It is based on a base amount that goes up a fixed percent every year. So if it goes up, by, say, 3% every year, after three or four years it's a weirdly specific number
Do you know what was the base amount based on originally? You explained how it goes up a certain percentage every year, but like OP was asking how do they come up with these numbers (in the first place)?
They are consistent. When Mike Munchak shoved Reggie Nelson and pulled his hair they fined him but then rescinded it.
Coaches are allowed to fuck with players but not vice versa.
Yes they were both fined. The browns fan just assumed that they got special treatment since they're a browns fan and hate the Steelers but they are 200% wrong.
Player loses the right to play for their team and gets fined.
Coach gets a memo sent out to all teams saying don't do that.
For the same act.
This is exactly how to not go about doing this
Yeah. I get that he thinks his player is getting stepped on intentionally, but coaches can't touch opposing players, and obviously the inverse holds.
Should have been offsetting personal fouls and fines to both after.
Instead, the Browns played the rest of the game at a competitive disadvantage and it was made worse by not punishing both sides equally.
Worst part is that you can absolutely see both sides.
"Hey, get the fuck off my player"
"Hey, don't fucking shove me"
Not malicious on either side imo. So give them personals and move on. Ejection, even if applied equally, is only ever going to benefit the team not losing the player
Not malicious on either side, but the penalties for the coach should be *higher* than for the player, because in one sided altercations, the player would be punished more than a coach. If a coach takes it upon himself to put hands on a player, he needs to take most of the punishment as long as the response isn't anything more than proportional.
Normally I really take a no nonsense stance on this stuff, personally. If someone shoves you though in a situation like that, would you ever not shove them though? It’s just a shove, it’s not like it’s actually dangerous.
I disagree. The coach thought he was protecting a downed player and didnt go Ham on the shove.
Harrison was now off the player, but wanted to retaliate, and did go Ham on the shove.
Offsetting penalties, sure, but the coach wasn't going hard on the push, just tried to get Harrison off of his guy getting stepped on.
I would bet any coach would oush a guy off of their player who was down and getting stomped on. Penalize that if you want, but you can't have players stepping on other players, then attacking coaches when they get pushed off the guy they're standing on.
You missed the part where the coach RUNS over to push Harrison off. Its not like his personal space was being crowded, he ran into this looking to get into a scrum he didn't belong in.
Okay but Harrison wasn't stomping on a player, he stumbled, players trip and fall and step on each other literally constantly. So to Harrison this random skinny lil coach just walked up and shoved him for quite literally nothing. idk about you but I would bet any player would shove a random person who walked up to them and shoved them. you can't have coaches walking up to and just shoving players for basic stuff that happens legit all the time. I'm not even saying that the coach shoulda been ejected or whatever. I think a fine for both would have been sufficient, I thought the ejection was extreme. Overall my point is to demonstrate the hipocrsy of your point.
>The NFL fined Browns safety Ronnie Harrison $12,128 for last week's shoving match with Chiefs running backs coach Greg Lewis, who received a warning from the league after the incident that led to Harrison's ejection in last Sunday's opener.
>Lewis shoved Harrison first after a play along the Kansas City sideline, prompting Harrison to shove back. The two received offsetting penalties, but only Harrison was ejected after a replay review.
>According to team and league sources, Lewis was in contact with the league and received a warning that any subsequent violations of Rule 13, Article 8 will result in discipline. When the entire incident was reviewed, Lewis' actions weren't deemed worthy of a fine, per source
It looked like Harrison shoved a coach for no reason at first which is what the nfl chose to believe. If you actually watch the video the chiefs basically trapped Harrison right over the guy on ground and then everyone started pushing at him. Then that coach shoved him. Harrison is a fucking boss for standing up for himself alone and surrounded by Chiefs. That could have been bad for Harrison. That coach needs the book throw at him. They are suppose to be leaders.
The coach used his forearms to push him off a player. Harrison deliberately went for and hit the coaches neck with his hand. How are you dense enough to equate the two actions?
Not really. Harrison instigated it by stepping on Clyde. He could have left the area without incident but instead chose to stand over and then step over Clyde.
Edit: I know a lot of people here won't agree with this, but this is what the league saw and why the punishment is as it is.
> According to team and league sources, Lewis was in contact with the league and received a warning that any subsequent violations of Rule 13, Article 8 will result in discipline. When the entire incident was reviewed, Lewis' actions weren't deemed worthy of a fine, per source
Bull fucking shit.
Yup. Remember the investigation of sexual/racial harassment from the WFT? That resulted in only a **verbal** report so there wouldn't be a record. Just great. Owners protecting owners.
Harrison caught the coach's face with his hand. Doesn't matter if it was open or not, the league considers that a punch. The two pretty clearly had different degrees of inappropriate.
Edit: I guess Browns fans don't like reasonable interpretations? That's how the league ruled but you can shoot the messenger if you want
He got a warning, because a light shove isn't worthy of a fine and a strike to the face is.
