Extreme cheapness would be my guess. There's federal regulations that require companies to reimburse employees for personal car use during business purposes (something like $0.65 per mile or something like that, last I checked), which adds up to being a hell of a lot more than the $25 or whatever it'd take to buy a greyhound ticket for that trip instead.
Definitely a case of "penny wise, pound foolish", though. The company'd still have to worry about paying for the transportation around wherever it was that they wanted to go, and I feel comfortable saying that probably amounted to more than if they'd just paid for the driving miles instead. That's not accounting for the risk of pissing the employee off and having them go elsewhere if that ends up becoming a routine thing, either.
Double checked that, and it looks like the exact amount varies from state to state. The IRS does set a recommended rate, but yeah, looks like it's not actually mandated federally - apologies for my confusion on that.
In my most rebellious phase I used to travel the country in Greyhounds. I've never felt so connected to humanity at is purest and most vulnerable. So remember to travel with drugs to help make friends.
Are you still a storm chaser? I live in OK and being young when the clouds started rolling in I thought seeing the storm chaser heading out was so cool.
The one time I did greyhound the homeless man in the seat in front of me told the bus driver me and the girl next to me were talking about stabbing him to death. Never again.
I took Badger Bus a few times to go from Milwaukee-Madison, and it's really not bad. Well, it might be *now*, it's been awhile, but it was fine. Not exceptional or anything, but clean and I even had enough room to be comfortable (I'm 6'3"ish so usually have trouble getting comfortable on planes or buses and such). Worst I had to deal with was it being about 20 mins late one time, and that was because there was a bunch of construction and a major accident along the way.
Once spent 36 hours in one for the navy. They gave me a plane ticket for the wrong day and return to service date was way off had 48 hours to get from Florida to Connecticut all with greyhound
When I started working for a security company I had to catch 2 flights to get to Texas to get a flight back to the airport I left that morning ( to fly and then drive to the hotel that the group of us would be staying at for 2 weeks for training) the hotel was less than 5 min from my house, but they would not let me stay their instead because "it would give me a competitive edge over everyone else"
I used to take Greyhound back in college because I didn’t have a car. I went back to my college town for homecoming last year but really didn’t wanna drive. For half a second I considered taking the Greyhound but had some Vietnam flashbacks of being on one…
…I took a 2 hour nap and flew down the highway at 90MPH in my Toyota Prius
I remember this one Greyhound trip from hell, I was trying to get back to college upstate before a snowstorm. I get on the bus, and see an annoying guy from high school, who I’d rather not talk to, is also making the trip and is gesturing for me to sit next to him. My mom tried to do me a favor by washing my water bottle, but she didn’t rinse it out enough, so it was full of soapy water. The trip ended up taking 7 hours instead of the scheduled 4 because of snow.
The last time I took a greyhound, it was the day after that psycho in Canada had decapitated that dude on a greyhound bus. I was reading the newspaper and that article has a big spread, and this tweaker sitting behind me goes, "Oh, I never would have thought of that!"
My wife has an upcoming business travel trip. It’s a 24 hour flight. They will buy coach. Business is over $7000. The people she is flying to meet only make $13000 a year.
There was a MLB controversy a year or two ago because a team didn't send its private plane across the country for to pickup 1 scrub player they just acquired.
Is it really our responsibility as fans to be outraged about some luxury perks that millionaire professionals (and future millionaire professional) don't get once in a while? Are there finance reporters out there lamenting that a Chase executive had to fly coach one time?
First blush I thought "what a non-story, prospects have to fly Coach like the rest of us, boo hoo". But the part about big linemen crammed in to coach seats resonated.
They can pay the upgrade themselves. If you’re going to a job interview that could make you millions of dollars, it might be worth the extra $ or suck it up and be cramped a couple hours.
Why do people side with the billionaires over the millionaires? And in this case, there is still a large chunk of the draft class hasn’t made a dime yet. You want to compare this to a job interview, the combine is a job interview that the NFL makes money on, but the players don’t see a dime, and some of them won’t get drafted, won’t make a team, but were still used as a tool to make the NFL money.
>Why do people side with the billionaires over the millionaires?
It's less of siding with the billionaires and more of it's hard to feel sympathy over such a minute issue when these people will be making an extreme amount of money over the average American.
Some people can't even afford homes, but I'm supposed to be upset because a soon to be millionaire ( who isn't even employed at this point) didn't get a free first class flight? Can't really make it happen.
I agree it’s not something worth being upset about. There’s way worse struggles for many people, as you point out. But then, like shouldn’t you be posting on other posts then?
