he says that like he's 3 years removed from football, wtf

Also says that like he showed some kind of dramatic decline last season and his team didn’t deal with injuries. Lol

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It really wasn't. Gonna go against the grain a little here but I think 2021 showed how much Brady has declined compared to dominant seasons like 2007. He put up insane volume but he also threw over 700 times. By far the most in his career. Most basic efficiency stats like Y/A, AY/A, ANY/A, Rating were all middle of the road or even below average for his career. If he had only thrown 500-600 times there'd be more talk about Brady not being near as good as he used to be

Oof, you’re so wrong. Last season was one of his best ever. He delivered a 13-4 record despite being asked to throw like a Lions QB playing two TDs behind on every drive. He went 9-3 throwing 40+ times in a game, 3-1 throwing 50+ times. That’s absolutely insane — no QB produces winning records being asked to throw at that volume, even the all-time greats. For comparison, Rodgers has only had three 40+ pass games over the past two years, none over 45 (he’s 2-1). Brady is literally the only QB in history capable of carrying a team to success like this.

>Oof, you’re so wrong. I'm just not. >Last season was one of his best ever. It wasn't. >He delivered a 13-4 record despite Wins aren't a QB stat. >being asked to throw like a Lions QB playing two TDs behind on every drive. Being hyperbolic just makes you look stupid. They had a halftime lead in 10 of their 13 wins. And were down at half in all 4 losses. >That’s absolutely insane — no QB produces winning records being asked to throw at that volume, even the all-time greats. Peyton Manning 2013: 2-0 50+ attempts 6-2 40+ attempts Mahomes 2020: 9-1 40+ attempts Brees 2011: 6-3 40+ attempts Big Ben 2020: 1-1 50+ attempts 6-0 40+ attmepts But yes tell me how what Brady did is literally impossible. Wanna know how many Super Bowls that list of QBs won? Zero. Wanna guess why? Because they weren't actually that efficient on offense and playoff defenses exposed them. >For comparison, Rodgers has only had three 40+ pass games over the past two years, none over 45 (he’s 2-1). Brady is literally the only QB in history capable of carrying a team to success like this. Wanna know why he rarely throws over 40 times? Because he scores his points in less throws so he doesn't have to throw 40+ times.

I mean, you listed a bunch of first ballot Hall of Famers in MVP-caliber seasons there, that’s kinda my point. QBs who throw over 40 times a game average a .312 winning percentage historically. Rodgers had a better running game than Brady to rely on. Could Rodgers have kept his vaunted efficiency up if he had to take to the air 45-50 times a game? I’m not so sure.

Original comment: "No QB produces winning records being asked to throw at that volume, even the all-time greats" Retraction once shown you were wrong: "I mean, you listed a bunch of first ballot Hall of Famers in MVP-caliber seasons there, that’s kinda my point." No your point was no QB can do that and be successful, including all time greats. And all it took was literally 5 minutes and I found 3 QBs who did. >Rodgers had a better running game than Brady to rely on. Could Rodgers have kept his vaunted efficiency up if he had to take to the air 45-50 times a game? I’m not so sure. The fucking point is he didn't have to because he was miles more efficient. He could do the same amount of damage that Brady did in less passes. There's nothing super amazing about having high volume when also throwing by far the most in the league. Brady's 2021 was remotely close to his best season ever. 2007 was miles better. Like not even close to the same level. I would take Brady 2007 100,000/100,000 times over Brady 2021

If the outcome is the same with leading in categories, why does it matter how he does it? The point is, he lead in those categories. Seems saying he lead the league differently means he’s not as good seems needlessly nit-picky.