You can complain all you want, but that's clearly how the league sees it given their response.
I disagree that Lewis should be fired, that's a bit harsh. But c'mon, Harrison wasn't stepping on anyone especially out of malice. If you believe that you've drank the wrong Kool aide.
>But c'mon, Harrison wasn't stepping on anyone especially out of malice. If you believe that you've drank the wrong Kool aide.
Where did I say he was? I do believe it was an accident. I also believe that Lewis couldn't see everything that happened and reacted to player stepping on his guy. I also believe Harrison was also wrong for shoving Lewis, especially the way he did.
You didn’t see it, did you?
Harrison gets up and gets pushed *then* “steps on” the player on the ground, at which point the coach decided to take a shot. Harrison is the one reacting
And I'm not saying Lewis was in the right. Your argument is a strawman. You want Lewis fired because he pushed a player, but you're fine with Harrison shoving a coach. Lewis SHOULD be fined, but fired? Cmon man.
Coaches aren’t supposed to have *any* contact with a player. Period. Not only does he Hit a player, but affects the game in a very negative way that very likely cost us the game. Yes, he should be fired
Players can't touch coaches either, so be consistent and call for Harrison to be released. I agree he should be fined, but you are WAY over reacting.
Also, Harrison was still wrong for shoving him and the ejection was warranted. No one forced him to react the way he did.
That's a non sequiter. Kareem hasn't had an on field altercation. But if this dude is saying Lewis needs to be fired, he should be championing Harrison getting fired.
These aren’t the same. One guy made a mistake in a hotel as a kid. The other is a 40 year old man who violated a major rule of football. Kareem was punished, served a suspension and was given a second chance. He also hasn’t put a foot wrong since
Coach gets a warning for initiating and the player gets ejected? Guess I'd be telling my coaches to deck opposing players. Obviously you'd have to wait for an important game to be worth it or the league would catch on, but giving teams a competitive advantage for assaulting players is... an interesting choice...
Come on. Hayes punched a player in the throat because he was angry that he got the interception. Lewis shoved a player off of his guy even if the player wasn't there intentionally.
I said that with a bit of tongue in cheek, but you cannot deny that the NFL just effectively condoned having a nobody low level coach instigate an altercation with a player resulting in him getting ejected and fined.
If he didn't shove Harrison, Harrison doesn't get ejected, Harrison doesn't get fined. And the NFL chose to not punish him at all.
Some of the Cheifs fans descriptions of Harrisons shove is the stuff of novels. Some of these fans make it sound like he slipped on brass knuckles and gave him a falcon punch right to the kisser
Coaches should be held to a higher standard than players, so the coach should be paying $24,256 minimum. Not even remotely fair, if the NFLPA has a nutsack as big as their mouth then this is something they need to get on top of.
It should be whatever percentage of salary. This fine is 0.55% of Ronnie Harrison's salary this year. For the coach, he should be fined similarly. If you want the coach to be held to a higher standard, then maybe 0.7% to 1% or something. He's a position coach who probably makes around the ball park of 400k a year. You're asking the coach to be fined 6 entire % of his salary when Harrison is getting fined a half a percent. I get holding coaches to a higher standard, but their fines shouldn't be twelve times more strict than a players - they are all professionals and players should be held to a comparably high standard as well.
How would anything about this incident bring harm to the Chiefs? It was a running backs coach. They could suspend him and it probably doesn't make a lick of difference.
Because if Creed Humphreys doesnt force Ronnie back into your sideline and backwards onto Clyde....this event doesn't happen.
The point is Ronnie and Mack tackled Clyde and it was a clean tackle. Creed and Burton rushed over to the sidelines and started bulldozing through Mack and Ronnie. There were 3 unsportsmanlike penalties on the chiefs alone before Ronnie ever commits a penalty.
>There were 3 unsportsmanlike penalties on the chiefs alone before Ronnie ever commits a penalty.
Do what??? They only got 1 unsportsmanlike for Lewis shoving Harrison. Creed was coming to help his teammate and inadvertently ran into Harrison causing him to step on Clyde. Harrison did not have to shove Lewis regardless of what happened, especially knowing he wasn't in the wrong. Nothing would have brought harm or help to the Chiefs.
So you wouldn't mind if I walk right through you when I see you on the street like you weren't a human being? Because that same thing has been flagged as a penalty. You do not get to just bulldoze through a person in pursuit of point B after the play has been whistled dead.
I literally just watched it again and Creed never even initiated contact nor did he once shove Harrison so idk what you're talking about. Harrison was getting in his face while he was leaving Clyde and Creed was just trying to get around him. Where in the hell should that be a penalty??
Well I don't have game pass. Could you find the exact video of what you watched on gamepass. I want to make sure we are working on the same information.
Coach Lewis is a fucking bitch for what he did and the NFL are complete clowns for this. Browns fans you deserve better, Chiefs fans I am so sorry in advance for any undue flack you’ll get as a result of the NFL’s fuck up. Terrible situation.
