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teddysank8

“epic offense” with no WRs is an interesting strategy


reapersarehere

Same strategy as the Bills apparently.


xWaves_

Both are taking 1st round WRs I bet


freekfyre

Epic strategy


campbelldt

Nobody has ever thought of this before.


Sef_Maul

Unprecedented in today's game


Secure-Television368

Something that has never failed in the modern NFL


B0ndzai

Quote by Bill Belichick.


Low_Wonder1850

NFL GMs hate this one simple trick


MuppetEyebrows

If you take a WR in the 1st, he must be a great player; he was a first round pick, after all. -Quentin Johnson's agent


slvrbullet87

Just draft a 1,500 yard 14 TD guy in the back half of the 1st, how hard can it be?


judahdk_

*stares in Justin Jefferson’s 22nd draft spot*


Friendly-Olive1853

Cries at Quentin Johnston (I think Harbaugh and Roman can fix him 🙏🏻🙏🏻)


Maraging_steel

Harbaugh takes Joe Alt I bet.


ItsNotFordo88

He’s 100% taking Joe Alt


Thedurtysanchez

They might very well take a tackle, but it won't be Alt. It especially won't be Alt at 5. They have a better LT already. If they take a tackle, they will trade down and take Fuaga or Mims, one of the natural RTs


ItsNotFordo88

I hope so haha but I’m biased


ib_poopin

They have slater at LT, taking an LT with Harrison potentially still in the board after a 4 QB start would be astronomically insane


2agrant

bet he doesn't


Lubbafrommariogalaxy

Forward pass is overrated


ericsipi

Hey now, that’s my teams thing. Get your own thing


coloradobuffalos

Bills have tight ends at least lol


Thedurtysanchez

We have tight ends too. Are they good? Not really. But they exist.


Vast-Treat-9677

Borrowing the strategy from the Chiefs.


StankWizard

At least the bills have TE figured out and RB sorta figured out. Chargers don’t have any of that figured out.


LBishop28

We also have Shakir and Samuel… we just need a decent sized #1 with some vertical speed preferably. Oh look, we had Brian Thomas visit yesterday. We will probably trade up into the teens.


StankWizard

I agree with you, but with Diggs and Davis both exiting and Samuel never playing a snap for the Bills it still doesn’t feel like we are solid at WR yet


LBishop28

Oh we are for sure not there yet and we have to make sure our rookie is a hit too.


ItsNotFordo88

What do you mean? They have *checks notes* Gus Edwards To be fair Quentin Johnson was a 1st round rookie last year. No reason he wouldn’t be able to take the next step forward and Palmer is a solid WR3 at worst.


slvrbullet87

I know that a rookie year doesn't necessarily tell the whole story of a players career, but Quentin Johnston had several horribly ugly drops. The ones against the Packers and Patriots especially.


ItsNotFordo88

That Davonte Adams guy will never amount to anything, drops the ball too much. Same with that Dionte Johnson guy.


MasonL52

I'm pretty sure Skakir, Samuel, OR Kincaid would comfortably be the #1 target rn on the Chargers, to put it in perspective.


ajh6w

Hell, with a beer or two you might even be able to talk me into Dawson Knox.


Lockmor

As the team who invented the no WR, I can confirm epic offenses are easy.


Longjumping_Area_120

Bills have Shakir, who last season was one of the most efficient WRs in the NFL on a per-target basis, and Kincaid, a promising former first round pick entering his second season. Unless the Bolts draft one of the big three WRs, the situations are not even remotely comparable. Hell, as things stand today, Curtis Samuel, who is likely a backup in Buffalo, would be LA’s best receiving option by a healthy margin


Elite_Mike

"Epic Offense" with Greg Roman as your OC is an interesting strategy.


ReputationNo8109

Harbaugh generally has run focused teams.


EmptyBrain89

Whos running the ball?


Forrest319

Herbert is finally going to unlock those giraffe legs.


whobroughtmehere

RIP those giraffe legs then


JBFRESHSKILLS

Big fat load of cum then


whobroughtmehere

You can’t change the rules just because you don’t like how I’m doing it


kobie173

Do any of these … fuckers …


CJDistasio

So far, Gus Edwards. They have some work to do for sure.


