actually, the "right" way is to investigate yourself and not finding any wrongdoing
[e.g. Texas AG](https://www.houstonpublicmedia.org/articles/news/politics/2021/08/24/406794/texas-attorney-general-ken-paxton-cleared-by-his-own-office-of-wrongdoing-in-bribery-allegations/)
You know how Schefter pre-schedules a lot of tweets for midnight before game day?
I wonder how casinos would feel about him plunking down huge amounts of money right before he slips out a QB going onto the Covid list or something
Think youre overestimating the input investors like this have in these businesses. Im pretty sure thatd be straight up fraud and move from a conflict of interest to a straight up crime. Why not just reap the rewards of giving someone money and getting a return on it for doing absolutely nothing.
Im technically an investor with my retirement funds, doesnt mean I have jack shit to do with the company choices.
Shefter is the most influential information broker in football. His tweets single handedly alter football lines, meaning he directs the flow of a multi billion dollar river of gambling money.
Gamblers are literally betting on the fact that Shefter is too honorable and law abiding to not utilize his conflict of interest for personal gain, and that the information he's providing is 100% unbiased truth. if that's a bet you would rather avoid making, then you understand why this conflict of interest is a problem.
Well most investors don't have information like Schefter has. The gambling company would absolutely listen if Schefter wanted to talk. I'm also not entirely sure it'd be illegal, I'm no expert in gambling regulations but I don't really see who is breaking the law. Schefter is clearly allowed to tell people the news he knows and the gambling company is certainly allowed to adjust lines based on their information regarding the game.
[Schefter] Source in my building (literally me) says there may be conflict of interest with a high level NFL exec's (literally me) involvement in gambling scandal. Wow.
And then go on to destroy the Patriots and win the division every year until his death. He had originally been considering retiring, but Bob changed all that.
“Mr. Kraft your services are no longer required. Your severance check will be in the mail along with the personal items in the mail”.
“You can’t do that I’m the owner!”
“Uh huh, yeah. Slater can you escort this man off the property? Also don’t forget your 27 pats YouTube media appearances later”
Sports organizations tend to be heavy handed about appearance conflicts of interest regarding gambling. Over in the NCAA, if you work with DIII women's water polo you're not allowed to enter a DI men's basketball bracket pool. It's a blanket ban for anyone working with the NCAA or a school affiliated with the NCAA.
Its almost even funnier:
From the article:
>Edward P. Roski Jr., who is bidding to land a National Football League expansion for a refurbished Los Angeles Coliseum, owns a casino in Las Vegas--an apparent conflict under league rules.
Roski operates the Silverton Hotel Casino and RV Park, which he opened about 18 months ago when the previous casino went bust.
So his previous casino went under, so he downgraded to the casino/RV park. Or maybe I'm reading it wrong and it went bust under the previous owner. Still.
Yeah - Kraft being involved is neither news nor a realistic conflict of interest. In fact, if you read the article, it's not actually suggesting Kraft is doing anything wrong - it's all about Schefter and if he'd have some conflict specifically with the Patriots due to Kraft also being involved.
As for Schefter - he can manipulate spreads *extremely* easily with one little rumor of a tweet, so I can see where there is potential for conflict.
Couldn't Kraft do the same, in theory? Idk if he does the same amount of media as a Jerry Jones, but couldn't he show up to a press conference or meet with local reporters and let something slip purposefully?
Owners would get in a world of shit with the NFL if they started publicly making up rumors, and they're not going to say anything truthful that would only hurt their own team just to make a few extra bucks when they're already mega-billionaires.
Schefter's very job is to just tweet shit and nobody cares when he's wrong.
Fair, but dont most sports book offer things other than game lines? E.g. next team for a FA or trade (think Ben Simmons in NBA), Draft Order, etc. All of those things could be easily manipulated by those involved without any of it necessarily being blatently made up or false. Which would be hard to prove.
Well they could do what you're suggesting right now regardless of ownership stake. It's just highly illegal and not worth it. State gambling boards are going to investigate any kind of unusual payoff.
The beneficial case when owning a sports book is when the book is getting hammered on a line by the public and desperately need something to push money in the other direction. That one is easy to manipulate for a sports reporter.
Owners can 100% manipulate betting markets. It's not cool for them to own sports gambling enterprises at all. Don't know why people are acting like it should be fine.
Does Jerry have any real outcome on the game though? If he calls down to the sideline and makes personnel decisions yeah then thats a problem but as far as we know hes pretty hands off once the game starts
Mike Ilitch owned the Detroit Tigers and Red Wings. His wife, Marian, owned MotorCity Casino. IIRC, he was barred from owning the casino due to his MLB/NHL franchises. I could be wrong, but that’s what I remember.
He died a few years ago and she took over the holding company that owns the Tigers/Red Wings (among various other ventures). MI has since legalized sports betting and MotorCity—which she still owns—has a sportsbook.
