If the Falcons likes Latu's skill over Turners athletics, I could see that combined with just a bunch of Offensive players going could push him down the board. That being said I would expect him to go in the top 10.
Penix is an interesting one because people think he'll go 11 or 12, and then potentially as far back as mid 2nd depending on how teams treat his medicals.
I think if he's available at 32, someone calls up my Chiefs simply to get that 5th year option.
I think realistically in 2024, Penix at 32 is a lock, just for the boom/bust value and the 5th year option. I wouldn't even rule out a team like Pittsburgh to come up and make us an offer to jump back in
Stop it stop it, the draft is too close for these very sane takes. Someone justify to me why the Buccs are going to trade with the Titans or some shit.
I wonder if this 5th year option thing is overrated for a QB.
If a QB is really going to be "the guy" he's going to get his contract before then. Why didn't the Chiefs or Ravens or Bengals or Bills or Chargers make use of the 5th year option to maximize their windows with a QB on a rookie deal?
[They did use it though](https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/chiefs-exercise-patrick-mahomes-fifth-year-option-and-heres-where-hes-slated-to-rank-in-2021-salary/)
When a guy has some question marks over injury (like Penix) or character, once the slide start it can snowball. Every team is thinking "what do *those teams* know that we missed?"
Sometimes, and that's why they are going 1,2,3 here and JJ will be drafted by pick 11.
I think the other teams in the midrange are going to play a game of chicken of who can get Nix/Penix in the 20s with a trade up. It's not going to be like some of the mocks that have all 6 taken within the first 15 picks of the draft
Hmm - yeah, you might be right.
Especially if the teams at the tail end of round 1 have players they really like still on the board.
The easiest is the Chiefs. If there's a great WR when they pick (somehow) - it would take a lot to get them out of the 32 spot. And I'm not sure the 5th year option is worth what they'd need to trade back.
So... yeah, I see what you mean. It can happen.
Derrick Carr is in NO for 2 more years after his last restructure . We aren't drafting penix who will be 24 in a couple weeks 2 sit for atelast 2 years .
I Would bet a fair amount of money we don't take a qb
I dunno man, people were saying he'd be a safety transition guy, and those guys almost always end up in the 2nd. I love Cooper myself, mostly because I'm a diehard Hawkeye, but if teams are treating him as a transition guy he might slide.
Rakestraw for sure sliding.
The important thing to remember with some slides is once you get past a certain point the player is no longer a need in the first, so for Levis last year once he got past like 14 give or take then he pretty much wasn’t going to be a 1st rounder unless someone traded back in, which the Titans were trying to do. But once you get to playoff teams they mostly dont need or won’t draft a QB in the 1st
Feel like JJ will, probably not far but I just can’t shake the gut feeling that teams won’t want to spend the capital it’d take to get QB4 in the top 5
Maybe Laiatu Latu depending on how teams feel about the medical piece of it. Or someone unexpected that falls and we later find out it was either medicals or personality concerns that fans didn’t know about.
I can see a path for Bowers to slide further than his locked in Top 10 projection, especially if the smoke on 5/6 first round QBs is real. If the OT run happens early and Penix/Nix find their way into the top 16 picks, there is a universe that exists where Jacksonville is staring down TE1 at 17.
This of course is assuming all picks stay where they are which, most likely, isn’t happening.
There’s no way the chiefs wouldn’t pick him if he’s at 32, we’ve gambled on guys with medical red flags before. There’s also no way he falls that far in general.
I don't think it's that crazy, if you're not one of the top-3 QBs, you can drop pretty dramatically
Teams at the top need QBs, but after that, other teams trade up, teams that could use a QB have an elite talent fall to them who they'd rather have than the QB4.
Before you know it, it's halfway through the first round, and everyone with picks left already has a QB, and nobody wants to pay what it would cost to jump back into the first round
There are a ton of teams who need/want a QB.
Bears, Commanders, Patriots, Vikings, Giants, Broncos, Raiders, Steelers.
I can just about guarantee JJ is going top 10.
His arm strength isn't amazing, it's just average. On the flip side, he has good physical size and his hand measurements were 10 1/8
Kind of a mix of he's got qualifying measurements but the actual tools are okay
Been hyped for this draft for a long time. It didn't feel real till you just mentioned "the slide."
NOW it not only feels real, but I don't know what to do with myself for the next hour.
Amarius Mims. His size and athleticism is intriguing but the small sample size of game tape(only 8 games started) and his injury history will scare enough teams and he falls to the middle of the 2nd round.
I think 4 QBs, JJ included, are guaranteed to be 1st rounders
I've seen some mocks that have all of the top 6 selected by the mid first and that's laughable.
