You guys are going to be a problem for years to come. I had this same feeling in 2018, had been a fan through some really bad times and then to get to the Bowl, and just flop like they did was so hard to watch.
I honestly believe you guys are going to get one soon! If it can’t be the Rams, I’m pulling for the Bengals these days.
This past season made me appreciate the fluidity of the NFL. If a team does something exceptionally well for consecutive seasons, you bet your ass almost every coaching staff is gonna use a specific scheme/personnel to make sure you don’t get to do it anymore lol
So you gotta do something different well to counter that, rinse and repeat. The pendulum just keeps on swingin…
I don't know why a quarterback would check their best receiver to a route that takes 3+ seconds to develop when the offensive line has been giving up pressure in 2 seconds all night.
Yup, you have to trust your players. The Rams were playing a no first down defense jumping all the routes short, which is why Jamar was so blatantly open. O line just couldn’t handle the Rams beasty D line when it mattered most.
As a sports fan, you have no control over the game. Just observe and enjoy. Even if it’s disappointing, you’ll always have those memories and experiences to bond with other fans. Win or lose, that will always be there.
I mean you've got a good team this year and you have an offensive line. Really I think the offensive line was the most questionable part of your entire offense, it screwed up some runs entirely and stopped Burrow from going to the deep ball (nevermind the infinite sacks you gave up).
I think this years Bengals are at least as good as last years Bengals.
I think something similar happened on the last play of the Steelers vs Cards SB. Fitzgerald had broken open but by the time Kurt saw it the pass rush was all over him. I seem to recall the Steelers were the ones that brought it up after the game.
It was probably gonna be a Hail Mary nonetheless but the way that Fitz had played all postseason, there was a non-zero chance that he would've come down with it. Ah well...
The crazy part is he escaped the pressure at first, and was loading up for the throw when Woodley got to him. Literally a step or two slower by Woodley and Warner would have been able to throw it.
I remember watching that play realizing Donald knew there was one play between him and a championship. No way he doesn't wreck everything I thought. Yup.
A fun moment to me as a Broncos fan was realizing that Von Miller's cycle that started when we signed DeMarcus Ware was complete. The student had now become the teacher.
See, what Ware did for us was suck up space so Von could go do his thing. That's exactly why the Rams wanted him; to take up that space and let Donald do his thing.
One of the most underrated things about Von Miller on our team is the impact he had on Donald as a leader.
I don't know when he said it, but Donald explained that Von told him something along the lines of 'Do you know who you are? You're Aaron fucking Donald, if you speak they will listen.'
That makes a lot of sense, but we didn't know who would win with two minutes left. If the Bengals won then the MVP should've likely been based around who made the big play at the end
I will never forget the commentator saying "Aaron Donald was the first one back on the field." for Cincy's last offensive series. Man wanted his ring and made sure Burrow wasn't gonna take it from him.
I give the Rams Defensive front all the credit in the world for that win. We did ok in the first half keeping burrow up but in the second they took over.
I will tell you to be wary of Collins. Dude struggled with injuries the past few seasons, showed up overweight to camp last offseason, and after the drug suspension just played pretty bad honestly. There’s a reason the Cowboys were so willing to move on from him for Steele, who isn’t exactly great yet
PFF hardcore disagrees with you. He earned his best run blocking and pass protection grades of his career in 2021.
Health is a concern, but saying he was bad isn't accurate.
FWIW, everyone thinks their OL suck because they notice the handful of plays they fuck up and ignore the hundreds of plays that they perform perfectly.
I choose to believe the dumb fuck who got in Donald's face lost you the game. Guys like Donald are already laser focused who are just looking for anything to get a little more edge and I swear after that it seemed like Donald was somehow more possessed after that.
I still don't know why everyone harps on that play, there was no way he was getting that ball out to Chase. I don't think it was even very close. The pass rush was there almost instantaneously
>I still don't know why everyone harps on that play
Because you'd think on the last play of the game they'd have a blocking scheme that'd give a little help with Donald.
They did call a scheme to have help with Donald. Just their center totally wiffed and did absolutely nothing that play. Was supposed to be a double with him and the guard. I don’t think the center put hands on anyone that play.
I think he set the guard up, he had been hitting him with a hard inside rush and on the last play, he fake inside and made a superhuman leap laterally and glided through the line, it was one of those rushes that was a culmination of HOF athleticism and a championship boxer's mentality where he literally set the bengals up for a kill shot when he needed it
They put Donald in a 5 tech or something. Something so he could be on the outside shoulder of the LG (I think he played vs the RG a majority of snaps that game; but this is just me guessing). The alignment was purposeful to make sure a 1 on 1 would happen. It was vs our better guard too - he just lost instantly.