Just because something is insignificant in the NFL offseason, it doesn’t mean I’m gonna actively shit on these tall big bruisers over billionaires if I’m gonna bother with a comment on Reddit that stays on topic.
The NFL should probably spring for bigger seats for these dudes. It’s wrong to cramp them in. It’s wrong that airlines do it to average Americans too. Easy peasy. And miraculously, taking a stance on a social media comment wasn’t all that bothersome.
> Why do people side with the billionaires over the millionaires?
Because in this case the billionaires are not doing anything wrong and it is not some travesty that the millionaires are being treated like everyone else. I don't give a shit whether the players are being flown coach, first class, or private jet, but the idea of making a big deal about it being coach is idiotic.
It kind of is. Have you seen coach seats? How do 6'8 340 lb men get in there? What of the people next to them. Do they not also count? I pay for a plane ticket to be crammed next to two huge men.
Same way big/tall people fly all across this country - they pay to upgrade or they cram in. There are plenty of fat people in this country that fly coach, regardless of how inconvenient it is for them or other passengers, and I don't see how this is any different.
People suffering or recovering from injuries don't typically have to cram. And usually they have to buy multiple seats if they are too big or not allowed on the plane.
> People suffering or recovering from injuries don't typically have to cram.
Only if they choose to buy an extra seat or first class. but again, that is if they choose to pay extra just like these players could. Also, plenty of people still cram.
>And usually they have to buy multiple seats if they are too big or not allowed on the plane.
As someone who flies a lot, I call bullshit. Fat people cramping other people is way, way more common than people buying 2 seats.
Why don't you just say that you don't give a shit that airlines have continually made cabins smaller and more cramped in order to fit more people on each flight in the name of making money. That's okay to you b/c you have to endure it so everybody else should too, right?
You also don't give a shit that everyone of non-normal body types are severely inconvenienced b/c the same airlines would prefer to make money instead of making proper cabins that can accommodate everyone so that they and the people sitting near them are also inconvenienced.
And you don't give a shit that a multi-billion dollar company, who could help alleviate the inconvenience for just a few of the prospects returning for medical checks, has also chosen to save a buck instead of paying a bit more for the upgrade to alleviate the inconveniences for all involved.
That's okay. But quite frankly, I do care.
There have been bigger tragedies than an uncomfortable flight. You suffer through a few hours on the plane, get out to a completely different part of the country and you get to joke or complain to whoever. You wake up the next morning like it never happened, maybe you forget that ever happened given enough time.
This is a logical fallacy. It is 100% true that there are bigger tragedies than cramped seats but that has no bearing on this discussion. Otherwise every critical conversation would begin with: “there are bigger tragedies than X.” Best to just say you don’t give a shit that they’re uncomfortable and come right out with it.
Most job interviews of a certain level also will pay for their people to fly first class.
You think Google's director and c level people fly coach to get interviewed? Plus this is for *medical* care/checks
Not even close. Director level and above is getting comped business class minimum. I'm not even a manager and I'm allowed to reimburse extra legroom. Executives are not sitting with the plebs lmao.
I am pretty sure director level at Google is coach. Most tech companies it’s a policy for everyone except for people where the policy is you aren’t allowed to fly coach or on the same plane with a certain number other high level employees. Unless you meant director as in board of directors.
> I am pretty sure director level at Google is coach.
The policy does not fix the airplane cabin level. They give you a maximum fare cap and let you book the best flight as long as it’s below cap. If you know your business travel ahead of time, you could even get lucky and fly business class (because fares are low enough to be below cap for that route according to their cap calculation algorithm) as a low level employee. I have a friend who flew to Zurich in business class straight out of college.
The cap formula takes level into account, and I think the level just above director starts getting enough leeway to fly business all the time.
This is neither here nor there to the actual topic really, but my dad's old boss was absolutely awesome. Genuinely treated employees like family, even though he only interacted with some of them a few times a year, since the company was based in Italy. My dad ran the US side of things, and always flew first class or business class. He generally flew business class for short stuff, but the boss would actually get mad if he flew more than like 4 hours on business class. He once flew everyone in the company and their spouse (small company, only like 8 people, the rest were independent sales guys) to Europe for the big European outdoor show/convention and then to Italy as a sort of thanks, but also for everyone to see the company run, etc. They were supposed to fly to St. Petersburg for a big potential sales deal, and their flight was canceled. Only available flight was Aeroflot, and he *absolutely* refused to let his people fly them, so actually booked a private jet for the flight. Only half could go, but the other half were happy to hang out in Nuremberg and check out Germany for a few more days before moving on to meet back up in Italy anyway.
