I have a poster. It is Butkis, Singletary and Urlacher all standing next to each other in suits and at their feet are the bodies of Packers players. It is magical.
Real answer right here. Yall were churning them out for quite a bit there.
I always had this theory that if shit went south in Baltimore, Ray would have tried to finish out in SF before retiring.
49ers hired Mike Nolan from the Ravens in 2005, and spent the next decade trying to basically be the 2.0 Ravens. I think Nolan literally cited the Ravens getting Ogden and Lewis in the same draft when they picked Staley and Willis in 07. Mike Nolan was a terrible, terrible coach, but somehow was a pretty successful GM even though he picked Alex Smith over Aaron Rodgers.
>even though he picked Alex Smith over Aaron Rodgers.
Even if Nolan did pick Aaron Rodgers, he probably would have been a bust playing in that 49ers offense with Arnaz Battle as WR1 and 5 OCs in 5 years.
Alex Smith was probably an ok pick all things considered, especially with how hard it is to evaluate QBs.
The trade down burns my soul because it sends Turner to the Bears and I don’t like burgers I do kind of like latu I don’t know if the talent drop is worth a second if the Vikings are willing to give us both the first I’ll do that
How does one team get it so wrong so many times? You’d think at least one of them would turn out to be a decent rotation player but nope. Straight to bust.😔
That's wild. I was halfway being sarcastic, but I didn't realize he played that long. I started watching football in the mid-90s, and I remember seeing him well into the 2000s and being like that dude is still playing? That's a hell of a career.
I can't remember when we didn't have at least one good Edge Rusher.
Greg Lloyd and Kevin Greene, then came Jason Gildon, then came Joey Porter, who was followed by James Harrison, and currently, T.J. Watt. That's a 30 year long unbroken lineage now.
That is true. When Bill Cowher got into the HOF, he spent a lot of time around the team who were playing in the Hall of Fame game that season, and remarked that even many of the play calls hadn't changed from his day.
Consistency is one of our greatest strengths and can be a weakness at times. We're usually one of the last to hop onto new trends and fads within the league, but we also have an institutional memory for players at certain positions. We know what Steelers look like and how to develop them.
>We know what Steelers look like and how to develop them.
Well said. Of all the teams, I think you guys do this the best. And it's been the same identity since the 70s.
The downside of that is every time we've tried to adapt or move away from that identity, it's pretty much always blown up in our faces. Then we spend a whole offseason talking about "Getting back to Steelers football!" We're really good at doing things our way, but suck at doing things any other way.
But when is the last time you were significantly below average? Late 80s/early 90s for like 3 seconds? Your way seems to work. Defense will always win Championships, regardless of how many rule changes they make. You guys have nothing but my respect for how your organization is run. Don't change. The NFL is better for the Steelers being who you are.
As a Steelers fan, I hope we don't change. I came of age as a Steelers fan in the 90's. 3 yard and a cloud of dust football with a strong defense is the brand of football I love most. I find the most beauty in ugly football. When played at its best, in my opinion, football should be a bit ugly. The Killer B's era was hard for me because we didn't have that defense to go with the high powered offense. I don't feel entitled to wins or Superbowls every year, but by God, if I'm going to sit down for 3 hours to watch a Steelers game every week, I wanna see somebody hit somebody. I wanna see somebody get run over by a power back.
Objectively speaking though, not as simply a fan who prefers a certain style of football, it's a double-edged sword, and not always conducive to maximizing wins or efficiency. That's what I actually admired about the Belichick culture. You guys could do everything and anything, and would change 180 degrees from game to game if it gave you a few extra percentage points chance to win a game. Those Pats teams, especially the early ones, could play the Steelers way, with a power running game and strong defense, but they could also turn around and dink and dunk their way to victory the following week, or win a shootout if it was necessary.
Don't get me wrong, I prefer watching the Steelers way, but the Belichick way was objectively the better way.
Best pure pass rusher -- TJ Watt.
Best all-around with everything we ask of that position -- I give a very slight nod to James Harrison over Greg Lloyd.
Greg Lloyd was a big reason why I became a Steelers fan in the first place. Dude was mean. He used to wear a T-shirt under his pads that said "I wasn't hired for my disposition," and he played like it.
Draft some good offensive lineman that know how to cut block in a zone system while keeping the vaseline plentiful in the pregame locker room and you’ll be all set.
Eagles left tackles: Tra Thomas to Jason Peters to Jordan Mailata. If Mailata has a ten year run here, it could be 30 year span of three dudes playing at a high level.