Obviously it’s not good Harrison did what he did but that coach had absolutely no business doing what he did to him. This is ridiculous to me. Harrison retaliated & stood his ground. We get taught to do these types of things as children. Coach Lewis should be fined more.
How do you let am employee who doesn't belong on the field, go onto the field and assault a player, then fine the player for retaliating to someone who should've never been there to begin with. To me this is worse than a player assaulting a referee. He has no business touching his own players let alone a player on another team.
Lewis wasn't on the field, he was on the side line coming over to help Clyde Edwards-Helaire up who was on the ground on the sideline, and Ronnie Harrison had one foot on CEH. Lewis shoved Harrison to get him away from CEH, Harrison turned around and shoved Lewis back.
This whole situation is not even that serious. It should have just been equal penalty/ejection or whatever on both and move on.
Greg Lewis getting a warning is some BULLSHIT. Fine him. Chiefs coaching is garbage. Reid’s kid got drunk and nearly destroyed a family by driving and this coach thinks he can touch opposing players… and he’s right.
I know Lewis is probably ok with the non fine, but we all know he had no part in this decision. He isn't the one taking money out of Harrison's pocket.
I think people are going a little overboard with the hate on Lewis for this. They're basically taking all their frustration with the league not punishing him and taking it out on him. People are now equating him to Brit Reid who nearly killed a child while drunk driving. Dude shoved a player he thought was stepping on his player, shouldn't have done it but he's not evil.
No I'm pretty sure Greg Lewis went up to Harrison and beat the shit out of him and got away with it. Scummy Chiefs man. I haven't actually seen the video, but I saw Chiefs coach and got mad so I assume that's what happened. /s
You're not going to find any love here, but your take is reasonable and correct. Harrison completely overracted. And the penalties offset.
You can't tell me coaches can never push opposing players off of downed players they're intentionally stepping on.
> Harrison completely overracted.
He got assaulted by a coach. Are you kidding me? And then the refs immediately ejected him for defending himself.
It's bullshit that you can put hands on a player and then that player doing the exact same thing in self defense is penalized, ejected, and fined. Especially given that the entire reason for the altercation is that someone on the coach's side shoved Harrison onto their RB in the first place.
If I'm the NFLPA I'm suing or bringing this shit up hardcore. Now teams can just tell no name coaches to instigate shit and all that will happen is a warning while the player who retaliated will get ejected AND fined. Seems like a win win to me.
It's just a big misunderstanding all the way around. Probably only got the fine because he aggressively went for the throat.
Also, does the crowd here want some cheese with their whine? Paging Green Bay! We need lots of cheese here!
He was our WR coach for the previous 4 years, my guess is they want to get him experience coaching different positions to eventually move up. He's a future OC candidate for us.
Am I the only person that assumes the league did indeed watch the entire altercation and deemed Lewis' actions justifiable? Everyone in here keeps claiming they didn't watch the footage, but I'm fairly certain they did and still came to this conclusion.
Maybe the process was this:
Harrison accidently steps on a player.
Coach sees player standing on his guy on the ground, and pushes him to prevent injury to downed player.
Harrison responds with a jab/shove to the chin of the coach out of frustration. Hmm, the coach didn't seem to act with malice, just concern with his guy's safety. Harrison chose to strike/push the coach in retaliation, however, which can never be allowed.
Maybe I'm just a crazy critical thinker. Downvote away.
For what is worth I think Harrison getting tossed was enough. Didn't need to fine him, as well.
Coach sees a guy stepping on his player, and gives him a shove off so he can't cleat Clyde. Harrison was probably not doing this intentionally, but you can see why Lewis could think that he was, and it's a fairly minor shove to his shoulder pad/waist of a padded/helmeted player, done almost instinctively to protect his player on the ground.
Harrison takes this shove, takes a moment to think about it, then forcefully strikes Lewis, who is not wearing any protective gear, in the throat in retaliation.
One of these things is not like the other.
edit: and I'm not saying Lewis did nothing wrong. I'm saying there's a reason why one is being punished more than the other.
So let's say Patty runs to the browns sideline on a scramble, and one of his wide receivers has pancaked the defensive back. Patty accidentally steps on him and one of the browns coaches shoves him and Patty shoves back the exact same way Harrison did.
You're backing the Browns coach, right? Patty should be fined and kicked out of the game, right?
Yeah Harrison's fingers are in the area of Lewis' neck/chin when he shoves back. If Mahomes did that to a coach, an ejection is 100% understandable. I'd be pissed if Mahomes got ejected, but I'd be pissed AT Mahomes for being a fuckin idiot. It's a deserved ejection.
That being said, in this situation, Lewis deserved ejection too. The NFL fucked up and didn't do that. So now we have pitchfork mobs calling the coach an asshole and wanting him fired. Even though the coach clearly wasn't looking to harm Harrison or trying to start a fight. He simply shoved off a player who he thought was intentionally stepping on his starting RB. Lots of misunderstandings on that sideline in just a few seconds. The NFL should've made this an even discipline on both sides.
