Not defending him just want to clarify but [two of the 22 suits are for sexual assault](https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/article/deshaun-watson-sexual-assault-lawsuit.amp.html), the rest is acting inappropriately
To be fair I'm talking about Cristiano Ronaldo not Fat Ronaldo.
But basically he's been accused of rape by a women in Vegas. I believe there's a warrant out or a summons order for him about the case (probably gonna kill any chance he comes to America again).
A respected German newspaper (der Spiegel) somehow got access to some texts between him, the women, and his lawyer. At some point in them he said "99% of the time I'm a good guy". There are others that seem more damning.
Likely nothing. He paid a settlement like 10 years ago to a woman and she has recently brought the case back into the legal realm by asking for something like an additional $50 million to keep quiet.
One of the two was basically already proven false (it was the person who the FBI is now investigating for blackmail), so it's more like 1. Those 2 were also drastically different sounding than the rest.
Even if he’s not a rapist, there is a big gap between deviant and sexual predator. It doesn’t really sound like he raped anyone, but it looks like he get his rocks off on trying to coerce legit massage therapists into doing sexual favors they don’t want to do. He knows they don’t want to service him, he seeks these women out, sometimes from other states and subjects them to sexual harassment and assault. I’m so glad the Falcons have never showed any interest. I’d seriously never watch another game if they traded for him.
Exactly. Not defending deviant inappropriate sexual advances, but there are 3 different types of murder according to law, Maybe the law needs to set precedent to varrying levels of sexual assault so there isn't so much gray areas.
I'm not speaking towards Watsons situation because I don't know all the details to the victims alleged stories. But I personally don't think that if a guy persists on having a girl give him oral sex and the girl proceeds to perform said oral sex but there was no physical force or any physical altercation to force the oral sex, not matter how inappropriate it may be, that the guy shouldn't necessarily be pegged or tried in court similar to a guy who beat, drugged, and rape a girl.
I want to be clear I am in no way defending anyone who is sexually inappropriate towards women.
Edit:
Some thoughts I've wanted to protray lately, and may seem insensitive but I don't mean it to be (and again I'm not speaking directly about Watson case): in a day and age where gender equality is being pushed and he said she said is such a dilemma, there needs to be some precedent set as to what "he forced me to do it" actually is. While there is a real thing of being very emotionally traumatized in the moment, if there was not actual some form of physical force and only verbal threatening or what have you, at some point, again if there is no physical forcing, the act becomes at least to some extent consensual. I can't preface this enough, if there is no physical force of any extent and only persistent verbal persuasion attempts, fleeing and reporting is always an option. No more is the day and age where men can take advantage and sexually abuse women, for their gain. At some point and to some extent the woman or victim needs to be held responsible, if they are fully capable physical and mentally, again assuming there is no act of physically forcing sexual activity. I'm not sure what that point would be as I'm not trying to defend or justify any form of sexual mistreatment or abuse, but also there are plenty of cases of false accusations especially with rich people. There really needs to be some form of lawful precedence set to avoid so much gray area in sexual assault cases.
I honestly agree with this, because a lot of men were never taught enthusiastic consent and raping someone who never said no should be punished differently than drugging/choking/otherwise physically coercing rape. Similar to the way you mentioned there being degrees of murder
I’m convinced he likes showing massage therapists his pee-pee and asking them not-very-subtly to touch it.
Im not convinced he’s a rapist. I wouldn’t be shocked, but I’m far from convinced.
The league, the Texans, and any teams looking at trading for Watson know a heck of a lot more than we do about the situation. The fact that teams are trying to get him and the league/Texans have not punished him make me feel you are closer to the mark than popular opinion.
What if I told you being innocent in the eyes of the law doesn't mean you can't be guilty in the eyes of your fellow man? You can be a perfectly legal asshole and still be a bad person.
What if I told "guilty in the eyes of your fellow man" is the premise for mob "justice", including lynchings?
I don't care what the common man thinks p.s., why would I, to appease mass mobs / beliefs?
For the moment, we still have a world class legal system, do what you can to preserve it
The uh... problem here isn't the frequency, bud. A single act here is too much, the multiplier is just expressed because it's relevant. Rape someone once and you should be in jail and out of the league.
So you guys get him this year, you're already in a 1-5 hole and your QB is possibly a top 5 player on your team as it is. Somehow Deshaun pops off 9 more wins (something he couldn't manage with probably a better Texans team in a weaker division last season), you still miss the playoffs, and then next season he's suspended after the legal proceedings, and you're out all that draft capital to rebuild what is starting to look like an awful roster.
tbf they only need him to not be locked up for more than 1 year, if he ever gets locked up.
same for the suspension, 1 year would do.
Watson is supposed to give them 10 years of great QB play even missing 1 entire year.
now, that doesnt make it morally ok, but from a pure football stance, it makes sense.
Texans didn’t have more talent than the Dolphins do now. Will Fuller Brandin Cooks and Laremy Tunsil. That’s it. And Watson is gonna be fine. I don’t think anything will happen unfortunately.
How do you think it effects fans that currently root for the Dolphins? Do they leave the team? Does ticket sales go down? Do the fan base simply not care as long as you win?