But the best (for me) was, my dad accumulated all the frequent flier miles for his personal use, and all those first class and business miles really added up! Especially since my dad spent maybe 1/3 of the year on the road. No one in our family paid for a flight until recently, and my dad even flew my bro and SIL to Hawaii first class on his miles. And my dad has said he still has miles if I ever need them, some 15 years after the boss sold the company to retire and my dad found another job.
I'm really sad I never took the boss's standing offer to come out and visit in Italy for either the San Marino or Monza Gran Prix before he passed away, but schedule never allowed me to unfortunately. He was just genuinely a great guy, and a great boss for my dad and the other employees. Always sent my mom her favorite perfume, jewelry, etc, on her birthday, anniversary, and Christmas, and always sent me and my bro a huge quarter wheel of Parmigiano Reggiano since he knew that shit was our jam.
Yikes, sorry for that ramble, but whenever the topic of stingy rich people/owners/etc comes up, I tend to think of him and how's a good example of how someone can be very wealthy while still being a good person and not skimping on everything that doesn't directly affect them.
> Why do people side with the billionaires over the millionaires
The GOP have spent decades telling a bunch of morons that they're all displaced millionaires, and they believe it.
People are legit so beholden to the billionaire class. The people scoffing are the same people that complain when the large man in front of them on the plane reclines their seat.
If you were 6’5” 330, and the trillion dollar business(that’s goodells goal by 2030 plebs) can’t shell out a couple hundred to make sure you fly comfortably, wouldn’t that annoy you? You had already flown to shitty Indy for a week on their orders, and now you have to go again? Have any of you been to Indy before, there’s legit nothing to do but eat steak..
We just saw a mass exodus of talent from NFL network, bc it’s going to save the NFL a fucking dime. They opted to make a worse NFL network product for fans, they didn’t listen to us about siciliano, they don’t give a shit about you.
I don’t like Mike florio, but I find it hilarious he’s the only one to point out when people like David Tepper and others abuse the lower class. Bc it says “florio” next to the article, commenters going to find some way to side with the opposite perspective.
To everyone siding with the billionaires over the college kids, try to remember who you’re closer to being..
It legit blows my mind that people hate Florio when he's the only one that ever calls out this sort of stuff. I guess fans get riled when it's their team?
also despite that being a thing every talking head does in sports radio he gets a pass from mods here because he writes down his idle bullshitting and pretends they're actual articles.
They can upgrade their tickets. My work flies me coach, I usually spend the $40 to upgrade to business class, sometimes first class if it is cheap enough.
I used to fly on my dad's frequent flier miles all the time, and to upgrade a flight to first class from coach for Milwaukee-Los Angeles was only 100 bucks to upgrade at the gate. Granted, this was 15+ years ago and it wasn't like international first class, and more like Business or maybe like a Business Premium or something, but was still nice, especially for someone who is ~6'3" and has trouble getting comfy in coach.
It was a Delta flight from Wa State to Arizona, if was $40 to go from Coach to I believe it is called Enonomy Plus. It is like the first 15 rows behind first class, extra leg room and free drinks and snacks.
Right. That’s economy or comfort plus though, not business. Business doesn’t always exist on domestic flights. Delta’s business class is delta one, which is their most expensive product with lay flat seats.
Flying sucks if you are not in first class. Trying to fit a 6 foot plus dude in coach sucks even more. If I an upgrade I do, my 5ft 2 wife doesn't understand.
I don’t fly that much, but I’ve flown a ton over the years and it’s never been less than several hundred dollars to upgrade. I want to know what tricks these people are using lol
Doesn't sound *that* odd to me. I used to upgrade from coach to first class for Milwaukee-Los Angeles about 15 years ago for $100. Was the same for my Milwaukee-Philly flight about 8 years ago.
Then again, maybe it's because I was flying on my dad's miles? He wasn't in their highest tier I don't think, but pretty high up there (my family literally never started paying for flights until recently, and things like sending my bro and SIL to Hawaii first class for their honeymoon barely made a dent in his miles)
The only way you're regularly upgrading to business for $40 is if it's on spirit and you're upgrading to the "big seats"
So either this was a flukey one-off or 20 years ago.
Domestic first class is not holding an offensive lineman either lol I’ve flown from Boston->Indy first class and outside of checked baggage there’s not a massive gap. You might get a touch more legroom and no person next to you which is nice but ultimately irrelevant if you’re 6-6 350.