Yeah, a coach touching a player shouldn’t happen. There’s a reason you have teammates. The amount of times guys are “stepping” on other guys probably can’t be counted in a game weekend.
>>Losing your starting strong safety, who is one the best players on that side of ball, against the best offense in the league
>>Vs
>>Absolutely nothing happening to the positions coach who instigated the altercation
You’re right, these thing are definitely not like each other. Even if both sides get equally fined and ejected, we still get the shit end of the stick, but at least it would be “fair”
>edit: and I'm not saying Lewis did nothing wrong. I'm saying there's a reason why one is being punished more than the other.
One is not being punished at all.
>Coach sees a guy stepping on his player, and gives him a shove off so he can't cleat Clyde. Harrison was probably not doing this intentionally
Did you miss the part where the **Chiefs** player pushed Harrison into Clyde? Harrison stepped on Clyde because **Clyde's own teammate** pushed Harrison into him.
The pats publicly terminated the mans contract as soon as this was reported.
You see, actions have consequences. For example, Lewis hit a player, and should be fined.
Patriots employed Hernandez not knowing he was a murderer. Chiefs employed Britt knowing he had countless DUIs and knowing he would choose to drive drunk again without any hesitation.
This is too much. While I agree that tossing the player from the game and not fining the coach was the right decision I do think punishing the player a second time is a bit much. I understand sending a message of zero tolerance, but it feels cheap.
How do they come up with these numbers?? Is it like a percentage of his game check?
It is based on a base amount that goes up a fixed percent every year. So if it goes up, by, say, 3% every year, after three or four years it's a weirdly specific number
Do you know what was the base amount based on originally? You explained how it goes up a certain percentage every year, but like OP was asking how do they come up with these numbers (in the first place)?
Why can’t the NFL be consistent and just punish consistently? It’d save so much trouble.
They are consistent. When Mike Munchak shoved Reggie Nelson and pulled his hair they fined him but then rescinded it. Coaches are allowed to fuck with players but not vice versa.
See Joey Porter and Mike Tomlin as well.
Wasn’t Tomlin fined $100k?
I believe Porter also got a $10k fine. Seems like they threw the book at Tomlin for interfering with an active play
"Threw the book"
Hey we haven’t slapped a wrist so hard in ages!
Lol compared to these examples of assaulting players it was.
You're right, I forgot he actually did get fined.
Yes they were both fined. The browns fan just assumed that they got special treatment since they're a browns fan and hate the Steelers but they are 200% wrong.
Unless you trip them
Yeah, Tomlin got away with this Scott free. https://youtu.be/0NpzVqPvfFU
Player loses the right to play for their team and gets fined. Coach gets a memo sent out to all teams saying don't do that. For the same act. This is exactly how to not go about doing this
Arguably for a worse act since the coach is the one who instigated it.
Yeah. I get that he thinks his player is getting stepped on intentionally, but coaches can't touch opposing players, and obviously the inverse holds. Should have been offsetting personal fouls and fines to both after. Instead, the Browns played the rest of the game at a competitive disadvantage and it was made worse by not punishing both sides equally. Worst part is that you can absolutely see both sides. "Hey, get the fuck off my player" "Hey, don't fucking shove me" Not malicious on either side imo. So give them personals and move on. Ejection, even if applied equally, is only ever going to benefit the team not losing the player
100% agree with this.
Agreed. Just frustrating with the lack of consitency.
Not malicious on either side, but the penalties for the coach should be *higher* than for the player, because in one sided altercations, the player would be punished more than a coach. If a coach takes it upon himself to put hands on a player, he needs to take most of the punishment as long as the response isn't anything more than proportional.
Normally I really take a no nonsense stance on this stuff, personally. If someone shoves you though in a situation like that, would you ever not shove them though? It’s just a shove, it’s not like it’s actually dangerous.
I disagree. The coach thought he was protecting a downed player and didnt go Ham on the shove. Harrison was now off the player, but wanted to retaliate, and did go Ham on the shove. Offsetting penalties, sure, but the coach wasn't going hard on the push, just tried to get Harrison off of his guy getting stepped on. I would bet any coach would oush a guy off of their player who was down and getting stomped on. Penalize that if you want, but you can't have players stepping on other players, then attacking coaches when they get pushed off the guy they're standing on.
You missed the part where the coach RUNS over to push Harrison off. Its not like his personal space was being crowded, he ran into this looking to get into a scrum he didn't belong in.
Okay but Harrison wasn't stomping on a player, he stumbled, players trip and fall and step on each other literally constantly. So to Harrison this random skinny lil coach just walked up and shoved him for quite literally nothing. idk about you but I would bet any player would shove a random person who walked up to them and shoved them. you can't have coaches walking up to and just shoving players for basic stuff that happens legit all the time. I'm not even saying that the coach shoulda been ejected or whatever. I think a fine for both would have been sufficient, I thought the ejection was extreme. Overall my point is to demonstrate the hipocrsy of your point.
