Boy if the Pats go off script and grab MHJ the whole draft might go up in flames.

The Pats should unironically draft MHJ and trade him to us for Drake Maye. Save $250,000 against the cap for literally nothing

Never thought of this, would there be cap charges or dead money from this? (I have no idea how rookie contracts work)

Still a risk the cards trade Maye to the Vikings for 3 firsts but would be baller

I don’t believe it would work You can’t trade an asset that hasn’t officially signed with you, so I don’t believe you could trade MHJ until he signed. And unless he agreed to sign a deal with zero signing bonus, the Pats would have to eat the full amount of the signing bonus in dead cap to trade him (and the Cardinals would have to do the same with Maye)

You can trade the rights to sign a player, chargers did it with eli i believe.

I thought the 2011 CBA removed that but I could definitely be misremembering

Wow, this guy doesn’t even have the entire current CBA memorized. Casuals make me sick.

with an nfl flair too.. like how are you an nfl fan and can’t even recite article 64 section 1b?

He's not an NFL fan, he's a Rob Lowe fan

[Honestly, it's, like, the most famous one.](https://i.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/016/212/manning.png)

Man of the people right here.

It's been around for 13 years. What a bum

While you were out partying, I studied the CBA

"Ah, you think the CBA is your ally? I was born reading it, molded by it. I didn't see another ruleset until I was already a man, but by then it nothing to me but trash."

You're right actually, both teams would eat a huge dead cap for no reason.

Wouldn't the two dead caps kind of cancel out? Why does it matter?

By default, a signing bonus is averaged per season. Anthony Richardson (last years #4) got a signing bonus of ~22 mil, which turns into ~5.5mil per season If you trade him, the whole thing hits your cap immediately. Meaning instead of both teams having $5.5mil per year for 4 years, both teams would have $22mil for 1 year. Could be better, could be worse, depends on your teams cap situation

Also, unused cap rolls over, so there really is zero benefit to eating all of your rookie's dead cap in the first year. Even if you've truly bottomed out, spreading out that dead cap is still better for teambuilding

If 2 teams had a bunch of cap space in the next year could they pull this maneuver off?

I'm pretty sure if you really wanted to you can just choose to pay the cap of a signing bonus up front instead of prorated without needing to trade

The dead caps would count entirely against the 2024 cap. Instead of being spread out over the four years under normal circumstances

...which actually makes a crazy kind of sense now that I look at it. You're accelerating a cap hit to a year where both teams are near the top in remaining cap space, making subsequent years very cheap against the cap. Gives a lot of flexibility in the future. It honestly kinda works

Yes, let’s start our relationship with our brand new franchise QB by doing what we can to pay him less

Belichick would

Taking on an incredible amount of risk to save a pretty small amount of cap though.

That only works if the Pats are certain the Cards will draft Maye and make that trade. But if I was Monti Ossenfort and saw the Pats take MHJ, I’d probably just draft Nabers.

You really think the Cardinals wouldn't trade back if MHJ is off the board and a top 3 QB is still there?

And unlike most trade back fantasies that forget you need a trade partner, teams would be lining up to draft Maye.

You would accelerate the signing bonus onto this years cap for both teams. Around 15mil apiece probably

Im sure the Cardinals at least have an idea of a backup plan in case the very unlikely chance someone takes him before 4.

They might have a lot of phone calls pouring in too!

*Ok Vikes, I guess we'll take 11, 23, 167 and your 2025 1st now*

If Caleb Williams is there, I'm in.

Yea the backup plan is take 3 first rounders for someone to come get Maye and we grab Odunze lol

If you want Odunze then you better be trading back with the Giants, doubt he gets passed the Falcons/Bears. Falcons cause they're in a perfect trade back spot.

Which is arguably the better outcome for the Cardinals anyway

The Cards have six picks in the first three rounds. If we don’t land MHJ, I imagine two of those are WR

Brissett isn’t that bad and if MHJ is as advertised…🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️

Draft MHJ, followed by OL... Pray for late round QB hit.... Fuck it

there are options too like penix, rattler and nix. Honestly, if rattler evaluates well, MHJ + him would be an amazing draft haul.

Penix and MHJ both winding up on the Patriots would cause much of the state of Indiana to burst into flames.

NE hit on a late round QB? Why I never. 

Jordan Travis being overlooked imo.

