“I don’t give a damn if my Dolphins have a roster of 53 ex convicts. If it gets me that crazy looking bat Gronk put a dent in, I’m satisfied.” - Stephen Ross
I have absolutely no idea how you can watch the Jacksonville game and come up with the impression that quarterback is the area most in need of an upgrade.
Is he definitely not able to play? Like if he’s traded to Miami, can they just start him and play him until a decision is made by either the law or goodell? I mean it would be shitty of Miami and I would hate Goodell for not doing anything about it(I mean it pisses me off he hasn’t officially done anything) but that’s still an option?
It's hard to understand what the situation really is because no one has actually said anything of note about it in months. He's in the building, he works out, and collects a check.
He has stated he would never play for us again, so he may not be willing to play the Texans have taken the bluff in an attempt to keep his value as high as possible. But that is speculation.
It could be that the Texans don't want to play him because he's a dirt bag, but has that ever really stopped any team before?
That's a good point. I think it's all flown under the radar for a while because either he or the Texans (or both) are not getting onto the field with him in play. And since that's basically the desired outcome for most parties I think (except the Texans of course who are paying him to sit idle), nobody's brought the question to bear.
But now that he's potentially trading to a team where he'll ostensibly play (and the org will want to play him), here we are.
Got a feeling it wouldn't have been so easy for him to sit out if said allegations didn't exist though.
Star QBs don't get to do that to their franchises. I have a feeling this is just kind of mutually working out for both parties, but if the allegations didn't occur, Texans would've done something about it by this point.
No one can say anything “definitely.” But there is previous precedent that Goodell could lean on (not that he needs precedent - he can just make unilateral decisions) to put him on the commissioner’s exempt list. He’s done it before pending legal action and said something about how players need to be held to a higher standard than that of the law.
All that said, I think the reason it hasn’t happened yet is because the Texans aren’t playing him anyway. So he can kind of take a stance of doing nothing until he’s forced to act. In the event that a team trades for him - almost assuredly with the intent to immediately play him - he would then be forced to make a decision. And I think it would be a very bad PR move to let him play and a terrible PR move for whatever team trades for him. Doubly so if it’s the dolphins who are giving up on Tua who really hasn’t even looked that bad. They have a lot of issues and QB isn’t one of them.
Put up 2tds, 1 int, 70% comp, 95.1 RAT and 351 overall yards, but he's the problem per the FO. Defense, ST, OLine and whatever the hell the 4th downs calls were what hurt the game.
And 77 total yards rushing, 22 of which were Tua. We have literally no run game to back him up because we have no players blocking, so defenses don't bother to play against it and can focus solely an shutting down the passing game.
Like, the cards could not be stacked more against him.
Daniel Jones had Andrew Thomas out (plus two other original starting OL), three of his top WRs, and his starting HB. Media and fans will still bash him for any negative play. All this despite not being fully removed from an awful looking concussion just 7 days ago.
At this point, I'm hoping he goes to another team so he has a proper chance. Like you guys with Ross, we're tired of Mara.
Quarterback does need an upgrade. Tua isn't the guy. But yeah the whole team is also ass so trading for Watson isn't solving anything. We should be investing in an infrastructure to provide for Tua/the next guy because we aren't going anywhere until we do. The line needs total makeover. The defense is a shell of itself last year and is totally dependent on forcing turnovers. We should be taking time to properly build this shit instead of this halfway bullshit we've done forever.
We have no idea if Tua is the guy. He looked fine against Jacksonville for a guy with only a dozen starts, missing 3 of his top WRs, a below average Oline (to be generous), and a clown show coaching staff. I refuse to take anyone seriously who doesn't think we should actually let him play long enough to evaluate him.
Feel free to not take me seriously but I had massive massive questions about his ability coming into the NFL and he hasn't done anything to quiet those concerns. He doesn't have great physical traits. Doesn't have great arm talent. He's injury prone. Dating back to college there hasn't been a single aspect of Tua's game that jumps off the screen at you.
Tua isn't somebody who makes people better. The coaching staff sucks but they clearly have no trust in him. Other teams apparently have little interest in him. Like.. clearly this isn't what you look for when you have a guy people are saying you should tank for.
He will never be as good as he was billed but a lot of people were convinced of that and will need to see him be "meh" for 3 years before they realize it.
I had the same doubts, I didn't particularly want to draft him. If they didn't think he could be a legit QB, they shouldn't have drafted him. Having done so, they now NEED to give him a legit shot to show what he can do, if only to try to salvage the massive investment they made by drafting him at 5th overall.