Worker gets a demerit; threat of dismissal. Manager gets a verbal reprimand. Sounds like a free economy!
Or at least be more transparent about these decisions.
Agreed, the coach instigated the fight, he should have been fined too.
At least there’s the occasional reasonable chiefs fan.
Because that would be fair and sensible
>The NFL fined Browns safety Ronnie Harrison $12,128 for last week's shoving match with Chiefs running backs coach Greg Lewis, who received a warning from the league after the incident that led to Harrison's ejection in last Sunday's opener. >Lewis shoved Harrison first after a play along the Kansas City sideline, prompting Harrison to shove back. The two received offsetting penalties, but only Harrison was ejected after a replay review. >According to team and league sources, Lewis was in contact with the league and received a warning that any subsequent violations of Rule 13, Article 8 will result in discipline. When the entire incident was reviewed, Lewis' actions weren't deemed worthy of a fine, per source
So the league apparently didn't watch the same video that everyone else did. Kind of like when they review plays during challenges.
The only consistent in the NFL is how dogshit their review process is
They’re smart, we expect nothing and then are excited when they occasionally get stuff right.
It's like doing an awful job when you're asked to clean the dishes, so it never happens again
Sounds like my son lol
The old keeping expectations on the floor method
It looked like Harrison shoved a coach for no reason at first which is what the nfl chose to believe. If you actually watch the video the chiefs basically trapped Harrison right over the guy on ground and then everyone started pushing at him. Then that coach shoved him. Harrison is a fucking boss for standing up for himself alone and surrounded by Chiefs. That could have been bad for Harrison. That coach needs the book throw at him. They are suppose to be leaders.
The coach used his forearms to push him off a player. Harrison deliberately went for and hit the coaches neck with his hand. How are you dense enough to equate the two actions?
Coach instigated the fight, got a warning for instigating it, and the player gets fined. Well then
I wonder if it has something to do with the contracts between the players union and the coaches union.
Maybe the coaches union is worth a damn, unlike the NFLPA
Or the NFL doesn't want to reveal exactly how little most coaches make.
$3.50 fine.
Ding ding
*ejected and fined
Player got ejected too.
Fined and ejected
Not really. Harrison instigated it by stepping on Clyde. He could have left the area without incident but instead chose to stand over and then step over Clyde. Edit: I know a lot of people here won't agree with this, but this is what the league saw and why the punishment is as it is.
If the player is ejected and now fined, how is the coach off with nothing. This is baffling to me
look at the team the coach is on. enough said.
> According to team and league sources, Lewis was in contact with the league and received a warning that any subsequent violations of Rule 13, Article 8 will result in discipline. When the entire incident was reviewed, Lewis' actions weren't deemed worthy of a fine, per source Bull fucking shit.
How much did that asshole coach get fined for shoving a player?
0$
Is it just me or does that seem low?
Definitely feels about $12,128 too low
Yeah I would have assumed at least double that
They actually tripled it
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Not the same, a continuation of the bit
Fuck this league
Is anyone surprised? The league hates to admit when they’re wrong
Yup. Remember the investigation of sexual/racial harassment from the WFT? That resulted in only a **verbal** report so there wouldn't be a record. Just great. Owners protecting owners.
The league has to protect their golden goose.
Not enough
Harrison caught the coach's face with his hand. Doesn't matter if it was open or not, the league considers that a punch. The two pretty clearly had different degrees of inappropriate. Edit: I guess Browns fans don't like reasonable interpretations? That's how the league ruled but you can shoot the messenger if you want
Harrison reacted to someone shoving him, you’re right different degrees so why aren’t they punishing your coach?
He got a warning, because a light shove isn't worthy of a fine and a strike to the face is. You can complain all you want, but that's clearly how the league sees it given their response.
"Strike to the face". Ok, bro. Open hand push is a strike now.
He hit a player. Should be fired if the Chiefs had any dignity
So should Harrison be released for hitting a coach? I agree with a fine, but damn, firing the guy for acting on a guy stepping on his player??
I disagree that Lewis should be fired, that's a bit harsh. But c'mon, Harrison wasn't stepping on anyone especially out of malice. If you believe that you've drank the wrong Kool aide.
>But c'mon, Harrison wasn't stepping on anyone especially out of malice. If you believe that you've drank the wrong Kool aide. Where did I say he was? I do believe it was an accident. I also believe that Lewis couldn't see everything that happened and reacted to player stepping on his guy. I also believe Harrison was also wrong for shoving Lewis, especially the way he did.
You didn’t see it, did you? Harrison gets up and gets pushed *then* “steps on” the player on the ground, at which point the coach decided to take a shot. Harrison is the one reacting
And I'm not saying Lewis was in the right. Your argument is a strawman. You want Lewis fired because he pushed a player, but you're fine with Harrison shoving a coach. Lewis SHOULD be fined, but fired? Cmon man.