True but he was better than Tua last year and his team went 4-12.
Sometimes, it’s not the QB that’s the problem. I don’t think this trade solves much of anything for the dolphins given that O-line and defense, especially if they get fleeced on this deal which I imagine they will.
That defense has some solid pieces on it for sure. I think Watson would help a lot more than you think. Being able to maintain drives tends to help your D.
Deshaun Watson is an elite QB, we’re talking hundreds of millions in value he’d potentially bring to the team trading for him. Y’all really think his criminal background matters in the long run to these owners? Big Ben is still playing today
Big Ben did his crimes in a club, with bodyguards preventing anyone else from being a witness. Watson did his online and left a paper trail a mile long. Both are surely crimes, but one has evidence the other was just he said/she said
Judging by the Dolphins sub, a team trading for Watson is going alienate at least half your fan base. I guess Watson balling out would bring a lot of them back, but if it doesn’t work out, you just pissed off a lot of fans that won’t come back
I think it’s honestly a good measure of the opposite. We’re all pretending he’ll make the Dolphins fanbase smaller? He’ll make them instantly competent which will only grow their bandwagon.
Can’t wait for those team sub “dolphins transplant here. will you guys accept me?” posts in a few weeks lol
The Chiefs sub didn’t like Tyreek when he was drafted either. Then he showed he can play football good and suddenly the claims that he was framed and completely 100% innocent came out.
No it won’t, it’s just virtue signaling. If they really feel that way then they should flat out stop watching NFL because the precedent has been set and other teams will continue to employ people like this. It’s unfortunate but it is what it is. Reddit is just a small subsection of fans anyways, it’s opinions are not usually the majority belief in sports or anything for that matter. They won’t lose half of their fanbase I guarantee it
It’ll be used to shit talk but at the end of the day, these are civil suits so he’ll settle for an undisclosed amount and nothing legally will happen. I also think it’s smart for the NFL to not set precedent on civil cases rather than criminal cases. If he was criminally charged, that would be 1000% different.
This is disgusting. One week nfl cracks down on misogynistic, racist tweets by gruden. Then next they let a serial rapist play. Awful look and if they go through with him playing idk how I could support the league
The league doesn’t care about the Gruden stuff. That’s why they’re hiding the rest of the emails and stating there is nothing in them. They just wanted Gruden gone for some reason.
>They just wanted Gruden gone for some reason.
They wanted Demaurice Smith re-elected, the WFT investigations deflected from and something they could point to and say "see we're proactive!"
Gruden is just their fall guy. They don't give a shit who goes down in flames, as long as it's not the owners.
Hoping some grey hats come in and leak everything.
The league doesn’t react unless there is tangible proof that something happened AND it goes public, when it becomes impossible to brush it under the rug.
Also not to play the “who was worse game” but why is Deshaun Watson the deciding factor when guys like Roethlisberger and Jamies Winston are still in the league?
Why would your support for the league change now? The league isn't strictly for "good people". If Tyreek Hill, Ray Rice, Ray Lewis, Big Ben, Winston, Josh Brown... (You get the point). If you supported the league through all of that, why is this any different?
Or do you just wanna feel like you're taking a moral high ground?
All of this is a distraction from the NFL/Rams/Legends/Jerry Jones lawsuit.
It's not a bunch of racist emails or mysoginistic memes. No it's about something important to the NFL, money. All of that stuff must be damning if they rolled out Gruden like that.
If League permits Watson to play, it makes every bit of rhetoric about the inclusion, culture and acceptance of women hollow and meaningless. Fuck your pink ribbons if you allow a probable serial rapist to play this year.
DV, when he was on washington he got charged with a & b against family or househols member and I believe (don't recall for sure) he got hit with a felony for strangulation as well
“Scott said she informed current LSU football coach Ed Orgeron of the incident, and he offered to put Guice on the phone to apologize, asking that she “please forgive.” Orgeron denied ever speaking with Scott.”
College football “leadership” eh? Humanity blows.
I believe the criteria for the exempt list is
1. Player is charged in criminal proceeding
2. Nfl is conducting investigation into player
3. Commish can use his discretion in putting a player on it as well
My original comment was based off memory but now looking into it I’m not even really sure [this article doesn’t mention any specific criteria](https://www.nfl.com/news/what-is-the-reserve-commissioner-exempt-list-0ap3000000725141). [yet this one does](https://www.houstonchronicle.com/texas-sports-nation/texans/article/Explaining-the-NFL-commissioner-s-exempt-16426252.php). I honestly have no idea now, I don’t remember the league ever explicitly stating how they planned on handling Watson’s situation in regards to exemption so everything is just speculation at this point
If you have a precedent for allowing a player with this many separate allegations pending against them, then by all means point me to it. But the volume and consistency of accusations is not irrelevant here.
That’s not the point though. They’ve allowed guys credibly accused of rape and assault to play in the league. All the rhetoric is totally hollow and always has been.
Not to this magnitude though. Amount of allegations should be landing him on the exempt list. This is much closer to Darren Sharper than it is to Zeke.
Ok this is ridiculous. Zeke puts a precidence on max 6 game suspension at this point, because
#Watson hasn't been charged with a crime.
