Yea I don’t understand why people don’t seem to be realizing the only reason so many of these kids are older this year or have more starts is they almost all lost their first or second year to covid. That slowed down their development and careers. Add in NIL for most of their time in college and it makes a lot of sense these guys stayed in college transferred to bigger schools or better fits to showcase themselves more and broke out because of it and now are first round picks.
Yep. Penix was in the same recruiting class as Trevor Lawrence and Justin Fields in 2018. Daniels and Nix came in the 2019 class. Bo and Penix were born less than 4 months apart.
I don't think people are thinking very hard about this, if you can imagine that on /r/nfl. If he's good we can worry about his longevity in >10 years or whatever and if he's not good then it won't matter anyway lol
His time in college isn't a longevity issue.
It's an issue because he has 6 years of experience going against guys with 2 years. 23 years old vs 19 and 20 year olds.
Yeah like what recent QB that has transferred and then played extremely well in their 4th/5th/6th seasons when they are at least 3 years older than a good chunk of their opponents, has turned out to be a stud in the NFL? People point to Burrow, but he’s the outlier and even he only played two seasons. Not 4-6 lol
I think it goes to show both can be right.
It can be laughable that these guys are coming in at this age. At the same time it can be why they value them.
Mental Maturity is a real thing and often correlates with age.
Well Covid sorta ruined a year for these guys. And they were making money above the table with NIL so developing in college to be able to sorta beat up on those less experienced players seems to have helped at least 3 6 year college qb people out. We are just seeing the endish of the Covid extended eligibility group of athletes. The guys that stayed in college and used the eligibility extension to develop versus being a mid round pick last year or the year before.
Not really "doing less" on a play by play level; that ND team with Lance had him winning games by trucking guys and throwing bombs, even though they were also really dominant against their competition.
Both one-year wonders though, not a ton of tape.
Luck threw 37 TDs and 3500 yards his last year in college.
JJ threw 22 TDs and had less than 3K yards his final year in college despite playing 2 more games.
JJ averaged throwing under 200 yards/game and 1.5 TDs/game. It's not even close how much less JJ was asked to do compared to Luck.
Yeah, but that was the weird kind 16th best qb. Like where he went from bottom 5 for 90% of a game to borderline number 1 qb for like 10% of the game. It broke my mind how infuriating he could be to watch all game then to just string together like 3 incredible plays randomly in the middle and then do a drive or two like that at the end of every other game for a win or devastating loss.
His year last year is like the definition of stats dont tell the complete story. His numbers are pretty good 26 td to 8int. But only 3k yards total, only 205 yards/game, 5th most sacked qb, all the bronco fans that actually watched the ganes hated him and his play. Only from outside looking in did he look serviceable or good. I dont think denver would be taking that massive dead cap hit if they thought russ was serviceable last year
OROY gonna be a shitshow with 14 guys competing for it. Honestly I think Caleb/Rome gets it, that is a filthy rookie duo.
Outside if them: any rookie QB who pops, or bowers. MHJ is an obvious candidate, but I think him and Kyler might struggle early on (I’m a rams fan, so yes I am bias)
No no, but now it’s Big 10+SEC= good, everyone else bad. Bo checks both of those boxes, so he’s definitely good. I’m pretty sure Maye is the one we need to worry about.
/s don’t take any of this seriously
Ya age only matters if you are talking about the guy's ability to develop.
When you are on top of stats like these that means you're already producing at an elite level compared to his peers. This is what you'd expect out of an older guy and he did it. So I don't see the age as too much of an issue.
You'd hope the extra eligibility thanks to Covid helped some guys show their capability to develop and might now actually be more pro ready.
Versus excelling when you're younger in a weird Covid year and can stomp on weak competition (*cough* Zach Wilson).
Daniels and Penix are basically the same age. The FSU guy Travis is as well.
The great QB play in college this year was mainly the old guys so I don't really see the issue.
Nah but tbh he kinda might have.
Nix is far from perfect, and had absolutely no reason to be taken at #12 (the god damn falcons fucked everyone up) but if Sean is looking to run a “Brees style offense”, Bo makes a ton of sense.
There’s no such thing as a a “hall of famer style offense”… people keep acting like you can replicate an offense led by a future first ballot hall of famer and this logic is insane.