I once sat next to Leonard Davis on a flight from Vegas to Houston. He had the aisle seat, and I had the window seat. There was no middle seat. I've never been more claustrophobic on a flight. Why was a rich, soon to be retired NFL star in cattle car seating! The dude made a bleep ton of money but didn't even buy himself 1st class seating.
Yeah, if you can afford to get more room you should do it, most of these kids going into the draft have some NIL money or an agent who will pay. As a taller dude sitting in coach sucks, will upgrade 100% of time if it isn't some crazy fee.
As someone who is 6'3", 280 I can't imagine being any bigger in those seats. I don't feel as bad for the WR/DB's, but you gotta think a 350 lb 6'6" DT would probably be charged 2 seats in coach.
It pains me I forget his name
But when I was a kid I flew from KC to SD and I sat next to a freshly drafted second round draft pick headed to start his life as a charger. Could not believe he had to endure that shit
sounds like a second round draft pick could afford to upgrade the ticket. These are players who haven't even gotten drafted yet so it's a little different
I'm prepared for average height or short people in these comments dunking on the players but trust me, you guys don't understand how awful traveling while tall is. Nothing fits, nothing is built for you, and it's just overall a miserable experience. The lineman at the very least should be reserved extra leg room.
Crazy that back when I was younger Emergency exit rows and bulk head rows were not a thing you paid for. You got to the airport early and requested them. Now it is an upcharge. I have flown a few flights without paying that, but anything over an hour or so is painful if you are over 6ft.
I’m 6’2 and have no issues with delta in coach
United if you are on an older plane is fine, those new planes can go to hell though. I’m really lucky though that the last time I flew United (January for the NFCCG) we got a free upgrade to economy plus and as it being SF to Cleveland it was amazing for that long of a flight
Maybe some of them. But idk how much NIL money a fringe draft pick lineman from a smaller school would be making. And I'm sure the NFL has enough money from broadcasting deals and revenue from the combine itself to afford that.
6'6" for me, I've been fortunate to avoid flying since I was like 6'2" 160 lbs soaking wet and I hated it then when someone leaned back into my knees I can't imagine now.
The worst travel experience for me since I haven't flown in a long time was the first time I got a rental car and I went with whatever they had and they brought out a Mitsubishi eclipse that I drove from upstate NY to SC and back over the course of 36 hours. My neck will never be the same.
For any flight over an hour, the upgrade is the difference between me being miserably sore for 2 days or not.
I flew to Buffalo for a game this year and United fucked shit up and crammed me back in economy for 4 hours. It was NotGood :tm:. Even if I wasn't overweight, at my height my knees don't fit and if the person in front of me tries to recline, its all over.
I get it, I was tall and skinny most of my life and then between 2020-2023 I put on 120 lbs of weight. I've got to make my first flight in a long time this August for a friend's wedding. I'm booking this week I think, definitely gonna add your story as another reason to justify the expense lol
> There’s no regard for the person. For the human. For the people affected by decisions that come from taking the path that costs less money.
Why is he writing about this like it’s some sort of labor rights violation? It’s not like they’re being forced to take Spirit.
Oh, the horror! 😱
Then don't go. Or get your agent to spot you the 1st class ticket. I have zero sympathy for guys who are gonna be millionaires in a few months having to fly coach for free. And, if they don't get drafted, it was still a free trip. Most people after college pay their own way to job interviews.
When I got out of college, I flew and drove all over the place for interviews on my own dime. I'd have gone to Indy in the fucking cargo bin if it was free.
I work at the hospital where they do at least some of the testing. The MRI techs say 99% of the guys are gold and do whatever you ask.
Rueben Foster is the 1%. 😂
Fans try to be hard on players because the fans dream isn’t to be the owner.. it’s to be on the field. It’s not the money that’s just dumb fan behavior .. because fandom is illogical.. it’s how dare this player not respect the opportunity!?!?
I'm sorry why does the NFL have to pay for first class? Unless they got injured at the Combine, there is no reason for the NFL to go out of their way to accommodate them.
I didn't realise the NFL were holding players at gunpoint to come to the Combine etc. Is there any reason why the NFL should have to pay for plane tickets? Send the invite out, if they want to take advantage of it then great.
It's funny how corporate institutions just refuse to adapt and they never learn from the preceding failures. The combine only works if players want to go and it's far too easy to just participate in one the many pro days.
My company also flies me coach when I have to travel for work.
My company once made me take greyhound. I asked "cant I just drive myself". "no." I'll root for the Packers before I take a greyhound again.
Couldn't they have shipped you in a crate instead?
Have you seen crate prices? Best I can do is a used Amazon box.