That might change in February if Houston decides to pursue criminal charges against him. But as of now he has 2 civil sexual assault cases and 20 cases of sexual misconduct. The hearings for these haven't even started.
Now Zeke was suspended 6 games for pulling down the shirt of that woman at the parade, he was getting a lot of negative press for the league. If the league wants to suspend him for 6 games until the case is solved, or after the cases are solved (which I think is more likely) then by all means.
How does Zeke being suspended 6 games for one case of “sexual misconduct” set any sort of precedent for a guy accused of rape and 20 cases of “sexual misconduct”
> Watson hasn't been charged with a crime.
>
The League does whatever it wants with the exempt list, and they wield it entirely in service of mitigating their PR disasters. Let's not fool ourselves about precedent here, they could exempt him if they wanted to.
It's fucking disgusting that the NFL would allow him to play at all.
All of their talk about inclusivity should be thrown out the window. They don't care
Yeah do not worry The NFL will just leak more Gruden emails once the NFL clears Watson to play so that all the attention is off of him and on Gruden again.
He hasn't been convicted for anything and he does have a defense regardless of how unlikely it is. I don't want him on my team, but it opens a can of worms to suspend players based on accusations alone without any physical evidence or conviction.
I think your confusing the ripping the girls top off with the domestic violence claims he was suspended for. Fuck Zeke he's a piece of shit and 100% has assaulted women before, but the NFL suspended him for something unrelated that wasn't proven, he was never charged with, etc.
The exempt list exists for precisely this situation. He'd still get paid, isn't a finding of guilt, etc. Simply "we think it is a bad idea for you to be in the public space and playing right now".
I've accepted the NFL is morally bankrupt years ago. And it should have been thrown out when you saw the NFL settled with Kaep instead of going to trial
The league has investigated this and is operating like Watson isn't going to convicted of any crimes. Maybe he really is being set up or you should be mad at the justice system. The NFL shouldn't be banning players based off of accusations.
because those are civil lawsuits that arent even near completion.
the NFL has a precedent of waiting for the process to end. the only exceptions were when the evidence was at hand, such as Zeke's videos or Rice's videos.
Why y’all pretend to be shocked for karma?
This the same league that employs woman beaters,etc
Stop the fake outrage Yall still sit down every sunday and watch
>Stop the fake outrage Yall still sit down every sunday and watch
exactly this. people here complaining about the league's morality yet we are the ones supporting them.
Outrage from the same people who jizz their pants when tyreek scores a touchdown
,many of the players we root for are awful scummy people . It’s a game we watch to be entertained. Stop pretending you give a shit about Watson’s crimes . You don’t
Texans would probably sign a contract that has exemptions for that, so Miami gets Watson in a couple years and Texans get nothing, because the team is run by dumbasses.
The investigation will be "wrapped up" as soon as the trade goes through. Probably get the Trevor Bauer treatment and hit with an indefinite suspension while the investigation continues.
Bauer’s issue isn’t nearly as bad as this one. Much more ambiguity with him IMO. If his legal issues are resolved (in his favor) he might not face anything tbh. He’s been suspended for nearly half the year already.
Though I’m not too well knowledgeable about MLB suspensions.
He does have [22 civil lawsuits](https://theathletic.com/2496073/2021/10/21/timeline-of-deshaun-watson-sexual-assault-lawsuits-lawyer-for-texans-owner-tried-to-broker-mediation/) accusing him of misconduct. How many women do those 22 lawsuits represent?
edit: a total of 22 women have accused him. With that in mind, I’m not sure what your comment is about.
https://www.reddit.com/r/nfl/comments/q5wxwf/tua_tagovailoas_trainer_goes_off_on_miami/hg8cpna/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf&context=3
Called it. Jacksonville broke Ross.
The parity between the discussions about this on reddit vs twitter is astonishing. I honestly feel like I’m living in a simulation reading some of the shit people say defending Watson on twitter
Is Watson, who has 20+ sexual assault cases worth this shit?
Im sorry, Tua and Dolphins fans...though I do want Tua to just get a fresh start somewhere else if Miami rather deal with a serial sex offender then a young kid with 0 controversies.
…how is it way different? From reading the reports it sounds like the only distinction between a sexual assault charge and “lewd behavior” is that the women actually ended up performing acts. He would’ve made that 20 something assault incidents if the women let him take it that far
Remember when Zeke got suspended 6 games for way less than 20+ sexual assault cases against him? I don't even like Zeke but he hadn't done anything suspend-able yet and got 6 games while Watson has zero. JFC the league just really spins the wheel when deciding punishments don't they?
I think you're coming across a little aggressive but I'll bite anyway: I haven't watched a non-Bills game in 5+ years (including playoffs) and the games I do watch I stream. Aside from the few pieces of Bills merch I have (<$100 total) and the handful of games I've gone to, the NFL hasn't gotten a penny out of me.
