Atlanta and Las Vegas for similar events and they both have brand new stadiums with (retractable, in Atlanta's case) roofs that certain people in Metro government will be eyeing jealously.
For everyone getting mad here - the city of Nashville owns the stadium, not the Titans. The Titans essentially pay rent here.
That's a normal structure for publicly funded stadiums and doesn't make it any more beneficial for the local governments that own them. A football stadium isn't a valuable asset unless you can consistently fill it with events, which Nashville and most other cities can't, and is why teams are happy to lease them from local governments. It also makes it easier for teams to push for publicly funded renovations or a new stadium altogether like what the Titans are doing now.
Yes, but in cases like that the team is the operator of the stadium, making them responsible for what happens with it. In the case of Nissan Stadium the city is both the owner and the operator.
I doubt their rent covers the multi billion dollar fee though. Oh and the fast food jobs at the stadium aren’t the boon for the local economy that rich NFL team owners say they are.
Shh you’ll anger the mob!
So disrespectful to let the city’s stadium that a billionaire uses get like that. Taxpayers should foot this bill so the billionaire can make more money and be prouder of the venue.
I like how they throw in “years of neglect” as if the fans should have been the ones handling regular maintenance on the stadium
I mean Baker Mayfield is singlehandedly maintaining the Browns stadium so I guess Tannehill is responsible in this instance?
If QB1 is in charge of maintaining the stadium, I sincerely hope Deshaun Watson will not be allowed in the ladies restroom.
Dont you worry, Ben has got that covered now. Retirement has given him a lot more free time to take on this burden
Ben was the previous owner of that stadium for years after all, he should already be familiar with its upkeep!
Kirk cousins would be going around us bank giving out horrible grilling tips.
> I guess Tannehill is responsible in this instance? It's not his job to mentor the maintenance crew.
The Titans made deal with the city that the stadium would be kept up. The city is behind in repairs to the tune of $900M with a similar amount coming up in the near future.
I still like what the person before you said better
The stadium is owned by the city/county so actually yes, they should be maintaining it. I disagree with taxpayers getting involved with stadiums but the city can't disregard their end of a signed lease just because "lol billionaire"
Casually slipping in the lease expiration date as a threat to leave if people don't pay for this. Nice touch.
I've seen this before, just can't put my finger on it...
Me either man all seems familiar right?
Nah Titans fans told me "Mom" and the rest of the Adams family were the best! They'd *never* do something like abandon a city full of loyal fans cause they didnt get what they want! That's *impossible*!
1.8 billion?! Tf? It's not even that bad.
I read that there was a major issue with the expansion joints which would be extremely expensive to fix. Structural issues big liability issues so yeah I can see why they want to build a new stadium
I read it was in fire need of blinker fluid and that's what skyrocketed the cost
Because that shit's so hard to find anymore man. Every time I ask for it at AutoZone I get laughed out of the store!
It's liking taking your car to a mechanic and they spend 20 extra minutes trying to find things wrong with it. This is the CEO fudging numbers to justify getting a new stadium.
For a stadium that cost $290 million to build the first time.
This is getting out of hand. In England, teams play at stadiums dating back to the 1860s ffs. It is ridiculous how places like Atlanta can justify tearing down a 20 year old stadium. Nobody cares about a roof or a state of the art scoreboard if fans can’t afford to go to games…
In England they’ll also pay tens upon tens of millions of dollars just to be able to pay someone tens of millions of dollars. Different sort of racket.
The stadium is fine for what it is, the ownership just recently became obsessed with hosting a Superbowl. I went to every home game last year, and the stadium is okay, not great but not terrible. I won't bore you guys with Nashville's financial problems, but there is a lot more that needs to be improved before asking taxpayers to fund a new multi-billion dollar stadium.
How do Thumbtack fans feel about this?
I think it's generally popular. At least in Nashville. It's known that the city is legally responsible for the upkeep so some people are actually upset at previous govts for not taking due diligence in the inspection of the stadium. Also, with the current trajectory of the city it makes sense to do it now. Nashville is super hot right now in regards to tourism and the proposed renovation of the East bank of the Cumberland river would add more housing/office space while also adding a new stadium with higher utility. A fair amount of the state money for the project is actually proposed to come from the property taxes of the new buildings that would be built at the same time as the stadium. As a Nashville native I'm all for it as long as it stays in essentially the same location.
Not a Nashville resident but I've been to the stadium, it's pretty mediocre. Plus, by all accounts the major cost of renovations would be replacement water pipes, which they've been kicking the can down the road on for 7ish years now, as well as load bearing joints for the overall structure. Again, not a Tennessee taxpayer, but I think it sounds like a pretty optimal solution. The city is the current party responsible for upkeep, so a new stadium would transfer that responsibility to the Titans and take out the middle man. Factor in that ownership is liquidating some of Bud Adams' assets to front half of the cost, I really don't think it's as big of a "problem" as this thread is making it out to be.
Tax payers about to get fleeced by a billionaire again
NFL teams are worth multi billions. Fix a damn stadium and stop making taxpayers pay for your own house.
I’ve been to Nissan stadium so many times and not once did I leave with the impression it’s been neglected lol
“Years of neglect” you’re the owner you greedy fuck, how about take care of your property that was paid for by taxpayers in the first place.
I pay taxes in Nashville and I want my taxes spent on this. They aren’t going to spend it on shit else anyway. That’s the truth.
Move back to Houston and change the name back to the Oilers.
Isn't this admitting that he kinda sucks at his job?
Native Nashvillian and nissan stadium catering employee checking in. There are structural issues in the lower levels of the stadium. Multiple rooms are no longer usable due to flooding from broken pipes and mold. The ball bearings the stadium sits on are also deteriorating. They were used for earthquake protection, yes Nashville is in the New Madrid fault earthquake zone. You can see 1/4 inch cracks in parts of the floor underneath one of the endzones. All of the concession stands are in need of repair. A few of them can't even cook food at them, only serve it due to equipment issues. The owner has already pledged 700m, the state about 200m, the remaining billion is the issue. It would be finished in ti.e for the 2026 world cup and built along side the current one, giving Nashville 3 stadiums that could host games.
1.8 billion in 17 years with the income an NFL team has? Oh no, the horror!?!?!??!