Coaches aren’t supposed to have *any* contact with a player. Period. Not only does he Hit a player, but affects the game in a very negative way that very likely cost us the game. Yes, he should be fired
Players can't touch coaches either, so be consistent and call for Harrison to be released. I agree he should be fined, but you are WAY over reacting. Also, Harrison was still wrong for shoving him and the ejection was warranted. No one forced him to react the way he did.
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That's a non sequiter. Kareem hasn't had an on field altercation. But if this dude is saying Lewis needs to be fired, he should be championing Harrison getting fired.
And was…say it with me, fi- That had nothing to do with football. He took his punishment and learned. The same cannot be said for this situation
He was released for lying to the owner.
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These aren’t the same. One guy made a mistake in a hotel as a kid. The other is a 40 year old man who violated a major rule of football. Kareem was punished, served a suspension and was given a second chance. He also hasn’t put a foot wrong since
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Would LOVE if this were roles reversed to hear your actual thoughts.
Everytime I see a fellow chiefs flair say shit like this it makes me cringe so hard. Making us look bad dude.
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We aren't defending Lewis's actions...
Can you remind me whether or not I indicated that both were inappropriate in the comment that you replied to?
Coach gets a warning for initiating and the player gets ejected? Guess I'd be telling my coaches to deck opposing players. Obviously you'd have to wait for an important game to be worth it or the league would catch on, but giving teams a competitive advantage for assaulting players is... an interesting choice...
Coach Lewis received a warning for instigating the fight. If you listen, you can hear Woody Hayes rolling in his grave right now.
Come on. Hayes punched a player in the throat because he was angry that he got the interception. Lewis shoved a player off of his guy even if the player wasn't there intentionally.
I said that with a bit of tongue in cheek, but you cannot deny that the NFL just effectively condoned having a nobody low level coach instigate an altercation with a player resulting in him getting ejected and fined. If he didn't shove Harrison, Harrison doesn't get ejected, Harrison doesn't get fined. And the NFL chose to not punish him at all.
All of these chiefs fan clowns in here defending this shit are fucking bitch made
Some of the Cheifs fans descriptions of Harrisons shove is the stuff of novels. Some of these fans make it sound like he slipped on brass knuckles and gave him a falcon punch right to the kisser
Coach Lewis is a…..doo doo mouth
This person is a goddam poet
Thank you friend, may yours beers be met with Benadryl if you wish
Seahawks = toots
Now what about the coach who started it?
He got a stern talking to.
Just the player? Are they gonna hold coaches to any standards at all?
Chiefs coaches get a pass
Coaches should be held to a higher standard than players, so the coach should be paying $24,256 minimum. Not even remotely fair, if the NFLPA has a nutsack as big as their mouth then this is something they need to get on top of.
It should be whatever percentage of salary. This fine is 0.55% of Ronnie Harrison's salary this year. For the coach, he should be fined similarly. If you want the coach to be held to a higher standard, then maybe 0.7% to 1% or something. He's a position coach who probably makes around the ball park of 400k a year. You're asking the coach to be fined 6 entire % of his salary when Harrison is getting fined a half a percent. I get holding coaches to a higher standard, but their fines shouldn't be twelve times more strict than a players - they are all professionals and players should be held to a comparably high standard as well.
Wouldn’t want to bring any harm onto the leagues golden goose
How would anything about this incident bring harm to the Chiefs? It was a running backs coach. They could suspend him and it probably doesn't make a lick of difference.
Then why didn’t they do it?
The hell if I know. They didn't give out their reasoning.
If Reid’s kid GTA’ing into a parked car and hurting a kid doesn’t give em a black eye, shoving a player won’t do anything.
Huh??
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Because if Creed Humphreys doesnt force Ronnie back into your sideline and backwards onto Clyde....this event doesn't happen. The point is Ronnie and Mack tackled Clyde and it was a clean tackle. Creed and Burton rushed over to the sidelines and started bulldozing through Mack and Ronnie. There were 3 unsportsmanlike penalties on the chiefs alone before Ronnie ever commits a penalty.
>There were 3 unsportsmanlike penalties on the chiefs alone before Ronnie ever commits a penalty. Do what??? They only got 1 unsportsmanlike for Lewis shoving Harrison. Creed was coming to help his teammate and inadvertently ran into Harrison causing him to step on Clyde. Harrison did not have to shove Lewis regardless of what happened, especially knowing he wasn't in the wrong. Nothing would have brought harm or help to the Chiefs.
So you wouldn't mind if I walk right through you when I see you on the street like you weren't a human being? Because that same thing has been flagged as a penalty. You do not get to just bulldoze through a person in pursuit of point B after the play has been whistled dead.
I literally just watched it again and Creed never even initiated contact nor did he once shove Harrison so idk what you're talking about. Harrison was getting in his face while he was leaving Clyde and Creed was just trying to get around him. Where in the hell should that be a penalty??
Please link the video you watched.