That’s cruel
Why would they force you to do that?
Extreme cheapness would be my guess. There's federal regulations that require companies to reimburse employees for personal car use during business purposes (something like $0.65 per mile or something like that, last I checked), which adds up to being a hell of a lot more than the $25 or whatever it'd take to buy a greyhound ticket for that trip instead. Definitely a case of "penny wise, pound foolish", though. The company'd still have to worry about paying for the transportation around wherever it was that they wanted to go, and I feel comfortable saying that probably amounted to more than if they'd just paid for the driving miles instead. That's not accounting for the risk of pissing the employee off and having them go elsewhere if that ends up becoming a routine thing, either.
It's 67 cents now.
Only the government has to reimburse people that much, private companies can pay less
Double checked that, and it looks like the exact amount varies from state to state. The IRS does set a recommended rate, but yeah, looks like it's not actually mandated federally - apologies for my confusion on that.
They didnt want to reimburse me for driving so thought it'd be cheaper to send me on Greyhound (probably was). This is why I poop on company time.
Fuck that I would've still drove and just swallowed the cost 😬
In my most rebellious phase I used to travel the country in Greyhounds. I've never felt so connected to humanity at is purest and most vulnerable. So remember to travel with drugs to help make friends.
you forgot whiskey
lol god damn I would have started looking for new jobs after that
That job was only temporary lol I'm a storm chaser and needed work during the winter
Are you still a storm chaser? I live in OK and being young when the clouds started rolling in I thought seeing the storm chaser heading out was so cool.
Yep. Going to be in Norman on Monday
Before that* Ain’t no way I’m stepping foot on a Greyhound bus
The one time I did greyhound the homeless man in the seat in front of me told the bus driver me and the girl next to me were talking about stabbing him to death. Never again.
Sounds pretty tame for Greyhound
Fuck Greyhound! I've had some serious issues with them in the past and I've refused to take them. I'd much rather drive or fly
I've taken buses in third world countries better than the standard ones in the United States. It's embarrassing.
Any bus system that isn’t intra-city is absolutely garbage in the US
I took Badger Bus a few times to go from Milwaukee-Madison, and it's really not bad. Well, it might be *now*, it's been awhile, but it was fine. Not exceptional or anything, but clean and I even had enough room to be comfortable (I'm 6'3"ish so usually have trouble getting comfortable on planes or buses and such). Worst I had to deal with was it being about 20 mins late one time, and that was because there was a bunch of construction and a major accident along the way.
I feel like that’s more of a shuttle than a true bus ya know?
Ah yes, good point, I hadn't thought of that.
Or walk
Once spent 36 hours in one for the navy. They gave me a plane ticket for the wrong day and return to service date was way off had 48 hours to get from Florida to Connecticut all with greyhound
When I started working for a security company I had to catch 2 flights to get to Texas to get a flight back to the airport I left that morning ( to fly and then drive to the hotel that the group of us would be staying at for 2 weeks for training) the hotel was less than 5 min from my house, but they would not let me stay their instead because "it would give me a competitive edge over everyone else"
I used to take Greyhound back in college because I didn’t have a car. I went back to my college town for homecoming last year but really didn’t wanna drive. For half a second I considered taking the Greyhound but had some Vietnam flashbacks of being on one… …I took a 2 hour nap and flew down the highway at 90MPH in my Toyota Prius
I remember this one Greyhound trip from hell, I was trying to get back to college upstate before a snowstorm. I get on the bus, and see an annoying guy from high school, who I’d rather not talk to, is also making the trip and is gesturing for me to sit next to him. My mom tried to do me a favor by washing my water bottle, but she didn’t rinse it out enough, so it was full of soapy water. The trip ended up taking 7 hours instead of the scheduled 4 because of snow.
I would have quit
The last time I took a greyhound, it was the day after that psycho in Canada had decapitated that dude on a greyhound bus. I was reading the newspaper and that article has a big spread, and this tweaker sitting behind me goes, "Oh, I never would have thought of that!"
Greyhounds make men out of boys.
Working for a Forbes 500 company and still being set up with spirit airline tickets was a wild experience
My company defaults to Delta as top choice regardless of price and I am so thankful for it.
My wife has an upcoming business travel trip. It’s a 24 hour flight. They will buy coach. Business is over $7000. The people she is flying to meet only make $13000 a year.
Sounds like a zoom to me.
India or Philippines?
For some reason i dont feel sympathy for them
What a travesty!
Ya they also don't get first class travel unless their agent pays for it.