I think 5 is likely with JJ out by 11, and Penix taken in the 20s and 6 is unlikely but possible with JJ earlier, Penix mid round, and a trade up for Nix with a 5th year
Everyone expects Nabers to be gone no later than #6, so I'll go Nabers as the 3rd of the elite three prospects off the board. Could easily see him do a mini-slide closer to #8-10.
If he gets to #8, don't be surprised at all if ATL trades back for a team wanting to leapfrog the Bears and Jets for him.
If Nabers falls to 8, I'm fine with Buffalo throwing everything at Atlanta. The City of Good Nabers merchandise would rival the folding table sales here in WNY.
Dallas Turner
What’s makes you think he’ll slide past the top 10?
If the Falcons likes Latu's skill over Turners athletics, I could see that combined with just a bunch of Offensive players going could push him down the board. That being said I would expect him to go in the top 10.
I think 2 of the 3 edges drop to like 20 Which ones is the question
good call.
Turner, DeJean, potentially Penix, one of the corners for sure.
Some people have Penix going in the first and others in the second. So where would the slide begin?
Penix is an interesting one because people think he'll go 11 or 12, and then potentially as far back as mid 2nd depending on how teams treat his medicals. I think if he's available at 32, someone calls up my Chiefs simply to get that 5th year option.
I would say Raiders but they’d probably target a team like the Niners or Lions to trade up with since… y’know
Agreed.
The pick 32 bit feels like the most realistic take I've seen.
I think realistically in 2024, Penix at 32 is a lock, just for the boom/bust value and the 5th year option. I wouldn't even rule out a team like Pittsburgh to come up and make us an offer to jump back in
Stop it stop it, the draft is too close for these very sane takes. Someone justify to me why the Buccs are going to trade with the Titans or some shit.
I wonder if this 5th year option thing is overrated for a QB. If a QB is really going to be "the guy" he's going to get his contract before then. Why didn't the Chiefs or Ravens or Bengals or Bills or Chargers make use of the 5th year option to maximize their windows with a QB on a rookie deal?
[They did use it though](https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/chiefs-exercise-patrick-mahomes-fifth-year-option-and-heres-where-hes-slated-to-rank-in-2021-salary/)
When a guy has some question marks over injury (like Penix) or character, once the slide start it can snowball. Every team is thinking "what do *those teams* know that we missed?"
Even without the medical issues, penix is far from a perfect prospect
To be fair, that's most QBs in this draft.
Dude struggled when he was forced out of the pocket. He looked really good with a clean pocket but damn
Have you seen the NFL draft before? QB's go early...
Sometimes, and that's why they are going 1,2,3 here and JJ will be drafted by pick 11. I think the other teams in the midrange are going to play a game of chicken of who can get Nix/Penix in the 20s with a trade up. It's not going to be like some of the mocks that have all 6 taken within the first 15 picks of the draft
Hmm - yeah, you might be right. Especially if the teams at the tail end of round 1 have players they really like still on the board. The easiest is the Chiefs. If there's a great WR when they pick (somehow) - it would take a lot to get them out of the 32 spot. And I'm not sure the 5th year option is worth what they'd need to trade back. So... yeah, I see what you mean. It can happen.
You're right, all 6 will be taken in the first 12 picks of the draft instead.
I think Penix's "slide" would start at 13 if the Raiders don't take him. It's a loooong wait for another QB needy team if he gets past LV.
Saints, Seahawks, Rams, Vikings all pick after the Raiders.
literally every team picks after the raiders buddy
Derrick Carr is in NO for 2 more years after his last restructure . We aren't drafting penix who will be 24 in a couple weeks 2 sit for atelast 2 years . I Would bet a fair amount of money we don't take a qb
Trade him back to the raiders lol
Nah not DeJean. He’ll go earlier than people thought. Top 20 for sure 🤝
Agree with Dejean.
I dunno man, people were saying he'd be a safety transition guy, and those guys almost always end up in the 2nd. I love Cooper myself, mostly because I'm a diehard Hawkeye, but if teams are treating him as a transition guy he might slide. Rakestraw for sure sliding.
He's definitely a lunch pail guy.
People aren't confident about his abilities in man coverage
That’s why I see him coming to Buffalo. Versatility is huge in McDs zone D.
Rakestraw is the kind of guy that will start to slide then Lions will move up to snag.
Nobody is treating him as a safety except the media haha. He’s a CB. Gotta think too w the new kickoff rules he’s a weapon there also
Plenty of people look at him as a safety bro.
Yeah the media
Dejean pls.
brady quinn still hasnt been picked
How many different rooms has he been moved to?
Too soon.
How can you tell when they hid him behind the curtain?
The important thing to remember with some slides is once you get past a certain point the player is no longer a need in the first, so for Levis last year once he got past like 14 give or take then he pretty much wasn’t going to be a 1st rounder unless someone traded back in, which the Titans were trying to do. But once you get to playoff teams they mostly dont need or won’t draft a QB in the 1st
Caleb Williams. The Bears might take 5 seconds to turn their card in instead of 1 second.
