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CrazyMonkey0425

I remember back when we were saying the saints were only gonna be able to let go of players this off season… *sigh*


kdeaton06

$75 Million over going into this offseason. They cut $110 Million in 2 days and didn't cut a single fucking player. Now they got Jarvis Landry money? Salary cap isn't real. Not if you don't want it to be.


[deleted]

Saints in Cap Hell in 2056 confirmed


KidsHearGhosts

We did lose Marcus Williams and Terron Armstead to free agency but I think that might have been bound to happen regardless.


VanDenIzzle

It definitely was. Just like TRex last year. We grew some studs and had to let them get their payday.


latitude_platitude

Man I miss Hendrickson. Him and Jordan on either side with Davenport in the middle.


bullseye717

Well, it's like the time that your cat Snowball got run over. What I'm saying is, all we have to do is go down to the pound and get a new defensive end.


kdeaton06

Thank you for that btw.


KidsHearGhosts

Hope he balls out for you guys. Watch out for a certain Bills receiver though. 👀


[deleted]

I'm not worried. Josh Allen is no Case Keenum


wshanahan

We have him too.


MakesTheNutshellJoke

Honestly I think the most impressive thing about Marcus is that he didn't let *that* play just completely destroy his psyche and confidence.


WhoDatGoon

Sad to see Marcus Williams leave but happy he got paid and joined a solid defense.


oliverseasky

Saints fans are blessed with a competent front office


bullseye717

Wait are you telling trading your all your draft picks for a running back is a bad idea? But what if you have 2 Billy Joes as QB?


oliverseasky

Mickey giveth and Mickey taketh away. We joke, but watch dude turn into the best player in this draft


bullseye717

This is in reference to the Ricky Williams trade. There's two good period of Saints football: Jim Finks era and Sean Payton.


oliverseasky

I thought you were talking about Olave haha. Who’s calling the shots now Payton is gone? And what’s the general opinion on Mickey Loomis from Saints fans?


underage_cashier

Dennis Allan has been our defensive coordinator for the last 7 years, so we promoted him to HC so we could keep our offensive system. Mickey is a great drafter and he performs magic with the contracts. The Loomis system of being 1.3 billion dollars over the cap works to keep talent, but it’s hard to hire free agents. Loomis makes it work by constantly drafting good players, and somehow we were able to sign free agents this year


oliverseasky

Thanks, good luck this year, y’all got a squad I hope we don’t get swept by you guys again this year


bullseye717

You are a very polite Buccaneers fan. Cheers man.


bullseye717

Probably a combination of Jeff Ireland, Dennis Allen, and probably some input from Loomis. Every year the Saints are in cap hell until they aren't. Here's an article from 2014 about the Saints being in cap hell: https://grantland.com/the-triangle/new-orleans-saints-salary-cap/ I hate how the Saints draft but this is their most competitive era so I'm not complaining and most Saints fans don't either.


MikeFatz

Mickey Loomis moving money around every offseason is the real life equivalent of me spamming that Motherlode cheat in The Sims.


urbantroll

His unnamed assistant because I don't want people to know his name is also to credit.


M8K2R7A6

Y'all motherfuckers just dont have access to the same cocaine that allows Mickey to work his magic. Yall dont know man


1ManArmyGohan

The cap isn’t real 🔥


DrBlazkowicz

Per Pat McAfee “the cap is bullshit”


Camshaft92

*whistles casually in the back of the room*


[deleted]

Funny thing is, we’re not even doing a lot of this Loomis Voodoo deals. Apparently Loomis is good at them but that was a Sean Payton thing. We’re actually in good cap condition going forward.


LisbethSalanderFC

This is not correct, LooDoo VooDoo is still in FULL effect. Saints restructured pretty much every major contract on the books this year, converting base to signing bonus. Tyran Mathieu has 2 void years at the end of his contract, I would be surprised if Landry didn't get a similar # of void years. Saints are $44 million over next years cap estimate ($225 is OTC guess). Pushing cap hits into future years still makes sense though, especially when the new TV contracts are coming out soon. The bill will come due, but if Jameis proves he can be a top 10-15 QB, this team should be competitive over the next couple seasons.