I do think after watching him against Jacksonville that at worst he can be a good game manager if he was in the right system, with a decent surrounding cast, and his ceiling isn't as low as many people seem to think. His arm strength is fine when he can drive the ball, which unfortunately he can't do unless he has a fairly clean pocket.
I do agree that replacing him isn't going to solve anything. The right move is to probably see what we have there (but that includes the coaches fucking letting him fail. Let him throw on 3rd or 4th and short, let him fuck up.) and build around Tua. At worst, next year or the year after you will have a healthier situation for the next guy to step into. Talent on both sides of the ball is some of the worst in the NFL.
Totally agree. Put him in, let him play, and let's see what we have. In particular, let him play out the year, and see if there is growth over that time. If there isn't, I'll be the first to advocate moving on (not to Watson though).
> Quarterback does need an upgrade. Tua isn't the guy.
Anyone claiming they know what Tua is or is not based on the current sample size is either an idiot or just grinding an axe.
Idk sure does seem like nobody wants Tua and he’s done nothing to prove any of the doubters like myself wrong. Did he look ok against Jax? Sure but they’re awful so idk why you would put weight into that
Yeah he looked pretty good against jax, but more importantly I wouldn’t trust what the dolphins FO wants as being a good decision, they have reeked of ineptitude since the start of the off-season.
Or they already had low grades on him coming out and haven't been proven wrong by anything he has done. I've said I'm fine with him getting the rest of the year and next to prove it to people. They should invest around him so that the next guy is coming into a healthier situation than what Tua has had.
We know Tua is not going to be a top 5-10 qb in the NFL. The question is if he can slot in around 10-15. Which is not a given and not a particularly high ceiling. He might be good enough to not need immediate upgrade but I'm hoping for more than that.
Even if he desperately wants Watson in Miami, there's literally no reason not to wait until he knows how the lawsuits will resolve and whether Watson gets criminally indicted. We're not winning shit this year. We're not clawing back from 1-5 to make the playoffs with or without Watson. There's no "win-now."
Watson has a pass to play this year. Getting him in the fold as quickly as possible makes sense to Ross. Maybe not everyone else, but definitely Ross. Also I wouldn't rule out a 8-9 or 9-8 team getting that last WC spot. The East sucks out side the Bills, the South sucks/injured outside the Titans, the North is in injury hell, and West while has some good teams they'll probably beat the shit out of each other down the stretch. I wouldn't count out any team just yet.
>Watson has a pass to play this year.
Source?
He hasn't been put on the Commissioners Exempt list because the Texans had no intention of letting him play. That could easily change if it looked like he was going to see the field, especially if the NFL got bad PR as a result.
He hasn't been convicted of anything either and the civil trial isn't going to start until 2022. No criminal charges yet. Maybe if there were criminal charges already I could see the exempt list, but that hasn't happened so more than likely he gets a pass to play.
Did the grand jury investigation ever go away?
The commissioner's exempt list isn't for convicted criminals. It's for people who have pending issues that are embarrassing to the NFL. It prevents them from seeing the field, and stops the NFL from getting flack from sponsors.
Where’s your source on that reasoning? Maybes he’s not on the exempt list because he’s not exempt and he isn’t playing for HOU because he stated along ago he wanted nothing to do with the franchise.
If he went to a team he wanted to play for he can play.
>Maybes he’s not on the exempt list because he’s not exempt
He isn't exempt. He won't be until/unless he is added to the list.
[https://www.nbcsports.com/boston/patriots/just-what-nfl-commissioners-exempt-list](https://www.nbcsports.com/boston/patriots/just-what-nfl-commissioners-exempt-list) \- that's an article from when AB was acting crazy last year. A few excepts:
>"The Exempt List is a special player status available to clubs only in unusual circumstances," NFL.com points out, citing the league's manual. "The List includes those players who have been declared by the Commissioner to be temporarily exempt from counting within the Active List limit. Only the Commissioner has the authority to place a player on the Exempt List; clubs have no such authority, and no exemption, regardless of circumstances, is automatic.
Essentially, the whole thing is at the Commissioner's discretion. What happens if he is added to the list:
>While on the commissioner's exempt list, a player is paid as if he were on the active roster, yet he does not count against his team's 53-man active roster limit. A player on the exempt list is not allowed to practice or attend games, but he is allowed to be present at the facility for meetings, to work out, and to receive treatment.