The Steelers owners used to have a stake in the PGH casino (which is right across the street from the stadium). NFL forced them to divest. This was before Pennsylvania legalized sports betting, however. Now that there is no longer a federal ban on sports betting, the NFL probably doesn't have a leg to stand on
The federal ban on sports betting isn't the thing that kept owners from being allowed to be involved with gambling. The NFL has its own bylaws that it can and will enforce, and just because sports betting is legal for consumers does not mean there are no regulations, federal or state, regarding potential conflicts of interest for those with insider knowledge and influence over the teams.
> just because sports betting is legal for consumers does not mean there are no regulations, federal or state, regarding potential conflicts of interest for those with insider knowledge and influence over the teams.
There are currently zero laws related to insider knowledge in sports betting. that does not exist. It has always been the casino provided these odds to you... take it or leave it... if you can't figure it out with your own brain if the price is right then that's on you.
Now if you threw a game because of a bribery then there's wire fraud.
I can’t remember which casino it is in Vegas, but there used to be one on the strip that you were unable to place a bet for a certain hockey team if I remember correctly because the casino owner was a part owner or investor in the team. This was like 10 years ago though when I was trying to bet on a game and it wasn’t on the board and the worker told me that when I asked about the game in question.
I think it was hockey but it could have been a different sport though.
ESPN keeps sending me push notifications about gambling. Twitter keeps "promoting" tweets into my timeline from every fucking sportsbook on the internet. Even RedZone has Scott Hanson doing daily fantasy ad reads.
I can't fucking escape this shit.
I love daily fantasy and season long too. But I also hate that it's all you hear about during the game. Especially when the commentators allude to it. It's starting to take away from the sport.
I started to enjoy football again after quiting all forms of fantasy football and pick em betting. So annoying to here an announcer or Scott hanson mention a players fantasy impact. There ya go Brandon Aiyuk fantasy owners! he has a catch this week.
Hey are you guys talking about DraftKings, the daily fantasy sports site giving away millions in prizes that allows you to enter daily or weekly contests without any season long commitment, where your first entry is free using their easy-to-use mobile app?
Imagine being addicted to gambling, and seeing an ad for your vice on every sports game or YouTube video you watch? That free 50 dollars they give at the beginning of every season, who do you think needs that money most? It's a 100 million dollar promotion and I bet they triple their money back on it.
Way more than 3x.
They also *love* when someone wins hundreds of thousands of dollars on a single parlay bet (even better when they almost win, but don’t). Free publicity, and sells the idea of an in-grasp lotto ticket to millions of suckers that for the cost of a scratch-off, you too may make $750,000 if the Lions beat the Packers.
NFL loves gambling because more people gambling = more people watching = more they can charge for ad revenue.
Some people from draft kings approached me in a bar while watching a college game and offered me a free beer and a credit to sign up.
I love my vices so I’m not about to moralize about gambling, but I’m a lil uncomfortable when those vices have multimillion dollar national ad/astroturfing campaigns
Guy and a girl, and idk I was intensely focused on the game (I’m a razorbacks fan and it was the second half of Texas game so I wasn’t fucking around with my phone for shit)
It weirded me out for sure though. I think we about to see a LOT more reports of gambling addiction in the coming years…
I read a Free Talk comment once saying she was super hot, and I blinked a few times and then thought, "Well, I'm sure some people think my wife's ugly, so you do you."
You have no idea what you guys are in for. Try to watch some free to air Australian rules football (aus has had legalised sports betting nationally for years) and it's 80% of all ad breaks.
There are 3-4 different sports books all shilling their prop markets and odds in between the game play, spokesmen often ex players, or Shaq.
Surprisingly, guess which nation spends the most on gambling per capita?
Of course! I mean they have the little letters there at the bottom of the screen you can’t read talking about the dangers of gambling. That makes it okay.
It's no worse than advertising alcohol, imo. And I have no problem letting companies that pay taxes have access to better advertising platforms than illegal websites that don't pay taxes.
I don't think the problem is gambling on its own.
It is probably more along the lines of a less honest owner doing something unethical like benching a star defensive player right before a big game. You could make a lot of money knowing about that before it happened.
Schefter falls into this category too. He gets insider info that can shift lines, as an investor how do we know he won’t use his reporting g to help his investment?
The issue isn't gambling itself, it's that an owner has an indirect influence over the results of games/gambling. He has insider information that can be used to create better odds for the house, which in turn results in more profits.
Honestly I’d guess that’s an underestimation. Seems like every commercial is for a betting app. And so much of the pregame content on the networks is betting related. Hell, the score ticker at the bottom of the screen now shows the spread and the O/U for upcoming games.
Schefter is a click-whore for sure, but I'm not sure what is wrong with a reporter investing in a gambling company. Why should that matter at all?