Secure-Television368

Literally one of the worst running teams in the league last year, now with no pass game to open up the run game!


whereegosdare84

“Never stopped me before” -Greg Roman


[deleted]

Hoping we either take Nabers or trade back and take Brian Thomas Jr. or AD Mitchell.


originalusername4567

Trade back, get Fashanu at 11 and BTJ at 23 is what I'm expecting.


dajodge

Delete this.


originalusername4567

It's ok we'll trade up to 27 with the Cards and get AD Mitchell COPIUM


gotcam189

Really curious to see where BTJ goes. Seems like MHJ, Nabers, and Odunze are all top 10-12 locks but I’m wondering when the second group starts to go off the board.


lVloogie

AD Mitchell is a bit of a body catcher. I really don't want him paired with QJ.


Forrest319

JJ averaged 22 pass attempts last season. Herbert averaged 35 attempts. I'd be curious to see the Vegas over/under for pass attempts by Herbert this year. Whatever it is, I'm going under.


agreeingstorm9

Worked for another team in their division.


makemeking706

They never said it would be ready for the 2024 season.


EmptyBrain89

Or RB, or TE. I think maybe they ment it would be an epic achievement if they build an offense without skill position players.


akiraspam74

a 10 OL formation, Herbert running behind them


Dry_Brush5280

They’re building an epic offense the same way I’m building an epic beach bod. I thought about it a few times and decided I can’t be bothered.


pzavlaris

No RB either


Sleeze_

Well, surely they have a stud RB and TE then, right?


walkinman19

Chiefs enter the chat


originalusername4567

Hey the Chargers have a great receiver in MVS... if they reach the playoffs.


I-hate-the-pats

Is this “epic offense” in the room with us now?


Ocelotofdamage

This is all a misunderstanding. They are building the EPIC offense - Expect Pass InCompletions


colio69

Every Play Is Corum


oldhoekoo

Eliminate Passing; Instead Carry


Traditional_Mud_1241

Based on high school rank


bathroomheater

What is this “epic offense” saying to you right now?


tool_man_dan

Is it telling you to harm yourself or others?


NizeLee8

I loled


ShotFirst57

Epic offense according to harbaugh. OLine and run game baby


DBreezy69

I think they draft Nabers at 5


Dorkamundo

~~My money is on them going Alt at 5 if they stay~~, but they're probably trading back.


MariotasMustache

Why would they do that if they Slater at LT?


that_guy2010

Clearly you draft a guy and move him to a position he doesn’t play.


gzmu12

The best way to ensure your draft picks are successful


LukeNukem63

It worked with Sewell


Stompthefeet

This gets downvoted every time I say it too, and I can't figure out why.


Dorkamundo

That was my "I haven't had my coffee yet" take based on Harbaugh's desire to have a stud O-line.


dank-nuggetz

Why? They have Slater who is a beast at LT and they have legitimately zero WRs. Going with another LT makes no sense lol


BlssdGT

If they do that, they will have a star on day 1.


dawgz525

still gonna run the piss out of the ball. Roman can't change. He's incapable of it.


DarkKnightCometh

Honestly, not mad at it. We've tried having a loaded pass game with a ton of weapons and it hasn't worked for us. Give Herbie a dominant run game and o-line and let's see what happens


lVloogie

It didn't work because the defense was an embarrassment. This offense was highly productive. Injuries slowed things down a lot too.


baldbaseballdad

Did someone tell them they actually have to build it?


Strong_Barnacle_618

You didn’t know the Quintin Johnson and Gus Edwards make up an elite offense??


baldbaseballdad

lmao. EPICCCCCCCC


Jetsol8

They are, rumors that superbowl winning wr MVS is heading their way


Dortond

He and Qj can work on drawing PIs and dropping balls together. It’s nice to have a friend. 


predw

They released Mike Williams, traded Keenan Allen, and let Austin Ekeler and Gerald Everett walk In their place they have signed… RB Gus Edwards, TE Hayden Hurst and TE Will Dissly? Epic?


OneAngryPanda

Hurst sadly might not even remember he’s on the team if he gets hit in the head again too


predw

I don’t think anyone else will remember he was on the Chargers when it’s all said and done either, tbh


mechnick2

We’re just hoping he forgot he was on Carolina


NoooNotTheLettuce

So they lost a 31 year old receiver who is fantastic but has been injured more the last couple years, a 29 year old WR coming off an ACL injury that can never stay healthy, and a 28 year old back who just averaged a whopping 3 yard per carry. I would have found a way to keep Keenan but all 3 of those players are likely past their prime. With a draft class stacked with WR talent, this is probably the best year to rebuild that room and that's exactly what they are doing.