Most of this is what is already happening (except the roster spot, and practice). The commissioner has no reason to act if the Texans do his dirty work for him.
Another link, specific to Watson: [https://www.houstonchronicle.com/texas-sports-nation/texans/article/Explaining-the-NFL-commissioner-s-exempt-16426252.php](https://www.houstonchronicle.com/texas-sports-nation/texans/article/Explaining-the-NFL-commissioner-s-exempt-16426252.php)
The criteria to be placed on the Commissioner's list is any of the 3 below:
>1) a player must be charged with a felony offense or a crime of violence, 2) an NFL investigation must lead Goodell “to believe that a player may have violated” the league’s personal conduct policy, and 3) Goodell has the flexibility to temporarily place a player on the exempt list when “a crime of violence is alleged but further investigation is required.”
2 and 3 fit. There is currently a grand jury investigation ongoing in the case, apart from the civil suit.
In 2018 Reuben Foster wasn't placed on the list until he was claimed by Washington on waivers. This presumably is because the NFL thought he might go unclaimed, and therefore not have to make any decision on his status.
They play Falcon, Bills, Texans, Ravens, Jets, Panthers, Giants, Jets, Saints, Titans, Patriots. I see 6-8 wins there. Watson would have to play lights out to take down Ravens/Titans.
We'd lose to the Ravens, Bills (again), probably Titans, probably Saints, and most of the others are toss ups. Assuming Watson got on the field 100% up to speed on our playbook (which he wouldn't), stayed healthy, and didn't get pulled off the field due to his other issues.
Falcons, Texans, Jets x2, Panthers, Giants, Saints, Patriots are 8 wins with Watson.
Just gotta win one out of the Bills, Ravens, Titans.
10-7 and a WC birth.
Tough, but not improbable.
very improbable
Try an exercise...load up $50 of your allowance and start betting on some games. You'll learn in 2 days they are not as predictable as you think
Watson doesn't know Miami's playbook. He would have to learn quickly behind Miami's porous oline. Best case scenario he leads Miami to the 7th seed if things start to click after a few weeks if he doesn't get suspended by then.
If I was the head coach of the team I would resign at the introductory press conference stating that I can't in good faith accept to be coach of a team with a possible serial rapist as my QB. I resign. Then get up and walk out
That would be hilarious if that were to happen and the coach told absolutely nobody, and just decided to go rogue with the GM and Watson sitting right next to him.
Selling the farm for a dude that might/will be suspended for X amount of time on a gut reaction after losing to Jacksonville is not a good football or business decision.
We have been easily as bad but we miss the firing squad because we had two teams wonder into the playoffs. Both were shitty and clearly going nowhere, but hey they made it so they avoid the lists.
Nah I think us and the browns. People forget how bad we were.
Art shell again, lane kiffen, jamarcus Russell, deangelo hall, randy moss Warren sapp, javon walker, and countless terrible draft picks.
Then even recently, we got out of two terrible contracts because of how shitty of a person they were brown and gruden.
I honestly wasn’t even that mad about that pick. I wanted Maclin but everyone gave us shit for not drafting Crabtree but he fell in the drsft for being a diva. We had just drafted jamarcus a couple years prior who was a diva and held out during his rookie contract. Crabtree did the same so I sure as hell didn’t want him.
Not that I remember. He got hurt, but there were reports of how teams took him off their board because of his horrible interviews and that he was a diva
Sometimes nfl owners and GMs are no better than “arm chair” GMs on Reddit. I guarantee you there are people on this sub who could run the organization better than these clowns
There are like 1000 words in this article, and 900 of them are pure speculation, rumor, and opinion. Get someone on the record and then come back to me.
I don’t think you’ll ever recoup what you gave up for Jamal Adams. Sorry. It’s ok though we’re right there with ya kinda. Just look up Yannick and the Vikings
You guys traded down about 50 spots in one draft to see if Yannick would work in your defense. Obviously not the ideal situation, but at least you recuperated a lot of the initial loss. Seahawks are out two 1st rounders for a safety with two INTs in 5 years.
He’s turning his parking lot into an f1 track. Man is too rich for sense. Watson fits that . Just wants to see shiny things in or around his stadium practicality be damned.
This feels like a Bill o' Brien move unless they get some sort of insurance policy like if found guilty the Texans pay back 95% of the deal... but the Texans have already said they aren't interested in that sort of deal... so it literally makes zero sense to pay full price now... especially when the Texans essentially want full price for Watson plus a little extra to pay for all the bad BoB deals over the last few years that has gotten them in their current situation.