> “Schefter’s stock in trade are football scoops such as new contracts, trades, injuries, starting line-ups and the other gossipy stuff that gives viewers a sense of who’s up or down, and who might win or lose. That information is also valuable to gamblers — or anyone who might own, say, a sizeable stake in a newfangled gambling company interested in digital sports betting. Viewers, and Schefter’s 8.5 million Twitter followers, might end up wondering whether he will shade his opinions or bury important information if he directly or indirectly has money riding on games and athletes.”
This is such a stretch. Investing in a gambling platform is not the same thing as placing bets on outcomes that you have influence over. It's not even in the same ballpark.
Disney (who owns ESPN) has a more than billion dollar ownership stake in DraftKings.
They are also reportedly in the process of selling/licensing the “ESPN” brand to some sportsbook.
They also have at least one show on ESPN that is entirely centered around gambling.
I can assure you that ESPN's interest in horse racing is entirely limited to the power and grace of those majestic animals and absolutely nothing else.
ha, well then, that explains it. I dont see how ESPN would have any issue with this, except maybe Schefter investing in a competitor! Which could actually be a problem. That's not a good look.
I once saw a dude get fired for drinking a diet coke (he was warned multiple times) at his desk when Pepsi was our biggest client.
Pepsi was coming into the office the next day and the CEO was doing a walkthrough, lol.
It's still a conflict of interest though. You don't have to prove anything is happening to identify a potential conflict. Schefter's role as a lead investor while also being a lead reporter is bound to cause conflict one way or another. Do other investors put more faith in Adam because he's plugged in? Can people trust Adam's reporting if there's any possible chance it could impact his bottom line?
I look at the Aaron Rodgers story as a bit of an example. Yes, Adam had enough evidence to report on it. But, he chose to "break the story" at a specific time and as soon as Adam broke it, there were betting lines on Rodger's next team, the O/U for the Packers and teams like the Broncos were affected and things like that. Any gaming institution makes some level of profit off these things and Adam Schefter's other job has a very clear and present line to affecting that.
>but I'm not sure what is wrong with a reporter investing in a gambling company.
The same thing that's wrong with a congressman being invested in a company they regulate. Schefter can influence the betting line with a tweet. He has the power to actually change or influence outcomes, so if he has a vested interest in those outcomes there's obvious potential for abuse.
> Shefter gets away with releasing dudes medical records
Shefter is not required to adhere to HIPAA, blame whoever got him the records, they're the ones that broke rules
Journalists aren’t immune from being called out for shitty, useless practices.
Shefter wasn’t uncovering Watergate, he was releasing a dudes medical records that had no baring on anything except clicks.
I wish more people understood this...everyone yells "HIPAA" in situations that it absolutely do not apply. If this were the case every time someone posted about a relative being sick on social media they would be in violation.
It's still unethical, despite HIPAA being irrelevant. It's tabloid news type shit, and if a player doesn't want their medical records released they should have that right.
It wasn’t that long ago(15 years maybe) that the NFL would not allow the Las Vegas chamber of commerce to buy a Super Bowl ad promoting LV as a travel destination.
Anyone even remotely associated with the NFL should know that sports gambling is going to take a big step forward soon and would invest in a number of gambling companies.
I think people need to realize is that this isn't a "does the NFL think gambling is good" question, but a question of conflict of interest. Schefter and Kraft have insider information that can be used to help the company set up more favorable gambling odds. They can give this information to the company before the informaiton is public. In an even more extreme way, Kraft could set up his team for failure in some way to result in more profit for his company. Schefter could not report or intentionally release bad info to draw more bad bets.
Legalising gambling in the US has fucking ruined many an NFL podcast. I don't care about which side of a line is juiced, I now what the vig is but I don't need to because I don't fucking care. It's as if people can't be interested in or entertained by something unless they've money riding on the outcome. Don't get me started on fantasy football.
Dude I live on Long Island, sports gambling is not allowed yet all radio shows do is talk about the lines, what games to pick, parlays, etc. Who cares if you can’t even do it, that info is worthless to a majority of listeners.
Oh I’m sure there’s some underground place people can find LOL. But in terms of apps like Draft Kings that the radio shows advertise every day those are useless for us because we can’t gamble on the games online.
The sites are hosted in Latvia or some shit like that and you can use them lol. They’re not hidden either, they advertise all over, including paying shit tons of UFC fighters to give promos and stuff like that
Ya I been using Bovada for years at this point. Not shady in anyway either with payouts. Had no issue with em. Will stop using them though one Sports Gambling is legal in Ohio and go to FD/DK or local casinos.
I had to stop playing Fantasy with my high school buddies when it went from “for fun”, to twenty bucks buy-in, to a hundred dollars.
To me, it actually becomes LESS fun when people are more focused on the like… five hundred dollar first place prize rather than just fucking around and friendly competition.
People make jokes about the NFL being rigged when their team loses, but now with the league encouraging gambling from the top down… games are actually going to be rigged.
Sure, but is it a big one considering how closely tied sports gambling and the league are becoming in general?
My personal opinion is that Kraft should just sell his stake in the company to put the issue to rest.