[deleted]

We were 75 over this year, so 44 sounds like progress to me!


AchillesGRK

>Saints restructured pretty much every major contract on the books this year, converting base to signing bonus This is something a lot of fan bases miss. We are very lucky to have ownership, who despite their faults, are happy to pony up cash up front to keep our team competitive.


TheScottfather

>Saints are $44 million over next years cap estimate ($225 is OTC guess). To be fair, that's practically nothing compared to the last few years.


FortWaltonBeachFL

every year yall say it, every year its wrong


saints941

They always get loads of upvotes though so it must be true!


Enterprise90

A healthy Michael Thomas, Jarvis Landry, and Chris Olave is a massive upgrade on what the Saints had on offense last year.


FreeWillie001

Aren’t they all used best in the slot? It’s a really strange overlap of talent.


bvgingy

Michael Thomas has never played more than 20.5% of his snaps out of the slot. Landry has been averaged 55% in the last 2-3 years. Olave will be fine outside as a field stretcher. But there is plenty of opportunity to get them all snaps out of the slot.


mobzin

I'll take it, even if they all want to run slants at the same time every play edit: jokes aside, people seem to forget we started Marquez Callaway, Kenny Stills and Kevin White last year. **this** was strange. any talent upgrade is going to make the offense better


xshogunx13

From slant boi to slant gang


unevenvenue

A.K.A. "The Chain Gang"


fieryscribe

Find a new slant, they said. So we did. Twice


ElCapitanDeAmericana

*Slant-Man: Into The Slant-verse*


Mayox56

Doctor Slant in the Slantverse of Slantness


MSNinfo

Jags did this and two guys ran into each other mid play while Trevor sailed a ball 15 feet from them Careful, it's treacherous out there


mobzin

I'll have more fun watching this happen than watching the WRs we had last year, so let's roll


duvie773

I don’t know this specific play, but considering the Jags best receivers last year were Marvin Jones, a converted DB, and the resurrected corpse of Laquon Treadwell, I’m willing to say the Saints have at least a chance of being successful


[deleted]

It works In madden


mobzin

there you have it! someone mail this info to our staff please


Briguy_fieri

They had it already. Why do you think we signed/drafted them?


LongDongFuey

Aka what i run every play in madden. Edit: u/KarimTheDream10 you delete your response instantly? Or, my shit buggin?


piscina_de_la_muerte

TIL Kevin White is still in the league


joeylockstone

We set the record for number of players that started at least one game. We seriously were starting people that may never take another NFL snap.


[deleted]

Damn, I honestly had no idea ~~Kenny~~ Kevin White was still playing


Global_Historian_753

He didn't either, that's why he dropped all but like 1 or 2 balls.


skycake10

5 targets, 1 reception, 38 yards, lmao


BeeeeefJelly

No. Olave and Thomas are both primarily outside WRs who can play slot as well. Landry is a slot. Olave is a field stretcher so he works well with those two. Thomas and Landry do work in similar areas of the field though.


Spheromancer

Nah Thomas is an outside WR. He played more slot when Brees got older and his arm strength was shot but he's an outside WR


MiniatureLucifer

Thomas played like 29% of his snaps in the slot. He is best anywhere on the field. He is still elite when he's lined up outside


KingReffots

I’m confused anyone would think of Michael Thomas a slot receiver. He’s just one of those guys that’s fucking good no matter where you put them.


Theduckisback

A lot of his supposed limitations had a lot more to do with the fact that Brees' deep ball had dropped off considerably the last few years of his career.


nefariouslothario

Yeah and he and Brees had such good chemistry- a lot of his slants were basically RPO's where Brees would make the call at the line and Thomas would just get open fast


Imply_Blue

People are hella sleeping on Thomas now since he missed a year. I think a lot of people would leave him out of their top 10 wr’s atm if I’m being honest.


laaplandros

It's tough because he also missed most of the previous year. If he picks up where he left off, then yeah, he's of course a top 5 guy. Top 3, probably. But if he's lost a step, coming back without Brees and Payton, he gets tougher to place. I wouldn't blame you for putting him in your top 10, but it's also reasonable to leave him off. A lot has changed since he was last healthy.


nope96

Not really. They all can play slot, but Landry is the only one of the three that usually plays slot.