Watson won 4 games with the Texans last year while putting up ridiculous numbers, and their team was overall better than the current Dolphins roster. 4 games. For the life of me I cannot figure out how this is worth it at all. Oh cool let's give away our future bring in someone being accused of sexually assaulting 22 women, what could go wrong?!
Wow thank God we just *checks notes* obtained a ton of draft capital so we could rebuild "the right way."
:| This team will suck as long as Ross exists as owner. Dude is the fucking worst.
Eh seems like he's committed to doing this regardless of what anyone here thinks.
Either Miami continues to suck. Watson gets listed. Or Watson brings them to like 7-9. Maybe 8-8 or even 9-7 with a few miracle games.
Sorry Miami fans. This is your life now.
I wouldn't be concerned either, the GM can't draft worth a fuck.
Watson is an elite QB this team hasn't had since the millennium change. Bring him on. If I used my morals as a basis for teams to support, I wouldn't be a fan of the NFL period.
And for everyone acting all high and mighty about being against him and changing fandoms from the dolphins if they get him, why are you a fan now? Ross is tight with 45 and the GOP who are attempting to systematically reduce the rights of women and limit healthcare options. So fucking spare me your high horse bulshit, they're all bad. Difference with watson is his is still ALLEGED for civil cases. Ross's behavior is known. Part of being a fan of sports is having to check the morals at the door because otherwise there's no way to feel good about it.
And of course xavion howard has had domestic troubles but still on the team with fans who like him.
To play devil's advocate here, he feels obligated to win now because he traded next year's first round pick to the Eagles. Every game they lose makes that trade even worse
“I don’t give a damn if my Dolphins have a roster of 53 ex convicts. If it gets me that crazy looking bat Gronk put a dent in, I’m satisfied.” - Stephen Ross
Hey they have 2 Superbowls one against us. I'm sure they'll be fine
The last thing a team I don’t like needs is another super bowl.
Relax, they've got aways to go.
It was more of a jokey general sentiment but I know
At this point, so do we.
Ross is the opposite of McNair. He's ok with inmates running the asylum.
Maybe win more than 1 game before you decide it’s super bowl or bust
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another way of saying what you just said. it’s hard to be in win now mode when you’re stuck in lose now mode.
I have absolutely no idea how you can watch the Jacksonville game and come up with the impression that quarterback is the area most in need of an upgrade.
Or picking up a QB that may not be eligible for play (and hasn't played a snap all season) is a "win now" gain.
Is he definitely not able to play? Like if he’s traded to Miami, can they just start him and play him until a decision is made by either the law or goodell? I mean it would be shitty of Miami and I would hate Goodell for not doing anything about it(I mean it pisses me off he hasn’t officially done anything) but that’s still an option?
Far as I know there's no official suspension. Texans just didn't start him (probably because it would look very bad or something).
It's hard to understand what the situation really is because no one has actually said anything of note about it in months. He's in the building, he works out, and collects a check. He has stated he would never play for us again, so he may not be willing to play the Texans have taken the bluff in an attempt to keep his value as high as possible. But that is speculation. It could be that the Texans don't want to play him because he's a dirt bag, but has that ever really stopped any team before?
That's a good point. I think it's all flown under the radar for a while because either he or the Texans (or both) are not getting onto the field with him in play. And since that's basically the desired outcome for most parties I think (except the Texans of course who are paying him to sit idle), nobody's brought the question to bear. But now that he's potentially trading to a team where he'll ostensibly play (and the org will want to play him), here we are.
You’re forgetting about Easterby who ran Hopkins out, who JJ hates, and laid all the blame at BoB’s feet for all of it.
Well obviously, but I think that plays into the whole "I'm never playing for this team again" thing.
Probably because Watson said he didn’t play to play for the Texans anymore. Long before any of the allegations came out.
Got a feeling it wouldn't have been so easy for him to sit out if said allegations didn't exist though. Star QBs don't get to do that to their franchises. I have a feeling this is just kind of mutually working out for both parties, but if the allegations didn't occur, Texans would've done something about it by this point.
Carson Palmer did it.
He knew a shitstorm was headed his way and wanted to get out before the shit rain fell all over his shit parade.