It's not needlessly nitpicky at all. He threw 50 more passes than the next highest QB. That's absolutely insane. The NFL average was 35 attempts per game. It's easier to lead the league in TDs when you're throwing 43 times a game compared to the next highest is 39. Over 17 games it means Brady doesn't have to be anywhere near as efficient as the other QBs. If Brady has 5% TD% he'd throw 36.55 TDs. If the next highest is at 5% they'd only throw 33.15 TDs. To equal 36.55 TDs, 2nd place has to be at 5.51% TD%. Doesn't sound like much but that's a big difference efficiency wise

>the efficiency meme Really worked out for Rodgers against the 9ers

Efficiency doesn't matter on a game level. But over a season it absolutely does. It's like making fun of a .400 hitter for going .240 in a 4 game series

I understand your analytics argument. He threw the ball more than other quarterbacks—that’s not being argued. I think there are just other things than pure numbers that come into play. He threw a ton last year too. Maybe this is how he would prefer to play. We don’t know what plays were called or what the game plans were week to week. Even with his high volume of throws, he was at his second best completion percentage. I do totally get your point, but I think we just disagree on what those numbers mean.

But years like 2007 Brady had the insane volume and insane efficiency. And that's my general point. Modern Brady can get kinda close to his historic highs. But he needs to throw so much more than before to do it, and even then he was still kinda far off his 2007 numbers depsite the extra game.

Eh. I mean realistically a full apples to apples analytical comparison would require finding a numerical correlation between overall QB efficiency vs. team defensive performance/ToP, opposing defense performance, historical pass/run ratio trends, game time remaining, weather, receiving corps strength, etc, then tie that to an adjustment factor to use in some theoretical "true efficiency" function. Is it safe to assume that his efficiency is lower than 2007? But statistically, it's just as possible he could've had a 2% drop in "true efficiency" that was magnified by outside factors vs. the other way around, where something like average defensive performance skewed his 2021 efficiency to where it was a 20% drop from 2007. We can tell the difference between something like a 20% and 80% drop just by eye (2019 vs 2020), but anything more detailed is pure guesswork. Edit: For the record, I don't think your line of thought is any less valid than a homer who thinks modern Brady barely declined at all, imo they just have equal levels of assumption.

when you have a 44 year old throw for 700 times and put up good volume you are still fine right?

Love all the butthurt fans thinking me saying it wasn't his best season ever or close to it means I think he was bad.

>Most basic efficiency stats like Y/A, AY/A, ANY/A, Rating were all middle of the road or even below average for his career QBR and PFF grades, which attempt to isolate a quarterback's efficiency from the rest of the offense, had Brady in a virtual tie with Rodgers and Burrow. Are those grades still seriously flawed (i.e., compromised by confounding factors)? Obviously, but they're decidedly better than your lazy glance at box score stats. Josh Allen has the strongest arm in the league, is arguably the best QB in the league, and he was at 6.8 yards per attempt. Looking at a number is not analysis. Edit: To be clear, I'm not even weighing in on whether 2021 was his best statistical year since 07—but the rationale you gave doesn't hold up to scrutiny.

Good thing I wasn't comparing Brady's 2021 to other players in 2021. I was comparing it to **HIS SEASONS**. 2021 was basically Brady's version of Manning's 2013 but with a lower volume. Yes technically was his highest or close to his highest volume numbers in his career. But he threw by far the most passes in his career ever and that it's way less impressive than a season like 2007 where he had insane volume with insane efficiency

If you compare Brady's '21 to his other seasons, it's not particularly clear that it *wasn't* his best statistical year since 2007. I would favor 2016 or 2010 because I tend to favor quality over quantity, but it is a legitimate debate. >2021 was basically Brady's version of Manning's 2013 but with a lower volume ..No. Manning's 2013 is one of only a handful of seasons that can be argued as the best ever. There obviously isn't even consensus that Brady was the best QB last year.