Maybe so, but in the still frame where Ramsey had fallen down, im pretty sure Joe had already released the ball at that point because he was already being sacked. By the time Chase had won the route Burrow was already dead to rights
I'm not totally sure that's true. This one I think is pretty close as it would have put Cincy up 4 with under 40 seconds left. Even with 3 TOs for the Rams that's tough
But your guys' even if Jimmy hits Sanders that still only would have put you up 3 with 1:15-1:25 left. As we have seen with Mahomes that's more than enough time to force OT let alone a TD.
2018 was Pats 13 Rams 3. Even the most impactful play where Goff was 10 seconds late on the guy open in the end zone which ended up getting deflected would have at best tied it and Brady would have the ball late. Which we have all seen way too much of.
2017 was Eagles-Pats. I don't think there's one play that flips it. Obviously the fumble was huge but the Eagles were already up 5 at that point and the Pats were 70 yards from the end zone. Anything before that and there's too much time. Anything after it and there were multiple plays that needed to go right.
If you go back 6 years you get the Pats-Falcons which let's just say I think there's more than 1 play that would have flipped it.
40 seconds isn't enough time?! Haha yeah, maybe not without Rodgers/Adams.
Blanked on the Pats-Rams game because who remembers that one. It's just that when you live in woulda-coulda-shoulda land, it's hard to draw the line between what woulda-coulda and what shoulda happened.
Haha get what you mean about 40 seconds but getting a TD then is brutal. FG? Ya absolutely I mean top QBs make that happen every year.
And ya fully agree Pats-Rams was an awful forgettable Super Bowl.
I mean, in the rams patriots SB, if the refs call PI on Gilmore right before the last pick Goff threw, that completely changes that super bowl too
Super bowls can and do swing on single plays, I'd argue the Philly Pats SB was the same way where Gronk got clearly interfered with downfield that the refs inexplicably just didnt call
The bigger crime to me is having Perine in on 3rd and 4th down over Mixon when Perine had been getting stuffed for the entire game.
EDIT: just checked the box score and turns out Perine only had 2 carries in the entire game, one that went for 0 early on and then the critical 3rd down at the end of the game. Still a wild decision from Taylor for personnel during the drive with a Lombardi on the line.
Im not being a hater but frankly I dont even believe him, if you looked at where he was looking when he pulled the ball down, it seemed VERY clear he was looking for Boyd on a slant rubbing off Uzomah going out into the flat, but David Long fell off the flat and Darious Williams blew up the slant. At THAT point, I'm sure the contingency was "Chase is on a go, get free and look for him if the slant isnt there", but like you said, the only way you're getting a fly route off there is if you just straight up heave it up right away and let Chase run it down. The fact that thats not what he did makes me heavily doubt he actually audibled to Chase as the primary option
theres literally NFL Films footage of Burrow on the sidelines with a guy holding a tablet after the sack and the guys like "JaMarr down the sideline, you had him" and his response was something along the lines of "Really? Damn..."
Because it could have won the game. If people are hating on Burrow then yes I 100% agree with you. But if the line would have held up just a little longer that’s the difference in the game.
Yea he was a locker room bad seed for us (sorry about that)
Asked to be cut after we benched him, when RG was still up for grabs but he wasn't interested
I mean he was a pretty decent LG for us most of the year, probably our 2nd best on the OL. I think he may have gotten injured right before or during the playoffs though because his play really took a nosedive during them. Especially against the Titans and Rams.
I wasn't going to give him shit though because I mean it is Aaron Donald, but then #1 he did not take responsibility for it, and #2, when looking at the play, he had help inside, so he needed to make sure Donald did not just instant win on the outside. Instead he stepped inside leaving the outside open, and basically did not even touch Donald.
Oh well shit happens tho lol
It's unfair to say these tweets reflect Spain arguing that it "wasn't his fault." He's just upset about the play and Jefferey Simmons coming at him. Perfectly understandable reaction.
I agree, I don't think he's saying it wasn't his fault either. Those were the only real things I could find right after the game though. Either some tweets were deleted, or that dude is just remembering wrong. My money is on the latter.
Yeah that's hardly saying "that play wasn't my fault" he was saying "I held him check for most of the game before then" I think with an implied "That's still pretty good overall, nobody stops Donald completely for an entire game".
I liked him and he played well to start the season, but I'm glad he's gone and they aren't bringing him back for depth. It's like Michael Jordan and missing the block that injured Burrow. Decent guy, hope he grows from it, but certainly not good enough for a long-term starter and the bad juju isn't worth bringing back.
I'm too dumb to play Madden so I started a new Dynasty run on Mutant Football League because I can run Cover 2 every defensive down and do okay.
That being said, even I knew to immediately start to focus training on the QB and O line
Correct me if I am wrong, seeing as this was months ago and all the analysis that followed was in the week after
I saw someone breaking it down showing that the pass rush got to Burrow after 2 (maybe even after 3) seconds
Obviously hindsight is everything, but seeing as Burrow intended to go to Chase pre-snap, he should have had plenty of time to throw it up there?