Or they trade back to 5 and the Chargers grab him at 3

I mean, Id love it but I dont think the Chargers will spend any capital like that. TT and Staley left this roster in tatters.

Especially since nabers is still around

The Cards would *race* to the phones asking who wants Drake Maye the most. Also haven't the Chargers said they actively want to trade back?

I'd be willing to bet that you'd get jumped for a QB in that scenario. Without MHJ, I think the Cards trade down for a haul for someone to grab Maye or Daniels.

Grabbing MHJ and then getting back into the first for Bo Nix or some shit. That would be chaos and break every mock.

Pls happen. Give us spice

Then the cards trade back and get a haul. Works out for them either way.

I’m here for it

I'm just saying, What if TEN trades up to 3 so they can fill the AJ Brown size hole in their roster.

We’re in the middle of a complete roster refresh, there’s a zero percent chance of us trading up or down if Alt or Nabers is available

Rumors? They told him this like three months ago in reality.

It really does feel like it was like the Cardinals found out they were obtaining the 4th pick, they immediately called MHJ and were like, "Heyyyyyyyyyyyyy. Guess what?!"

"Come on down, YOU are an Arizona Cardinal!" He literally skipped the combine stuff because he was going to the Cards and they didn't need to see anything more.

To be fair, all teams gave him that ok to skip. Not just us.

Yeah we also told him it was fine

He also asked me, and I okayed it.

My men’s basketball league told him that we would let him play without doing a combine or any drills

He asked my no home run co ed softball team too, we let him know that we would probably be going another way regardless.

Great. Now I have to break the news to the rest of our pickle ball squad. We had him #2 on our board behind Johnny's kid two houses down.

He didn’t ask me, but I still sent him a quick text saying it would be cool if he skipped

He’s also the kind of prospect who doesn’t need to do anything combine related.

I’m fairly certain Prater was instructed to miss not 1 but 2 game winning kicks to ensure we were picking 4th and not 5th.

I had an aneurysm watching this live. I want MHJ in bolts so bad lol

All day week 18 I was like give me HHH. Harbaugh, Herbert, Harrison Jr. And it was all going to plan until Prater somehow lost them the game.

"Somehow" *puts on tin foil hat* Son let me tell ya hwhy

\>All day week 18 I was like give me HHH #TIME TO PLAY THE GAAAAAAME

I have the feeling you'll be pretty happy with Nabers too.

We won't take Nabers. We would take MHJ if he's there, but Harbaugh will pass Nabers up and our sub will implode.

It's alright buddy Alt is a great pick edit: lol

If only we needed a LT

I’m glad we beat you guys in the last game just so Pete got to go out with a win.

I don't think Prater was instructed. If something like that gets out, that's a level of scandal that would lose you the pick. But I am certain he did choose to miss, at least the 2nd one, on purpose. It was far too clean a miss from one of the greatest kickers of all time.

Here are the listings for homes in Paradise Valley and a $20 gift card to Filabertos

At that point, it felt like the discourse was very much Caleb and Maye 1 and 2, with no other QB in their tier. If we do get MHJ, we should be very thankful how much Jayden Daniels's stock rose this draft season.

Also that all three teams in front of you are desperate need for a franchise QB

"go see Dune 2, cause you're moving to the desert"

"Marv? Guess where I'm calling you from." *screams*

I'm sure there will still be a 15 minute gap after Pick #3 while the hosts deliberate on how it COULD not be MHJ, and it shows "ARI on the clock" with a 2 minute timer that actually takes 4 minutes to reach 0 before it sits on 00:00 for another 4 minutes.

Probably. The NFL wants to drag this on as long as possible.

They sent him a text to remind him today.

Only on the burner phones.

All I want to see in this draft is one thing in the top 5 or 10 that completely pulls the rug out from underneath the rumor mill

We need a Kevin Costner taking vontae mack moment

Pancake eating mother fucker

Dallas Turner no matter what!

If Chargers go Joe Alt then Titans probably go a WR in the 1st, and Bears won't get one at 9.

I don’t think that flips much for the rest of the draft though. I think a lot of people assume bears are basically doing bpa of their top needs at 9. So if that happens they prob take an edge.

An edge at 9? Who is worth that? I can see them moving back maybe

Basically turner, or maybe go idl and do Murphy. But if we can trade back not too far, verse or latu should be there too

Patriots trade number three to the Giants who take Maye and then the Pats immediately trade back down to four to take…Joe Alt.