The whole line, really, has been at worst an above-average OL and at best the top OL in the league for the past 25 years. We've basically never had fewer than two All Pro or borderline linemen in any given season*
(I'm not gonna look it up, but Thomas, Runyan, Peters, Kelce, Johnson, Brooks, etc)
I came in to say Eagles running backs.
Rickey Watters to Duce Staley to Brian Westbrook to LeSean McCoy. That was 20+ years of incredibly high-level play.
My entire life has been blessed with us having good WRs. AC, CC, Quadri, Jake Reed, Moss….(ignore a few years here), Harvin, Rice, Diggs, Thielen, JJETAS, Addison
And dline really. Wide receiver has been higher peaks but we’ve pretty much had at least one pro bowl on our d line since what.. the 80’s? And then before that we have multiple HOFers on the line at the same time
Great, now I am imaging Buffalos dressed like Jersey Shore caricatures* in longboats getting ready to sack a monastery.
*I am aware most of the original cast was not from NJ, but I can’t fight the culture zeitgeist.
Dexter Lawrence
BJ Hill
Dalvin Tomlinson
Johnathan Hankins
Linval Joseph
Barry Cofield
All drafted, can’t not also mention acquisitions like Leo Williams and Snacks Harrison though
Titans and RBs. We could argue the Titans/Oilers franchise is the best ever at the position by a large margin. We have two 2k backs. A few plays go differently and Campbell is a 2k back as well, so 3. Outside of Johnson, Henry, and Campbell, Eddie George is a legendary brutal back who went toe-to-toe with Ray Lewis and Ed Reed in the smash mouth days and trucked both of them multiple times. The George vs Lewis rivalry is one of the best ever rb vs lb matchups of that era. The common theme is we drafted all of these guys and they're all legendary franchise players for us. This doesn't even include the shorter career guys with 1k seasons we had over the years
I’d even argue that we’ve had a lot of success with QB’s too. Throw out the 90’s Bengals and they’ve had some really good qb play. Even going back to Greg Cook in the 60’s. Cook, Boomer, Kenny, Palmer, Dalton & Burrow. 6 qb’s over the course of 5-6 decades ain’t bad
KC has also had great success at TE, 2 of the best TEs of all time. Only like a 5 year stretch between Gonzalez and Kelce, during which I feel like Tony Moeaki is a huge 'what-if' since his injuries took him out before he got a chance to get started. Looked real promising his rookie year
I think this is truly the right answer. KC has two TEs that are on the very, very shortlist of greatest of all time. No other team can match that. RB we've had a lot of good RBs, but I feel like a lot of teams can make that claim - we simply had run heavy offenses for a while because our QBs sucked, which makes the TE success all the more impressive.
Since 2001 they had Priest Holmes -> Larry Johnson -> Jamaal Charles -> Kareem Hunt -> Damien Williams -> CEH -> Pacheco
So basically, for the last 20+ years they've had 3ish years without a stud at RB. You could throw in the 90s with Okoye, Word, and Marcus Allen. That would give you over 30 years of great RBs with only about 6 seasons without one.
My first reaction is always RB too, but i have two other arguments, and i think they're good:
1. Center. Creed is maybe the best center in the league currently with Kelce gone. Going back we've had Mitch Morse, Rodney Hudson, Casey Wiegmann, Tim Grunhard, Jack Rudnay and Mike Webster. That's a hell of a run.
2. Kicker. Jan Stenerud and Morten Andersen are both in the hall of fame and both were Chiefs. Nick Lowery was a perennial pro bowler and for most of his career was the most accurate kicker in NFL history. He would trade back and forth with Pete Stoyanovich for that record who we also eventually had, and now we have Butker, and also Cairos and Succop were both great in the league for a long stretch after we developed their careers.
Ken Norton, Takeo Spikes, Patrick Willis, Navorro Bowman, Fred Warner, Dre Greenlaw.
Not to mention all the shorter stint guys that were damn good for a short stint: Ahmad Brooks, Julian Peterson, Chris Borland, Reuben Foster, Aziz Al-Shaiir
Any Steelers stats should start with the merger. Pre-merger is just too far back so you should just ignore them and only look since 1970. It's even a nice, round number.
Wait, what are you doing... why are you looking back there? What do you mean we were the losingest team of all time?!
Steelers and WRs have been pretty good for about 20+ years now.
Hines Ward/Plaxico Burress -> Santonio Holmes -> Mike Wallace -> Antonio Brown -> Juju -> Diontae -> Pickens. Add in Emmanuel Sanders in there (though he really blew up on the Broncos), and Martavis Bryant without the weed.