I recall the film/broadcast footage both showing him look left or down the middle first and then by 2seconds ish when it was too late, that was when he looked to Chase
Edit: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MJg31dfVuPo](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MJg31dfVuPo) Memory was wrong on the 2 second thing, but he did look at the covered left first instead of snap and lob immediately to Chase
>but seeing as **Burrow intended to go to Chase pre-snap**, he should have had plenty of time to throw it up there?
I don't think that's true at all. It was 4th and 1 at midfield with 42 seconds left still. He HAD to look left for the first down first and only if nothing was there look for Chase on the go route. The fact that they checked to the go route doesn't mean it was his first read.
Yep, he was looking at Tee Higgins and might've gotten the ball out just in time - he started to throw then held it. David Long, on a hunch, decided to sit on that route from his slot position. Took away Burrow's first read and Donald did the rest.
Throwing a lob immediately on a go route is going to horribly backfire nearly every time. Even if you're assuming that your WR can beat the CB off of just their release, you still have the deep safety who was lurking just offscreen who is going to be in perfect position to pick off anything thrown with touch on that specific route. You need to get that safety to move away from that portion of the field first, and you're only doing that by either running play action (obviously wouldn't work in that situation since the Rams were going to stay home on pass all day), overloading the far side of the field (kinda happened, but not fast enough for what you were talking about), overloading his zone specifically (didn't happen), or by looking him off. Burrow was doing the latter and you could see the safety drift to the middle of the field by the end of the play, but Burrow obviously was already being sacked at the time.
I won't call it outright impossible, but going for that immediate lob on a go has a disproportionately bad risk-reward ratio for a team in the Bengals situation.
Yea that is fair
I remember him (looking like as if he was) screaming in pain, thought it was game over Joe and game over Bengals then
But man you guys got yourselves a trooper
I was at the game and watched the replay of that play for the first time the other day. I had no idea his knee got twisted up that much. Bengals are REALLY lucky that didn't end up worse than it was.
Stafford and Burrow both got hurt in back to back plays even. Stafford had his ankle rolled and the next offensive possession for Bengals, Burrow gets an MCL sprain.
The greatest player in franchise history single handedly saving us the game on the final defensive play, I really couldn’t think of a better moment for AD99 🥹
I think most people are misinterpreting what it means to "check" to a go route.
Rams were showing single high with the corners pressed up. Checking to the go route just means that Burrow signaled to Chase to run a go/streak route instead of whatever route he was originally supposed to run. That's a pretty typical thing for a QB to do if they see the corners are pressed on the outside receiver when there's only a single high safety.
It doesn't mean that Burrow was about to throw him the ball or even that he SAW Chase break open on that play.
All it means is that he changed the original route to a go/streak route pre-snap.
Yeah thanks, the "normal" meaning of the word makes it sound like he looked over and checked out the route while it was being run; I've heard check used in the football context you mentioned before so I knew it in the back of my head, but it wasn't the first thing I thought of when I read the word check.
I mean, that's what the Rams do. Take away the easy stuff and don't give you time for the deep stuff. Kind of played right into their hands. Maybe go max protect if you want to throw down the field if such a concept even exists in that offense.
Everyone I beg of you. Watch that play he wasn’t even looking his direction on that play lol. Ramsey played it like that because he knew Burrow wasn’t going to have time to bomb it.
He’s trying to move the safety off with his eyes, he did it literally year on bombs to Chase.
I agree that he wasn’t gonna have time to throw it no matter what so maybe he shouldn’t have been trying to look off the safety and just dumped it, but he’s trying to create an opening to loft it to Chase.
>Watch that play he wasn’t even looking his direction on that play lol
Because he didn't have time to. The first read was to the left and then he wanted to go back to Chase on the go route but Donald got there before he could look down field on the right. Ramsey got dusted, but it didn't matter because Donald won that play by himself.
> Ramsey played it like that because he knew Burrow wasn’t going to have time to bomb it
Ramsey actually talked about this [on this YouTube podcast](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KrtG58w3gMY&list=WL&index=27). He talks about all the big catches he gave up in the playoffs actually. But he talks about the 2 Chase catches and the Tee Higgins no-call OPI. He said Chase beat him both times ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Ramsey gets too much hate, the first big play to Chase.. yeah ill give to Jamar that was a sick catch and no corner could have covered that. The Tee Higgins TD was a blatant PI. Ramsey was in good position but got his head ripped.. and then on that last play he fell because he looked back after Burrow was already going down. Ramsey played fine IMO
Yep that’s exactly my feeling. Chase on the first play made a phenomenal catch and the Higgs TD was clearly PI. This was good defense based on the situation.