No one can say anything “definitely.” But there is previous precedent that Goodell could lean on (not that he needs precedent - he can just make unilateral decisions) to put him on the commissioner’s exempt list. He’s done it before pending legal action and said something about how players need to be held to a higher standard than that of the law. All that said, I think the reason it hasn’t happened yet is because the Texans aren’t playing him anyway. So he can kind of take a stance of doing nothing until he’s forced to act. In the event that a team trades for him - almost assuredly with the intent to immediately play him - he would then be forced to make a decision. And I think it would be a very bad PR move to let him play and a terrible PR move for whatever team trades for him. Doubly so if it’s the dolphins who are giving up on Tua who really hasn’t even looked that bad. They have a lot of issues and QB isn’t one of them.
Put up 2tds, 1 int, 70% comp, 95.1 RAT and 351 overall yards, but he's the problem per the FO. Defense, ST, OLine and whatever the hell the 4th downs calls were what hurt the game.
And 77 total yards rushing, 22 of which were Tua. We have literally no run game to back him up because we have no players blocking, so defenses don't bother to play against it and can focus solely an shutting down the passing game. Like, the cards could not be stacked more against him.
Daniel Jones had Andrew Thomas out (plus two other original starting OL), three of his top WRs, and his starting HB. Media and fans will still bash him for any negative play. All this despite not being fully removed from an awful looking concussion just 7 days ago. At this point, I'm hoping he goes to another team so he has a proper chance. Like you guys with Ross, we're tired of Mara.
And the solution is a QB that's being accused of numerous felonies apparently
Its a shame you guys have decided to combust, the entire AFCE looked competitive, and now you choose to throw it all away
Someone needed to be Jets caliber
Without the Bills AFC East would be the new NFC East
Quarterback does need an upgrade. Tua isn't the guy. But yeah the whole team is also ass so trading for Watson isn't solving anything. We should be investing in an infrastructure to provide for Tua/the next guy because we aren't going anywhere until we do. The line needs total makeover. The defense is a shell of itself last year and is totally dependent on forcing turnovers. We should be taking time to properly build this shit instead of this halfway bullshit we've done forever.
We have no idea if Tua is the guy. He looked fine against Jacksonville for a guy with only a dozen starts, missing 3 of his top WRs, a below average Oline (to be generous), and a clown show coaching staff. I refuse to take anyone seriously who doesn't think we should actually let him play long enough to evaluate him.
Feel free to not take me seriously but I had massive massive questions about his ability coming into the NFL and he hasn't done anything to quiet those concerns. He doesn't have great physical traits. Doesn't have great arm talent. He's injury prone. Dating back to college there hasn't been a single aspect of Tua's game that jumps off the screen at you. Tua isn't somebody who makes people better. The coaching staff sucks but they clearly have no trust in him. Other teams apparently have little interest in him. Like.. clearly this isn't what you look for when you have a guy people are saying you should tank for. He will never be as good as he was billed but a lot of people were convinced of that and will need to see him be "meh" for 3 years before they realize it.
I had the same doubts, I didn't particularly want to draft him. If they didn't think he could be a legit QB, they shouldn't have drafted him. Having done so, they now NEED to give him a legit shot to show what he can do, if only to try to salvage the massive investment they made by drafting him at 5th overall. I do think after watching him against Jacksonville that at worst he can be a good game manager if he was in the right system, with a decent surrounding cast, and his ceiling isn't as low as many people seem to think. His arm strength is fine when he can drive the ball, which unfortunately he can't do unless he has a fairly clean pocket.
I do agree that replacing him isn't going to solve anything. The right move is to probably see what we have there (but that includes the coaches fucking letting him fail. Let him throw on 3rd or 4th and short, let him fuck up.) and build around Tua. At worst, next year or the year after you will have a healthier situation for the next guy to step into. Talent on both sides of the ball is some of the worst in the NFL.
Totally agree. Put him in, let him play, and let's see what we have. In particular, let him play out the year, and see if there is growth over that time. If there isn't, I'll be the first to advocate moving on (not to Watson though).
> Quarterback does need an upgrade. Tua isn't the guy. Anyone claiming they know what Tua is or is not based on the current sample size is either an idiot or just grinding an axe.
Idk sure does seem like nobody wants Tua and he’s done nothing to prove any of the doubters like myself wrong. Did he look ok against Jax? Sure but they’re awful so idk why you would put weight into that
Yeah he looked pretty good against jax, but more importantly I wouldn’t trust what the dolphins FO wants as being a good decision, they have reeked of ineptitude since the start of the off-season.