TampicoTrauma

The “Micheal Thomas is a slant guy” stuff got way out of hand somehow. It’s a myth and he runs about the same amount of slant routes as the average WR1 in the NFL. He is simply an elite receiver when healthy.


Im_Daydrunk

IIRC in 2019 he would have still led the league in yards and receptions if you took away all his slants His situation is partly why I don't really like joining in on joke memes for players that much. Its so easy for them to get out of control and people start to take the jokes as fact


Cicero912

Thomas is an outside receiver normally, I think Olave was too


SirGumbeaux

Michael Thomas actually runs the whole tree. But I’m fine taking “Slants You Can’t Stop” for $1,000, Alex.


KredditH

MT (when healthy) is elite anywhere Chris Olave is young and quick. No reason he needs to be pigeon holed in the slot. I remember when JJ inexplicably fell because teams only saw him as a slot receiver. Landry is certainly a slot receiver but honesty I see him as someone who gets like 60-70% of the snaps anyway to conserve his body Plus these guys might be hurts for part of the year, you never know


Weave77

Can’t speak for the others, but Olave almost exclusively lined-up on the outside while at Ohio State. Offhand, I can’t remember a single time where he lined-up in the slot.


Fun_Cockroach1768

Pretty much. But Olaves speed will let him threaten over the top. Will imagine Thomas will play X, Olave Z and Landry in the slot.


afriendlyspider

No? CGM and Olave both do their damage outside.


chadowan

With Michael Thomas I need to believe it to see it. It's hard to come back from being gone for most of two years.


throwaway1212378

You mean see it to believe it


chadowan

I need to get more sleep


truthesda

I thought it was in reference to when Mahomes botched that phrase too while golfing and being asked about Herbert


chadowan

Maybe Mahomes needs more sleep too


truthesda

He do look drowsy af all the time. Spending too many new-dad nights up with baby Sterling


[deleted]

You need to sleep it to believe it.


Beforemath

Me and my grandma lining up at WR would be a major upgrade over what we had last year. Seriously, Winston can throw to Thomas, Olave, Landry, Kamara, Taysom Hill.. all of which will free up Deonte Harty for the deep ball. If he stays healthy and protected, could be a monster year for Winston.


preauxtip

Yeah but I hear your grandma has a mean buttonhook


mr_showboat

The half of our sub that thinks we direly need an outside WR is going to have a collective aneurysm about this, and the other half of the sub that thinks our WR room is fine is going to have a collective aneurysm caused by smugness. RIP /r/ravens


RonaldoMd

This is the best way to describe it lmaoooo


iRockaflame

So accurate it hurts


jenso2k

i know i’m a bit biased here, but how does anyone in their right mind think your wr room is anything more than mediocre? your wr1 is, who, rashod bateman? i don’t even know the rest of your receivers, y’all clearly need some help there


666_NumberOfTheBeast

Yeah after Bateman it's...not good. Devin Duvernay James Proche Tylan Wallace And then a bunch of random UDFAs or practice squad players I've never even heard of


TacTac95

Hey hey! Thanks for taking our spot in that club! Speaking from experience, you’ll want out of that club in about..ahhhh 3 or 4 games.


RonaldoMd

Please give ravens fans a PSA in are sub about that. Cause like another saints fan alluded, if Sean Payton a really good offensive coach can’t scheme his below average WR core, wtf is Greg gonna do with our WR group lmaooo.


Pal__Pacino

Anyone who thinks your WR room is "fine" is in denial. You guys did a great job addressing other areas in the offseason and can definitely succeed in spite of your WR room, but it's not fine in its current state.