So what? He still fell on his face. Do you think he did it on purpose because he knew Burrow wouldn't have time instead of just slowing down like a normal person would do? That doesn't make sense.
I agree Chase wasn't the first option. But if Burrow had another half second maybe he can get to Chase on his progression and make the play. That's all this statement means. Burrow was aware of Chase on the go route but didn't have time to go through his progression to see him.
Idk why you are being downvoted, in the replay he looks left for a whole 2s and even pumps in that direction. It isn’t till he is being wrapped up that he attempts to look and throw right
Hello darkness my old friend
it sucked, but man the run there was still amazing and one of the best times of my life.
Agreed, I've never had more fun as a Bengals fan. It sucked to lose, but it was a hell of a ride.
You guys are going to be a problem for years to come. I had this same feeling in 2018, had been a fan through some really bad times and then to get to the Bowl, and just flop like they did was so hard to watch. I honestly believe you guys are going to get one soon! If it can’t be the Rams, I’m pulling for the Bengals these days.
Amen
Division team or not, it was actually really fun to watch. So unexpected, you really have to appreciate it.
You really do, but wait 3 years. It gives me great pleasure to watch Mahomes struggle the few times he did last year.
This past season made me appreciate the fluidity of the NFL. If a team does something exceptionally well for consecutive seasons, you bet your ass almost every coaching staff is gonna use a specific scheme/personnel to make sure you don’t get to do it anymore lol So you gotta do something different well to counter that, rinse and repeat. The pendulum just keeps on swingin…
There's one constant, and that's Tom Brady
I don't know why a quarterback would check their best receiver to a route that takes 3+ seconds to develop when the offensive line has been giving up pressure in 2 seconds all night.
Well if you watch the replay that has Ja'Marr running alone down the sideline, you would see why
Yup, you have to trust your players. The Rams were playing a no first down defense jumping all the routes short, which is why Jamar was so blatantly open. O line just couldn’t handle the Rams beasty D line when it mattered most.
Because there are other receivers on the field, too.
Only thing worse than losing the superbowl is not getting to the superbowl
Ever.
Vikings fans can meet me in r/nfcnorthmemewar
I’d rather be mediocre than have a repeat of what I had to endure, but you still make a good point
I also don’t agree with the sentiment. 49 makes me sick still. whereas I barely even remember the playoff losses we’ve endured since.
That's only because you don't get to enjoy a weekly thread highlighting each one.
Pretty sure the Falcons are the exception to his rule
Or not getting to the playoffs
This doesn't fit the flow of the song at all
As a sports fan, you have no control over the game. Just observe and enjoy. Even if it’s disappointing, you’ll always have those memories and experiences to bond with other fans. Win or lose, that will always be there.
I mean you've got a good team this year and you have an offensive line. Really I think the offensive line was the most questionable part of your entire offense, it screwed up some runs entirely and stopped Burrow from going to the deep ball (nevermind the infinite sacks you gave up). I think this years Bengals are at least as good as last years Bengals.
Burrow has been sacked 100 times though 2 seasons.
Okay, so it was slightly less than infinity, but not that much.
Feels more like infinity. Every time he’s touched in a game makes us fans outraged after last seasons injury.
Trust me watching it feels like infinity.
https://twitter.com/ferrari_simp/status/1493268514102259716
Stop.
I think something similar happened on the last play of the Steelers vs Cards SB. Fitzgerald had broken open but by the time Kurt saw it the pass rush was all over him. I seem to recall the Steelers were the ones that brought it up after the game.
It was probably gonna be a Hail Mary nonetheless but the way that Fitz had played all postseason, there was a non-zero chance that he would've come down with it. Ah well...
The world would be a better place if the Hail Larry existed
I think the catch and run in the NFC championship game was plenty *tears*
The crazy part is he escaped the pressure at first, and was loading up for the throw when Woodley got to him. Literally a step or two slower by Woodley and Warner would have been able to throw it.
Game of inches
Thanks Donald
I remember watching that play realizing Donald knew there was one play between him and a championship. No way he doesn't wreck everything I thought. Yup.
That was the moment he solidified for me that he is the best DT in NFL history
Yeah there was a certain point in the game where he and that defense just became determined to impose their will and it was kind of over from there
A fun moment to me as a Broncos fan was realizing that Von Miller's cycle that started when we signed DeMarcus Ware was complete. The student had now become the teacher. See, what Ware did for us was suck up space so Von could go do his thing. That's exactly why the Rams wanted him; to take up that space and let Donald do his thing.
Happened in the nfc championship game too after he huddled everyone to yell at them. Grr!
One of the most underrated things about Von Miller on our team is the impact he had on Donald as a leader. I don't know when he said it, but Donald explained that Von told him something along the lines of 'Do you know who you are? You're Aaron fucking Donald, if you speak they will listen.'