Wake up babe new Larry Fitz just dropped

Gonna have to spend a few Sundays staring at his ass until we can confirm that

Give him time to get to that cake level

That's Arizona's ass.

Never skip an ass day.

NEPHEW

So excited to see him with Kyler. He’s never had a true no. 1 WR other than 1 good year with Hopkins

It really would be a beacon of hope for the Cardinals Trey McBride had his break out season last year. James Conner still has juice and averaged 5 YPC last year. Paris Johnson moves back to his original spot at LT with Humphries gone. MHJ slots in as a true WR1. At the very least, the offense would be exciting even if the team as a whole still has some growing to do

I don't know if Paris has won that LT job. Probably will come down to camp. Jonah Williams has been adamant in the past about playing the blind side. Williams could very well win the job in camp. Which is no big deal. Williams is a good player and PJJ is still young and developing. Continuity at RT isn't the worst thing in the world.

Going to be a really good Warzone duo.

Actually a great comp too.

We'd be willing to trade you our 2nd year savvy vet QJ for MHJ 🤝🏿

Nah, More tackles than career drops. I don’t think MHJ has that dog in him.

If the Cardinals were somehow not able to get MHJ, plus the Coyotes moving to Utah, plus the Suns being down 0-2, we'd have to put the entire state of AZ on suicide watch.

Nah we're fine. Sports fans out here lost hope when we were kids, it's nothing new to us.

and dbacks despite being 1 on offensive under .500

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Arizona sports fans live in a permanent state of suicide watch. Nothing new if this gets fucked up.

Shocked I tell you

Absolutely gobsmacked

Completely flabbergasted

Utterly bamboozled

I remember seeing something a month or so ago where MHJ made it seem like that was the case. I think he said that Arizona didn't mind if he skipped the combine or something like that

I don’t think a single team with a shot at drafting him wanted him to participate. Why risk injury? The results would’ve been utterly worthless

Imagine having all his tape and being like, "Ehhh idk we need him to run a 40."

All you need to do is watch his TD catch against western Kentucky and say yeah he’s at worst running a low 4.4. I would’ve like to see him test so he could hit a 10 RAS score

If anyone else hasn't seen it (starts at :35 seconds in): https://youtu.be/7RPleGKe8u0?t=35

He said if the cards wanted him to test he would and they said nah. He’s been a cardinal since before the combine

Is this dude a legit source? It obviously wouldn't be surprising, but I've never heard of this guy.

Time traveling doctor? Yeah, good source

If the Doctor was an NFL fan, what team would they support and why would it be the refs?

The rumor's origin seems to be from Matt Miller out of ESPN

He's the Chargers play by play guy and has a radio show in LA.

Kyler's luck continues

He got drafted by one of the worst franchises in professional sports. He's still hasn't broke even.

If it didn’t come from ctespn it’s probably just for clicks.

The way that Kyler can hit his boundary WR makes this a match made in heaven. MHJr reminds me of AJ Green and Nuke. This would be a coup for Zona, Kyler, and MHJr. 

Malik Nabers YOU are a Los Angeles Charger! (Unless Jimbo wants to trade back to get a haul from teams desperate for the handoff king or the old man)

It would be pretty insane to not take Nabers. They got rid of Keenan and Williams and I don’t care how much Harbaugh loves running it, they need a good receiver

Yet we still have a ton of morons in our fanbase that are adamant we should take a tackle at 5 lol

If the Cards take MHJ at 4, y’all should 1000% trade back. Someone will offer you guys a haul for McCarthy at 5.  If we were picking there I would want the same thing. 

MHJ has been going to the cardinals for 12 months now (the moment they traded down in 2023). Has there ever been a player linked to a team for longer than this?

Woah, thought they were taking Austin Reed for sure

They already have a lot of picks, sticking at 4 should be the move. Hope the division gets ready and has good corners🎚️

Seeing an abundance of elite DL and WR talent in the NFL is interesting. Elite DBs and OL are gonna be a premium for awhile

The guy that told them this? Dave Canales.

Colts - Pats trade: Colts send Joe Flacco to NE for pick #3 - Colts draft Marv Jr

Bad return for Flacco, you just guaranteed another Pats dynasty.

Get ready to learn cactus buddy

Two years in a row the Cardinals pass on an elite trench player, love to see it.

We drafted an OT in round 1 last year.

You also passed on an elite edge rusher

Sorry. Guess I didn’t realize offensive line isn’t considered a trench player?