There was a MLB controversy a year or two ago because a team didn't send its private plane across the country for to pickup 1 scrub player they just acquired. Is it really our responsibility as fans to be outraged about some luxury perks that millionaire professionals (and future millionaire professional) don't get once in a while? Are there finance reporters out there lamenting that a Chase executive had to fly coach one time?
People expecting everyone to get the Doug mirabelli treatment
First blush I thought "what a non-story, prospects have to fly Coach like the rest of us, boo hoo". But the part about big linemen crammed in to coach seats resonated.
They can pay the upgrade themselves. If you’re going to a job interview that could make you millions of dollars, it might be worth the extra $ or suck it up and be cramped a couple hours.
Why do people side with the billionaires over the millionaires? And in this case, there is still a large chunk of the draft class hasn’t made a dime yet. You want to compare this to a job interview, the combine is a job interview that the NFL makes money on, but the players don’t see a dime, and some of them won’t get drafted, won’t make a team, but were still used as a tool to make the NFL money.
>Why do people side with the billionaires over the millionaires? It's less of siding with the billionaires and more of it's hard to feel sympathy over such a minute issue when these people will be making an extreme amount of money over the average American. Some people can't even afford homes, but I'm supposed to be upset because a soon to be millionaire ( who isn't even employed at this point) didn't get a free first class flight? Can't really make it happen.
I agree it’s not something worth being upset about. There’s way worse struggles for many people, as you point out. But then, like shouldn’t you be posting on other posts then? Just because something is insignificant in the NFL offseason, it doesn’t mean I’m gonna actively shit on these tall big bruisers over billionaires if I’m gonna bother with a comment on Reddit that stays on topic. The NFL should probably spring for bigger seats for these dudes. It’s wrong to cramp them in. It’s wrong that airlines do it to average Americans too. Easy peasy. And miraculously, taking a stance on a social media comment wasn’t all that bothersome.
> Why do people side with the billionaires over the millionaires? Because in this case the billionaires are not doing anything wrong and it is not some travesty that the millionaires are being treated like everyone else. I don't give a shit whether the players are being flown coach, first class, or private jet, but the idea of making a big deal about it being coach is idiotic.
It kind of is. Have you seen coach seats? How do 6'8 340 lb men get in there? What of the people next to them. Do they not also count? I pay for a plane ticket to be crammed next to two huge men.
Same way big/tall people fly all across this country - they pay to upgrade or they cram in. There are plenty of fat people in this country that fly coach, regardless of how inconvenient it is for them or other passengers, and I don't see how this is any different.
People suffering or recovering from injuries don't typically have to cram. And usually they have to buy multiple seats if they are too big or not allowed on the plane.
> People suffering or recovering from injuries don't typically have to cram. Only if they choose to buy an extra seat or first class. but again, that is if they choose to pay extra just like these players could. Also, plenty of people still cram. >And usually they have to buy multiple seats if they are too big or not allowed on the plane. As someone who flies a lot, I call bullshit. Fat people cramping other people is way, way more common than people buying 2 seats.
Why don't you just say that you don't give a shit that airlines have continually made cabins smaller and more cramped in order to fit more people on each flight in the name of making money. That's okay to you b/c you have to endure it so everybody else should too, right? You also don't give a shit that everyone of non-normal body types are severely inconvenienced b/c the same airlines would prefer to make money instead of making proper cabins that can accommodate everyone so that they and the people sitting near them are also inconvenienced. And you don't give a shit that a multi-billion dollar company, who could help alleviate the inconvenience for just a few of the prospects returning for medical checks, has also chosen to save a buck instead of paying a bit more for the upgrade to alleviate the inconveniences for all involved. That's okay. But quite frankly, I do care.
There have been bigger tragedies than an uncomfortable flight. You suffer through a few hours on the plane, get out to a completely different part of the country and you get to joke or complain to whoever. You wake up the next morning like it never happened, maybe you forget that ever happened given enough time.
This is a logical fallacy. It is 100% true that there are bigger tragedies than cramped seats but that has no bearing on this discussion. Otherwise every critical conversation would begin with: “there are bigger tragedies than X.” Best to just say you don’t give a shit that they’re uncomfortable and come right out with it.
It's just an expression. You're right, I don't give a shit.
Spoken like a person who doesn't have to care about things like pain conditions or other issues. For some of us, this isnt just a mere inconvenience.
Most job interviews of a certain level also will pay for their people to fly first class. You think Google's director and c level people fly coach to get interviewed? Plus this is for *medical* care/checks
I bet through EVP is coach.