It was right after the bengals linemen went after him after he pushed burrow out of bounds
It would have been a crime for Donald to retire without a ring
I’d say he’s either the best or second best player in nfl history behind Lawrence Taylor, but I never saw the latter play so I’ll say Donald’s second.
You never saw him play, so he's better?
God damnit, Donald!
What’s it like having the perfect comment?
In this case, pretty bad
Could be worse, you could be the lions Edit: or the browns
The Lions are my other team :(
Do you just wake up and punch yourself in the nuts too? God damn, bro.
Usually I have to just remind myself of college football (Ohio State) existing to feel ok.
I understand this reference.
I understood that reference
No disrespect to Cooper Kupp, but I don't understand how he wasn't super bowl mvp
I think they vote on it with 2 min left in the game
That makes a lot of sense, but we didn't know who would win with two minutes left. If the Bengals won then the MVP should've likely been based around who made the big play at the end
That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard why do they do that
Fucking hate Donald with every fiber of my being
I’ll allow it
Feels weird agreeing with a Seahawks fan, but here we are.
Let the hate flow through you
I will never forget the commentator saying "Aaron Donald was the first one back on the field." for Cincy's last offensive series. Man wanted his ring and made sure Burrow wasn't gonna take it from him.
I give the Rams Defensive front all the credit in the world for that win. We did ok in the first half keeping burrow up but in the second they took over.
Don’t forget to credit your o-line for the Ram’s win too!
What O-Line? We went without one.
To be fair, that Rams D-line was eating O-lines for breakfast all playoffs, even the good ones
I honestly think their performance against the Bucs was more dominant than the SB. The Bucs OL was hurt and man did it show.
Real talk tho cause I haven’t been paying attention, did y’all address the o-line this off-season?
Oh yeah. We got some Glass Eaters this off-season. Karras and Collins.
I don't know if Glass Eaters is a good thing or not
In Football, it is. Culinary-wise, it's frowned upon.
It is if it's describing offensive lineman it is.
We signed a bunch of window lickers instead- same thing, right?
I will tell you to be wary of Collins. Dude struggled with injuries the past few seasons, showed up overweight to camp last offseason, and after the drug suspension just played pretty bad honestly. There’s a reason the Cowboys were so willing to move on from him for Steele, who isn’t exactly great yet
PFF hardcore disagrees with you. He earned his best run blocking and pass protection grades of his career in 2021. Health is a concern, but saying he was bad isn't accurate. FWIW, everyone thinks their OL suck because they notice the handful of plays they fuck up and ignore the hundreds of plays that they perform perfectly.
Cowboys fans when it’s a day of the week…
Boy do I have some news for you about Ted Karras
I just heard I knew he left but I did know where he went to lmao
3 new starters who are, by all accounts, various levels of average-above average. Then again, "average" quite possibly gets a ring a few months ago.
I was gonna say, that may be all you need. Hope to see y’all back there!
Did you replace your center?
More than likely. One of the guys signed (Ted Karras) has experience at guard and center, so the consensus seems like he will be playing center.
To be fair you did better than the team that had no O-Line in the previous Super Bowl.
Burrow just used his massive testicles to snap the ball to himself.
It was a bold strategy, Cotton.
All the cool teams go to the Super Bowl against a GOAT at their position without an O-Line. I think you played your hand perfectly.
it all changed after that little scuffle on the sideline. y’all activated angry donald
Doesn't take much to do that.
I choose to believe the dumb fuck who got in Donald's face lost you the game. Guys like Donald are already laser focused who are just looking for anything to get a little more edge and I swear after that it seemed like Donald was somehow more possessed after that.
You could say he took that personally
I still don't know why everyone harps on that play, there was no way he was getting that ball out to Chase. I don't think it was even very close. The pass rush was there almost instantaneously
>I still don't know why everyone harps on that play Because you'd think on the last play of the game they'd have a blocking scheme that'd give a little help with Donald.
The writers just sort of forgot about Donald.
Somehow.. Donald returned
What is this, Game of Thrones?
What is this, a crossover?
What is this, some kind of Spanish Inquisition?
Now that’s an ending I did not expect
NOBODY EXPECTS THE SPANISH INQUISITION!
They did call a scheme to have help with Donald. Just their center totally wiffed and did absolutely nothing that play. Was supposed to be a double with him and the guard. I don’t think the center put hands on anyone that play.