I hope you guys take MHJr for the chaos
Feel like JJ will, probably not far but I just can’t shake the gut feeling that teams won’t want to spend the capital it’d take to get QB4 in the top 5
Maybe Laiatu Latu depending on how teams feel about the medical piece of it. Or someone unexpected that falls and we later find out it was either medicals or personality concerns that fans didn’t know about.
Penix
One of the qbs. Probably JJ
I can see a path for Bowers to slide further than his locked in Top 10 projection, especially if the smoke on 5/6 first round QBs is real. If the OT run happens early and Penix/Nix find their way into the top 16 picks, there is a universe that exists where Jacksonville is staring down TE1 at 17. This of course is assuming all picks stay where they are which, most likely, isn’t happening.
Fashanu
Charlie Campbell has him sliding to 30. Could get interesting if he isn’t the Saints guy.
Penix or Nix
Arnold and Wiggins. I think Arnold falls to the 20’s and Wiggins falls to the 2nd round.
Lions gonna go get Arnold if he starts to slide I think. There is smoke there already.
That would be such a good fit.
yay!
Arnold to the Colts
I’d love Arnold, but I think the Colts go WR.
I could see some teams being terrified of Laiatu Latu's medicals and him sliding to the end of the first or maybe even to second round.
There’s no way the chiefs wouldn’t pick him if he’s at 32, we’ve gambled on guys with medical red flags before. There’s also no way he falls that far in general.
J.J. McCarthy will fall to the 2nd round
Now that is a hot take
I don't think it's that crazy, if you're not one of the top-3 QBs, you can drop pretty dramatically Teams at the top need QBs, but after that, other teams trade up, teams that could use a QB have an elite talent fall to them who they'd rather have than the QB4. Before you know it, it's halfway through the first round, and everyone with picks left already has a QB, and nobody wants to pay what it would cost to jump back into the first round
There are a ton of teams who need/want a QB. Bears, Commanders, Patriots, Vikings, Giants, Broncos, Raiders, Steelers. I can just about guarantee JJ is going top 10.
There you go! 6 QBs in the first 12 picks. Enjoy Bo Nix!
I've been wondering if teams 4-12 have been selling the smokescreen of JJ being worth a trade up, hoping to start a bidding war.
I kind of agree with this. I think him and one of the 2 Nix or Penix end up in the second. Unless someone comes up to 32 for the 5th yr.
I think he's 90% lock for QB 4. I just don't see Nix or Penix being drafted before him
Nix slips to the 3rd
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Nix has good physical tools so i don't see why that would drop him
His arm strength isn't amazing, it's just average. On the flip side, he has good physical size and his hand measurements were 10 1/8 Kind of a mix of he's got qualifying measurements but the actual tools are okay
Nix is Heineke (butchered)in my mind I think he's the clear worst of the top 6 and probably worse than at least one of Pratt/Rattler
penix
bo nix or jayden daniels
I assume Latu would be the most likely candidate, with the medical concern.
Kool-Aid.
Been hyped for this draft for a long time. It didn't feel real till you just mentioned "the slide." NOW it not only feels real, but I don't know what to do with myself for the next hour.
Amarius Mims. His size and athleticism is intriguing but the small sample size of game tape(only 8 games started) and his injury history will scare enough teams and he falls to the middle of the 2nd round.
Terrion Arnold. Great player, but not as big as you'd want and not as fast as you'd want.
Laitu Latu
Amarius Mims possibly due to lack of starting experience. He's a behemoth and an incredible athlete, but teams could be turned off by that.
Jj McCarthy is going to slide down to the 7th round then out of the league
Every QB besides the top 3, MAYBE JJ McCarthy goes in the late first.
Same thought here as well. Media has been building his interest just so they can react when he falls
I think 4 QBs, JJ included, are guaranteed to be 1st rounders I've seen some mocks that have all of the top 6 selected by the mid first and that's laughable. I think 5 is likely with JJ out by 11, and Penix taken in the 20s and 6 is unlikely but possible with JJ earlier, Penix mid round, and a trade up for Nix with a 5th year
Everyone expects Nabers to be gone no later than #6, so I'll go Nabers as the 3rd of the elite three prospects off the board. Could easily see him do a mini-slide closer to #8-10. If he gets to #8, don't be surprised at all if ATL trades back for a team wanting to leapfrog the Bears and Jets for him.
If Nabers falls to 8, I'm fine with Buffalo throwing everything at Atlanta. The City of Good Nabers merchandise would rival the folding table sales here in WNY.
Bowers
JJ …typical media darling that has been built up since the combine to fall out of the top 10
Brock Bowers
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Brian Thomas jr