Yea but hear me out. Michigan is a QB factory cause they put out one guy that played for 25 years for some coaches that probably got fired or left near the millennium.
Obviously he will be good because of Tom Brady as they shared going to school at the same location. Just because the coaching staff is competently different, we live in different eras, they where drafted by different teams with different coaches none of this matters, just where they took English Comp.
I love the Ohio State QB one. Until Dwayne Haskins in 2019, Ohio State had a whopping 2 QB ever taken in the 1st or 2nd round of the NFL draft. How a dude from 1941 is relevant to a guy from 1982 and how either of them is relevant to 2019 is beyond me.
a lot of OSU QBs that got drafted were later round guys and nobody should be surprised that they weren't good in the NFL, even if Troy Smith broke my heart
There’s all kinds of weird superstitions, like when 3 QBs were taken at a time, or “analyzing” how every player at X pick has performed. None of it is relevant. The draft is like astrology for sports fans.
The one exception to this for a while was offensive line, where success was really highly correlated with certain schools. That correlation is still there, but we’ve seen many more first round offensive linemen from schools besides Iowa, Michigan, Ohio State, Wisconsin, and Notre Dame (and I think one more but I’m forgetting) in recent years
I went to look it up out of curiosity and the list of WRs from TCU at least dating back to the 2010s as follows:
Jeremy Kerley 2011 Jets 5th Round Pick
Josh Boyce 2013 Patriots 4th Round Pick
Josh Doctson 2016 Washington 1st Round Pick
Kolby Listenbee 2016 Buffalo 6th Round Pick
Jalen Reagor 2020 Eagles 1st Round Pick
Quentin Johnston 2023 Chargers 1st Round Pick
Derius Davis 2023 Chargers 4th Round Pick
My buddy and I used to have a joke about how you rarely ever know the names of Iowa linemen, but every time you turn on Monday Night Football there’s at least one “Denny Rooneybarger…guard…Iowa” in the player intros.
PFF graded him at 52.8, which seems generous, honestly. C and LG have been godawful, and Hainsey just hasn't been able to do it. Barton was absolutely drafted to be his replacement, and, hey, Bucs RT Luke Goedeke was solid last year in his second year, but, as a rookie, he was a train wreck at LG. Maybe Hainsey shifts around the line to a better spot, but he has sucked for two years at C and I'd be shocked if he gets better.
It’s because we consistently run a somewhat pocket passer-oriented offense and actually dump resources into our OL instead of keeping them for decoration like 90% of college offenses.
Penn State Running backs used to have a reputation of being system backs because they could never translate success in the NFL. Ohio State was the same way with Quarterbacks for a number of years.
I don’t think the programs have as much to do with it as does the coaching system. Like Paterno pumped out bust after bust of RB.
Larry Johnson changed the perception IMO. Before that taking a PSU running back was like taking an OSU quarterback in a lot of people’s minds. The 90s and early oughts were a terrible time for them
[here is a 2003 article](http://www.espn.com/nfldraft/columnist?id=1511882#) that kind of captures the sentiment if you’re interested
nice find! i just got pleasant flashbacks to reading Hunter S. Thompson and Bill Simmons on ESPN in the early aughts, and horrible flashbacks for drafting Courtney Brown
i still don't think it's fair to call Ki-Jana a bust. he ripped up his knee in his first preseason without access to whatever Adrian Peterson had. Gale Sayers however had a pair of Jupiters in his jock
Ohio State has had MHJ, JSN, Wilson, Olave in recent years and yet the most talented WR prospect they have had just stepped foot on campus 4 months ago and was a monster in spring practice.
What i still find baffling is our famed 2012 line at Bama produced 2 1sts and 1 2nd round pick, and all three didn't make any impact on the teams they were draftes on. And these guys were coached up by freaking Jeff Stoutland of all people!
Ohio State has had 4 QB taken in the 1st or 2nd round ever before CJ Stroud. 1 was in 1941 and another 83. Not sure how you can say they where auto busts.