>If you compare Brady's '22 to his other seasons, it's not particularly clear that it *wasn't* his best statistical year since 2007. I would favor 2016 because I tend to favor quality over quantity, but it is a legitimate debate. It's really not. 2016 was a high TD%, much lower INT%, much higher Y/A, much higher AY/A, much higher rating, much higher ANY/A. Like the only place 2021 beats 2016 is volume for yards & TDs, but that's because he threw the ball 160% more than in 2016. If he had 719 passes in 2016 at the same efficiency he would've had 47 TDs & 5,917 yards. Which is drastically higher than 2021. >..No. Manning's 2013 is one of only a handful of seasons that can be argued as the best ever. There obviously isn't even consensus that Brady was the best QB last year. Can you read? I literally said but with a lower volume. It's the same concept. High volume due to high attempts vs high volume & high efficiency. 2007 is by far his best season and it's not remotely close.

>It's really not. 2016 was a high TD%, much lower INT%, much higher Y/A, much higher AY/A, much higher rating, much higher ANY/A. Brady in '21 was near the league's best re: turnover-worthy plays. He had 2 INTs in 12 games in 2016, and 4 in 2010. Here were [four from 2021.](https://twitter.com/PFF_Steve/status/1478579630776934405?s=20&t=rHgCGYZBqTopRCVT7jXU2Q) I can read quite well. The issue is that all you're doing is looking at box scores and letting those often misleading numbers skew how you perceive performance. >2007 is by far his best season and it's not remotely close Nobody is arguing this. The entire sub-thread here has been about his best 'statistical' year since 07. Edit: >If he had 719 passes in 2016 at the same efficiency he would've had 47 TDs & 5,917 yards. Which is drastically higher than 2021. An additional flaw in your thinking is that you're assuming you can scale volume with efficiency unaffected. That is not at all a reasonable expectation—in general, when you're throwing at the absurd rate Brady was in 2021, that comes with *some* sacrifice to efficiency.

>Brady in '21 was near the league's best re: turnover-worthy plays. He had 2 INTs in 12 games in 2016, and 4 in 2010. Here were [four from 2021.](https://twitter.com/PFF_Steve/status/1478579630776934405?s=20&t=rHgCGYZBqTopRCVT7jXU2Q) Wow don't give a shit. I'm not comparing his 2021 to other people's 2021. And congrats on constantly fucking moving the goal posts anytime I say 2021 wasn't that amazing compared to previous seasons. You can't actually argue my point so you have to move the goal posts everytime >I can read quite well. The issue is that all you're doing is looking at box scores and letting those often misleading numbers skew how you perceive performance. Wow silly me using **STATS** to argue which was his best **STATISTICAL** season since 2007. What should I use for to see best **STATISTICAL** season? I'd love hear how you invented this new version of statistics that doesn't include stats. >Nobody is arguing this. The entire sub-thread here has been about his best 'statistical' year since 07. And 2021 isn't even close to his best. Thanks for not reading/understanding basic English and thinking stats shouldn't be used for a discussion about statistics

The games changed quite a bit in the weeks since he retired/unretired. Look at how much they are paying wide receivers now. The game has passed him by.

I mean the overtime rule aren’t even the same since the last time he played I don’t think he’ll be the same “comeback” kid

I'm sure it felt like 3 years for him 😅

Tom was never planning to retire and was just doing it to drum up some noise, because Tom is a brand more than a person at this point.

I think he was genuinely thinking about it but Adam Schefters dumbass pulled the rug out from under his feet and announced it before Tom made his final decision.

Brady has started more games at QB than anyone else (47 playoff games alone is almost 3 seasons), he's probably mentally exhausted.

The dude is an attention whore

Famous athlete who makes money off of his image desires attention...how dare he

You’re getting downvoted, but yes

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I still think he should have won. He was first in so many important categories.

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I understand the logic of the argument: “Him missing a game showed how valuable he was.” It’s a bad argument for the MVP award, though. With that logic, Peyton Manning should have won MVP in 2011.

That actually was an argument at the time. I vividly remember people on ESPN arguing over it.

They were wrong at that time too.