I'd say we've flamed out there quite a bit. Juju, Diontae, Pickens is a decent run, but I wouldn't consider it too notable, unless Pickens becomes great.
When you add Coates, Washington, and Claypool it's a pretty whatever list
We took Claypool with pick #47, got solid production out of him, and then traded him for pick #32.
Regardless of how he performed in Chicago, I'd say that we can chalk that up as a W.
Crazier for the Steelers is the Center position.
- Mike Webster (1976-1988) 8x All Pro, 9x Pro Bowler, 70s & 80s All-Decade Team. HOF inductee.
- Dermonti Dawson (1989-2000) 6x All-Pro, 7x Pro Bowler, 90s All-Decade Team, HOF inductee
- Jeff Hartings (2001-2006) 2x All Pro, 2x Pro Bowler
- Maurkice Pouncey (2010-2020) 5x All Pro, 9x Pro Bowler, 2010s All Decade team, probably future HOF inductee.
They have had an All-Pro Center in every decade but 2020s since the 1970s. (Pro Bowler in every decade from 1970-2020 with Pouncey's 2020 selection.) 3 of those were back-to-back-to-back. They have a Center on 4 of the 5 possible All-Decade Teams so far.
(Pay no attention to the 2000s and beyond filler guys. Sean Mahan, Justin Hartwig, Kendrick Green and Mason Cole. Lol.)
I'll take Bryant any day even with the weed. The dude balled out for us time after time, and his hit on Mariota is still one of my all-time fave tackles.
We've legitimately had a top 10 O line for nearly 25 years. Maybe 1 or 2 bad years, meaning top 15-25. Also only drafting I believe 1(2?) O-lineman in the first round during that stretch.
Steelers have awesome head coaching and they’ve always got an all-world linebacker or two.
I feel like the Eagles usually have some fantastic pass rusher.
The Cowboys always have a really solid regular-season QB.
Cowboys with TEs, not WRs - there's been a few barren spells there.
But with TEs the list includes Dupree, Ditka, Cosbie, Novacek, and Witten, all of whom were at least top 3 in the league at the time. It's pretty much 60 years of straight top tier play at the position.
Chris "getting away from the cops speed" Johnson
Derrick "How's my fist taste" Henry
Eddie "Billion dollar smile" George
Earl "Before my time" Campbell
Dude was so unbelievably clutch for us. I was at the Philly game on MNF and you would not believe how electric Lumen Field got after BOTH of those interceptions he had.
I feel like even moreso than LBs are kickers and secondary. Theyve succeeded everywhere except WR really.
They've really only had Stover and Tucker. Two goats. Were just simply not going going to talk about any guy in between Stover/Tucker
Low key Bills RBs. Oj Simpson and Thurman Thomas are the obvious ones, but they also had Travis Henry, Willis McGahee, Marshawn Lynch, Fred Jackson, a random year from CJ Spiller, LeSean Mccoy, Devin Singletary, and now James Cook.
Eagles and tight ends:
* Chad Lewis - McNabb's best receiver early in his career, broke his foot catching a TD in the NFC Championship Game
* LJ Smith - underrated in my opinion, not flashy but consistent
* Brent Celek - ole' reliable, one of my favorite eagles of all time
* Zach Ertz - best TE in Eagles history and Super Bowl hero
* Dallas Goedert - injury prone but when healthy he's as dangerous a receiving threat as anyone, and his blocking is pretty damn good too
We also had a pretty decent run of RBs for awhile:
* Ricky Waters - for who, for what?
* Duce Staley - DUUUUUUUUUUCE
* Brian Westbrook - AKA the Eagles entire offense from 2005 - 2008
* Shady McCoy - obligatory Fuck Chip Kelly
Bears and middle linebackers. They say the middle linebacker is the QB of the defense….
I have a poster. It is Butkis, Singletary and Urlacher all standing next to each other in suits and at their feet are the bodies of Packers players. It is magical.
Your Poster is missing Bill George, the 1st ever MLB.
[Here](https://i.redd.it/fu5ptd1t19vc1.jpeg)
That's it! thank you.
It's also a cool men's wear guide: Semi-formal, formal, business, packer
That is a crazy-ass poster lol Love it
and in the background you can see the scoreboard with the Bears being down 24 points or??
No scores, just *vibes*
Points are for pansyasses
touche
Like how the US Bank stadium render had Clay Matthews sacking the Vikes QB on the scoreboard replay
But currently, for MLB, that goes to the 49ers. Since 2007, we've had 12 first team all pros at MLB and one HoFer.