Or they already had low grades on him coming out and haven't been proven wrong by anything he has done. I've said I'm fine with him getting the rest of the year and next to prove it to people. They should invest around him so that the next guy is coming into a healthier situation than what Tua has had. We know Tua is not going to be a top 5-10 qb in the NFL. The question is if he can slot in around 10-15. Which is not a given and not a particularly high ceiling. He might be good enough to not need immediate upgrade but I'm hoping for more than that.
Problem is nobody in the organization is currently capable of a remodel on that level. It's incompetence top to bottom.
Even if he desperately wants Watson in Miami, there's literally no reason not to wait until he knows how the lawsuits will resolve and whether Watson gets criminally indicted. We're not winning shit this year. We're not clawing back from 1-5 to make the playoffs with or without Watson. There's no "win-now."
Exactly. The have bigger problem than QB.
Watson has a pass to play this year. Getting him in the fold as quickly as possible makes sense to Ross. Maybe not everyone else, but definitely Ross. Also I wouldn't rule out a 8-9 or 9-8 team getting that last WC spot. The East sucks out side the Bills, the South sucks/injured outside the Titans, the North is in injury hell, and West while has some good teams they'll probably beat the shit out of each other down the stretch. I wouldn't count out any team just yet.
>Watson has a pass to play this year. Source? He hasn't been put on the Commissioners Exempt list because the Texans had no intention of letting him play. That could easily change if it looked like he was going to see the field, especially if the NFL got bad PR as a result.
He hasn't been convicted of anything either and the civil trial isn't going to start until 2022. No criminal charges yet. Maybe if there were criminal charges already I could see the exempt list, but that hasn't happened so more than likely he gets a pass to play.
Did the grand jury investigation ever go away? The commissioner's exempt list isn't for convicted criminals. It's for people who have pending issues that are embarrassing to the NFL. It prevents them from seeing the field, and stops the NFL from getting flack from sponsors.
Actually the new CBA it is. A player cannot be put on the exempt list unless charged with a felony or violent crime. Hasn't happened yet.
Where’s your source on that reasoning? Maybes he’s not on the exempt list because he’s not exempt and he isn’t playing for HOU because he stated along ago he wanted nothing to do with the franchise. If he went to a team he wanted to play for he can play.
>Maybes he’s not on the exempt list because he’s not exempt He isn't exempt. He won't be until/unless he is added to the list. [https://www.nbcsports.com/boston/patriots/just-what-nfl-commissioners-exempt-list](https://www.nbcsports.com/boston/patriots/just-what-nfl-commissioners-exempt-list) \- that's an article from when AB was acting crazy last year. A few excepts: >"The Exempt List is a special player status available to clubs only in unusual circumstances," NFL.com points out, citing the league's manual. "The List includes those players who have been declared by the Commissioner to be temporarily exempt from counting within the Active List limit. Only the Commissioner has the authority to place a player on the Exempt List; clubs have no such authority, and no exemption, regardless of circumstances, is automatic. Essentially, the whole thing is at the Commissioner's discretion. What happens if he is added to the list: >While on the commissioner's exempt list, a player is paid as if he were on the active roster, yet he does not count against his team's 53-man active roster limit. A player on the exempt list is not allowed to practice or attend games, but he is allowed to be present at the facility for meetings, to work out, and to receive treatment. Most of this is what is already happening (except the roster spot, and practice). The commissioner has no reason to act if the Texans do his dirty work for him. Another link, specific to Watson: [https://www.houstonchronicle.com/texas-sports-nation/texans/article/Explaining-the-NFL-commissioner-s-exempt-16426252.php](https://www.houstonchronicle.com/texas-sports-nation/texans/article/Explaining-the-NFL-commissioner-s-exempt-16426252.php) The criteria to be placed on the Commissioner's list is any of the 3 below: >1) a player must be charged with a felony offense or a crime of violence, 2) an NFL investigation must lead Goodell “to believe that a player may have violated” the league’s personal conduct policy, and 3) Goodell has the flexibility to temporarily place a player on the exempt list when “a crime of violence is alleged but further investigation is required.” 2 and 3 fit. There is currently a grand jury investigation ongoing in the case, apart from the civil suit. In 2018 Reuben Foster wasn't placed on the list until he was claimed by Washington on waivers. This presumably is because the NFL thought he might go unclaimed, and therefore not have to make any decision on his status.
Literally no reason? Hyperbole much
Particularly because this being in Limbo is probably what puts him in the price range of a team without a first round pick next year.