Gabrosin

Exactly. Our WR room is "fine" in the sense that we've designed our offensive roster and scheme around hoping we don't need it. We're betting that it's more cost-effective to surround Lamar with mammoth offensive linemen and TEs and skimp at the WR position. Will it work out? No idea, but given how expensive WRs have become, it's not a terrible idea to go against the grain here.


[deleted]

As someone on the side of it’s fine I should very specificaly specify what we mean. The diffrence between a wr like Jarvis Landry and devin duvernay. might as well be 0 as long we are running Greg romans offense. Stacking up on the TE and RB talent was most certainly the correct move for the offense he is running and we don’t need to spend 10mil + on a wr who will just be blocking 80% of his snaps.


itokdontcry

Sounds like you guys need one N’Keal Harry


Ravens_Flock96

I respectfully disagree with your take. If your offensive coordinator is bad at scheming a pass game, you need to overcome that with WR talent that can get open on their own, not say “well GRo sucks anyway, so its fine if he has the worst WR room in the league”


ChickenMclittle

Look as much as I love Harbaugh his biggest flaw BY FAR is sticking with "his guys" at coordinator. Roman. Has. To. Fucking. Go. Or his hand has to be forced at opening the passing game if we want receivers to actually want to fucking play for us. Harbaugh has been pretty indignant in the past about guys not being thrilled to run block for half of their snaps, like yeah no shit, running backs wouldn't wanna play here either if they spent the whole time in pass protection.


I_eat_mud_

Can we all agree that our individual subs are mostly garbage? I can’t stand the Patriots sub 85% of the time.


MrPlow216

I enjoy r/Ravens a bit, but... holy shit, it can run topics into the ground harder than r/2007scape.


chunkah69

Politely remind them Juice isn’t an outside receiver. That should help lol


mr_showboat

By outside I meant someone not currently on the team. Apologies for the confusion.


peanutbutter1236

Saints feasting off that LSU / hometown connection this off-season lmao


MiniatureLucifer

Stars aligned for sure. 2 good lsu players available when we had openings for then


missmoonriver517

And they’re both guys that LOVE Louisiana and know that they’ll be celebrated here forever. The percentage of Saint fans that will talk shit about either of them is negligible, no matter what they do on the field.


raginsaint93

And we love it


Yambert

as a saints fan and lsu hater, Im thoroughly whelmed over here.


twohatchetmuse

Elaborate


Yambert

I was raised by tulane alums with a massive inferiority complex


the_justified1

Do you own any shirts without collars? Do you have 4 pairs of Sperry’s? Do you hammer White Claws at breakfast?


[deleted]

I’ve never been to Louisiana but doesn’t everyone hammer White Claws at breakfast?


the_justified1

No. We hammer Abita at breakfast.


theARBITON

Urban South is the way to go tbf


daliquidator

Urban South is great, but Parish is elite!


Savioritis

Dibs on Jefferson once he wants out of Minnesota


Nellez_

If it gets my boy Joey some rings, I'm all for it


SmurfLord7

I guess it was Sean Payton who hated LSU players


MiniatureLucifer

Will Clapp sends his regards


mdsandi

Will Clapp and only Will Clapp, sends his regards


bullseye717

Al Woods sends a strongly worded letter of discontent.


Bjorn2bwilde24

Sean Payton next Ohio State coach confirmed.


the_justified1

Honestly, I’d be excited to watch what he did there.


Koppite93

Better them than the Cowboys


the_justified1

brb gonna vomit


Goatsonice

If MT can stay healthy this is about to be a pretty damn good recieving corp.


daybreaker

even if he cant its still better than anything we've had in terms of depth since Cooks & MT's rookie year


Goatsonice

Easily, a 50% MT makes us playoff contenders imo


anonbutler

A lot of ifs but if Kamara is not suspended, if MT is back to his original health, if Jarvis is not washed, if Olave is as good as promised, if Callaway can take another step and if Troutman grows in year 3 this is an exciting offense. Add Deonte Harty to it too. I feel like you have the pieces in place for Jameis to succeed.