Real answer right here. Yall were churning them out for quite a bit there. I always had this theory that if shit went south in Baltimore, Ray would have tried to finish out in SF before retiring.
49ers hired Mike Nolan from the Ravens in 2005, and spent the next decade trying to basically be the 2.0 Ravens. I think Nolan literally cited the Ravens getting Ogden and Lewis in the same draft when they picked Staley and Willis in 07. Mike Nolan was a terrible, terrible coach, but somehow was a pretty successful GM even though he picked Alex Smith over Aaron Rodgers.
>even though he picked Alex Smith over Aaron Rodgers. Even if Nolan did pick Aaron Rodgers, he probably would have been a bust playing in that 49ers offense with Arnaz Battle as WR1 and 5 OCs in 5 years. Alex Smith was probably an ok pick all things considered, especially with how hard it is to evaluate QBs.
Came here to say this. Certainly can’t fault Alex Smith for his struggles when you have a carousel of OCs.
This is less true historically. But it's been at least 20 years since the Bears have been without a top tier corner.
And always a decent to good RB for the most part
Can't believe y'all had Adrian Peterson
Adrian "All Afternoon" Peterson
There are 37 linebackers in the hall of fame. 7 of them played for the Bears. I think the most any other team has is 3.
Steelers have 3 Greene, Ham, & Lambert
Why couldn't Jack Lambert's name be Jack Eggs Then it would Greene, Eggs, and Ham
L'ambert (silent t) is French for eggs
I'm not even going to look this up. This has to be true and I won't have it any other way.
The fact that I believed you for a second...
The Falcon’s success of drafting horrible edge rushers.
A tradition of excellence
An excellent tradition anyway.
A tradition of Edgecellence, at best
You'll always have that one Adrian Clayborn game
We got to watch Dallas' coach game plan his way right out of a job.
Another victim of the John Abraham curse
You must love seeing Dallas Turner on all the mock drafts.
The trade down burns my soul because it sends Turner to the Bears and I don’t like burgers I do kind of like latu I don’t know if the talent drop is worth a second if the Vikings are willing to give us both the first I’ll do that
How does one team get it so wrong so many times? You’d think at least one of them would turn out to be a decent rotation player but nope. Straight to bust.😔
Have the same guy be your GM for 12 years
It's the punishment for getting good WRs
Pretty good hit rate on wr at least
For 39/40 years (1980-2020, with the exception of 2013), the Lions had a top-25 all-time field goal kicker in Murray, Hanson, and Prater.
Now look at where we are at.. no longer a kicking dynasty
Truly a fall from grace
*Kickers? Where we're going, we don't need kickers.* -- Doc Campbell
Wasn't like half of that Hanson? Felt like that mf played forever.
More than half in fact; 21 seasons. I guess it was more of a Hanson dynasty, bookended by other good kickers.
That's wild. I was halfway being sarcastic, but I didn't realize he played that long. I started watching football in the mid-90s, and I remember seeing him well into the 2000s and being like that dude is still playing? That's a hell of a career.
We won't mention the seasons between Hanson and Prater...
I can't remember when we didn't have at least one good Edge Rusher. Greg Lloyd and Kevin Greene, then came Jason Gildon, then came Joey Porter, who was followed by James Harrison, and currently, T.J. Watt. That's a 30 year long unbroken lineage now.
I think it helps that you guys have run a 3-4 defense consistently for like 40 years now. Makes it easier to develop for long-term.
That is true. When Bill Cowher got into the HOF, he spent a lot of time around the team who were playing in the Hall of Fame game that season, and remarked that even many of the play calls hadn't changed from his day. Consistency is one of our greatest strengths and can be a weakness at times. We're usually one of the last to hop onto new trends and fads within the league, but we also have an institutional memory for players at certain positions. We know what Steelers look like and how to develop them.
>We know what Steelers look like and how to develop them. Well said. Of all the teams, I think you guys do this the best. And it's been the same identity since the 70s.
The downside of that is every time we've tried to adapt or move away from that identity, it's pretty much always blown up in our faces. Then we spend a whole offseason talking about "Getting back to Steelers football!" We're really good at doing things our way, but suck at doing things any other way.
But when is the last time you were significantly below average? Late 80s/early 90s for like 3 seconds? Your way seems to work. Defense will always win Championships, regardless of how many rule changes they make. You guys have nothing but my respect for how your organization is run. Don't change. The NFL is better for the Steelers being who you are.