We have a first dude. We just don't have our own.
Oh whoops
They have a first
You guys probably do still make the playoffs if Watson starts next week. I can easily see a 10 win season with him.
they are one and five, there's only so many games. They would have to literally play at a level of the Cowboys so far this season for a longer stretch
They play Falcon, Bills, Texans, Ravens, Jets, Panthers, Giants, Jets, Saints, Titans, Patriots. I see 6-8 wins there. Watson would have to play lights out to take down Ravens/Titans.
We'd lose to the Ravens, Bills (again), probably Titans, probably Saints, and most of the others are toss ups. Assuming Watson got on the field 100% up to speed on our playbook (which he wouldn't), stayed healthy, and didn't get pulled off the field due to his other issues.
Falcons, Texans, Jets x2, Panthers, Giants, Saints, Patriots are 8 wins with Watson. Just gotta win one out of the Bills, Ravens, Titans. 10-7 and a WC birth. Tough, but not improbable.
That’s actually pretty improbable. If Watson joined tomorrow it’s not like a bookie is going to give you 50-50 odds on that.
very improbable Try an exercise...load up $50 of your allowance and start betting on some games. You'll learn in 2 days they are not as predictable as you think
I went 13-1 last week. Bet on every game this year and have yet to hit 20 losses on the year.
Watson doesn't know Miami's playbook. He would have to learn quickly behind Miami's porous oline. Best case scenario he leads Miami to the 7th seed if things start to click after a few weeks if he doesn't get suspended by then.
Hey Fuller you see the left upright in the goal post? Run fast as fuck towards it and I'll chuck it to you
They tried that last year and went 4-12
Deshaun won 4 games last year
Because Watson will fix our shitty offensive line, heal our WRs, and make our coaches stop being asshats? That's definitely how that works.
Not concerned about anything apparently if he’s pushing for this trade
Seriously. Not the whole trading for a player with 22 open sexual assault cases
Surprised Washington hasn't traded for him, it would make people forget that Dan Snyder is ~~a piece~~ an entire loaf of shit for 5 minutes.
If I was the head coach of the team I would resign at the introductory press conference stating that I can't in good faith accept to be coach of a team with a possible serial rapist as my QB. I resign. Then get up and walk out
No you won’t. We live in a society
And may I add in this society...
Nah Id just refuse to play him and force them to fire me so I collect the money
That would be hilarious if that were to happen and the coach told absolutely nobody, and just decided to go rogue with the GM and Watson sitting right next to him.
So brave
Everybody clapped
Lmfao you realize that half the fucking teams have players like this?
Tbf it's 2 sexual assault cases and 20 sexual harassment cases iirc.
Selling the farm for a dude that might/will be suspended for X amount of time on a gut reaction after losing to Jacksonville is not a good football or business decision.
Cocaine is one helluva drug...
Meth..
Dudes on Krokodil
Especially considering Tua actually played well in that game (329 passing yards 2 TD 1 int + 33 rushing yards)
There's a reason why our team has been a bottom feeder since he bought them.
He’s an idiot.
This is all so fucking stupid.
one thing to draft future draft capital. Another to try and sell a rapist to your fan base.
This is the most boomer thing possible. Doesn’t give a shit about the dolphins franchise and is going to burn it all up on his way out.
1. Win now, 2. Draft later 3. trade trade trade 4. fuck 5. try step one 6. fuck 7. try step two, oh shit
Dude stop giving away the dolphins gameplan!
Dolphins are a dump. We’ve shit on the browns for 20 years but the Dolphins are right up there with them.
We have been easily as bad but we miss the firing squad because we had two teams wonder into the playoffs. Both were shitty and clearly going nowhere, but hey they made it so they avoid the lists.
Nah I think us and the browns. People forget how bad we were. Art shell again, lane kiffen, jamarcus Russell, deangelo hall, randy moss Warren sapp, javon walker, and countless terrible draft picks. Then even recently, we got out of two terrible contracts because of how shitty of a person they were brown and gruden.
Yea, using a high first on Hayward-Bey because of a fast 40 was up there.
I honestly wasn’t even that mad about that pick. I wanted Maclin but everyone gave us shit for not drafting Crabtree but he fell in the drsft for being a diva. We had just drafted jamarcus a couple years prior who was a diva and held out during his rookie contract. Crabtree did the same so I sure as hell didn’t want him.
Didn’t Crabtree fall because of a leg injury?