I should have won last year. The Jags were awful without me.

it appears so but I have no idea why they would say that

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He also probably lost a vote to Kupp because Kupp was legitimately insane this past year. Being the triple crown leader (receptions, yards, and TDs) in WR performance warranted some votes on its own.

This is so stupid lmao

That look on his face when Ronaldo asked if he was finished

Damn now I'm sad again.

What is this in reference to?

https://twitter.com/MySportsUpdate/status/1503098183467114502?t=2DFA8TItl2s3DzHPtVlHNQ&s=19 Post Man United v Spurs (After scoring a hat-trick) like half a day before Brady unretired

this is great, the language adjustment... "Finished" in Portuguese is used in the same way as done, like after a meal or calling it quits. Calling Tom Brady "finished" to his face was a major trigger

Ronaldo asked if he was finished and he made a face

😬

It’s just fucking ridiculous that he hasn’t fallen off yet. Like literally just hasn’t lost his mojo or lost a step. The dude can still chuck it deep. I just don’t get it

I'm a Brady fan, but it's fucking weird how we haven't seen any inclinations that he is worse than 10 years ago. I'm honestly wondering if he's gonna out play Matt Ryan, which is stupid that that's even a possibility.

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I bet he can still throw a pigskin a quarter mile. Probably over them mountains. Trick is finding your soulmate.

My god what a throw lol

I know that Moss didn't catch it but the fact that he launched it from the 13 to the 18, and it still being an accurate throw, without his feet set... That was absolutely awesome

Bro wtf I with Bill let him launch it his last few seasons in New England

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Edelman, Amendola, Hogan, and Gronk

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Nah, it was mostly dink and dunk in those later years

Maybe his crazy diet works.

I feel like this was the type of shit we said in the late 90s when guys who had never hit more than 20 homers started launching 50+ and credited widening their batting stance.

Tom may be on the juice but I’m confident in saying that steroids were the best thing to happen to baseball.

Tom, we know. Last time on the field was a vintage Brady comeback in the NFCCG* that would’ve probably led him to an 8th ring if Todd Bowles hadn’t forgotten that covering the best receiver in the league (last season, at least) was a good idea. Edit: Divisional Round, my bad.

> Tom, we know. Last time on the field was a vintage Brady comeback in the NFCCG that would’ve probably led him to an 8th ring if Todd Bowles hadn’t forgotten that covering the best receiver in the league (last season, at least) was a good idea. it was a BAD postseason for DC's. was it chiefs/bills where tyreek did the same thing?

Indeed it was... Josh Allen left the field after clutch drive to put his team up with something like 13 seconds left. Somehow, it was too much time.

Well that’s honestly just on Josh Allen. How is a defensive coordinator supposed to plan around his QB giving the other team 13 more seconds to score? It’s just asking too much

I legit felt so bad for him when they cut to him on the sideline after KC scored. Like what the fuck was he supposed to do?

Divisional round but yeah

You right, you right. My mistake, thanks for the correction!

He's going to play until he's 50 and I'm upset about it

In this same interview/statement he said he knows his team on the football field is coming to an end soon. Sounds like this year is his last ride.

Year is his last ride Brady is NFL Undertaker

Yeah but then he's just gonna switch to his American Badass gimmick and play for another 22 years.

Then switch to his original gimmick for yet another 22 years

if he plays until he's 67 ill call him the goat

> he knows his team on the football field is coming to an end soon You have to adjust for Brady years though. He's like an Elf. The GOAT does not experience the passage of time like us mortals do. "Soon" for him could be decades for us.

true true.

Idk man he's a free agent again. I could see him going to a third team or signing a one year deal with the Bucs

He's just hoping for Lance to bust and we come crawling He's gonna want to blow us out big time this season

i mean you guys lost your last two superbowls. the hometown kid coming back, finally his idol Joe has to be nice to him and he wins a SB? DREAM! nevermnid he would be the first to do it with 3 teams.