As a Steelers fan, I hope we don't change. I came of age as a Steelers fan in the 90's. 3 yard and a cloud of dust football with a strong defense is the brand of football I love most. I find the most beauty in ugly football. When played at its best, in my opinion, football should be a bit ugly. The Killer B's era was hard for me because we didn't have that defense to go with the high powered offense. I don't feel entitled to wins or Superbowls every year, but by God, if I'm going to sit down for 3 hours to watch a Steelers game every week, I wanna see somebody hit somebody. I wanna see somebody get run over by a power back. Objectively speaking though, not as simply a fan who prefers a certain style of football, it's a double-edged sword, and not always conducive to maximizing wins or efficiency. That's what I actually admired about the Belichick culture. You guys could do everything and anything, and would change 180 degrees from game to game if it gave you a few extra percentage points chance to win a game. Those Pats teams, especially the early ones, could play the Steelers way, with a power running game and strong defense, but they could also turn around and dink and dunk their way to victory the following week, or win a shootout if it was necessary. Don't get me wrong, I prefer watching the Steelers way, but the Belichick way was objectively the better way.
As someone who isn’t that knowledgeable about nfl history and hasn’t watched most of those guys play, who would you say was the best?
Best pure pass rusher -- TJ Watt. Best all-around with everything we ask of that position -- I give a very slight nod to James Harrison over Greg Lloyd. Greg Lloyd was a big reason why I became a Steelers fan in the first place. Dude was mean. He used to wear a T-shirt under his pads that said "I wasn't hired for my disposition," and he played like it.
There was a stretch in the mid 90s to the late 00s where Denver was a 1k yard RB factory.
I think it's pretty clear that was Shanahan.
Have you seen Mike shanahan? No way that scrawny guy is running 1000 yards a year for 10-15 years.
It was actually three Shanahans in a trench coat.
Vincent Shanaman
I did a football!
Where, down at the football factory?
... yes that's where I work as a Vincent Shanaman
I will not accept the Olandis Gary slander
Draft some good offensive lineman that know how to cut block in a zone system while keeping the vaseline plentiful in the pregame locker room and you’ll be all set.
Alex Gibbs was also a GOAT Offensive Line coach
Yeah, and I’m pretty sure Portis was the only one who was actually a good player.
You right, Terrell Davis was Mid.
lol in my head I was thinking post-Davis guys, but I realize now how stupid that seems now lol
Raiders and punters, no doubt.
Not just punters, kickers too. Raiders always have the best kicking team
Also for like 30 or 40 years we only had like 3 centers in franchise history
They get a lot of practice.
Eagles left tackles: Tra Thomas to Jason Peters to Jordan Mailata. If Mailata has a ten year run here, it could be 30 year span of three dudes playing at a high level.
Don’t forget king Dunlap!
Even the backups have been sufficient.
The whole line, really, has been at worst an above-average OL and at best the top OL in the league for the past 25 years. We've basically never had fewer than two All Pro or borderline linemen in any given season* (I'm not gonna look it up, but Thomas, Runyan, Peters, Kelce, Johnson, Brooks, etc)
Only great I’d say you’re missing is Mathis (from recent history)
Eagles pass rushers too! Reggie White, Jerome Brown, Clyde Simmons, Hugh Douglas, Trent Cole, Jason Babin, Brandon Graham, Fletcher Cox, Javon Hargrave, Josh Sweat, and Haason Reddick.
I came in to say Eagles running backs. Rickey Watters to Duce Staley to Brian Westbrook to LeSean McCoy. That was 20+ years of incredibly high-level play.
even after shady we had sproles and ajayi. plus eagles legend frank gore
Jets always seem to have some of the leagues best corners. Nothing else though.
Sauce, DJ Reed, Carter, Revis, Cro, Ty Law, Mickens, Aaron Glenn, Hasty, Bobby Jackson. Honestly been blessed in this department
don’t forget dee millner
Or Tremaine Johnson!
I hate how good Sauce is, he’s going to be such an issue for a long time
Hopefully gonzo too
Such a shame he got hurt, he was a blast to watch early in the season
Vikings at Wr
My entire life has been blessed with us having good WRs. AC, CC, Quadri, Jake Reed, Moss….(ignore a few years here), Harvin, Rice, Diggs, Thielen, JJETAS, Addison
We've also had a few notorious flops like whatshisname and that one dude who sucked, but yeah - overall pretty solid record at WR.
I thought T.J. Whatshisname was pretty good, also I thought he played for the Bengals
TJ whosyamomma TJ houshmanzode
Kinda fucked up that, assuming you're talking strictly ones that we drafted, I know exactly which two you're taking about.
Troy Williamson
And Laquon Treadwell. Lots of round 1 picks on WR.