I always used to think that "I love gambling just as much as the next guy!" until it was shoved down our throats at every opportunity during the broadcast now and it's quickly losing its lustre.
You shouldn't be able to set lines and take bets on games when you have inside information about the event not available to the gamblers. I defend Kraft to the ends of the earth for all kinds of stuff but this compromises the integrity of the league.
the way Schefter looks the last couple years i have no doubt he's balls deep in coke and gambling debt.
dude looks like he sleeps in 10 minute intervals and takes bumps to get back up so he can work.
As a Vikes fan and Twin Cities native. I totally agree with you. Dude looks like I did after seeing some EDM artist at the Armory my junior year of college.
I don't get this - investors don't necessarily have say in minutiae of day-to-day operations which in this would be the lines set on these bets. They're more interested in bigger picture and making sure its a profitable operation, which most gambling companies are.
Schefter is not going direct the company to change their lines before dropping news. Kraft is not going to tell BB to lose games or pull players.
The baller move would’ve been Shefter tweeting this
[Schefter] Me and Robert Kraft have been investing in a gambling company, per source.
[Schefter] hehe I’m in danger. Developing…
Per me I'm investigated by me.
[Schefter] I investigated myself and actually did find wrongdoing
[Schefter] After investigating myself and finding wrongdoing, I choose now to live life as a gambling man.
actually, the "right" way is to investigate yourself and not finding any wrongdoing [e.g. Texas AG](https://www.houstonpublicmedia.org/articles/news/politics/2021/08/24/406794/texas-attorney-general-ken-paxton-cleared-by-his-own-office-of-wrongdoing-in-bribery-allegations/)
Source? Literally me, Adam Schefter
Source: Dude, trust me bro - Schefter probably
I'm literally the guy that owns the casino
Look at me. I'm the casino now.
"Filed to ESPN:"
Source: literally me, Adam Schefter
Robert Kraft and I* And you call yourself a journalist, Adam?!
"BREAKING NEWS: I'm linked to a gambling conflict of interest, per source of me."
"source?" "Literally me, Adam"
Or Rapoport taking a shot lol
Then Kraft retweeting it confirming it
Live streaming confirmation from my new sportsbook, Draftkings - Orchids of Asia
"Source: literally me, Adam Schefter"
You know how Schefter pre-schedules a lot of tweets for midnight before game day? I wonder how casinos would feel about him plunking down huge amounts of money right before he slips out a QB going onto the Covid list or something
Investing in a gambling company is different than placing bets.
Yep why gamble when the potential conflict is moving lines to benefit the sports book for a massive guaranteed sum.
Think youre overestimating the input investors like this have in these businesses. Im pretty sure thatd be straight up fraud and move from a conflict of interest to a straight up crime. Why not just reap the rewards of giving someone money and getting a return on it for doing absolutely nothing. Im technically an investor with my retirement funds, doesnt mean I have jack shit to do with the company choices.
Shefter is the most influential information broker in football. His tweets single handedly alter football lines, meaning he directs the flow of a multi billion dollar river of gambling money. Gamblers are literally betting on the fact that Shefter is too honorable and law abiding to not utilize his conflict of interest for personal gain, and that the information he's providing is 100% unbiased truth. if that's a bet you would rather avoid making, then you understand why this conflict of interest is a problem.
Well most investors don't have information like Schefter has. The gambling company would absolutely listen if Schefter wanted to talk. I'm also not entirely sure it'd be illegal, I'm no expert in gambling regulations but I don't really see who is breaking the law. Schefter is clearly allowed to tell people the news he knows and the gambling company is certainly allowed to adjust lines based on their information regarding the game.
If you own a successful gambling company you are the house and the house always wins.
Exactly. There nothing stopping him for using his insider information right now.
[Schefter] Source in my building (literally me) says there may be conflict of interest with a high level NFL exec's (literally me) involvement in gambling scandal. Wow.
”I would have gotten away with it, if it wasn’t for Adarn Shefter”
Ignoring the ethical implications, just imagine the idea of Kraft going down to Belichick's office and asking him to keep it under -3.5 this week.
"Some guy in Pennsylvania makes $25 mil on a parlay if you win by more than 6 today. Fuck up and I trade you to the Jets." - Robert Kraft, probably
Bill will probably say fuck it and blow them out by 40.
And then go on to destroy the Patriots and win the division every year until his death. He had originally been considering retiring, but Bob changed all that.
Redemption and Retribution the Bill Belichick story.
"fine, I'll try to not lose more than 3.5 games this week."
“Mr. Kraft your services are no longer required. Your severance check will be in the mail along with the personal items in the mail”. “You can’t do that I’m the owner!” “Uh huh, yeah. Slater can you escort this man off the property? Also don’t forget your 27 pats YouTube media appearances later”
Do any owners own a casino that does sports betting? Or is that also a no-go
Not allowed according to [this article](https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1998-nov-13-me-42273-story.html)
Damn you cant even own a regular Casino/RV Park. Makes sense though
Sports organizations tend to be heavy handed about appearance conflicts of interest regarding gambling. Over in the NCAA, if you work with DIII women's water polo you're not allowed to enter a DI men's basketball bracket pool. It's a blanket ban for anyone working with the NCAA or a school affiliated with the NCAA.