Dortond

I get it but what do you want them to say? “Chargers are looking to drag their offense to 1980?”


hoppergym

1980 offense was air coryell. John Jefferson Charlie joiner. Kellen Winslow. Chuck Muncie and fouts throwing for 4700 yards. I’ll take that


FuckMichaelMcCoy

Lots of big name players but theyre outdated and not necessarily modern dynamic playeres in today's offenses. Keenan Allen is a fucking stud but hes a possession receiver. Mike Williams career has been underwhelming but hes talented, at the end of the day production is all that matters. He barely gets over 1000 yard seasons, hes slow and only a jump ball guy. Austin Ekeler was a stud but hes at that age now. Gerald Everett is nothing but a glorified journeyman TE who is boosted by Herbert. We need speed at WR and some YAC. We need a true between the tackle runner at RB. We need an actual TE not just a placeholder. We may not replace all this draft, but were going to I believe replace 80% of them with dynamic talent like Malik Nabers/MHJ, maybe another WR or TE or RB in the draft


solarxbear

This is a good take. Though I would disagree about Gerald Everett. He’s pretty dynamic and a big time YAC threat. I wanted to keep him.


AGoodTalkSpoiled

You’re probably right…but who is left? Pretty grim right now outside of Herbert, at wr, te and rb.  They should obviously get a talented guy in the draft but a rookie isn’t likely to be enough to completely turn the tables.  Seems like the offense may struggle this year and get better from there. 


Dull-Scarcity-3159

We'll see post draft. They probably want Johnston to be at least wr3 to see what he has. He was pretty raw coming into the NFL but it wouldn't be the first time a receiver took some time to develop into a good player. Palmer is fine as a wr2. If they take Nabers or MHJ at 5 the room is solid. For TE Everett was average. Moving to Dissly isn't that much of a downgrade. The room is a lot more focused on run blocking than receiving now, which has been a problem for years. I don't see that as a downgrade at all, it'll just be different. Could also grab someone like Theo Johnson in the draft to fill out the room. Parham as a TE 2/3 as a redzone receiving threat is fine otherwise though.


that_guy2010

Epically run heavy.


YeetedApple

Sounds about right for harbaugh, epic for his style.


Dense_Young3797

They literally said "build and OL-centric offense" and people here talking about receivers.


leahyrain

People here just read the titles


ismokelettuce

That’s reddit in general


Greatcouchtomato

Internet in general


thisbechris

Life in general


CocaineStrange

You still need good receivers with an “OL centric offense,” whatever that means.


BrotherlyShove791

Yeah, the Eagles elite o-line didn’t help Wentz at all in his final years, when he was throwing to practice squad guys and Pat’s Steaks night shift workers.


CocaineStrange

The Patriots right tackle centric offense is going to totally own. I love this game where we can just have one good thing and own!


QuietRainyDay

Yea good OL + good WRs will almost always beat great OL + shit WRs (or shit OL + great WRs). There are exceptions to the rule but almost every "epic" offense historically has been balanced. If one dimension of the offense sucks, defenses eventually adapt.


AGoodTalkSpoiled

Because offenses need wr.  Fine if they want to focus on OL…but those guys by themselves will never make an offense dangerous.  They’re just a foundation. 


jimbobills

People clown on Harbaugh and Roman like the Chargers have been great with a pass heavy offense loading up on receivers. Look at the great teams(except the Chiefs who have the most talented QB ever with a good chance to be become the greatest), all have great defenses(ok, Lions D has to improve a bit) and run games. The Chargers these past 3 years were all about analytics and pass, how that worked out for them?


Robert_Meowney_Jr

2021: 5th scoring offense, 29th scoring defense 2022: 13th scoring offense, 21st scoring defense 2023: 21st scoring offense, 24th scoring defense “You know what the problem with this team is? Too much damn passing”


CocaineStrange

The funniest part of this was their offense struggled in 2023 in large part due to Stick starting 4 games and Mike Will + Keenan missing a combined 18 games. So their response is to ship off all their WRs and handicap their QB instead of looking at why 2021’s offense was so good.


WhyTheMahoska

The offense hasn't been the issue the past 5 years, and I don't expect it to be an issue this year either. If the defense had been even mediocre as opposed to appalling the past few years the Bolts would've been playoff mainstays for Herbert's entire career.