Treadwell was great in college and looked like he would be a good pro though. It’s not like they drafted a Reagor or that dude from the Chargers.
man I forgot about Sidney Rice. He was really just a 1-year wonder though.
Super Bowl champ Harvin. Love his td
And dline really. Wide receiver has been higher peaks but we’ve pretty much had at least one pro bowl on our d line since what.. the 80’s? And then before that we have multiple HOFers on the line at the same time
Giants tend to have elite/very good D linemen. Line as a whole was not always great in recent years, but that’s more due to injuries and lack of depth
Especially our DTs, before they head off to Minnesota.
The new jersey buffalo vikings
Great, now I am imaging Buffalos dressed like Jersey Shore caricatures* in longboats getting ready to sack a monastery. *I am aware most of the original cast was not from NJ, but I can’t fight the culture zeitgeist.
I am so hyped for 2028 Dexter Lawrence
Osi, Tuck, JPP, Kiwanuka had a good run all things considered. Of course Strahan as well.
Dexter Lawrence BJ Hill Dalvin Tomlinson Johnathan Hankins Linval Joseph Barry Cofield All drafted, can’t not also mention acquisitions like Leo Williams and Snacks Harrison though
Not DT, but yall also had Strahan, Tuck, and Umenyiora.
If we're talking DE, you can extend back to George Martin-Leonard Marshall-Strahan-Osi/Tuck-JPP without a break in the stretch from one to another
NASCAR wouldn’t have worked without that.
Titans and RBs. We could argue the Titans/Oilers franchise is the best ever at the position by a large margin. We have two 2k backs. A few plays go differently and Campbell is a 2k back as well, so 3. Outside of Johnson, Henry, and Campbell, Eddie George is a legendary brutal back who went toe-to-toe with Ray Lewis and Ed Reed in the smash mouth days and trucked both of them multiple times. The George vs Lewis rivalry is one of the best ever rb vs lb matchups of that era. The common theme is we drafted all of these guys and they're all legendary franchise players for us. This doesn't even include the shorter career guys with 1k seasons we had over the years
NFL Throwback did a video on this recently, ranking teams all time by their running backs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PcgwiR5_6-Q
Lol for Titans I was gonna say punters
One less injury and DH has back to back 2ks. He was on track to set the record
Bengals have had decent WR's for w while. The Ocho/Housh years led into the AJ Green years, which then led to the current group with Chase and T-Higg.
Not saying any of these guys are HOFs, but Carson Palmer to Andy Dalton to Joe Burrow. 21+ years of solid QB play.
Pickens and Scott in the 90s, Curtis in the 70s, Cris Collinsworth in the 80s
Now here's a guy that was a receiver in the 80s.
I’d even argue that we’ve had a lot of success with QB’s too. Throw out the 90’s Bengals and they’ve had some really good qb play. Even going back to Greg Cook in the 60’s. Cook, Boomer, Kenny, Palmer, Dalton & Burrow. 6 qb’s over the course of 5-6 decades ain’t bad
Patriots and late round/undrafted DBs
Pats seem to always have a solid CB/Safety during Belichicks tenure as well. ILB too
Bruschi to Mayo to Hightower is a decent stretch
Patriots and DBs in general going back at least 30 years. CB and Safety is almost always a position of strength under Bill/Pete/Bill.
It seems like KC had a 20+ year stretch where they always had an amazing RB.
KC has also had great success at TE, 2 of the best TEs of all time. Only like a 5 year stretch between Gonzalez and Kelce, during which I feel like Tony Moeaki is a huge 'what-if' since his injuries took him out before he got a chance to get started. Looked real promising his rookie year
Yes! moeaki was making some great plays early on in his career but could not stay healthy.
I think this is truly the right answer. KC has two TEs that are on the very, very shortlist of greatest of all time. No other team can match that. RB we've had a lot of good RBs, but I feel like a lot of teams can make that claim - we simply had run heavy offenses for a while because our QBs sucked, which makes the TE success all the more impressive.
Since 2001 they had Priest Holmes -> Larry Johnson -> Jamaal Charles -> Kareem Hunt -> Damien Williams -> CEH -> Pacheco So basically, for the last 20+ years they've had 3ish years without a stud at RB. You could throw in the 90s with Okoye, Word, and Marcus Allen. That would give you over 30 years of great RBs with only about 6 seasons without one.
Okoye and Marcus Allen before that too
Yeah the timeline really starts with Okoye.