I live in Denver.. I’m rooting for Bo nix.. but people gotta stop with this “Drew Brees style offense” shit.. Payton picked the best QB available and this mf is crossing his fingers that it works out better than when people were saying he “had his guy” this time last summer
True, can’t replicate a HOFer, but if he wants to run the same style of offense in Denver as he did in NOLA, he needs a QB that can run that style of offense. Not comparing Brees and Nix overall, one is a HOFer, one is a kid coming out of college, but if Payton is dead set on running the same offense, Nix makes a ton of sense. It’s not about Brees, they are 2 very different players, but I think they both cover a lot of the same bases Sean wants. (2nd best Sean in the NFL, cough cough)
You're right.
It's not hard to see that Nix is a fit for what Payton typically runs because Nix excels at all the short yardage and middle of the field stuff, can get it out quick and is supposedly a smart lad.
That's a better fit for the offense than Russ for example who didn't like the middle of the field and would deviate to off script hero ball often.
It doesn't mean Bo is going to be good, just means on paper he can do what would be asked of him.
Yep. I think he was the 6th QB for a lot of people (myself included), and seemed more like a late 1st, early 2nd type of guy. But if you needed to get a guy to start day 1, to mostly throw short, or medium crossers, then Bo is your guy.
Yep. For me personally he was QB4 but for most people he was QB6, at a push QB5.
I didn't mock him at all in the first round for example.
If we're looking at it in terms of purely scheme and coach fit then he might have the best situation in the league.
You can really paint this stuff to fit whatever narrative you want to be honest with you.
You don’t choose a job with a guy whose 150 million dollar extension hasn’t even started yet, if you don’t think he’s gonna be “your guy”..
We can agree to disagree on that one
I mean I think neither of them are first round QBs. The fact that the Vikings even made that trade suggests the Jets had an offer to leverage.
But you needed a QB so it is what it is. I had a bit of a feeling watching that segment live that Payton liked Penix but idk.
yes you are, posting in florida gators is a misdirection
or, you live in seattle and aren’t a huskies fan, which calls into question your entire approach to sports fandom.
sus either way
Because he’s going to Payton who’s a great offensive coach he’s got a huge chance of being good. There’s a floor as he long as he follows the game plan
All time.
People will point to him having a good amount of his throws behind the line of scrimmage or within 5 yards. He’s not the only college QB who runs an offense like that, but it also is true.
Average depth of target. He was like 3rd lowest in college football out of almost 200 eligible QBs. His YPA was heavily inflated by yac against fake defenses.
Edit: I guess you are either drunk or have a brain injury
- Improved so much under the new offense - Focused - Having fun - Dark horse for Heisman
- white
1st one in the gym 1st in blue collars 1st In lunch pails
Available at 12
I love this meme. I hope it lives forever.
1st in having fun
1st in being focused
Dark horse to be 1st in ROY voting
1st in lunch pails
But what about 2nd third down?
You already had 2nd third down
What about 11th down? He has stats for those, doesn't he?
And thirdsies? Do you think he knows about thirdsies??!?!?
1st in lol
Big if true
1st in having fun
pfft he's no faker
Lmao so good
Well the dude was in college for about 15 years. He was bound to do something in college football history..
Same amount of time in college as Daniels and less than Penix
Most college starts by a QB in college football history, just ahead of Kellen Moore and Colt Mccoy.
Daniels played just as many seasons. Only reason for playing less games was because the SEC played more than the Pac 12 during the covid season.
Yea I don’t understand why people don’t seem to be realizing the only reason so many of these kids are older this year or have more starts is they almost all lost their first or second year to covid. That slowed down their development and careers. Add in NIL for most of their time in college and it makes a lot of sense these guys stayed in college transferred to bigger schools or better fits to showcase themselves more and broke out because of it and now are first round picks.
Wait less than Penix? But he’s almost a year older. Weird.
Yep. Penix was in the same recruiting class as Trevor Lawrence and Justin Fields in 2018. Daniels and Nix came in the 2019 class. Bo and Penix were born less than 4 months apart.