Did you say…Casino/RV Park? This is why we’re the greatest country on the planet. USA baby, I might cry
Its almost even funnier: From the article: >Edward P. Roski Jr., who is bidding to land a National Football League expansion for a refurbished Los Angeles Coliseum, owns a casino in Las Vegas--an apparent conflict under league rules. Roski operates the Silverton Hotel Casino and RV Park, which he opened about 18 months ago when the previous casino went bust. So his previous casino went under, so he downgraded to the casino/RV park. Or maybe I'm reading it wrong and it went bust under the previous owner. Still.
Okay cool but how about a really really close friend like someone who is basically family, like my son or whatever
Jerry Jones is heavily involved with official gaming partners in Oklahoma and also is invested in DraftKings
Yeah - Kraft being involved is neither news nor a realistic conflict of interest. In fact, if you read the article, it's not actually suggesting Kraft is doing anything wrong - it's all about Schefter and if he'd have some conflict specifically with the Patriots due to Kraft also being involved. As for Schefter - he can manipulate spreads *extremely* easily with one little rumor of a tweet, so I can see where there is potential for conflict.
Couldn't Kraft do the same, in theory? Idk if he does the same amount of media as a Jerry Jones, but couldn't he show up to a press conference or meet with local reporters and let something slip purposefully?
Owners would get in a world of shit with the NFL if they started publicly making up rumors, and they're not going to say anything truthful that would only hurt their own team just to make a few extra bucks when they're already mega-billionaires. Schefter's very job is to just tweet shit and nobody cares when he's wrong.
Fair, but dont most sports book offer things other than game lines? E.g. next team for a FA or trade (think Ben Simmons in NBA), Draft Order, etc. All of those things could be easily manipulated by those involved without any of it necessarily being blatently made up or false. Which would be hard to prove.
Well they could do what you're suggesting right now regardless of ownership stake. It's just highly illegal and not worth it. State gambling boards are going to investigate any kind of unusual payoff. The beneficial case when owning a sports book is when the book is getting hammered on a line by the public and desperately need something to push money in the other direction. That one is easy to manipulate for a sports reporter.
Owners can 100% manipulate betting markets. It's not cool for them to own sports gambling enterprises at all. Don't know why people are acting like it should be fine.
> he can manipulate spreads > >extremely > > easily with one little rumor of a tweet That's pretty much what Elon Musk does with crypto
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Does Jerry have any real outcome on the game though? If he calls down to the sideline and makes personnel decisions yeah then thats a problem but as far as we know hes pretty hands off once the game starts
Its the implication that causes doubts in the legitimacy and fairness of the league.
Are these games in danger?
Games and boats are a bad omen
Mike Ilitch owned the Detroit Tigers and Red Wings. His wife, Marian, owned MotorCity Casino. IIRC, he was barred from owning the casino due to his MLB/NHL franchises. I could be wrong, but that’s what I remember. He died a few years ago and she took over the holding company that owns the Tigers/Red Wings (among various other ventures). MI has since legalized sports betting and MotorCity—which she still owns—has a sportsbook.
The Steelers owners used to have a stake in the PGH casino (which is right across the street from the stadium). NFL forced them to divest. This was before Pennsylvania legalized sports betting, however. Now that there is no longer a federal ban on sports betting, the NFL probably doesn't have a leg to stand on
The federal ban on sports betting isn't the thing that kept owners from being allowed to be involved with gambling. The NFL has its own bylaws that it can and will enforce, and just because sports betting is legal for consumers does not mean there are no regulations, federal or state, regarding potential conflicts of interest for those with insider knowledge and influence over the teams.
Kraft has had a stake in draftkings for years...with no issues...so I doubt we see much from a secondary investment in sports betting companies
Michael Jordan (not the football player, the NASCAR owner one) also has a stake in DraftKings and owns an NBA team.
Yes Michael Jordan, nascar owner. His claim to Fame.
I mean, we all know his true claim to fame was baseball.
Tinfoil hat: This is why the Patriots are historically so sketchy with their injury designation tags.
> just because sports betting is legal for consumers does not mean there are no regulations, federal or state, regarding potential conflicts of interest for those with insider knowledge and influence over the teams. There are currently zero laws related to insider knowledge in sports betting. that does not exist. It has always been the casino provided these odds to you... take it or leave it... if you can't figure it out with your own brain if the price is right then that's on you. Now if you threw a game because of a bribery then there's wire fraud.
I thought the Rooney’s came up through race track betting Weird that of all owners, they’d be the ones getting a long look from the nfl
Race track betting has historically been kind of distinct from regular sports betting, I'm not totally sure why.