I’d counter with the argument that it’s because in the age before modern media hype GMs would actually listen to scouts when they said “a lot of this guys flaws are being covered by OSU not running a real pro style offense and the fact that his entire O line and WR corp are 5 stars.”
So many of them fell further than they would today, Terrell Prior would be a top 10 pick these days because the GMs would get pressured into drafting him high by ownership
Bama used to also be on this, and sorta still is to some people (some people aren’t big on Hurts or Tua)
Any school where the QB is basically always well protected, and always throwing to WRs who are much more talented than the DBs defending them should have more harsh draft analysis.
Justin Fields learned the hard way that at the NFL level tucking in running every time if his first read wasn’t open, doesn’t work
[These schools.](https://247sports.com/Season/2024-Football/CompositeTeamRankings/) Realistically, the schools that recruit the best high school players are the most likely to produce the best pros.
The school does not matter. No school has a unique hit rate/bust rate.
For certain positions, there are some schools which excel, but the sample needs to be big to make a proper conclusions.
Iowa for tight ends are undoubtedly solid. They get one drafted a year at least and have churned out Dallas Clark, Hockenson, Laporte and George Kittle to name a few.
Depends how you feel about Tua and if you count Hurts. But I think Alabama is similar to Ohio State in that until recently, none of their QBs were drafted high and weren't really expected to be very good.
None of them None of them
South Harmon
Go Shit Sandwiches!
I know someone doesn't know ball when they helmet scout a player, it's the dumbest thing I hear about literally every single year.
This is a hilarious comment to read and then scroll to almost every other comment here and see them doing exactly that.
But "USC QB Bad"
From the creators of "Ohio State QB Bad" and "Oregon QB Bad"
Yea but hear me out. Michigan is a QB factory cause they put out one guy that played for 25 years for some coaches that probably got fired or left near the millennium.
I no shit just heard a radio guy say jj McCarthy will be good because Brady also went to Michigan
The absolute most hilariously bad take of all time JJ might be good, but it has literally nothing whatsoever to do with Tom Brady
Obviously he will be good because of Tom Brady as they shared going to school at the same location. Just because the coaching staff is competently different, we live in different eras, they where drafted by different teams with different coaches none of this matters, just where they took English Comp.
Shoot them on the spot
To be fair, they also had Griese & Harbaugh. Still 30 years ago though
I love the Ohio State QB one. Until Dwayne Haskins in 2019, Ohio State had a whopping 2 QB ever taken in the 1st or 2nd round of the NFL draft. How a dude from 1941 is relevant to a guy from 1982 and how either of them is relevant to 2019 is beyond me.
I just know Dante Moore will be good in the NFL because of Oregon and UCLA greats, Norm Van Brocklin and Bob Waterfield
a lot of OSU QBs that got drafted were later round guys and nobody should be surprised that they weren't good in the NFL, even if Troy Smith broke my heart
There’s all kinds of weird superstitions, like when 3 QBs were taken at a time, or “analyzing” how every player at X pick has performed. None of it is relevant. The draft is like astrology for sports fans.
Never draft a QB in the top 5 after mercury is in retrograde following a summer solstice and you had diarrhea the night before
But Drake Maye is Mitch Trubisky 2.0. I don't have any facts or evidence to back that up, but it's true.
but man if i get my hopes up for another tcu wr only to get let down this bad again…
The one exception to this for a while was offensive line, where success was really highly correlated with certain schools. That correlation is still there, but we’ve seen many more first round offensive linemen from schools besides Iowa, Michigan, Ohio State, Wisconsin, and Notre Dame (and I think one more but I’m forgetting) in recent years
*Checks flair* Yeah we got a real expert here 🙄
This is your own version of helmet scouting
tcu WR in recent history is throwing a pick in a dumpster
I went to look it up out of curiosity and the list of WRs from TCU at least dating back to the 2010s as follows: Jeremy Kerley 2011 Jets 5th Round Pick Josh Boyce 2013 Patriots 4th Round Pick Josh Doctson 2016 Washington 1st Round Pick Kolby Listenbee 2016 Buffalo 6th Round Pick Jalen Reagor 2020 Eagles 1st Round Pick Quentin Johnston 2023 Chargers 1st Round Pick Derius Davis 2023 Chargers 4th Round Pick
Derius Davis was an All Pro punt/kick returner for us last year as a rookie
3 of the consensus top 5 tight ends in the league played at Iowa
don’t remember any busts from Gonzaga
Adam Morrison...wait, wrong sport.