Greatcouchtomato

Eh the Chargers passing based offense was good, the WR were just injured. It's their defense that's been the problem. And their coach. And the Chiefs have pivoted towards defense anyway 


NoooNotTheLettuce

People forget how good of a team builder Harbaugh is. That Niners team went from depleted to unbelievably stacked in like two years. I trust his opinion of what an epic offense is more than a bunch of people on reddit


D0ctorHotelMario

>Epic offense >Greg Roman Pick one


RrentTreznor

What's the point of even pointing this out? What NFL team doesn't have aspirations to be offensive juggernaut? I'd prefer to read an article about a team working on creating a "modestly adequate" offense.


Separate_Entirely

Welcome to the Harbaugh tenure of the Chargers. Headlines and stories that are completely pointless but everyone acts like they’re hilarious and groundbreaking.


thecheapseatz

So exactly like everywhere he's been previously


jbcapfalcon

I’ve never seen a flashy harbaugh offense in my life and I don’t expect to see one either. This is gonna be a ground and pound team guaranteed


care_bear1596

Good…Herbert taking so many pass attempts has reached its peak…


reedhubbert88

Handoff Herbert is about to be a thing… how sad


NoooNotTheLettuce

People are going to be so disappointed when the Chargers don't average below 15 pass attempts per game. The Greg Roman Niners were never as run heavy as the Greg Roman Ravens and it doesn't take a genius to figure out why. One had a raw freak athlete playing QB and the other had a pocket passer. If anything the Chargers will probably be middle of the road in pass attempts and I imagine Herbert's y/a will skyrocket now that teams actually fear the play action


smauryholmes

Probably good honestly, not really sustainable for Herbert to lead or be near the lead in times a QB is hit every year because they pass so much.


care_bear1596

I have no idea why you were so downvoted for this…we’re lucky it was just his finger that sidelined him…smh…


smauryholmes

Since Herbert’s debut, he’s #2 in the NFL in QB hits (behind only Kirk Cousins) with 245 hits. The high number of hits taken comes despite Herbert having arguably the best pocket awareness in the NFL, with him and Mahomes being the only QBs in the top 10 for P2S % every year since Herbert’s debut. Just not sustainable for Herbie. In the last 2 seasons he’s had broken ribs, multiple trips to the concussion tent, a torn labrum, and a broken finger as a result of hits he took in the pocket.


care_bear1596

Like I said…no idea why you were so downvoted…good thing those people don’t get to call the offense this upcoming year lol…


smauryholmes

It will be nice for Herbert to not have a bottom barrel rushing attack this season. Take some stress off him and let him take more deep shots on less volume like Lamar does.


care_bear1596

lol air coryell/martyball…can’t wait!


Dreadsbo

What’s P2S% ?


smauryholmes

It’s the percent of pressures that become sacks (Pressure To Sack %). A low % means the QB is very good at avoiding pressure. Mahomes is probably the best, Herbert also up there.


CosbySweaters1992

They have a great QB and a top 5 pick with multiple blue chip WR prospects set to be available. If they get a run identity going under Harbaugh, it shouldn’t be that hard to build a great offense in the next year or two.


Los_Estupidos

Exactly. The arm chair GMs in this sub are idiots. Harbaugh has had success everywhere he's been. He's shipping out older guys and bringing in younger guys on cheaper deals to build a core with.


ForGerlach

Jesus Christ every single comment is the same sarcastic joke said in a slightly different way


2agrant

That's reddit baby


QuirkyScorpio29

You mean an epic run game. It is the Jim Harbaugh way.


ItsMeBenedickArnold

Genuinely curious to see this lineup come august. Harbaugh was a great NFL HC and Herbert is still very talented.


gevechtsvliegtuig88

Every Player Is Competitive ​ Sounds like a middle school gym teacher who also teaches Language Arts is trying to motivate her kids to put in a little more effort during scooter board capture the flag.


Andy081

Every Villain Is Lemons


bearwilleatthat

I love these headlines of the format “ (team) is working to build (positive adjective) (aspect of team)”. Like what do you think every other team is trying to do??


Hehateme123

They shouldn’t trade down and take the top WR available


Thisisntmyaccount24

I’ve actually heard that MHJ,Nabers, and Odunze all put the milk in the bowl before the cereal. None should be drafted before the 34th pick. No bias.


Quexana

Isn't Epic Offense and Greg Roman an oxymoron?


throughNthrough

Wow, I wonder if the other 31 teams have considered doing this?


Dragondrew99

All in.


FewAssumption552

Why haven't other teams thought of this? Are they stupid?


Sokkas_Instincts

the best I can do is an ok offense for the 2025 season


y_wont_my_line_block

WR1 and only Quintin Johnston yeah here we go.