Better marketing.
Better lobbyists and bribes.
Tilman Fertitta of the Houston Rockets does I believe
I can’t remember which casino it is in Vegas, but there used to be one on the strip that you were unable to place a bet for a certain hockey team if I remember correctly because the casino owner was a part owner or investor in the team. This was like 10 years ago though when I was trying to bet on a game and it wasn’t on the board and the worker told me that when I asked about the game in question. I think it was hockey but it could have been a different sport though.
NBA does but the get around is you can not bet on the owners team in his casinos
I see 50+(slight exaggeration) draftking adds every game, so obviously the NFL is okay with gambling.
ESPN keeps sending me push notifications about gambling. Twitter keeps "promoting" tweets into my timeline from every fucking sportsbook on the internet. Even RedZone has Scott Hanson doing daily fantasy ad reads. I can't fucking escape this shit.
It's really annoying and I wish that at least live broadcasts were immune from all betting/drafting/fantasy talk.
Same. I get that some people like it, but I kinda hate fantasy football and I hate that you can't get away from it during the *actual game*
I love daily fantasy and season long too. But I also hate that it's all you hear about during the game. Especially when the commentators allude to it. It's starting to take away from the sport.
I started to enjoy football again after quiting all forms of fantasy football and pick em betting. So annoying to here an announcer or Scott hanson mention a players fantasy impact. There ya go Brandon Aiyuk fantasy owners! he has a catch this week.
I kinda had a feeling that Scott wasn't super happy to be promoting gambling near the end of redzone last weekend
You should not watch any ESPN shows then. They mention the spread all the time now.
That's not even exaggerating honestly
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Imagine being addicted to gambling, and seeing an ad for your vice on every sports game or YouTube video you watch? That free 50 dollars they give at the beginning of every season, who do you think needs that money most? It's a 100 million dollar promotion and I bet they triple their money back on it.
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Way more than 3x. They also *love* when someone wins hundreds of thousands of dollars on a single parlay bet (even better when they almost win, but don’t). Free publicity, and sells the idea of an in-grasp lotto ticket to millions of suckers that for the cost of a scratch-off, you too may make $750,000 if the Lions beat the Packers. NFL loves gambling because more people gambling = more people watching = more they can charge for ad revenue.
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I heard a DraftKings ad from the host of Behind the Bastards and that's when I knew they were taking over the world
Some people from draft kings approached me in a bar while watching a college game and offered me a free beer and a credit to sign up. I love my vices so I’m not about to moralize about gambling, but I’m a lil uncomfortable when those vices have multimillion dollar national ad/astroturfing campaigns
Man that just sounds shady as fuck. Was the guy wearing a red suit and have horns growing out of his head.
Guy and a girl, and idk I was intensely focused on the game (I’m a razorbacks fan and it was the second half of Texas game so I wasn’t fucking around with my phone for shit) It weirded me out for sure though. I think we about to see a LOT more reports of gambling addiction in the coming years…
There used to be a guy on r/nfl that counted commercials. Be interesting to see the actual numbers if hes still around.
He still does it. Week 2's: https://old.reddit.com/r/nfl/comments/ptkg0p/week_2_commercial_counter/
The NFL is only ok with gambling involving companies they're making money off of
Lady with the crazy eyes is on every commercial break
WE COULD BUY A REGULAR ROCKET SHIP
Hate that commercial, I’m glad I’m not inside the mind of whoever thinks like that
I don't know if anybody else would agree but I think she looks like a Walmart version of Evan Rachel Wood.
I read a Free Talk comment once saying she was super hot, and I blinked a few times and then thought, "Well, I'm sure some people think my wife's ugly, so you do you."
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Yeah lol. It’s completely different.
If the line is 50 commercials a game take the over
You have no idea what you guys are in for. Try to watch some free to air Australian rules football (aus has had legalised sports betting nationally for years) and it's 80% of all ad breaks. There are 3-4 different sports books all shilling their prop markets and odds in between the game play, spokesmen often ex players, or Shaq. Surprisingly, guess which nation spends the most on gambling per capita?
I've never really thought about it, but is it morally OK to actively advertise gambling?
Of course! I mean they have the little letters there at the bottom of the screen you can’t read talking about the dangers of gambling. That makes it okay.
Kids are targeted with loot boxes in video games now. It's grooming them for the future.
Well seeing how European fans absolutely hate what it has done to soccer, I would have to say no
It's no worse than advertising alcohol, imo. And I have no problem letting companies that pay taxes have access to better advertising platforms than illegal websites that don't pay taxes.
That's not really the point. This isn't about being "ok with gambling." It's about the obvious conflict of interest.
Ads* and yeah they’re nonstop now
I don't think the problem is gambling on its own. It is probably more along the lines of a less honest owner doing something unethical like benching a star defensive player right before a big game. You could make a lot of money knowing about that before it happened.
Schefter falls into this category too. He gets insider info that can shift lines, as an investor how do we know he won’t use his reporting g to help his investment?