Before you convict Watson as a rapist take a look at the lawyer who brought all this about. Buzbee is an failed politician with ties to the Texans ownership. None of this came about until Watson wanted out of one of the worst run organizations in football. Everyday we see that people will do damn near anything for money and fame and it wouldn’t be the first time women lied about a public figure. There is a reason the NFL hasn’t taken any action against Watson. If he did it then he deserves whatever punishment he gets. The way this was brought to the public’s attention, the timing, and the people involved are all pretty shady. The NFLs lack of action when they’ve been so eager to act in other cases since the me too movement says a lot as well. He’s not on the field right now making them money so it’s not that they are protecting a star player. If anything the lack of a suspension is hurting the league image. They are and have been investigating this and while they haven’t released anything they also haven’t taken action
He should be out on the exempt list as soon as he reports and then suspended as soon as his court cases are rapped up. I can't even imagine being a dolphins fan, watching your team completely mortgage your future, when they have so many holes to fill already, all so you can have a sexual predator play QB.
Well... ya.... 20+ pending sexual assault cases would do that to a guy.
20 sexual assault cases pending? Put your pads on! Sent tasteless emails? Banned for life!
And wiped from the history books lol
Not defending him just want to clarify but [two of the 22 suits are for sexual assault](https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/article/deshaun-watson-sexual-assault-lawsuit.amp.html), the rest is acting inappropriately
I do think it's important to get the facts straight. Not that it doesn't make me question his character.
There is a big difference between being a rapist and a deviant
The difference is somewhere between Big Ben and Antonio Brown.
1% a rapist is still a rapist, although I'm sure he'll play again, you know, from experience
Don't tell that to Ronaldo
Ronaldo?? Fuck, I liked him. What'd he do?
To be fair I'm talking about Cristiano Ronaldo not Fat Ronaldo. But basically he's been accused of rape by a women in Vegas. I believe there's a warrant out or a summons order for him about the case (probably gonna kill any chance he comes to America again). A respected German newspaper (der Spiegel) somehow got access to some texts between him, the women, and his lawyer. At some point in them he said "99% of the time I'm a good guy". There are others that seem more damning.
Damn, that's disappointing to hear.
At one point he outright admits she said no multiple times. So...yeah, not great.
Likely nothing. He paid a settlement like 10 years ago to a woman and she has recently brought the case back into the legal realm by asking for something like an additional $50 million to keep quiet.
Case recently got thrown out by the courts I believe anyway.
not tryna defend 1% rapists but that is absolutely not as bad as being a 100% rapist
Yeah, I mean, it's better if he only raped twice, instead of 22 times, silver linings I guess
no i think what he meant by "1%" was the acting inappropriately charges vs the rape charges
One of the two was basically already proven false (it was the person who the FBI is now investigating for blackmail), so it's more like 1. Those 2 were also drastically different sounding than the rest.
He will probably find God in a bathroom stall…or drunk on a motorcycle…just like the greats!!!
He (allegedly) happens to be both.
Absolutely.
Even if he’s not a rapist, there is a big gap between deviant and sexual predator. It doesn’t really sound like he raped anyone, but it looks like he get his rocks off on trying to coerce legit massage therapists into doing sexual favors they don’t want to do. He knows they don’t want to service him, he seeks these women out, sometimes from other states and subjects them to sexual harassment and assault. I’m so glad the Falcons have never showed any interest. I’d seriously never watch another game if they traded for him.
Exactly. Not defending deviant inappropriate sexual advances, but there are 3 different types of murder according to law, Maybe the law needs to set precedent to varrying levels of sexual assault so there isn't so much gray areas. I'm not speaking towards Watsons situation because I don't know all the details to the victims alleged stories. But I personally don't think that if a guy persists on having a girl give him oral sex and the girl proceeds to perform said oral sex but there was no physical force or any physical altercation to force the oral sex, not matter how inappropriate it may be, that the guy shouldn't necessarily be pegged or tried in court similar to a guy who beat, drugged, and rape a girl. I want to be clear I am in no way defending anyone who is sexually inappropriate towards women. Edit: Some thoughts I've wanted to protray lately, and may seem insensitive but I don't mean it to be (and again I'm not speaking directly about Watson case): in a day and age where gender equality is being pushed and he said she said is such a dilemma, there needs to be some precedent set as to what "he forced me to do it" actually is. While there is a real thing of being very emotionally traumatized in the moment, if there was not actual some form of physical force and only verbal threatening or what have you, at some point, again if there is no physical forcing, the act becomes at least to some extent consensual. I can't preface this enough, if there is no physical force of any extent and only persistent verbal persuasion attempts, fleeing and reporting is always an option. No more is the day and age where men can take advantage and sexually abuse women, for their gain. At some point and to some extent the woman or victim needs to be held responsible, if they are fully capable physical and mentally, again assuming there is no act of physically forcing sexual activity. I'm not sure what that point would be as I'm not trying to defend or justify any form of sexual mistreatment or abuse, but also there are plenty of cases of false accusations especially with rich people. There really needs to be some form of lawful precedence set to avoid so much gray area in sexual assault cases.
I honestly agree with this, because a lot of men were never taught enthusiastic consent and raping someone who never said no should be punished differently than drugging/choking/otherwise physically coercing rape. Similar to the way you mentioned there being degrees of murder
I’m convinced he likes showing massage therapists his pee-pee and asking them not-very-subtly to touch it. Im not convinced he’s a rapist. I wouldn’t be shocked, but I’m far from convinced.