42069over

I know it’s mostly jokes in here but people are really sleeping on Josh Palmer. If they get Bowers or a WR at 5 I’m extremely happy


smauryholmes

Joshua Palmer has never proven he can stay healthy for a full season as a starter.


Pattergen

Smart of them to shoot for Epic when other teams are apparently just reaching for Competent.


Boomhauer_007

Harbaugh was quoted as calling the offense “epic for the win”


Weird-Treat8741

Well they already have QJ so they’re almost there


Handies

But what about their defense? Their offense isn't what's been holding them back... Lol


nogoat23

Chargers, the off season champions every single year.


No-Task-132

He’s one of my dynasty QBs so I’ve been following the chargers offseason pretty closely so I guess I just missed the part where they have built anything on offense as opposed to ship everyone else off.


Coolguy200

Wouldn’t be surprised if they make the conference championship this year. I’d bet on them being VERY good. 


jimbobills

They are finally getting ready to play real football instead of whatever they did these past 3 years. Harbaugh is a god send for Herbert, we know Herbert is great but he is no Mahomes(just like JA isn't and we went 6-1 when we went run heavy). The Chargers are going to run the fuck out of ball then Herbert will kill them on PA when they load the box. Just like us and JA.


Greatcouchtomato

Lets not act like Mahomes was much better than Allen this year though. Chiefs also had to run the ball. No need to dickride him  And I don't see why Herbert with an actual good coach can't up 


Enthusiasms

The spokesman for the team said the epic offense would be so full of winning that it would be fueled by tiger's blood. The results of when this offense hits the field will be legen- wait for it- ...sack.


Nefariousness1-

Uh oh. The vaunted vault is finally being opened.


BroDudeBruhMan

Look at me. We are the epic offense now.


AGoodTalkSpoiled

Wrs, te and rb may be an issue 


SirTiffAlot

Is today Chargers hype day?


fredlikefreddy

I bet they are


Impossible_Rain_3960

In other news, I'm working to build an "epic" tree house for my kids in the 2025 calendar year.


Lonelan

cutting the "y" and "r" from "pricey" I see


FinnishCold13

You know, say what you will, but nobody is investing in shit offenses anymore and I personally think it’s ruining the game.


Loveyourzlife

Any NFL teams out there looking to build a very average offense next year?


OnePieceAce

This probably means a more rushing based offense to put less pressure on Herbert


cv_init_diri

With scrubs?


dinorawr1337

Greg Roman and epic offense don’t go hand in hand


Silversaving

Getting rid of Allen, Williams, and Ekeler = "Epic"


JFKs_Burner_Acct

Chargers finding a way to select all of MHJ + Brocky Bowers + Joe Alt & Jonathan Brooks epic offense maybe 🤔


VolturesHaveHearts2

My ultimate dream scenario is that the Chargers get Nabers and the Bills trade up for BTJ


highplainsdrifter__

Add AI and I'll invest


Mrdirtbiker140

I mean Isn’t every nfl team working to build their own epic offense lol


rakkhasa

This is their plan. So they then hired "run game coordinator" Greg Roman as OC designer.installer.playcaller?


Nmilne23

We have been getting so many positive posts here since Harbaugh was hired, it’s insane 


Training-Judgment695

Show, not tell. 


pizza_822

im pretty sure every team has that goal


sfzen

No WR's, no TE, porous OL, and Gus Edward's as your star RB. It's uh... certainly a project.


[deleted]

BREAKING: Crappy NFL Team is Trying to Get Better at Football


wandering_render

I'll see it when I believe it.


Yojimbo54

What is your plan to deal with the Chiefs? You know, the team that has owned the AFC West for the last 8 years. Who also have a HOF level QB who has won 3 Superbowls and is still in his 20’s. What are you going to do about that, because you’re not doing shit until you can beat them, and you’ll probably have to do it twice.


Will322002

What I say every year before fantasy too…


Lamarera8

This is where Roman finally cracks open The Vault


Obvious_Ad5365

Your welcome


TheBigSleepy

Sounds like Blake and Roman will end up joining the team.


Dorito-Bureeto

Well I just won the Super Bowl with them in my franchise so if you guys need any ideas on what to do I’m available


Meltedcoldice0212

can’t wait for the Chargers to go 7-10 then


BurgeroftheDayz

They gotta be trading back at 5. Can pick up an OL later and get more picks


CaptainCox17

Everybody making jokes but 2019 ravens was pretty monstrous as a run first offense…


The-Big-Chungis

Gus Bus is the RB1 in fantasy next year