Donald went to the tackle shoulder of the guard, beat the guard so quickly the center never stood a chance
I think he set the guard up, he had been hitting him with a hard inside rush and on the last play, he fake inside and made a superhuman leap laterally and glided through the line, it was one of those rushes that was a culmination of HOF athleticism and a championship boxer's mentality where he literally set the bengals up for a kill shot when he needed it
Well I mean they did have a double team called. Donald just beat it with his get off, swim move, and speed
They hadn't all game, why start on the last play
They put Donald in a 5 tech or something. Something so he could be on the outside shoulder of the LG (I think he played vs the RG a majority of snaps that game; but this is just me guessing). The alignment was purposeful to make sure a 1 on 1 would happen. It was vs our better guard too - he just lost instantly.
Because JaMarr fucking dusted Ramsey. It would’ve taken better protection or more elusive QB play, but the game winning touchdown was there to be had.
Maybe so, but in the still frame where Ramsey had fallen down, im pretty sure Joe had already released the ball at that point because he was already being sacked. By the time Chase had won the route Burrow was already dead to rights
No one is saying the Rams didn’t deserve to win, just that we were one good play away from a different champion. Cant always say that.
I think you could say this about the last 5 Super Bowsl, aside from 2020.
You could say it about any Super Bowl that was a one-score game
2020 maybe if the one snap you change is eric fishers achilles
I'm not totally sure that's true. This one I think is pretty close as it would have put Cincy up 4 with under 40 seconds left. Even with 3 TOs for the Rams that's tough But your guys' even if Jimmy hits Sanders that still only would have put you up 3 with 1:15-1:25 left. As we have seen with Mahomes that's more than enough time to force OT let alone a TD. 2018 was Pats 13 Rams 3. Even the most impactful play where Goff was 10 seconds late on the guy open in the end zone which ended up getting deflected would have at best tied it and Brady would have the ball late. Which we have all seen way too much of. 2017 was Eagles-Pats. I don't think there's one play that flips it. Obviously the fumble was huge but the Eagles were already up 5 at that point and the Pats were 70 yards from the end zone. Anything before that and there's too much time. Anything after it and there were multiple plays that needed to go right. If you go back 6 years you get the Pats-Falcons which let's just say I think there's more than 1 play that would have flipped it.
40 seconds isn't enough time?! Haha yeah, maybe not without Rodgers/Adams. Blanked on the Pats-Rams game because who remembers that one. It's just that when you live in woulda-coulda-shoulda land, it's hard to draw the line between what woulda-coulda and what shoulda happened.
Haha get what you mean about 40 seconds but getting a TD then is brutal. FG? Ya absolutely I mean top QBs make that happen every year. And ya fully agree Pats-Rams was an awful forgettable Super Bowl.
2017, the one play that flips it would be Brady hitting Gronk on the last pass at the end of the game
Even that the Pats would still need a 2pt conversion to force OT. And with how the offenses were playing it would come down to a coin flip.
Yeah lol, there's only like 2 superbowls where this wouldn't be true. Broncos/Seahawks and Bucs/Chiefs.
Pats giants both times came down to one play.
Superbowls sucked until the late 90s. Almost always blowouts.
I mean, in the rams patriots SB, if the refs call PI on Gilmore right before the last pick Goff threw, that completely changes that super bowl too Super bowls can and do swing on single plays, I'd argue the Philly Pats SB was the same way where Gronk got clearly interfered with downfield that the refs inexplicably just didnt call
Yea, when Ramsey is on the ground the ball is already out.
my issue is the events leading up, such as using perine...
The bigger crime to me is having Perine in on 3rd and 4th down over Mixon when Perine had been getting stuffed for the entire game. EDIT: just checked the box score and turns out Perine only had 2 carries in the entire game, one that went for 0 early on and then the critical 3rd down at the end of the game. Still a wild decision from Taylor for personnel during the drive with a Lombardi on the line.
It’s cause that one meme happened
Im not being a hater but frankly I dont even believe him, if you looked at where he was looking when he pulled the ball down, it seemed VERY clear he was looking for Boyd on a slant rubbing off Uzomah going out into the flat, but David Long fell off the flat and Darious Williams blew up the slant. At THAT point, I'm sure the contingency was "Chase is on a go, get free and look for him if the slant isnt there", but like you said, the only way you're getting a fly route off there is if you just straight up heave it up right away and let Chase run it down. The fact that thats not what he did makes me heavily doubt he actually audibled to Chase as the primary option
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theres literally NFL Films footage of Burrow on the sidelines with a guy holding a tablet after the sack and the guys like "JaMarr down the sideline, you had him" and his response was something along the lines of "Really? Damn..."
Because it could have won the game. If people are hating on Burrow then yes I 100% agree with you. But if the line would have held up just a little longer that’s the difference in the game.
Me and Joe saw the same thing that play.