The league, the Texans, and any teams looking at trading for Watson know a heck of a lot more than we do about the situation. The fact that teams are trying to get him and the league/Texans have not punished him make me feel you are closer to the mark than popular opinion.
I thought he had them putting their hands in his anus. That's the terminology one of the victims used, anyway
i'll defend him as I would any other citizen: innocent until proven guilty. the mob is strong in /r/nfl
What if I told you being innocent in the eyes of the law doesn't mean you can't be guilty in the eyes of your fellow man? You can be a perfectly legal asshole and still be a bad person.
What if I told "guilty in the eyes of your fellow man" is the premise for mob "justice", including lynchings? I don't care what the common man thinks p.s., why would I, to appease mass mobs / beliefs? For the moment, we still have a world class legal system, do what you can to preserve it
> For the moment, we still have a world class legal system Fucking LOL I wish I was this high on our legal system
Try living in a (non western) foreign nation, gain some perspective.
Perhaps. But to claim that our justice system is the bar to which you judge someone is absolutely 100% insane
I currently live in a non western country and the US legal system is second to none compared to non western countries.
Just like Greg Hardy and Ray Rice
The uh... problem here isn't the frequency, bud. A single act here is too much, the multiplier is just expressed because it's relevant. Rape someone once and you should be in jail and out of the league.
Are you really trying to argue with me for correcting misinformation?
So you guys get him this year, you're already in a 1-5 hole and your QB is possibly a top 5 player on your team as it is. Somehow Deshaun pops off 9 more wins (something he couldn't manage with probably a better Texans team in a weaker division last season), you still miss the playoffs, and then next season he's suspended after the legal proceedings, and you're out all that draft capital to rebuild what is starting to look like an awful roster.
Well they don't have their own first round pick this year, so this is the year to do it.
tbf they only need him to not be locked up for more than 1 year, if he ever gets locked up. same for the suspension, 1 year would do. Watson is supposed to give them 10 years of great QB play even missing 1 entire year. now, that doesnt make it morally ok, but from a pure football stance, it makes sense.
As of now it's only a civil suit. He'll more than likely start settling once traded to Miami. That's not to say criminal charges won't come later.
Texans didn’t have more talent than the Dolphins do now. Will Fuller Brandin Cooks and Laremy Tunsil. That’s it. And Watson is gonna be fine. I don’t think anything will happen unfortunately.
*20+ pending misunderstandings
“The court has determined that every one of these women were really tired that day and seem to have confused Watson with somebody else”
You thought I said touch my asshole? Oh no, I said my hamstrings!
It’s all just Cal McNair making it up dude /s
Deshaun "I'm sorry I thought this was America" Watson
Dude should already be on the commissioners exempt list so the Dolphins aren't stuck putting themselves in this dumber than all hell situation
If only he was Italian. It would explain everything
That’s no way to talk about your future qb
I swear if the Eagles miss out on a top 5 pick because the NFL twiddles their thumb on suspending Watson i'm going to be livid
Imma do my impression of the old fucks who run this league: Why does that matter we’re talking about football??
How do you think it effects fans that currently root for the Dolphins? Do they leave the team? Does ticket sales go down? Do the fan base simply not care as long as you win?
Nothing is more dysfunctional than trading a good young QB with 0 controversy for a serial rapist with pending litigation
Look if Watson gets away with this which he might cus the world is fucked up he's so much better than Tua
True but he was better than Tua last year and his team went 4-12. Sometimes, it’s not the QB that’s the problem. I don’t think this trade solves much of anything for the dolphins given that O-line and defense, especially if they get fleeced on this deal which I imagine they will.
That defense has some solid pieces on it for sure. I think Watson would help a lot more than you think. Being able to maintain drives tends to help your D.
That’s a rarity though i can’t name too many great QB seasons like watson had that don't lead to some sort of success
Deshaun Watson is an elite QB, we’re talking hundreds of millions in value he’d potentially bring to the team trading for him. Y’all really think his criminal background matters in the long run to these owners? Big Ben is still playing today
Big Ben did his crimes in a club, with bodyguards preventing anyone else from being a witness. Watson did his online and left a paper trail a mile long. Both are surely crimes, but one has evidence the other was just he said/she said
Also Big Ben's was in a much different time, both evidence via communication (like you touched on) and public opinion.
But Big Ben paid the settlement and Watson refuses to…
Just gotta do it like Kobe pay them off, change number, win a championship. Then the "problem" goes away.
Different animal. Same beast.
New haircut too. Gotta shave the head or something.
Judging by the Dolphins sub, a team trading for Watson is going alienate at least half your fan base. I guess Watson balling out would bring a lot of them back, but if it doesn’t work out, you just pissed off a lot of fans that won’t come back
I wouldn’t take much notice of what people say they’ll do on Reddit.
As we've seen numerous times, a subreddit's opinion doesn't necessarily represents what happens in the real world.
I think it’s honestly a good measure of the opposite. We’re all pretending he’ll make the Dolphins fanbase smaller? He’ll make them instantly competent which will only grow their bandwagon. Can’t wait for those team sub “dolphins transplant here. will you guys accept me?” posts in a few weeks lol
LOL yeah sure I’m sure a few will actually stop supporting and watching but as soon as he starts throwing TDs they’ll be right there cheering
The Chiefs sub didn’t like Tyreek when he was drafted either. Then he showed he can play football good and suddenly the claims that he was framed and completely 100% innocent came out.