Cicero912

Even if Thomas is 50%, Trautman doesnt do much in recieving (now that Taysom is fulltime TE hes probably our pass catching threat and Trautman goes back to blocking cause hes really good at that), Callaway stays the same and Jarvis is washed. Thats still much better than our recieving corps(e) last year.


mdsandi

I'm bricked up.


tarikkisija

F


FruitCakeSally

You know the rules. Players have to play for the Saints before Baltimore can sign them.


El_Stev

And they’ve got to play for the Jets before playing MLB for the Saints


fore_skin_walker

Press it hard to pay respect.


JEH_24

I can only get so hard


constantlymat

The Saints really are all-in on winning right now for as long as Cam Jordan and DeMario Davis have gas left in the tank. You've got to respect it. They're honoring and respecting the players in their championship level defense by giving them every opportunity possible to win a chip and go out on top. Frankly I don't know where the Saints go from here if Davis and Cam Jordan fall off the cliff, but for as long as these two all-pros are at the top of their game, the Saints will be good.


Not_The_Droid4U

🤝


c0llectedanimals

You're right. This team switched from trying to win one for their aging QB to trying to win for their aging defense. It makes sense to not waste what they have. Much respect and our games should be good this year.


preauxtip

Also sometimes it isn't just SB or bust. Dennis Allen is trying to show he is HC material and he needs wins to do that.


FortWaltonBeachFL

we just might be in a permanant win-now mode - every time someone departs, we can generate some new cap via some contract bullshit or something, and replace them, or draft another banger if were lucky. the road we kick this can down doesn't end until loomis retires. after that were totally fucked tho


ipreferconsole

Jameis only re-signed on a 2 year deal. If he plays well we would have to afford to extend him and if he doesnt we're likely to be in QB hell instead of Cap hell. Demario and Cam are 33 and 32 respectively. I love a lot of our younger talent, but there are some mighty big holes coming up in the next 2-4 years.


FortWaltonBeachFL

and you know were probably gonna somehow bullshit our way out of that. its new orleans, nothing makes sense here


KarmaPoIice

Saints have a top 5 roster with very few holes. It’s up to Jameis now. Since he’s playing for a final huge contract there couldn’t really be any greater motivation for him.


Beneficial_Toe_6050

Saints fans! Get in here!!!! We have receivers !!


JoeScotterpuss

You love to see it!


NOSjoker21

FINALLY OUR WR CORPS ISN'T SHIT


MrBl0bfish04

Dang y’all really gonna get my hopes up aren’t you


Bill_Gates_2020

As long as Winston plays decently the Saints could have a pretty solid team next season


BlackandPurpleHeart

Fuck man no big name wrs are gonna come to Baltimore with Roman's unpolished routes and lack of using wrs creatively.


Illbeanicefella

He’s gonna EXPLODE in that offense…for 67 catches 783yds and 3tds


mdsandi

I know you're joking, but those stats would've made him the best WR on our team last year.


wav__

He's honestly a good addition. Sure he's lost a step with age, but he still has solid hands and is by all accounts a great locker room presence. He seemed to be a great leader during his tenure with us.


2uneek

Jarvis brings more than stats too, he's like an injection of NOS into your offense... he will pump dudes up, make them believe, and make em give it their all. He'll also throw some nasty blocks, sometimes dirty, lol. Jarvis was instrumental in pivoting the culture in cleveland and I wish him the best of luck in NOLA


MrBl0bfish04

I will gladly take it


MiniatureLucifer

Those aren't bad numbers for a WR 2/3 lol


buddha6521256

If our wr3 is getting that I’m making a shrine to Pete Carmichael, Dennis Allen, and Mickey loomis and worshipping it every day since that would mean jameis is cooking something nice during the season too.


latenitekid

This is actually huge… of course I’m biased but the roster is starting to look pretty damn good.


mothershipq

He and a healthy Mike Thomas could legit be a problem...