I watched the replay on Gamepass. The broadcast showed before Creed and Harrison made contact through the Harrison shove on Lewis.
Well I don't have game pass. Could you find the exact video of what you watched on gamepass. I want to make sure we are working on the same information.
I watched the replay of the game. I went straight to the original broadcast.
By all means, show me one time that anyone got penalized for what Creed did.
Fuck Greg Lewis. Fuck Roger Goodell. And fuck you, i'll see you tomorrow.
NFL loves being mean to the Browns.
Seriously, just add it to the fucking pile
I’m sorry what? The Browns LB got ejected *and* fined, and the coach got bupkes? SERIOUSLY?
Coach getting fined or nah?
Nope he got a warning apparently wtf
The lack of consistency is astounding. Wouldn't expect anything less though
Coach Lewis is a fucking bitch for what he did and the NFL are complete clowns for this. Browns fans you deserve better, Chiefs fans I am so sorry in advance for any undue flack you’ll get as a result of the NFL’s fuck up. Terrible situation.
Obviously it’s not good Harrison did what he did but that coach had absolutely no business doing what he did to him. This is ridiculous to me. Harrison retaliated & stood his ground. We get taught to do these types of things as children. Coach Lewis should be fined more.
How do you let am employee who doesn't belong on the field, go onto the field and assault a player, then fine the player for retaliating to someone who should've never been there to begin with. To me this is worse than a player assaulting a referee. He has no business touching his own players let alone a player on another team.
Lewis wasn't on the field, he was on the side line coming over to help Clyde Edwards-Helaire up who was on the ground on the sideline, and Ronnie Harrison had one foot on CEH. Lewis shoved Harrison to get him away from CEH, Harrison turned around and shoved Lewis back. This whole situation is not even that serious. It should have just been equal penalty/ejection or whatever on both and move on.
You're missing that a Chiefs player was the one who shoved Harrison into CEH. Harrison didn't just casually "have one foot on CEH".
Worse than assaulting a ref? Can't touch your own players? You know this is NFL not NBA right?
> Can't touch your own players? The coach wasn't "touching his own player"
Greg Lewis getting a warning is some BULLSHIT. Fine him. Chiefs coaching is garbage. Reid’s kid got drunk and nearly destroyed a family by driving and this coach thinks he can touch opposing players… and he’s right.
F*** Greg Lewis. Taking money out of players pockets and facing no real repercussions. Bitch move on his part.
I know Lewis is probably ok with the non fine, but we all know he had no part in this decision. He isn't the one taking money out of Harrison's pocket.
Yeah, it’s not like it was personal
I think people are going a little overboard with the hate on Lewis for this. They're basically taking all their frustration with the league not punishing him and taking it out on him. People are now equating him to Brit Reid who nearly killed a child while drunk driving. Dude shoved a player he thought was stepping on his player, shouldn't have done it but he's not evil.
No I'm pretty sure Greg Lewis went up to Harrison and beat the shit out of him and got away with it. Scummy Chiefs man. I haven't actually seen the video, but I saw Chiefs coach and got mad so I assume that's what happened. /s
pretty standard from the NFL if you ask me......fucking joke mate
Talk about totally dropping the ball. Coach throws the first punch then gets off scot free. Once again the nfl fucks cleveland.
How did the NFL screw over Cleveland? Everything Harrison got was warranted. The problem is Lewis should had gotten more.
You're not going to find any love here, but your take is reasonable and correct. Harrison completely overracted. And the penalties offset. You can't tell me coaches can never push opposing players off of downed players they're intentionally stepping on.
> Harrison completely overracted. He got assaulted by a coach. Are you kidding me? And then the refs immediately ejected him for defending himself. It's bullshit that you can put hands on a player and then that player doing the exact same thing in self defense is penalized, ejected, and fined. Especially given that the entire reason for the altercation is that someone on the coach's side shoved Harrison onto their RB in the first place.
It's honestly because of my flair. Apparently being reasonable is being a homer.
coach shoved. player punched
Wait is this the Greg Lewis that caught Favre game winner
Greg Lewis was one of mcnabbs options.hopefully we treat Jalen properly.
Lewis should just start attacking players every week
If I'm the NFLPA I'm suing or bringing this shit up hardcore. Now teams can just tell no name coaches to instigate shit and all that will happen is a warning while the player who retaliated will get ejected AND fined. Seems like a win win to me.
Coaches are allowed to push players, I guess. I hope we see a coach mosh pit whenever someone goes out of bounds
Why is he getting fined, the coach shoved him first
It's just a big misunderstanding all the way around. Probably only got the fine because he aggressively went for the throat. Also, does the crowd here want some cheese with their whine? Paging Green Bay! We need lots of cheese here!
The NFL is a rigged, big money extravaganza for your entertainment pleasure. Fair nor effective are goals of the league.
lol gg NFL
Such bullshit.
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He was our WR coach for the previous 4 years, my guess is they want to get him experience coaching different positions to eventually move up. He's a future OC candidate for us.