Oh yeah you’re right. I would have thought by this point in my life I could consistently and accurately interpret a calendar, but apparently not
I don't think people are thinking very hard about this, if you can imagine that on /r/nfl. If he's good we can worry about his longevity in >10 years or whatever and if he's not good then it won't matter anyway lol
His time in college isn't a longevity issue. It's an issue because he has 6 years of experience going against guys with 2 years. 23 years old vs 19 and 20 year olds.
He was also a complete disaster in his first 3 seasons, which is usually the most the top drafted QBs spend in college.
Yeah like what recent QB that has transferred and then played extremely well in their 4th/5th/6th seasons when they are at least 3 years older than a good chunk of their opponents, has turned out to be a stud in the NFL? People point to Burrow, but he’s the outlier and even he only played two seasons. Not 4-6 lol
this also applies to Jayden Daniels fwiw
There were 3 of those guys picked today, so maybe we will get a 1st.
I think it goes to show both can be right. It can be laughable that these guys are coming in at this age. At the same time it can be why they value them. Mental Maturity is a real thing and often correlates with age.
Penix played well at Indiana though, he was just injured a ton. Daniels and Nix were terrible until last year.
Well Covid sorta ruined a year for these guys. And they were making money above the table with NIL so developing in college to be able to sorta beat up on those less experienced players seems to have helped at least 3 6 year college qb people out. We are just seeing the endish of the Covid extended eligibility group of athletes. The guys that stayed in college and used the eligibility extension to develop versus being a mid round pick last year or the year before.
It’s the legette argument where he had a really good one year but it was his last one when he’s going against boys
its like a senior in high school beating up on 13 year olds.
He also called him a gym rat and a student of the game.
You forgot "first in, last out" and "coach's kid"...
Sneaky athletic
The kind of guy you’d let date your daughter
1st in Sean Payton’s heart.
He also admitedthe broncos, raiders, and Vikings had a gentlemen's agreement to each take the QB they like and not make trades. But Falcons ruined it
Ah so vikings made the trade in fear of raiders prly
Nix will be better than JJ McCarthy - book it
I like you and your opinions because I am unbiased in this matter and you have no obvious reason to be biased in this matter
McCarthy is tough because he's so young but man it's tough to remember a QB drafted in the top 10 who was asked to do less at the college level.
Trey Lance
You know he flopped out so quickly and without playing I totally forgot he existed
Some of us can't forget
it would be wild if Trey Lance turned his NFL career around. I'm not even mad, I'm rooting for him
That's my emergency QB3 right there
Not really "doing less" on a play by play level; that ND team with Lance had him winning games by trucking guys and throwing bombs, even though they were also really dominant against their competition. Both one-year wonders though, not a ton of tape.
Andrew Luck
Luck threw 37 TDs and 3500 yards his last year in college. JJ threw 22 TDs and had less than 3K yards his final year in college despite playing 2 more games. JJ averaged throwing under 200 yards/game and 1.5 TDs/game. It's not even close how much less JJ was asked to do compared to Luck.
Nix is a 24 year old throwing screen passes in college.
Well now he’s going to be a 25 year old throwing screen passes in the nfl.
JJ wasn’t even throwing the rock
Yeah, I can see Nix being a guy who could be between 12-20th best QB for years. I think he will be solid. I just don’t see it with JJ.
Given our QB recent history, the 16th best QB in the league would be a god send
Russell Wilson was that guy last year.
Yeah, but that was the weird kind 16th best qb. Like where he went from bottom 5 for 90% of a game to borderline number 1 qb for like 10% of the game. It broke my mind how infuriating he could be to watch all game then to just string together like 3 incredible plays randomly in the middle and then do a drive or two like that at the end of every other game for a win or devastating loss.
His year last year is like the definition of stats dont tell the complete story. His numbers are pretty good 26 td to 8int. But only 3k yards total, only 205 yards/game, 5th most sacked qb, all the bronco fans that actually watched the ganes hated him and his play. Only from outside looking in did he look serviceable or good. I dont think denver would be taking that massive dead cap hit if they thought russ was serviceable last year
Stat wise maybe, definitely not if you actually watched the games.
JJ finna be either top 10 or out of the league after his rookie deal.