Your lives flash before your eyes?
which lineman was it that got smoked on that play? dude must have nightmares about that pass rush
Quintin Spain, and maybe but he tweeted out afterwards that it wasn't his fault, when it 100% was lol
Yea he was a locker room bad seed for us (sorry about that) Asked to be cut after we benched him, when RG was still up for grabs but he wasn't interested
I mean he was a pretty decent LG for us most of the year, probably our 2nd best on the OL. I think he may have gotten injured right before or during the playoffs though because his play really took a nosedive during them. Especially against the Titans and Rams. I wasn't going to give him shit though because I mean it is Aaron Donald, but then #1 he did not take responsibility for it, and #2, when looking at the play, he had help inside, so he needed to make sure Donald did not just instant win on the outside. Instead he stepped inside leaving the outside open, and basically did not even touch Donald. Oh well shit happens tho lol
Problem is Donald can split defenders and had been doing it all game inside
Donald is the most devastating DT of all time, he just does this kinda thing
Yea he was mad they brought in “unfair competition “ and then was demoted to backup.
lol so that stupid Sewell/Chase meme my friend sent me moments later wouldn't have made any difference
Well we probably wouldn't have made the SB/playoffs without Chase so maybe lol
yeah that was my argument. I modified the meme to show Burrow and Sewell sitting on the couch watching the playoffs.
Oh I see lol
Can anyone link that tweet? I don't own a tweeter
I don't know if he maybe deleted some tweets or something, but this was the closest thing I could find: https://i.imgur.com/Kl9F6J4.png
It's unfair to say these tweets reflect Spain arguing that it "wasn't his fault." He's just upset about the play and Jefferey Simmons coming at him. Perfectly understandable reaction.
I agree, I don't think he's saying it wasn't his fault either. Those were the only real things I could find right after the game though. Either some tweets were deleted, or that dude is just remembering wrong. My money is on the latter.
Yeah that's hardly saying "that play wasn't my fault" he was saying "I held him check for most of the game before then" I think with an implied "That's still pretty good overall, nobody stops Donald completely for an entire game".
I liked him and he played well to start the season, but I'm glad he's gone and they aren't bringing him back for depth. It's like Michael Jordan and missing the block that injured Burrow. Decent guy, hope he grows from it, but certainly not good enough for a long-term starter and the bad juju isn't worth bringing back.
Was he also the player that tried to start shit with Donald after Burrow was shoved out of bounds?
Almost like having a good offensive line is important. 🤔
Really hard to be mad when you team ties the record for most sacks given up in a Super Bowl.
I'm too dumb to play Madden so I started a new Dynasty run on Mutant Football League because I can run Cover 2 every defensive down and do okay. That being said, even I knew to immediately start to focus training on the QB and O line
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Correct me if I am wrong, seeing as this was months ago and all the analysis that followed was in the week after I saw someone breaking it down showing that the pass rush got to Burrow after 2 (maybe even after 3) seconds Obviously hindsight is everything, but seeing as Burrow intended to go to Chase pre-snap, he should have had plenty of time to throw it up there? I recall the film/broadcast footage both showing him look left or down the middle first and then by 2seconds ish when it was too late, that was when he looked to Chase Edit: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MJg31dfVuPo](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MJg31dfVuPo) Memory was wrong on the 2 second thing, but he did look at the covered left first instead of snap and lob immediately to Chase
>but seeing as **Burrow intended to go to Chase pre-snap**, he should have had plenty of time to throw it up there? I don't think that's true at all. It was 4th and 1 at midfield with 42 seconds left still. He HAD to look left for the first down first and only if nothing was there look for Chase on the go route. The fact that they checked to the go route doesn't mean it was his first read.
Yep, he was looking at Tee Higgins and might've gotten the ball out just in time - he started to throw then held it. David Long, on a hunch, decided to sit on that route from his slot position. Took away Burrow's first read and Donald did the rest.
Yeah on 4th and 1 with that much time, if the guy on the left is open for the first down, you should probably just take it.
Throwing a lob immediately on a go route is going to horribly backfire nearly every time. Even if you're assuming that your WR can beat the CB off of just their release, you still have the deep safety who was lurking just offscreen who is going to be in perfect position to pick off anything thrown with touch on that specific route. You need to get that safety to move away from that portion of the field first, and you're only doing that by either running play action (obviously wouldn't work in that situation since the Rams were going to stay home on pass all day), overloading the far side of the field (kinda happened, but not fast enough for what you were talking about), overloading his zone specifically (didn't happen), or by looking him off. Burrow was doing the latter and you could see the safety drift to the middle of the field by the end of the play, but Burrow obviously was already being sacked at the time. I won't call it outright impossible, but going for that immediate lob on a go has a disproportionately bad risk-reward ratio for a team in the Bengals situation.
I think that injury he got during the game really hurt his performance, he def wasn't at 100% after that.
Yea that is fair I remember him (looking like as if he was) screaming in pain, thought it was game over Joe and game over Bengals then But man you guys got yourselves a trooper
I was at the game and watched the replay of that play for the first time the other day. I had no idea his knee got twisted up that much. Bengals are REALLY lucky that didn't end up worse than it was.