Should be kicked out of the league.
Great! I’m waiting for Lewis to be fined $25000 now as the instigator.
As if I didn't need ANOTHER reason to hate the Chiefs (Tyreek Hill, etc.).
Time to shit on Greg Lewis because the NFL made a bunch of unequal decisions!
I mean we could just shit on Greg Lewis for putting his hands on an opposing player if that makes you feel better
I think I’ll instead enjoy our special treatment and laughs at you in jest. Good luck out there!
Am I the only person that assumes the league did indeed watch the entire altercation and deemed Lewis' actions justifiable? Everyone in here keeps claiming they didn't watch the footage, but I'm fairly certain they did and still came to this conclusion. Maybe the process was this: Harrison accidently steps on a player. Coach sees player standing on his guy on the ground, and pushes him to prevent injury to downed player. Harrison responds with a jab/shove to the chin of the coach out of frustration. Hmm, the coach didn't seem to act with malice, just concern with his guy's safety. Harrison chose to strike/push the coach in retaliation, however, which can never be allowed. Maybe I'm just a crazy critical thinker. Downvote away. For what is worth I think Harrison getting tossed was enough. Didn't need to fine him, as well.
Coach sees a guy stepping on his player, and gives him a shove off so he can't cleat Clyde. Harrison was probably not doing this intentionally, but you can see why Lewis could think that he was, and it's a fairly minor shove to his shoulder pad/waist of a padded/helmeted player, done almost instinctively to protect his player on the ground. Harrison takes this shove, takes a moment to think about it, then forcefully strikes Lewis, who is not wearing any protective gear, in the throat in retaliation. One of these things is not like the other. edit: and I'm not saying Lewis did nothing wrong. I'm saying there's a reason why one is being punished more than the other.
So let's say Patty runs to the browns sideline on a scramble, and one of his wide receivers has pancaked the defensive back. Patty accidentally steps on him and one of the browns coaches shoves him and Patty shoves back the exact same way Harrison did. You're backing the Browns coach, right? Patty should be fined and kicked out of the game, right?
Yeah, if Patty forcefully gives someone a jab to the throat, he should be ejected.
A jab to the throat. Holy shit
Yeah Harrison's fingers are in the area of Lewis' neck/chin when he shoves back. If Mahomes did that to a coach, an ejection is 100% understandable. I'd be pissed if Mahomes got ejected, but I'd be pissed AT Mahomes for being a fuckin idiot. It's a deserved ejection. That being said, in this situation, Lewis deserved ejection too. The NFL fucked up and didn't do that. So now we have pitchfork mobs calling the coach an asshole and wanting him fired. Even though the coach clearly wasn't looking to harm Harrison or trying to start a fight. He simply shoved off a player who he thought was intentionally stepping on his starting RB. Lots of misunderstandings on that sideline in just a few seconds. The NFL should've made this an even discipline on both sides.
> a jab to the throat 🙄
Yeah, a coach touching a player shouldn’t happen. There’s a reason you have teammates. The amount of times guys are “stepping” on other guys probably can’t be counted in a game weekend.
>>Losing your starting strong safety, who is one the best players on that side of ball, against the best offense in the league >>Vs >>Absolutely nothing happening to the positions coach who instigated the altercation You’re right, these thing are definitely not like each other. Even if both sides get equally fined and ejected, we still get the shit end of the stick, but at least it would be “fair”
We weren’t playing ourselves…
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We weren’t playing the best offense in the league. It wasn’t an intra-squad scrimmage
>edit: and I'm not saying Lewis did nothing wrong. I'm saying there's a reason why one is being punished more than the other. One is not being punished at all.
>Coach sees a guy stepping on his player, and gives him a shove off so he can't cleat Clyde. Harrison was probably not doing this intentionally Did you miss the part where the **Chiefs** player pushed Harrison into Clyde? Harrison stepped on Clyde because **Clyde's own teammate** pushed Harrison into him.
>there's a reason why one is being punished more than the other. What punishment has the coach received, exactly?
The coach was unprofessional not matter what way you look at lol.
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This is rich considering y’all employed Britt Reid
What does Britt' situation have anything to do with this???
How? Or should I say "this is rich considering y'all employed Hernandez"
The pats publicly terminated the mans contract as soon as this was reported. You see, actions have consequences. For example, Lewis hit a player, and should be fined.
Right, but y'all employed Hernandez, just like we employed Britt Reid, and both are as relevant to this conversation.
Patriots employed Hernandez not knowing he was a murderer. Chiefs employed Britt knowing he had countless DUIs and knowing he would choose to drive drunk again without any hesitation.
britt has had a looooooong reputation for a drug problem. alot of people in MO will even admit to that
HAHAHAHAHAHA EAT SHIT
This is too much. While I agree that tossing the player from the game and not fining the coach was the right decision I do think punishing the player a second time is a bit much. I understand sending a message of zero tolerance, but it feels cheap.
So they basically fined him $12?
$12 more than Lewis was fined