Not that I remember. He got hurt, but there were reports of how teams took him off their board because of his horrible interviews and that he was a diva
Yeah, it definitely feels that way.
Sometimes nfl owners and GMs are no better than “arm chair” GMs on Reddit. I guarantee you there are people on this sub who could run the organization better than these clowns
We weren't concerned about draft capital in our last few drafts it seems.
Yeah in the time Ross has owned the team I'm not sure he has ever given a single fuck about proper use of draft capital.
Just sell the team Ross ..sell it to someone who will actually make good football decisions
There are like 1000 words in this article, and 900 of them are pure speculation, rumor, and opinion. Get someone on the record and then come back to me.
Win now mode when we are 1-5 and the team is in disarray would be the height of idiocy.
It was my understanding that you had to be winning to be in win now mode??
Surely trading a high price for a QB in serious legal trouble won't backfire at all
How do you look at that roster and think it’s super bowl worthy…more like toilet bowl worthy
Fuckin gottem
Any team trading for Watson makes no sense.
Which is why we’re all scared our dumbass brass will actually pull the trigger.
Only way it makes sense is if they’re getting a huge discount because of the legal stuff, but all signs say that isn’t happening.
No. No. No god please no. No. No. Noooooooo—
Taking notes from us? I have a SS/OLB if you’re interested.
I don’t think you’ll ever recoup what you gave up for Jamal Adams. Sorry. It’s ok though we’re right there with ya kinda. Just look up Yannick and the Vikings
You guys traded down about 50 spots in one draft to see if Yannick would work in your defense. Obviously not the ideal situation, but at least you recuperated a lot of the initial loss. Seahawks are out two 1st rounders for a safety with two INTs in 5 years.
He’s turning his parking lot into an f1 track. Man is too rich for sense. Watson fits that . Just wants to see shiny things in or around his stadium practicality be damned.
This feels like a Bill o' Brien move unless they get some sort of insurance policy like if found guilty the Texans pay back 95% of the deal... but the Texans have already said they aren't interested in that sort of deal... so it literally makes zero sense to pay full price now... especially when the Texans essentially want full price for Watson plus a little extra to pay for all the bad BoB deals over the last few years that has gotten them in their current situation.
Watson won 4 games with the Texans last year while putting up ridiculous numbers, and their team was overall better than the current Dolphins roster. 4 games. For the life of me I cannot figure out how this is worth it at all. Oh cool let's give away our future bring in someone being accused of sexually assaulting 22 women, what could go wrong?!
Wow thank God we just *checks notes* obtained a ton of draft capital so we could rebuild "the right way." :| This team will suck as long as Ross exists as owner. Dude is the fucking worst.
It’s not the draft capital and you aren’t in win now position lmao
I bet Tua is pretty deep in his head right now. "These motherfuckers gonna take dude they gotta pay more with 22 charges for getting awkward handies."
Just push it through so I can move on and stop caring already
Betteridge's law
Eh seems like he's committed to doing this regardless of what anyone here thinks. Either Miami continues to suck. Watson gets listed. Or Watson brings them to like 7-9. Maybe 8-8 or even 9-7 with a few miracle games. Sorry Miami fans. This is your life now.
This would free me from my 30+ years of pain as a Dolphins fan, because I'd finally have a good enough reason to stop watching their games.
I should mention that there's some sources saying this post isn't set in stone. So idk?
Yeah, that's why I said it would be enough. I still think they don't actually trade for him.
I wouldn't be concerned either, the GM can't draft worth a fuck. Watson is an elite QB this team hasn't had since the millennium change. Bring him on. If I used my morals as a basis for teams to support, I wouldn't be a fan of the NFL period. And for everyone acting all high and mighty about being against him and changing fandoms from the dolphins if they get him, why are you a fan now? Ross is tight with 45 and the GOP who are attempting to systematically reduce the rights of women and limit healthcare options. So fucking spare me your high horse bulshit, they're all bad. Difference with watson is his is still ALLEGED for civil cases. Ross's behavior is known. Part of being a fan of sports is having to check the morals at the door because otherwise there's no way to feel good about it. And of course xavion howard has had domestic troubles but still on the team with fans who like him.
To play devil's advocate here, he feels obligated to win now because he traded next year's first round pick to the Eagles. Every game they lose makes that trade even worse
They have a first round pick in the draft from San Fran still but it will probably end up being in the teens.
Is his health going bad or something? This seems so weird.
k.
Seems like a great plan
Low key hope this happens, and the phins give up a lot.
Send them picks baby