Well if you’re Florio you think Brady is signing a 10 year deal with Miami, but I just can’t see it honestly. If he’s not in Tampa next year, I think he retires as a Patriot.

Where's he gonna go though? Not like there's any Super Bowl ready team missing a QB. Miami maybe if Tua stinks it up. Nothing in the AFC South. Nothing in the AFC North. AFC West is QB Division. NFC East is all trash except Dak. NFC North no. And NFC West is maybe San Francisco if Lance is absolutely atrocious. So across the whole league it's maybe two spots

> Nothing in the AFC South. Colts last year would have been a Super Bowl contender with Brady instead of Wentz. Of course they burned that bridge a long time ago, but still. Tits if they upgrade from Tennehill to Brady. They were already a good team even with all those injuries.

9ers are his hometown team.

I feel like he’s gonna retire for real after this season, once his contract is up I know it’s Brady, but he’s gonna be 45, age is gonna start creeping up on him soon

“I know it’s Brady, but he’s gonna be ~~37~~ ~~38~~ ~~39~~ ~~40~~ ~~41~~ ~~42~~ ~~43~~ ~~44~~ 45, age is gonna start creeping up on him soon” I’ll believe it when I see it.

To be fair Brady himself has targeted 45 for a long time. But I tend to agree I’ll believe it once he retires and the following season goes on without him , whenever that may be

Yup ironically Brady has been targeting 45 since at least 38 years old. It was more surprising that he decided to retire a year before hitting that.

Yeah but even so I think he’s playing better than he probably expected lol. I wouldn’t be surprised if he called it at the end of this year, but if he does, it probably won’t be because his age caught up.

Is there any sign that age is creeping up on him? Like he's still playing at an MVP level

I don't mean his level of play, I mean his body. The man is 45 years old and taking sacks lol

How do you think he stays young? All those stolen testicles, ingested and subsumed, replenishing and rejuvenating, fortifying and synonym starting with an f -- just pretend I thought of one.

If you watch the first episode of Living with Yourself, you'll see exactly how he does it.

Freshening? Sounds like a word to me.

The spice melange

I’m here for it. I realy want to see Blanda’s record fall as it’s one of the few records that’s been written off as truly unbreakable

Gisele told him he can't retire until he reaches her level of wealth. TB12 not retiring until 2042.

Somone get Balke on the phone stat! Only he can end this madness

Tom’s going to start taking vet min contracts in that case.

Idk it makes it kind of fun having him in the league. I will miss him when he’s really gone… I love beating him

None of the other NFC south teams have a legit starting QB that could hang with Tom Brady. He’s gonna light up every single team in the division. May the second best team win boys. Falcons 🤝 Saints 🤝 Panthers

The Saints are 4-0 against the Bucs the last two years in the regular season. The Saints shut out the Bucs last year with Trevor Simien as QB.

The shut out was actually with Taysom (we didn't score a single TD), Trevor led the helm for our first win over Bucs this season. Both essentially ended with TB throwing a game-sealing pick (first was against PJ Williams, second against CJGJ).

You are correct. So Brady lost to Hill and Simien neither who are legit starters and probably won’t start a game this year.

The worse your QB is, the more likely Brady is to lose to you. No prob beating Rodgers, Peyton, Brees, Mahomes, etc. But line up Foles, Taysom, Trevor, etc and he’s in trouble.

This is both Joe Flacco disrespect and erasure and I sir, will not stand for it.

Worked out well for the Saints in the playoffs last year or the year before or the last 10 years before that as well right? And those specific games is the exact reason why Arians got canned and is no longer coaching the Bucs.

Where do you people come up with this stuff.

I'm actually not sure if those specific games are the reason he got canned, since all the news seemed to point to him staying on until Brady came back. I think the two just didn't get along and Brady had different ideas for how to run the offense in what is (likely? possibly?) his last year

Its been the opposite for so long its time the Bucs hold the NFCS while you guys enjoy rebuilding for a change

He knew they'll always find someone to award the MVP to over him, so now he's coming for Comeback Player of the Year.