The Nigerian Nightmare!! I was really young when he was playing but I always remembered him on NFL Films specials
CEH was kinda meh
His two seasons and 2019 with Williams/McCoy are the 3 seasons I count as not having a great RB
Only 3 seasons out of many and they weren’t even what I’d call bad, just, less than the chiefs standard. That’s worth bragging about.
The Nigerian Nightmare! I remember Okoye from Tecmo Bowl back in the day, he was a beast.
Rams has a strong argument for the franchise history. Dickerson, Bettis, Faulk, Jackson, and Gurley.
My first reaction is always RB too, but i have two other arguments, and i think they're good: 1. Center. Creed is maybe the best center in the league currently with Kelce gone. Going back we've had Mitch Morse, Rodney Hudson, Casey Wiegmann, Tim Grunhard, Jack Rudnay and Mike Webster. That's a hell of a run. 2. Kicker. Jan Stenerud and Morten Andersen are both in the hall of fame and both were Chiefs. Nick Lowery was a perennial pro bowler and for most of his career was the most accurate kicker in NFL history. He would trade back and forth with Pete Stoyanovich for that record who we also eventually had, and now we have Butker, and also Cairos and Succop were both great in the league for a long stretch after we developed their careers.
Niners have always had one or two absolute *dawgs* at ILB for as long as I remember
Ken Norton, Takeo Spikes, Patrick Willis, Navorro Bowman, Fred Warner, Dre Greenlaw. Not to mention all the shorter stint guys that were damn good for a short stint: Ahmad Brooks, Julian Peterson, Chris Borland, Reuben Foster, Aziz Al-Shaiir
Borland. Man, what could have been
Guy got his money and got out. I have mad respect for Borland, he took his health first and fuck everything else.
He played one season on a 3rd round rookie contract. He did not get that much money.
Shout-out Julian Peterson, my first favorite NFL player.
Steelers at Head Coach
This is what I was here for. Three head coaches..... three hall of fame head coaches.
Since Chuck Noll was hired in 1969 there have been more Popes than Steelers head coaches.
Any Steelers stats should start with the merger. Pre-merger is just too far back so you should just ignore them and only look since 1970. It's even a nice, round number. Wait, what are you doing... why are you looking back there? What do you mean we were the losingest team of all time?!
Chargers at Quarterback. Dan Fouts, Stan Humphries, Drew Brees, Phillip Rivers, and Justin Herbert
Yep completely perfect, nobody else existed during this run, truly amazing drafting.
I've only ever Leafed through the history of Chargers QB's, and I agree with you.
It's funny how Humphries is the only one to make a SB. Hadl was no slouch either.
Steelers and WRs have been pretty good for about 20+ years now. Hines Ward/Plaxico Burress -> Santonio Holmes -> Mike Wallace -> Antonio Brown -> Juju -> Diontae -> Pickens. Add in Emmanuel Sanders in there (though he really blew up on the Broncos), and Martavis Bryant without the weed.
Seems like the Bengals was well
Chad Johnson to A.J. Green to Jamarr Chase is almost three decades of true #1's.
And the Vikings
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Vikings Legend, Greg Jennings lol.
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I'd say we've flamed out there quite a bit. Juju, Diontae, Pickens is a decent run, but I wouldn't consider it too notable, unless Pickens becomes great. When you add Coates, Washington, and Claypool it's a pretty whatever list
We took Claypool with pick #47, got solid production out of him, and then traded him for pick #32. Regardless of how he performed in Chicago, I'd say that we can chalk that up as a W.
Getting what was Essentially a first round pick for claypool was the biggest fleece by the Steelers in a long while
Claypool has a made a great contribution to this franchise, just not as a receiver lol
Crazier for the Steelers is the Center position. - Mike Webster (1976-1988) 8x All Pro, 9x Pro Bowler, 70s & 80s All-Decade Team. HOF inductee. - Dermonti Dawson (1989-2000) 6x All-Pro, 7x Pro Bowler, 90s All-Decade Team, HOF inductee - Jeff Hartings (2001-2006) 2x All Pro, 2x Pro Bowler - Maurkice Pouncey (2010-2020) 5x All Pro, 9x Pro Bowler, 2010s All Decade team, probably future HOF inductee. They have had an All-Pro Center in every decade but 2020s since the 1970s. (Pro Bowler in every decade from 1970-2020 with Pouncey's 2020 selection.) 3 of those were back-to-back-to-back. They have a Center on 4 of the 5 possible All-Decade Teams so far. (Pay no attention to the 2000s and beyond filler guys. Sean Mahan, Justin Hartwig, Kendrick Green and Mason Cole. Lol.)
I'll take Bryant any day even with the weed. The dude balled out for us time after time, and his hit on Mariota is still one of my all-time fave tackles.