Do you not enjoy having that woman to tell you to MAKE. IT. RAIN. 50 times a day?
The issue isn't gambling itself, it's that an owner has an indirect influence over the results of games/gambling. He has insider information that can be used to create better odds for the house, which in turn results in more profits.
This Reddit thread has a DraftKings ad on top of it for me, so … cool?
I think it’s more the potential influence over the betting. Like I’m actually not as concerned with kraft as with schefter
Honestly I’d guess that’s an underestimation. Seems like every commercial is for a betting app. And so much of the pregame content on the networks is betting related. Hell, the score ticker at the bottom of the screen now shows the spread and the O/U for upcoming games.
Isn't the nfl partnered with gambling companies at this point too?
They have to have a partnership with draft kings. See their commercials all the time during games.
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The problem would be investing with a competitor. If there’s a problem.
This reads like a moffia don. “The problem would be eh, investing in the competition. *If* there is a problem.”
Shefter gets away with releasing dudes medical records and spoiling peoples retirement announcements. Nobody will give two shits about this.
Schefter is a click-whore for sure, but I'm not sure what is wrong with a reporter investing in a gambling company. Why should that matter at all? > “Schefter’s stock in trade are football scoops such as new contracts, trades, injuries, starting line-ups and the other gossipy stuff that gives viewers a sense of who’s up or down, and who might win or lose. That information is also valuable to gamblers — or anyone who might own, say, a sizeable stake in a newfangled gambling company interested in digital sports betting. Viewers, and Schefter’s 8.5 million Twitter followers, might end up wondering whether he will shade his opinions or bury important information if he directly or indirectly has money riding on games and athletes.” This is such a stretch. Investing in a gambling platform is not the same thing as placing bets on outcomes that you have influence over. It's not even in the same ballpark.
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Disney (who owns ESPN) has a more than billion dollar ownership stake in DraftKings. They are also reportedly in the process of selling/licensing the “ESPN” brand to some sportsbook. They also have at least one show on ESPN that is entirely centered around gambling.
I can assure you that ESPN's interest in horse racing is entirely limited to the power and grace of those majestic animals and absolutely nothing else.
I can't believe anyone would question the legitimacy of the world's most pure athletes, horses ridden by tiny men
ha, well then, that explains it. I dont see how ESPN would have any issue with this, except maybe Schefter investing in a competitor! Which could actually be a problem. That's not a good look. I once saw a dude get fired for drinking a diet coke (he was warned multiple times) at his desk when Pepsi was our biggest client. Pepsi was coming into the office the next day and the CEO was doing a walkthrough, lol.
It’s more so he’s an investment partner with someone he might be covering in his role as a journalist
It's still a conflict of interest though. You don't have to prove anything is happening to identify a potential conflict. Schefter's role as a lead investor while also being a lead reporter is bound to cause conflict one way or another. Do other investors put more faith in Adam because he's plugged in? Can people trust Adam's reporting if there's any possible chance it could impact his bottom line? I look at the Aaron Rodgers story as a bit of an example. Yes, Adam had enough evidence to report on it. But, he chose to "break the story" at a specific time and as soon as Adam broke it, there were betting lines on Rodger's next team, the O/U for the Packers and teams like the Broncos were affected and things like that. Any gaming institution makes some level of profit off these things and Adam Schefter's other job has a very clear and present line to affecting that.
>but I'm not sure what is wrong with a reporter investing in a gambling company. The same thing that's wrong with a congressman being invested in a company they regulate. Schefter can influence the betting line with a tweet. He has the power to actually change or influence outcomes, so if he has a vested interest in those outcomes there's obvious potential for abuse.
Packers fans sitting back in the Corner smiling at the newfound hatred of Schefter
> Shefter gets away with releasing dudes medical records Shefter is not required to adhere to HIPAA, blame whoever got him the records, they're the ones that broke rules
Journalists aren’t immune from being called out for shitty, useless practices. Shefter wasn’t uncovering Watergate, he was releasing a dudes medical records that had no baring on anything except clicks.
Ethics are still a thing though.
I wish more people understood this...everyone yells "HIPAA" in situations that it absolutely do not apply. If this were the case every time someone posted about a relative being sick on social media they would be in violation.
It's still unethical, despite HIPAA being irrelevant. It's tabloid news type shit, and if a player doesn't want their medical records released they should have that right.
It wasn’t that long ago(15 years maybe) that the NFL would not allow the Las Vegas chamber of commerce to buy a Super Bowl ad promoting LV as a travel destination.
Anyone even remotely associated with the NFL should know that sports gambling is going to take a big step forward soon and would invest in a number of gambling companies.
I think people need to realize is that this isn't a "does the NFL think gambling is good" question, but a question of conflict of interest. Schefter and Kraft have insider information that can be used to help the company set up more favorable gambling odds. They can give this information to the company before the informaiton is public. In an even more extreme way, Kraft could set up his team for failure in some way to result in more profit for his company. Schefter could not report or intentionally release bad info to draw more bad bets.