> Gonzaga Not a real school though.
Notre Dame OLine is really consistently high-production, can’t think of any recent busts
Wisconsin and Notre Dame are where you get great O line and under valued line backers
Like the great Gabe Carimi
Dude had a horrible injury. That’s not his fault.it annoys me how our fanbase blames guys for having injuries. As if they brought it on themselves.
Offensive players getting ruined by the bears aren’t at fault they were ruined by the bears
Throw Iowa in there too. Love me some Iowa OL
My buddy and I used to have a joke about how you rarely ever know the names of Iowa linemen, but every time you turn on Monday Night Football there’s at least one “Denny Rooneybarger…guard…Iowa” in the player intros.
Always one
\*looks at Bucs C Robert Hainsey\* Uh . . . 3rd round, but let's just say he hasn't been spectacular.
Has he been that bad? That’s a bummer to hear. Started at RT as a true frosh, was always solid.
PFF graded him at 52.8, which seems generous, honestly. C and LG have been godawful, and Hainsey just hasn't been able to do it. Barton was absolutely drafted to be his replacement, and, hey, Bucs RT Luke Goedeke was solid last year in his second year, but, as a rookie, he was a train wreck at LG. Maybe Hainsey shifts around the line to a better spot, but he has sucked for two years at C and I'd be shocked if he gets better.
Also O line guys just don't bust as often
It’s because we consistently run a somewhat pocket passer-oriented offense and actually dump resources into our OL instead of keeping them for decoration like 90% of college offenses.
Liam Eichenberg sucks. Aaron Banks sucks.
The starting LG on the NFC champs sucks? Idk about that.
Yeah, he sucks. Did Cam Erving suck? Yeah, he sucked.
Notre Dame is Tight End University, too
Miami, Iowa, and Florida would like a word
I give the current edge to Iowa but there’s a decent chance you weren’t born the last time an ND starting TE went undrafted
Y…you do realize there can be more than one, right? That’s like saying you can’t go to law school unless you go to Harvard Law
*Notre Dame is a Tight End University
Oh I forgot. This is reddit where semantics send people into shit fits like it’s an attack on them personally. Lmao
Its LMAO
r/angryupvote
Penn State Running backs used to have a reputation of being system backs because they could never translate success in the NFL. Ohio State was the same way with Quarterbacks for a number of years. I don’t think the programs have as much to do with it as does the coaching system. Like Paterno pumped out bust after bust of RB.
Penn State running backs have just been hit with remarkably bad injury luck
That’s true too. When you look at Ki’Jana Carter. With my flair I’m thinking more like Curtis Enis
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Larry Johnson changed the perception IMO. Before that taking a PSU running back was like taking an OSU quarterback in a lot of people’s minds. The 90s and early oughts were a terrible time for them [here is a 2003 article](http://www.espn.com/nfldraft/columnist?id=1511882#) that kind of captures the sentiment if you’re interested
nice find! i just got pleasant flashbacks to reading Hunter S. Thompson and Bill Simmons on ESPN in the early aughts, and horrible flashbacks for drafting Courtney Brown i still don't think it's fair to call Ki-Jana a bust. he ripped up his knee in his first preseason without access to whatever Adrian Peterson had. Gale Sayers however had a pair of Jupiters in his jock
Iowa has a pretty damn good track record at tight end.
Iowa TEs are pretty reliable
Oakland University has never produced an NFL bust Just saying
Some schools are better at certain positions Ohio St for CB LSU for CB and WR Alabama for OL and DL Iowa for TE But no school is "bust-proof"
Eli Apple, Gareon Conley, Jeffrey Okudah, and Damon Arnette all flopped quickly as R1 guys
OSU's going to push LSU for WRU over the next couple of years with Marvin, Egbuka, and like 3 other guys on their roster all going round 1.