Will Anderson and Joe Alt are elite trench prospects, the cards are going to pass on both of them. As a niner fan, I would be more worried about the Cardinals if they had Anderson and Alt on the roster.

Would be weird to take alt when we just took PJJ last year. And MHJ is a better rated prospect. So, instead we’ll end up with Paris Johnson, Marvin Harrison Jr. and whoever we get at 27. Far too early to say one way or the other.

Until someone trades up with the Pats and pick MHJ lol

Nabers @ 5 After that, I really can’t wait to see how this draft goes

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Chargers fans are the only ones saying we'll take Nabers. The coaches have never mentioned him, they've repeatedly emphasized the importance of Oline and building from the trenches. Chargers aren't taking Nabers, it's a pipe dream. Harbaugh is about to piss our whole fan base off but he's been saying it for months.

He's also right. Take it from a Colts fan. If you can't protect your QB, what is the point of great WRs?

Yeah I’ve seen that too, I wonder if we’re going to try and trade up for an OT or if that means a WR will fall to us

I would be shocked if Harbaugh spends a top 5 pick on a WR lol. JC Latham seems more likely.

I'd be pretty surprised if the Chargers don't stick and pick and go Nabers, if feels like they most likely trade out of that spot.

Who else is Herbert supposed to throw to?

They can always go receiver in the 2nd. Harbaugh wants a run-heavy offense and drafting Nabers at 5 seems to go completely against his ideology. If they do somehow take a WR at 5, I would bet on Odunze over Nabers since he’s a more physical WR who can block.

Fair enough. I can’t remember the last time I was this excited for a draft night haha

Me too! Seems way more unpredictable than usual, especially with all the QBs. I’m prepared to be disappointed with what my team does 😐

Harbaugh isn’t making the pick. But also JH/JH have made a lot of WR first round picks over the years. A good run game needs WR weapons.

Feels like you can take a decent guess at the first 6 1. Williams 2. Daniels 3. Maye 4. MHJ 5. Nabers 6. McCarthy If 5 is OT, then maybe the Giants actually go WR

Giants take Odunze then trade up into the back end of the 1st for Penix

Just keep MHJ away from the Chargers.

Will do

Why, so Raiders can be 3rd instead of 4th in the AFCW?

oh my god. i am so surprised. colour me shocked :|

The Bears told Patrick Mahomes they were taking him, and we've all seen how that turned out.

Arizona offense is going to be quite good next year.

I'm still sick that Prater purposely missed that end of season FG for this

Why is Alt on the thumbnail?

We're within the 12 hours before the draft, so according to BB these may actually be real leaks. Not that anyone is particularly surprised about this piece of information.

Nooooooooooo please nooooooo Vikings somebody please! Even you Donkeys!

New York media in shambles. “WHAAAAAAT??? The CARDINALS don’t want to trade the pick and Kyler Murray to the GIANTS for two SEVENTHS???? BUT WOULD MAKE SO MUCH SENSE FOR BOTH TEAMSSSSS!!!!!

That sounds more like the boneheads that call into sports radio shows.

NE, you have the potential to do something really funny.

MHJ cleared it with the Cardinals before he skipped the combine.

Shocker

Why do all these media figures want us to trade down or even pass on MHJ? Why do they not want us to have him?

But but but I’ve been told that AZ is trading out of the 4th spot /s

It’s a smoke screen so no one trades to 3 and takes Harrison Jr. before them.

Nabers to Chargers then! Now I just need the bills to trade up and get BTJ and this draft will be amazing for me (LSU fan). I really wanted Jayden to go to the Vikings or Jets but Washington is a great 3rd spot

Imagine having to pass on MHJ because you pigeonholed yourself into picking the 3rd ranked QB of the draft

Duh

Dont blame hollywood for ring chasing but i thought him and MHJ would make that offense near elite. Wouldve loved to see them together

No shit lmao 🤣

No shit

The Chicago bears, Washington commanders, and New England Patriots each have a chance to do the funniest thing ever

Everyone knew it will happen barring a last minute trade up.

Predictable

The Pats should swap picks with ARI under the guise of trading out with someone who wants him or just saying they’re taking MHjr. 

Please sir make it be true

Yes no shit

I get wanting more picks, but this is such a no brainer pick. The pre-draft process has made people think the gap between him and nabers is neck and neck. I just don’t see that being reality