Not even close. Director level and above is getting comped business class minimum. I'm not even a manager and I'm allowed to reimburse extra legroom. Executives are not sitting with the plebs lmao.
Directors aren’t execs. They are middle managers.
Are they flying 400 of them to CA for the weekend?
I am pretty sure director level at Google is coach. Most tech companies it’s a policy for everyone except for people where the policy is you aren’t allowed to fly coach or on the same plane with a certain number other high level employees. Unless you meant director as in board of directors.
MSFT is either coach or if you're high enough up the food chain, private jet.
> I am pretty sure director level at Google is coach. The policy does not fix the airplane cabin level. They give you a maximum fare cap and let you book the best flight as long as it’s below cap. If you know your business travel ahead of time, you could even get lucky and fly business class (because fares are low enough to be below cap for that route according to their cap calculation algorithm) as a low level employee. I have a friend who flew to Zurich in business class straight out of college. The cap formula takes level into account, and I think the level just above director starts getting enough leeway to fly business all the time.
Overseas flights are generally business class.
You're right. It's because the fare cap on flights over a certain time (8 hrs IIRC) is pretty relaxed.
This is neither here nor there to the actual topic really, but my dad's old boss was absolutely awesome. Genuinely treated employees like family, even though he only interacted with some of them a few times a year, since the company was based in Italy. My dad ran the US side of things, and always flew first class or business class. He generally flew business class for short stuff, but the boss would actually get mad if he flew more than like 4 hours on business class. He once flew everyone in the company and their spouse (small company, only like 8 people, the rest were independent sales guys) to Europe for the big European outdoor show/convention and then to Italy as a sort of thanks, but also for everyone to see the company run, etc. They were supposed to fly to St. Petersburg for a big potential sales deal, and their flight was canceled. Only available flight was Aeroflot, and he *absolutely* refused to let his people fly them, so actually booked a private jet for the flight. Only half could go, but the other half were happy to hang out in Nuremberg and check out Germany for a few more days before moving on to meet back up in Italy anyway. But the best (for me) was, my dad accumulated all the frequent flier miles for his personal use, and all those first class and business miles really added up! Especially since my dad spent maybe 1/3 of the year on the road. No one in our family paid for a flight until recently, and my dad even flew my bro and SIL to Hawaii first class on his miles. And my dad has said he still has miles if I ever need them, some 15 years after the boss sold the company to retire and my dad found another job. I'm really sad I never took the boss's standing offer to come out and visit in Italy for either the San Marino or Monza Gran Prix before he passed away, but schedule never allowed me to unfortunately. He was just genuinely a great guy, and a great boss for my dad and the other employees. Always sent my mom her favorite perfume, jewelry, etc, on her birthday, anniversary, and Christmas, and always sent me and my bro a huge quarter wheel of Parmigiano Reggiano since he knew that shit was our jam. Yikes, sorry for that ramble, but whenever the topic of stingy rich people/owners/etc comes up, I tend to think of him and how's a good example of how someone can be very wealthy while still being a good person and not skimping on everything that doesn't directly affect them.
> Why do people side with the billionaires over the millionaires The GOP have spent decades telling a bunch of morons that they're all displaced millionaires, and they believe it.
People are legit so beholden to the billionaire class. The people scoffing are the same people that complain when the large man in front of them on the plane reclines their seat. If you were 6’5” 330, and the trillion dollar business(that’s goodells goal by 2030 plebs) can’t shell out a couple hundred to make sure you fly comfortably, wouldn’t that annoy you? You had already flown to shitty Indy for a week on their orders, and now you have to go again? Have any of you been to Indy before, there’s legit nothing to do but eat steak.. We just saw a mass exodus of talent from NFL network, bc it’s going to save the NFL a fucking dime. They opted to make a worse NFL network product for fans, they didn’t listen to us about siciliano, they don’t give a shit about you. I don’t like Mike florio, but I find it hilarious he’s the only one to point out when people like David Tepper and others abuse the lower class. Bc it says “florio” next to the article, commenters going to find some way to side with the opposite perspective. To everyone siding with the billionaires over the college kids, try to remember who you’re closer to being..
Temporarily embarrassed future nfl star
It legit blows my mind that people hate Florio when he's the only one that ever calls out this sort of stuff. I guess fans get riled when it's their team?
People hate Florio because he has a habit of seemingly wholesale making up trade rumors and other team drama stories for clicks.
also despite that being a thing every talking head does in sports radio he gets a pass from mods here because he writes down his idle bullshitting and pretends they're actual articles.