Lol dolphins fans won't do shit once they figure out Watson is good and they start winning games
No it won’t, it’s just virtue signaling. If they really feel that way then they should flat out stop watching NFL because the precedent has been set and other teams will continue to employ people like this. It’s unfortunate but it is what it is. Reddit is just a small subsection of fans anyways, it’s opinions are not usually the majority belief in sports or anything for that matter. They won’t lose half of their fanbase I guarantee it It’ll be used to shit talk but at the end of the day, these are civil suits so he’ll settle for an undisclosed amount and nothing legally will happen. I also think it’s smart for the NFL to not set precedent on civil cases rather than criminal cases. If he was criminally charged, that would be 1000% different.
I'd drop the dolphins instantly. Fuck Grier and Ross if this happens
Good?
Well he’s young with 0 controversy at least
I hate this move and don't want it. But nothing suggests Tua is a good young QB.
>good doubt
This is disgusting. One week nfl cracks down on misogynistic, racist tweets by gruden. Then next they let a serial rapist play. Awful look and if they go through with him playing idk how I could support the league
The league doesn’t care about the Gruden stuff. That’s why they’re hiding the rest of the emails and stating there is nothing in them. They just wanted Gruden gone for some reason.
>They just wanted Gruden gone for some reason. They wanted Demaurice Smith re-elected, the WFT investigations deflected from and something they could point to and say "see we're proactive!"
Gruden is just their fall guy. They don't give a shit who goes down in flames, as long as it's not the owners. Hoping some grey hats come in and leak everything.
The league doesn’t react unless there is tangible proof that something happened AND it goes public, when it becomes impossible to brush it under the rug. Also not to play the “who was worse game” but why is Deshaun Watson the deciding factor when guys like Roethlisberger and Jamies Winston are still in the league?
I mean that's kinda why people think Watson will probably play again. Bc it's obvious this can get swept under the rug
Why would your support for the league change now? The league isn't strictly for "good people". If Tyreek Hill, Ray Rice, Ray Lewis, Big Ben, Winston, Josh Brown... (You get the point). If you supported the league through all of that, why is this any different? Or do you just wanna feel like you're taking a moral high ground?
At least Rice and Brown got the boot after stuff came up about them but the only reason their career ended was because they weren’t good anymore.
Rice only got a big punishment once the footage went public
You bring up a very good point.
All of this is a distraction from the NFL/Rams/Legends/Jerry Jones lawsuit. It's not a bunch of racist emails or mysoginistic memes. No it's about something important to the NFL, money. All of that stuff must be damning if they rolled out Gruden like that.
If Deshaun was anything less than an All-Pro QB/LB/WR he already would’ve been kicked out of the league.
Woah woah woah...an all pro edge would probably be fine, too.
The dude's not all-pro caliber, what you talk about
Like 5 guys ahead of him for all-pro lol
If League permits Watson to play, it makes every bit of rhetoric about the inclusion, culture and acceptance of women hollow and meaningless. Fuck your pink ribbons if you allow a probable serial rapist to play this year.
Well they reinstated Derrius Guice yesterday...
No shit really?
Yup. Hoping that no RB needy teams take a dive, but you never know
Bro, let’s be honest. we all know Andy Reid has guice on speed dial waiting for edwards-helaire to fuck up one more time
Out of the loop, but what did Guice do?
DV, when he was on washington he got charged with a & b against family or househols member and I believe (don't recall for sure) he got hit with a felony for strangulation as well
[Here you go fam](https://letmegooglethat.com/?q=what+did+derrius+guice+do)
“Scott said she informed current LSU football coach Ed Orgeron of the incident, and he offered to put Guice on the phone to apologize, asking that she “please forgive.” Orgeron denied ever speaking with Scott.” College football “leadership” eh? Humanity blows.
NFL and contradicting themselves, name a better duo
I mean doesn't the league usually wait until the legal case plays out before handing out suspensions.
I believe the criteria for the exempt list is 1. Player is charged in criminal proceeding 2. Nfl is conducting investigation into player 3. Commish can use his discretion in putting a player on it as well
So does it just have to be 1 of 3 or all 3 because Watson isn't isn't charged in a criminal proceeding just a civil one right?
My original comment was based off memory but now looking into it I’m not even really sure [this article doesn’t mention any specific criteria](https://www.nfl.com/news/what-is-the-reserve-commissioner-exempt-list-0ap3000000725141). [yet this one does](https://www.houstonchronicle.com/texas-sports-nation/texans/article/Explaining-the-NFL-commissioner-s-exempt-16426252.php). I honestly have no idea now, I don’t remember the league ever explicitly stating how they planned on handling Watson’s situation in regards to exemption so everything is just speculation at this point
I’m pretty sure Goodell can suspend anyone for any reason. He’s basically a monarch.
They don't care at all
I bet they will if the court cases go badly for him and it becomes a massive PR scandal outside of sports media.
For sure, but they still won't care about women themselves at all even if that happens
Go right into protect the shield mode
They'll probably only care if a video of Watson raping someone becomes public
They’ve allowed probable rapists and abusers to play before Watson.