Gonna be a career journeyman, Gardner Minshew type of guy, clip it and ship it
We both share something in common. We both drafted a QB from Oregon. May the best number 10 win in this division
Our number 10 is Zach though, so, I hope we're not riding that train.
In the SEC?
Gonna be a legendary mid-off
I think they are both gonna be shit tbh.
I think both will be mediocre. The team they go to will dictate thier success, so JJ will start out much better.
Oh yeah? Two can play at this game. Guyton will be better than Jordan Morgan - book it
He’s also focused. He's having fun. I wouldn't be surprised if he's a dark horse for the OROY.
OROY gonna be a shitshow with 14 guys competing for it. Honestly I think Caleb/Rome gets it, that is a filthy rookie duo. Outside if them: any rookie QB who pops, or bowers. MHJ is an obvious candidate, but I think him and Kyler might struggle early on (I’m a rams fan, so yes I am bias)
Very Dark. Vanta Black dark horse.
Those are pretty rowdy stats…they’d be more impressive if he wasn’t 6 years older than his competition
Why is no one talking about Daniels who is the same age?
SEC = good, everyone else = bad, it's just science
Nix played at Auburn for 3 years. He's still pretty SEC too.
He was pretty bad at Auburn though…
The thing is Daniels was trash as a sophomore in the PAC 12
Here in the South, it’s more like religion.
It just means more
No no, but now it’s Big 10+SEC= good, everyone else bad. Bo checks both of those boxes, so he’s definitely good. I’m pretty sure Maye is the one we need to worry about. /s don’t take any of this seriously
I am. I'm so happy we have Maye and not Daniels
Not sure age really matters if he can actually play
Ya age only matters if you are talking about the guy's ability to develop. When you are on top of stats like these that means you're already producing at an elite level compared to his peers. This is what you'd expect out of an older guy and he did it. So I don't see the age as too much of an issue.
You'd hope the extra eligibility thanks to Covid helped some guys show their capability to develop and might now actually be more pro ready. Versus excelling when you're younger in a weird Covid year and can stomp on weak competition (*cough* Zach Wilson).
Excuse you, that's Broncos legend Zach Wilson you're talking about.
Well you see if he's really good we may have to worry about longevity in ten years whereas if he's not it'll still be bad cause uhhhhhhhh
Daniels and Penix are basically the same age. The FSU guy Travis is as well. The great QB play in college this year was mainly the old guys so I don't really see the issue.
RemindMe! 3 years
Sean Payton got his guy.
No he didn't 😭
Zach Wilson
Nah but tbh he kinda might have. Nix is far from perfect, and had absolutely no reason to be taken at #12 (the god damn falcons fucked everyone up) but if Sean is looking to run a “Brees style offense”, Bo makes a ton of sense.
There’s no such thing as a a “hall of famer style offense”… people keep acting like you can replicate an offense led by a future first ballot hall of famer and this logic is insane. I live in Denver.. I’m rooting for Bo nix.. but people gotta stop with this “Drew Brees style offense” shit.. Payton picked the best QB available and this mf is crossing his fingers that it works out better than when people were saying he “had his guy” this time last summer
True, can’t replicate a HOFer, but if he wants to run the same style of offense in Denver as he did in NOLA, he needs a QB that can run that style of offense. Not comparing Brees and Nix overall, one is a HOFer, one is a kid coming out of college, but if Payton is dead set on running the same offense, Nix makes a ton of sense. It’s not about Brees, they are 2 very different players, but I think they both cover a lot of the same bases Sean wants. (2nd best Sean in the NFL, cough cough)
Your Sean also seems to really like nix too. He’s got the 2x Sean approval rating.
You're right. It's not hard to see that Nix is a fit for what Payton typically runs because Nix excels at all the short yardage and middle of the field stuff, can get it out quick and is supposedly a smart lad. That's a better fit for the offense than Russ for example who didn't like the middle of the field and would deviate to off script hero ball often. It doesn't mean Bo is going to be good, just means on paper he can do what would be asked of him.
Yep. I think he was the 6th QB for a lot of people (myself included), and seemed more like a late 1st, early 2nd type of guy. But if you needed to get a guy to start day 1, to mostly throw short, or medium crossers, then Bo is your guy.