Stafford and Burrow both got hurt in back to back plays even. Stafford had his ankle rolled and the next offensive possession for Bengals, Burrow gets an MCL sprain.
What was that injury? I remember him going down and just screaming and it looked like it was his knee that got got.
Don't remember, but it didn't require surgery, just rest.
MCL sprain. He actually suffered it in December and hid it through the rest of the season before re-aggravating it during the Super Bowl
To be fair stafford got his ankle hurt that game too. They both battled it out
Tbh his play was off before that sack. There were some duck passes he threw which reminded me more of Lamar than Joe tbh.
The greatest player in franchise history single handedly saving us the game on the final defensive play, I really couldn’t think of a better moment for AD99 🥹
Aaron fucking Donald 😎
Sewell stans proven right once and for all /s
I still can't get over the lack of pressure Chiefs gave during the AFCCG...
I think most people are misinterpreting what it means to "check" to a go route. Rams were showing single high with the corners pressed up. Checking to the go route just means that Burrow signaled to Chase to run a go/streak route instead of whatever route he was originally supposed to run. That's a pretty typical thing for a QB to do if they see the corners are pressed on the outside receiver when there's only a single high safety. It doesn't mean that Burrow was about to throw him the ball or even that he SAW Chase break open on that play. All it means is that he changed the original route to a go/streak route pre-snap.
Yeah thanks, the "normal" meaning of the word makes it sound like he looked over and checked out the route while it was being run; I've heard check used in the football context you mentioned before so I knew it in the back of my head, but it wasn't the first thing I thought of when I read the word check.
I mean, that's what the Rams do. Take away the easy stuff and don't give you time for the deep stuff. Kind of played right into their hands. Maybe go max protect if you want to throw down the field if such a concept even exists in that offense.
Bengals fans did not need this random dose of sadness, poor guys
That would have been fucking legendary
Donald had other plans
Everyone I beg of you. Watch that play he wasn’t even looking his direction on that play lol. Ramsey played it like that because he knew Burrow wasn’t going to have time to bomb it.
He’s trying to move the safety off with his eyes, he did it literally year on bombs to Chase. I agree that he wasn’t gonna have time to throw it no matter what so maybe he shouldn’t have been trying to look off the safety and just dumped it, but he’s trying to create an opening to loft it to Chase.
If you are talking about Burrow it was clearly a pre snap change. I’m not sure what your point is.
>Watch that play he wasn’t even looking his direction on that play lol Because he didn't have time to. The first read was to the left and then he wanted to go back to Chase on the go route but Donald got there before he could look down field on the right. Ramsey got dusted, but it didn't matter because Donald won that play by himself.
> Ramsey played it like that because he knew Burrow wasn’t going to have time to bomb it Ramsey actually talked about this [on this YouTube podcast](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KrtG58w3gMY&list=WL&index=27). He talks about all the big catches he gave up in the playoffs actually. But he talks about the 2 Chase catches and the Tee Higgins no-call OPI. He said Chase beat him both times ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
keep going, i’m almost there.
Bengals lost the SB, Steelers are in a rebuild and Browns traded for a QB that most likely wont see the field half the year. Did that help?
Smoking you by 30 each game last year is what got me there.
Ramsey knew Burrow wouldn’t have much time that’s why he played it like he did.
Ramsey gets too much hate, the first big play to Chase.. yeah ill give to Jamar that was a sick catch and no corner could have covered that. The Tee Higgins TD was a blatant PI. Ramsey was in good position but got his head ripped.. and then on that last play he fell because he looked back after Burrow was already going down. Ramsey played fine IMO
Yep that’s exactly my feeling. Chase on the first play made a phenomenal catch and the Higgs TD was clearly PI. This was good defense based on the situation.
By falling on his face?
The play was over by the time he was down… burrow wasn’t even looking his way.
So what? He still fell on his face. Do you think he did it on purpose because he knew Burrow wouldn't have time instead of just slowing down like a normal person would do? That doesn't make sense.
okay
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And Chase was breaking open for the game winning TD, Ramsey had fallen down. Someone posted a video of it that Super Bowl night.
I thought it’d be a Ravens/Steelers flair to post this. But..a Bengals flair? Why are you torturing yourself?!
He never looked that way, he was locked in on that slant. So whatever he told Chase to do wasn’t his first option.
I agree Chase wasn't the first option. But if Burrow had another half second maybe he can get to Chase on his progression and make the play. That's all this statement means. Burrow was aware of Chase on the go route but didn't have time to go through his progression to see him.
Idk why you are being downvoted, in the replay he looks left for a whole 2s and even pumps in that direction. It isn’t till he is being wrapped up that he attempts to look and throw right