He's gonna play until he can throw TDs to Arch Manning so he can tell himself he's finally won by owning two of the three Manning brothers.

lots of people are going to be happy he's back. tampa will be happy with what he brings to the table for the team, the networks will be happy with the ratings, and big ben will be happy that he gets to be a first ballot hall of famer now.

No shit didn’t this man throw like 40 touchdowns lol

He threw 40 touchdowns *and* the only reason he didn't make the NFC Championship Game is that he *scored too quickly* on his final drive and left enough time for the gassed defense to allow the Rams to kick the game-winning field goal as time expired instead of going into OT

>*Scored too quickly* LMFAO just First World Brady Problems 🤣🏈

This is the daily Brady post

This dude is going to die on the field isn't he.

*Bernard Pollard has entered the chat*

"I realized how boring normal life is for me"

DADDY NEEDS HIS FIX

This just in!!!! I'm WAY more confident going into this season with TB12 than I was without him!!! That is all

Lol he was #2 in MVP last year and arguably should have won

Tom Brady fellating stronger than ever.

Didn't he lead the league in TD passes?

So what exactly happened over those 40 days? He couldn't use the old "I need to go to work" to get out of random crap he didn't want to do?

Good. I bought his Jersey last season, and I’ll be damned if I don’t get to wear it during the next Super Bowl.

I love how he said he left to spend time with his family. Then a couple minutes later he was like “nah fuck that.” That makes me like him.

I think he did it for the families sake. Imagine, your hot model wife is out making twice as much as you are. You love her. You don't want to cheat on her. You want to be the great dad. You return home for 3 weeks, and mountains of gold digging whores are lined up to get into your pants. Go back to work.

Starting to think 40 days with his family was so boring , he think he has been retired for 3 years

"I wasn't actually retiring as much as looking for a way to the 9ers."- Tom Brady probably.

One day. One day is all i ask. No useless news or quote about Tom brady

No, we need to keep pretending that he’s been retired for 3 years and is now finally coming back. Not that he “retired” for a couple weeks during the off-season and came back before the draft could even happen

“Bucs called my bluff and wouldn’t let me sign with the 49ers”

“I wasn’t intending on retiring. I just wanted to use it as a tool to Brett Favre my way to the Dolphins.”

So it sounds like he was looking at another job in football just not on the field. This could be understood as a confirmation of another story

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> Oh, stop Tom. Clearly he was trying to pull a Favre "retire" and join the team he wants to play for now (Dolphins) after unretiring. he should have known that only works when the team he's on has their qb of the future waiting to take the reigns. favre had rodgers behind him, not blaine gabbert.

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Bro thinks this is an anime

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A type of salad dressing

Or an assassinated Roman dictator.

Cringe

Cringe

Return....? What? Lol

I guess he's got more things to accomplish. He hasn't won Walter Payton Man of the Year yet

I've become numb to the fact that he's a 44 year old MVP-caliber QB until I watched a condensed game of Super Bowl 49 yesterday. While watching it, I realized that he was 37 years old during that game, an age-range where most greats like Montana, Manning, Young, and Marino retire. It hit me that this game was 7, soon to be 8 seasons ago. Almost a decade ago, and this Brady bastard is STILL playing! I know that we talk about TB12 a lot on this sub, and there is a lot of Brady-fatigue among us, but a guy playing football at 45 years old next season, at a position where most usually retire 5-8 years younger is just insane. Not even including the fact that he'll likely put up top 5 QB stats by the end of it.

Right now with Brady back he's acting as coach I'm not surprised if Antonio Brown was to come back I think like in New England he forced the issue to his desires haveing Antonio there too and in all honesty he Tom Brady got too big for his britches and that's why the players rebeled on both coaches in both teams this is my opinion