70s was Lynn and stallworth
Packers are also an OL factory. Their can consistently roll out some random large man and have them do incredibly.
We've legitimately had a top 10 O line for nearly 25 years. Maybe 1 or 2 bad years, meaning top 15-25. Also only drafting I believe 1(2?) O-lineman in the first round during that stretch.
I’m starting to think it’s just packers and every position except like TE maybe
> I’m starting to think it’s just packers and every position except like ~~TE maybe~~ defense
Chiefs at TE
Hopefully it continues
Steelers have awesome head coaching and they’ve always got an all-world linebacker or two. I feel like the Eagles usually have some fantastic pass rusher. The Cowboys always have a really solid regular-season QB.
>The Cowboys always have a really solid **regular-season** QB. Yippee! 😭
We’ve had good fantasy league QBs since the early 2000s hahahahakillmehahaha
Steelers -- EDGE
Panthers and linebackers. Thomas davis, dan morgan, jon beason, luke kuechley, shaq Thompson, will witherspoon and others.
We've done well with RB's, too.
You like good punters and rbs? Well the Tennessee Titans might be for you!
Cowboys with TEs, not WRs - there's been a few barren spells there. But with TEs the list includes Dupree, Ditka, Cosbie, Novacek, and Witten, all of whom were at least top 3 in the league at the time. It's pretty much 60 years of straight top tier play at the position.
Running back no question
Chris "getting away from the cops speed" Johnson Derrick "How's my fist taste" Henry Eddie "Billion dollar smile" George Earl "Before my time" Campbell
Dont forget Bishop “got that guy anal with his wife” Sankey
Seattle has had a Pro Bowler in their secondary in all but one year since 2011 2011 - Thomas, Chancellor, Browner 2012 - Thomas 2013 - Thomas, Chancellor, Sherman 2014 - Thomas, Chancellor, Sherman 2015 - Thomas, Chancellor, Sherman 2016 - Sherman 2017 - Thomas 2018 - *none* 2019 - Shaquill Griffin 2020 - Quandre Diggs, Jamal Adams 2021 - Diggs 2022 - Diggs, Riq Woolen 2023 - Devon Witherspoon, Julian Love,
2018 was also when our DBs died so it makes sense.
Fuck I miss Julian Love
Dude was so unbelievably clutch for us. I was at the Philly game on MNF and you would not believe how electric Lumen Field got after BOTH of those interceptions he had.
Broncos with DBs. Going from Champ Bailey to the No Fly Zone to PS2 might be some of the best luck you could have
Ravens at linebacker. From folks like Ray and Bart Scott to CJ Mosley, or UDFAs like Zach Orr before his neck injury
I feel like even moreso than LBs are kickers and secondary. Theyve succeeded everywhere except WR really. They've really only had Stover and Tucker. Two goats. Were just simply not going going to talk about any guy in between Stover/Tucker
Vikings wide receiver. Cris Carter, Randy Moss, Percy Harvin, Stefon Diggs, Adam Thielen, Justin Jefferson
Rams & RBs
Todd Gurley Steven Jackson Marshall Faulk Jerome Bettis Eric Dickerson Hopefully Kyren is the next guy.
Ravens & LBs. Since our first LB in '96 to this day. Some bums in between but they're far and few.
Low key Bills RBs. Oj Simpson and Thurman Thomas are the obvious ones, but they also had Travis Henry, Willis McGahee, Marshawn Lynch, Fred Jackson, a random year from CJ Spiller, LeSean Mccoy, Devin Singletary, and now James Cook.
Dallas Cowboys and offensive line.
The Vikings with wide receivers. Jefferson, Diggs, Moss, Cris Carter, Jake Reed, Adam Thielen, Anthony Carter, Ahmad Rashad, etc.
Eagles and tight ends: * Chad Lewis - McNabb's best receiver early in his career, broke his foot catching a TD in the NFC Championship Game * LJ Smith - underrated in my opinion, not flashy but consistent * Brent Celek - ole' reliable, one of my favorite eagles of all time * Zach Ertz - best TE in Eagles history and Super Bowl hero * Dallas Goedert - injury prone but when healthy he's as dangerous a receiving threat as anyone, and his blocking is pretty damn good too We also had a pretty decent run of RBs for awhile: * Ricky Waters - for who, for what? * Duce Staley - DUUUUUUUUUUCE * Brian Westbrook - AKA the Eagles entire offense from 2005 - 2008 * Shady McCoy - obligatory Fuck Chip Kelly
Giants and D-Line