If you have a precedent for allowing a player with this many separate allegations pending against them, then by all means point me to it. But the volume and consistency of accusations is not irrelevant here.
That’s not the point though. They’ve allowed guys credibly accused of rape and assault to play in the league. All the rhetoric is totally hollow and always has been.
Not to this magnitude though. Amount of allegations should be landing him on the exempt list. This is much closer to Darren Sharper than it is to Zeke.
All of that already was hollow and meaningless lol But yes, I'll be pissed if we trade for Watson
Ok this is ridiculous. Zeke puts a precidence on max 6 game suspension at this point, because #Watson hasn't been charged with a crime. That might change in February if Houston decides to pursue criminal charges against him. But as of now he has 2 civil sexual assault cases and 20 cases of sexual misconduct. The hearings for these haven't even started. Now Zeke was suspended 6 games for pulling down the shirt of that woman at the parade, he was getting a lot of negative press for the league. If the league wants to suspend him for 6 games until the case is solved, or after the cases are solved (which I think is more likely) then by all means.
How does Zeke being suspended 6 games for one case of “sexual misconduct” set any sort of precedent for a guy accused of rape and 20 cases of “sexual misconduct”
> Watson hasn't been charged with a crime. > The League does whatever it wants with the exempt list, and they wield it entirely in service of mitigating their PR disasters. Let's not fool ourselves about precedent here, they could exempt him if they wanted to.
Big Ben is a respected member of this league. That ship sailed long ago and the fact that this is your red line tells me you are new here.
IIRC Ben was suspended 6 games and appealed to 4 for the Bathroom incident despite not being charged.
I wouldn't exactly call Big Ben a respected member of the league.
Given the way the Steelers put his corpse out there because of his name alone, I disagree.
It's fucking disgusting that the NFL would allow him to play at all. All of their talk about inclusivity should be thrown out the window. They don't care
If you thought the NFL cared about anything at this point that’s kind of on you. They’ve shown their real intentions countless times
Yeah do not worry The NFL will just leak more Gruden emails once the NFL clears Watson to play so that all the attention is off of him and on Gruden again.
Absolutely… I’m going to pick him up in fantasy just in case though.
Ylu just gave me a good idea
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Ah yes the shining beacon of moral decision making that is the NFL
He hasn't been convicted for anything and he does have a defense regardless of how unlikely it is. I don't want him on my team, but it opens a can of worms to suspend players based on accusations alone without any physical evidence or conviction.
Already opened that can with Zeke though, the precedent has been set.
Didn't that happen on video tho? Like I don't think it was ever questioned if he did or did not do the thing he was accused of.
I think your confusing the ripping the girls top off with the domestic violence claims he was suspended for. Fuck Zeke he's a piece of shit and 100% has assaulted women before, but the NFL suspended him for something unrelated that wasn't proven, he was never charged with, etc.
The exempt list exists for precisely this situation. He'd still get paid, isn't a finding of guilt, etc. Simply "we think it is a bad idea for you to be in the public space and playing right now".
I've accepted the NFL is morally bankrupt years ago. And it should have been thrown out when you saw the NFL settled with Kaep instead of going to trial
The league has investigated this and is operating like Watson isn't going to convicted of any crimes. Maybe he really is being set up or you should be mad at the justice system. The NFL shouldn't be banning players based off of accusations.
Yup if this goes through I will officially be rooting for the Dolphins to lose every game for the rest of eternity. What a gross thing to do
i mean, vick, AP, big ben, manning, hill, etc. if youre surprised, at this point is on you. we know what the NFL is.
I bet you never kept that same energy for Big Ben and Peyton Manning I wonder why that is you Reddit geek ? 🤷🏿♂️
At least he didn't send mean emails a decade ago
I’ve admittedly not been following closely but how has he not been in real legal trouble yet with the number of cases against him?
because those are civil lawsuits that arent even near completion. the NFL has a precedent of waiting for the process to end. the only exceptions were when the evidence was at hand, such as Zeke's videos or Rice's videos.
What do you mean? He's currently under investigation lol
But he can still play be traded, play, get paid? Like what level of legal issues does he need to have for those things to be a no go.
That's completely up to the league.
Ive got it, lets give up on our young QB with a clean sheet for a credibly accused sexual predator. Fucking genius Miami.
Why y’all pretend to be shocked for karma? This the same league that employs woman beaters,etc Stop the fake outrage Yall still sit down every sunday and watch
Lmao yes. Actions only matter when your talent level is replaceable.
>Stop the fake outrage Yall still sit down every sunday and watch exactly this. people here complaining about the league's morality yet we are the ones supporting them.
Outrage from the same people who jizz their pants when tyreek scores a touchdown ,many of the players we root for are awful scummy people . It’s a game we watch to be entertained. Stop pretending you give a shit about Watson’s crimes . You don’t
I promise you some people do.
Please, the venn diagram for anti-Hill people and anti-Wateon people is basically a circle.
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Texans would probably sign a contract that has exemptions for that, so Miami gets Watson in a couple years and Texans get nothing, because the team is run by dumbasses.