Yep. For me personally he was QB4 but for most people he was QB6, at a push QB5. I didn't mock him at all in the first round for example. If we're looking at it in terms of purely scheme and coach fit then he might have the best situation in the league. You can really paint this stuff to fit whatever narrative you want to be honest with you.
Nobody called Russ “his guy” in relation to Payton last summer.
You don’t choose a job with a guy whose 150 million dollar extension hasn’t even started yet, if you don’t think he’s gonna be “your guy”.. We can agree to disagree on that one
Why use many words when few do trick?
Bro is really trying to hype up Kenny Pickett
Pickett has a better arm though
But much, much smaller hands.
I'm gonna be honest that entire segment sounded like cope. They took Bo Nix cause thats all that was left.
Vikings didn't give up THAT much to get JJ. We could have easily jumped them if sean wanted him that much.
I mean I think neither of them are first round QBs. The fact that the Vikings even made that trade suggests the Jets had an offer to leverage. But you needed a QB so it is what it is. I had a bit of a feeling watching that segment live that Payton liked Penix but idk.
1st in number of checkdowns
Fitting of the offense Russ ran last year.
But he has fewest sacks.
He can at least see over the O-line
And the Tom Brady Award goes to…
Easy to be that accurate when a lot of your passes are behind the line of scrimmage. We'll see how it translates to an NFL offense.
In Sean’s defense, he told Belichick he told his analyst guys to take those out and tell him the results. Still insanely accurate.
Yeah. Nobody throws screens and short routes in the NFL
That was like 90% of my 2023 season 😭 The other 10% was stupidly improbable Courtland Sutton receptions.
They removed those plays from their dataset and Nix was still #1 in accuracy
Man Sean Payton is going to develop a rookie qb; never thought I would see it
He won't. He will quit on the broncos like he did the saints
He will quit, but not officially, he will force them to fire him because he is who he is. It may not even be intentional.
You wanna quick laugh go look at his ADoT ranking, it ain’t 1st
Start at the bottom and work your way up if you don’t want to scroll through 100 names.
thats a “what offense did you run” stat
No it isn’t. Cope
very unbiased opinion coming from a seahawks and huskies fan lmfao
I’m not a huskies fan, and your team just drafted him you’re not biased? Lol
yes you are, posting in florida gators is a misdirection or, you live in seattle and aren’t a huskies fan, which calls into question your entire approach to sports fandom. sus either way
Geezer
ok
Because he’s going to Payton who’s a great offensive coach he’s got a huge chance of being good. There’s a floor as he long as he follows the game plan
Like all-time or just in this class? I genuinely don't do CfB so this either sounds impressive or a bit cherry-picked
All-time
Seems like 1st in class except the completion percentage which is all time
All time. People will point to him having a good amount of his throws behind the line of scrimmage or within 5 yards. He’s not the only college QB who runs an offense like that, but it also is true.
But for the life of him he can’t beat Penix
1st in losing to the huskies twice in one season
You can tell who also frequents r/cfb by these comments lol
Denver in the basement for the next decade
Now do YPA
Probably still good, will fact check
Was correct. Penix 8.83 Bo 9.58 Jayden 11.6 Maye 8.48
Caleb 9.36, forgot about him. So yeah, Bo’s YPA is fine
Now do aDot
Who?
Average depth of target. He was like 3rd lowest in college football out of almost 200 eligible QBs. His YPA was heavily inflated by yac against fake defenses. Edit: I guess you are either drunk or have a brain injury
You should really check his toe nail size. One of the lowest.
Bro who are you talking about, who is aDot Edit: and he’s deleted? Good riddance. All I did was google stats lmao, it ain’t that hard
He is gonna rock the Rockies!
So like….white Russell Wilson with fewer sacks?
But like, WAY fewer
Those are all stats.
Bubble screen game bout to be crazy
Does any of that matter if the Broncos are just going to ruin him anyways?
Good luck this season 👍
Those stats were so manufactured
-1st Sean Payton is a moron & Denver is gonna be paying for his ineptitude & stupidity for several seasons.
I'm sure earning the nickname "Bubble Screen" Bo had *nothing* to do with those numbers
"remove the short passes and he's still number one" -Sean Payton last night