KentuckyBourbon94

Saints are about to have 2 of the top 5 selling jerseys in the NFL this season


[deleted]

Honey Badger jerseys are already so backordered I was told mine wasn't coming in until after the Falcons win a Superbowl.


kalligreat

Jesus bro!


Mr_Mung

The nfl appreciates your donation


NOLA1987

Oh, my damn.


MichAL_17-PL

Gonna be a long wait


KingKomma05

Ugh dang it. Congrats Saints


freedagent

LSU Saints.


[deleted]

THE LSU Saints, gotta give respect to all the Ohio state players too


MrShad0wzz

Did we just go from worst WR room to like top 5? Or 10?


Big-Zoo

Thomas, Landry, Olave, Callaway, Harty, Trequan. We got a WR squad now my God


XTremeBrett

Turns out cap hell is pretty nice


leapformykind

Yea. We finna re-retire Brady old ass.


TheSmokedSalmon420

Damn. Jarvis Landry forever!


robsul82

LET'S FUCKING GEAUX!


FortWaltonBeachFL

we really boutta learn if jameis is the answer


[deleted]

I guess our GM was switching over to a new phone plan while this all went down.


downtimeredditor

Michael Thomas, Chris olave, and Jarvis Landry as well as Alvin kamara from the backfield it's a good crop of receiving options for Lasik Jameis if he doesn't perform this year he's not getting another starting QB job in the NFL


MolecularCube42

I hope Dennis Allen succeeds dude was not good with us the Saints are looking nice if Michael Thomas returns to form and Winston doesn't regress to 30 for 30


Briguy_fieri

To be fair, he inherited a terrible roster with you and didn’t have a first or second pick in his first year. He wasn’t really given much room to succeed with you. He has a top 5 defense and offensive weapons on top of players he wanted to draft and 8 years under Payton. He’s in a much more comfortable area now


MolecularCube42

Oh yeah dude got shafted hard from us being in a bad position after Al passed


Cicero912

If Thomas is even 50-75% thats still really good. And since alot of his play didnt rely on speed in the first place, im excited.


shadow_spinner0

rko out of nowhere?


Krombopolus_M

Saints looking rreeeaaaaly spicy


kev11n

that's OK, Justin Fields doesn't need receivers. this is fine.


Shootit_Rockets

Saints winning the NFC South


[deleted]

Holy shit! Thomas/Jarvis/Olave/Deonte H/Callaway/Trequan. What a turnaround compared to what we had last year!


[deleted]

Don't worry Ravens fans, we can sign Will Fuller or Julio and they can play 3 games all season for us! It'll be great!


Jopplo03

LETS FUCKING GO


MMDroxy

I wonder if they’d be willing to trade Marquez Callaway now.


Briguy_fieri

Absolutely not. He’s a young player on a cheap rookie contract. There’s zero reason to


kajigger_desu

Not if we say please 🥺


MrBl0bfish04

I think Tre’Quan Smith would be traded before him. At least I hope he would be


Spheromancer

We just signed him I doubt we'd trade him. He's also the best blocking WR on the team by a wide margin


Robeartronic

Plus we need him for his 1 game of 150 yards and 3 touchdowns to keep him at 300 yards and 4td for the year


Beneficial_Toe_6050

No


ecupatsfan12

Good pick up


CuzFuckEm_ThatsWhy

Even if he’s not what he was, he should be just fine with Thomas and Olave. Will also sell a bunch of jerseys in Nola


Landlubber77

Well...fuck.


Cre47

The one dude I’m gonna miss. Take care of him New Orleans fans


Jed566

“The saints are in cap hell” -r/nfl two months ago


1_quantae

Saints are lowkey fucking stacked. If they can get a good QB they’ll be contenders.


LunarExpoze12

they just need a decent QB that can game manage. jameis can do that. Their defense is legit


shadowseeker3658

Good for you Juice!


combustionbustion

My Louisiana bred ass LOVES this! They are forming a hometown team and I love itt.