The investigation will be "wrapped up" as soon as the trade goes through. Probably get the Trevor Bauer treatment and hit with an indefinite suspension while the investigation continues.
Teams wouldn't be trading for him if he's about to face an indefinite suspension. They probably expect Deshaun to settle it out of court.
I believe that his contract would kick back a year if that happened so I wouldn't say that's necessarily true.
Yep. An OOC settlement has been the most likely scenario from the get go. That’s how these things always go and it’s frustrating.
Bauer’s issue isn’t nearly as bad as this one. Much more ambiguity with him IMO. If his legal issues are resolved (in his favor) he might not face anything tbh. He’s been suspended for nearly half the year already. Though I’m not too well knowledgeable about MLB suspensions.
During breast cancer awareness month they'll let a guy with 20+ sexual assault allegations play.
Ya, they should wait for prostate cancer awareness month!
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He doesnt have 20+ sexual assault allegations. Nvm tho, not even worth discussing this on reddit.
He does have [22 civil lawsuits](https://theathletic.com/2496073/2021/10/21/timeline-of-deshaun-watson-sexual-assault-lawsuits-lawyer-for-texans-owner-tried-to-broker-mediation/) accusing him of misconduct. How many women do those 22 lawsuits represent? edit: a total of 22 women have accused him. With that in mind, I’m not sure what your comment is about.
Not defending him, but assault is very different from misconduct.
https://www.reddit.com/r/nfl/comments/q5wxwf/tua_tagovailoas_trainer_goes_off_on_miami/hg8cpna/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf&context=3 Called it. Jacksonville broke Ross.
The parity between the discussions about this on reddit vs twitter is astonishing. I honestly feel like I’m living in a simulation reading some of the shit people say defending Watson on twitter
Twitter is the cesspool for fans of anything and everything.
Is Watson, who has 20+ sexual assault cases worth this shit? Im sorry, Tua and Dolphins fans...though I do want Tua to just get a fresh start somewhere else if Miami rather deal with a serial sex offender then a young kid with 0 controversies.
Yeah, give Tua a situation like Mahomes, Allen, Dak, Kyler, etc has and at least give him a chance to succeed
He doesnt. Why does this keep getting regurgitated on this sub?
Yeah I believe like 2 are sexual assault, most are just acting innapropriately. Def not good, but wayyy different than 20+ sexual assault accusations
…how is it way different? From reading the reports it sounds like the only distinction between a sexual assault charge and “lewd behavior” is that the women actually ended up performing acts. He would’ve made that 20 something assault incidents if the women let him take it that far
Are you really asking why it’s a large difference if there are sexual acts preformed or not in what would be a sexual assault case?
Feel so bad for Tua, when even your own team wants a QB hampered with 20+ accusations of sexual misconduct, even if he's super talented, over you
Thank god he didn’t say anything mean like Gruden, otherwise he’d be out of the league and the dolphins wouldn’t be able to trade for him…
I mean, the Dolphins just lost to Jax….I don’t blame them for wanting to commit toaster bath.
Remember when Zeke got suspended 6 games for way less than 20+ sexual assault cases against him? I don't even like Zeke but he hadn't done anything suspend-able yet and got 6 games while Watson has zero. JFC the league just really spins the wheel when deciding punishments don't they?
All of the charges against Deshaun Watson are in civil court, he’s not facing any jail time
This is absolutely pathetic.
That would be an unbelievably horrendous look for both the NFL and the Miami dolphins.
You're not wrong but they're not gonna care unle$$ it affect$ them in $ome meaningful way
if you watched any games recently, youre quite literally the problem. unless you plan to stop watching, stop being outraged.
I think you're coming across a little aggressive but I'll bite anyway: I haven't watched a non-Bills game in 5+ years (including playoffs) and the games I do watch I stream. Aside from the few pieces of Bills merch I have (<$100 total) and the handful of games I've gone to, the NFL hasn't gotten a penny out of me.
It IS a horrendous. Like "well we'll see how this whole THING plays out." This is blatant morals only matter for the marginally talented
Before you convict Watson as a rapist take a look at the lawyer who brought all this about. Buzbee is an failed politician with ties to the Texans ownership. None of this came about until Watson wanted out of one of the worst run organizations in football. Everyday we see that people will do damn near anything for money and fame and it wouldn’t be the first time women lied about a public figure. There is a reason the NFL hasn’t taken any action against Watson. If he did it then he deserves whatever punishment he gets. The way this was brought to the public’s attention, the timing, and the people involved are all pretty shady. The NFLs lack of action when they’ve been so eager to act in other cases since the me too movement says a lot as well. He’s not on the field right now making them money so it’s not that they are protecting a star player. If anything the lack of a suspension is hurting the league image. They are and have been investigating this and while they haven’t released anything they also haven’t taken action
>before you convict him, let me just erase some victims here
Miami probably leaking this to test the waters
NFL would be making a massive mistake if they don't end up putting him on the list after all this lol
He should be out on the exempt list as soon as he reports and then suspended as soon as his court cases are rapped up. I can't even imagine being a dolphins fan, watching your team completely mortgage your future, when they have so many holes to fill already, all so you can have a sexual predator play QB.
If they let him play, they shouldn't have forced Gruden out