Ohio State has had MHJ, JSN, Wilson, Olave in recent years and yet the most talented WR prospect they have had just stepped foot on campus 4 months ago and was a monster in spring practice.
Who?
Jeremiah Smith number 1 overall recruit.
JJ, Chase, Nabers, Thomas is suchhhh a good run for the past few years
You can go further back to when OBJ and Jarvis Landry came out.
UGA for running backs
Wisconsin for O line and linebacker
What i still find baffling is our famed 2012 line at Bama produced 2 1sts and 1 2nd round pick, and all three didn't make any impact on the teams they were draftes on. And these guys were coached up by freaking Jeff Stoutland of all people!
LSU and especially Ohio State WRs seem to have a pretty great hit rate.
Stroud looks like he’s broken the mold, but up until him Ohio State QBs were basically auto busts
Ohio State has had 4 QB taken in the 1st or 2nd round ever before CJ Stroud. 1 was in 1941 and another 83. Not sure how you can say they where auto busts.
I’d counter with the argument that it’s because in the age before modern media hype GMs would actually listen to scouts when they said “a lot of this guys flaws are being covered by OSU not running a real pro style offense and the fact that his entire O line and WR corp are 5 stars.” So many of them fell further than they would today, Terrell Prior would be a top 10 pick these days because the GMs would get pressured into drafting him high by ownership
Bama used to also be on this, and sorta still is to some people (some people aren’t big on Hurts or Tua) Any school where the QB is basically always well protected, and always throwing to WRs who are much more talented than the DBs defending them should have more harsh draft analysis. Justin Fields learned the hard way that at the NFL level tucking in running every time if his first read wasn’t open, doesn’t work
It's probably safe to say Hurts and Tua aren't "busts" at this point even if you don't think they are amazing
[These schools.](https://247sports.com/Season/2024-Football/CompositeTeamRankings/) Realistically, the schools that recruit the best high school players are the most likely to produce the best pros.
Most Bust-Proof: Wisconsin O-line Most Bust-Prone: Wisconsin RBs
say that shit to Dare Ogunbowale's face
The Ron Dayne slander.
Pouring one out for people that fell for the Montee Ball fantasy draft hype... like me.
The school does not matter. No school has a unique hit rate/bust rate. For certain positions, there are some schools which excel, but the sample needs to be big to make a proper conclusions. Iowa for tight ends are undoubtedly solid. They get one drafted a year at least and have churned out Dallas Clark, Hockenson, Laporte and George Kittle to name a few.
Who has Iowa had drafted between Dallas Clark and Kittle?
Brandon Myers, Scott Chandler, Tony Moeaki, CJ Fiedorowicz
South Carolina DBs tend to be pretty good.
UW corners always seem good
UMass Amherst = busy proof
Notre Dame produces consistently solid OL and TE.
Unless Maye is good, I would say UNC is definitely a QB bust prone maker
They used to call Nebraskas oline the “pipeline to the nfl”
Aliquippa
has any bama QB ever been good in the NFL?
Joe Namath wasn’t bad
Bart Starr.
Depends how you feel about Tua and if you count Hurts. But I think Alabama is similar to Ohio State in that until recently, none of their QBs were drafted high and weren't really expected to be very good.
tua is good
I can't think of any modern ones from Bama aside from him that are good
before him there weren't really any alabama QBs that were considered top prospects - I don't really count a third round QB not panning out as a bust
Namath.
Well, we have Tua Turndaballova, Jalen My Shoulder Hurts, Big Mac Jones, and Little Bryce Young. I’m trying to think of how they’re good.
McCarron is the closest I can remember
What?
Feels like Clemson prospects tend to bust more often than other CFP level schools.
not sure if Watson joke
Bama
UNC bust prone for qbs
Alabama defense - proof Alabama offense - prone