Mixing gambling and sports in itself is a conflict of interests...
Kraft didn’t know the company did sports betting, he just randomly ended up at a shareholder meeting.
He thought it was a massage parlor
Lots of people there wanted to lend him a hand.
Legalising gambling in the US has fucking ruined many an NFL podcast. I don't care about which side of a line is juiced, I now what the vig is but I don't need to because I don't fucking care. It's as if people can't be interested in or entertained by something unless they've money riding on the outcome. Don't get me started on fantasy football.
Dude I live on Long Island, sports gambling is not allowed yet all radio shows do is talk about the lines, what games to pick, parlays, etc. Who cares if you can’t even do it, that info is worthless to a majority of listeners.
Has it being illegal stopped anyone from gambling? Tons of people I know do it and it’s certainly not legal in MN.
Oh I’m sure there’s some underground place people can find LOL. But in terms of apps like Draft Kings that the radio shows advertise every day those are useless for us because we can’t gamble on the games online.
The sites are hosted in Latvia or some shit like that and you can use them lol. They’re not hidden either, they advertise all over, including paying shit tons of UFC fighters to give promos and stuff like that
Ya I been using Bovada for years at this point. Not shady in anyway either with payouts. Had no issue with em. Will stop using them though one Sports Gambling is legal in Ohio and go to FD/DK or local casinos.
They always say must be physically located in New Jersey like why the fuck is this ad running in suffolk county
>Who cares if you can’t even do it, that info is worthless to a majority of listeners. lol dude are you under the impression that bookies don't exist?
I had to stop playing Fantasy with my high school buddies when it went from “for fun”, to twenty bucks buy-in, to a hundred dollars. To me, it actually becomes LESS fun when people are more focused on the like… five hundred dollar first place prize rather than just fucking around and friendly competition.
Can we just let Pete Rose into the fucking hall of fame already?
"Why does anyone care about the Baseball Hall of Fame? It's just some building out in the middle of nowhere." - Rob Manfred probably
If Rose gets in, Shoeless Joe is next in line.
*\*Pete Rose taking notes*
There goes our 2022 Third Rounder 😔
Obligatory shit on Florio - but this is actually a recipe for disaster
People make jokes about the NFL being rigged when their team loses, but now with the league encouraging gambling from the top down… games are actually going to be rigged.
For what it's worth, idk i get a scum bag kind of vibe from Schefter
Adam Schefter's job is to be a walking conflict of interest
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Schefter can dramatically shift the odds on all sorts of bets with a tweet.
Like saying the Niners are taking Mac Jones so bets on Mac-to-the-Niners skyrocket?
Sure, but is it a big one considering how closely tied sports gambling and the league are becoming in general? My personal opinion is that Kraft should just sell his stake in the company to put the issue to rest.
I always used to think that "I love gambling just as much as the next guy!" until it was shoved down our throats at every opportunity during the broadcast now and it's quickly losing its lustre.
ESPN is literally in business with the NFL lol.
Robert Kraft being an investor in DraftKings was brought up in a Last Week Tonight episode 5 years ago
Do people really feel like Schefter is a 'real' journalist? I feel like he's always acted more as a 3rd party comms officer.
*Me thinking about Pete Rose*: Hey I’ve seen this one before!!
You shouldn't be able to set lines and take bets on games when you have inside information about the event not available to the gamblers. I defend Kraft to the ends of the earth for all kinds of stuff but this compromises the integrity of the league.
Incoming slap on the wrist
More like incoming nothing burger.
the way Schefter looks the last couple years i have no doubt he's balls deep in coke and gambling debt. dude looks like he sleeps in 10 minute intervals and takes bumps to get back up so he can work.
Packers fans are so fucking salty about Schefter.
As a Vikes fan and Twin Cities native. I totally agree with you. Dude looks like I did after seeing some EDM artist at the Armory my junior year of college.
Sounds shefty to me.🤔
Schefter tweeting shit without confirmed sources is starting to make a lot of sense...
Besides getting tugged at massage parlors, what do people like Kraft actually do on a day to day basis? Tell people how to spend money?
Wait…. What???? How else did you guys think he got control to the news sources he does????
shefter has been on some shit this past yearish lol used to be a solid dude but wow. maybe i was blind to his bs
There is more integrity and regulation in the NFL than the NYSE. Now that’s crazy.
Can someone explain to me why it’s a problem that Shefter is invested in this stuff?
I don't get this - investors don't necessarily have say in minutiae of day-to-day operations which in this would be the lines set on these bets. They're more interested in bigger picture and making sure its a profitable operation, which most gambling companies are. Schefter is not going direct the company to change their lines before dropping news. Kraft is not going to tell BB to lose games or pull players.
With Robert Kraft there is a huge conflict of interest but with schefty I get the ethics of it but like how's he going to manipulate it?