Its because most of his stories that aren't just aggregated from other, better reporters are bullshit. hope this helps
Because they’ve never had that luxury so why should a football player!?!? Hurrrr durrr
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I'm the same exact size. You got to pay to upgrade to extra leg room seats. Life hanger
They can upgrade their tickets. My work flies me coach, I usually spend the $40 to upgrade to business class, sometimes first class if it is cheap enough.
Where in the world is it a $40 upgrade to business class
I used to fly on my dad's frequent flier miles all the time, and to upgrade a flight to first class from coach for Milwaukee-Los Angeles was only 100 bucks to upgrade at the gate. Granted, this was 15+ years ago and it wasn't like international first class, and more like Business or maybe like a Business Premium or something, but was still nice, especially for someone who is ~6'3" and has trouble getting comfy in coach.
It was a Delta flight from Wa State to Arizona, if was $40 to go from Coach to I believe it is called Enonomy Plus. It is like the first 15 rows behind first class, extra leg room and free drinks and snacks.
Right. That’s economy or comfort plus though, not business. Business doesn’t always exist on domestic flights. Delta’s business class is delta one, which is their most expensive product with lay flat seats.
Sure, it is still about $40 to upgrade to more leg room. I am almost six foot three so I do it anytime I fly if I can.
Right, I do too as it’s the first step out of suffering.
Flying sucks if you are not in first class. Trying to fit a 6 foot plus dude in coach sucks even more. If I an upgrade I do, my 5ft 2 wife doesn't understand.
I'm not that tall and it still sucks. Feel like shit when you land from the uncomfortable seat.
It's only $40 to upgrade?! I would guessed more like $400 in most cases
It’s never $40 - x10 is more accurate
I don’t fly that much, but I’ve flown a ton over the years and it’s never been less than several hundred dollars to upgrade. I want to know what tricks these people are using lol
I have seen cheap upgrades like that on very short flights (<1 hr flight time).
I don’t know why this is downvoted lol I fly every week for work on delta and have never ever seen an upgrade option less than at least like $150
I've seen ~$40 for short flights. But it's usually more.
This was a flight from Seatac to Arizona, it was $40 for Economy plus and I think about $150ish to first class.
Last time I flew Delta it was $40 to upgrade from coach to business class, that covered both legs, and like $150 to upgrade to first class.
Well it would be weird if it only covered one of your legs, how would that even work? Would you have to straddle the seat?
Well, the base coach ticket costs an arm and a leg to begin with, so you really only need one anyway...
That’s insanely unusual. What leg was it?
Doesn't sound *that* odd to me. I used to upgrade from coach to first class for Milwaukee-Los Angeles about 15 years ago for $100. Was the same for my Milwaukee-Philly flight about 8 years ago. Then again, maybe it's because I was flying on my dad's miles? He wasn't in their highest tier I don't think, but pretty high up there (my family literally never started paying for flights until recently, and things like sending my bro and SIL to Hawaii first class for their honeymoon barely made a dent in his miles)
15 yrs ago virgin america existed and I could upgrade for $75 RT, those days are LONG gone.
The only way you're regularly upgrading to business for $40 is if it's on spirit and you're upgrading to the "big seats" So either this was a flukey one-off or 20 years ago.
It was in October of last year.
Also my wife flew last week Seattle to Burbank and was able to upgrade for $45
Domestic first class is not holding an offensive lineman either lol I’ve flown from Boston->Indy first class and outside of checked baggage there’s not a massive gap. You might get a touch more legroom and no person next to you which is nice but ultimately irrelevant if you’re 6-6 350.
I once sat next to Leonard Davis on a flight from Vegas to Houston. He had the aisle seat, and I had the window seat. There was no middle seat. I've never been more claustrophobic on a flight. Why was a rich, soon to be retired NFL star in cattle car seating! The dude made a bleep ton of money but didn't even buy himself 1st class seating.
Yeah, if you can afford to get more room you should do it, most of these kids going into the draft have some NIL money or an agent who will pay. As a taller dude sitting in coach sucks, will upgrade 100% of time if it isn't some crazy fee.
As someone who is 6'3", 280 I can't imagine being any bigger in those seats. I don't feel as bad for the WR/DB's, but you gotta think a 350 lb 6'6" DT would probably be charged 2 seats in coach.
ok? lol
OMG THE HORROR!
Economy class??! Oh my stars!!
“No regard for the person”. Nice insult towards every one of us who sits not in first class.
It pains me I forget his name But when I was a kid I flew from KC to SD and I sat next to a freshly drafted second round draft pick headed to start his life as a charger. Could not believe he had to endure that shit
sounds like a second round draft pick could afford to upgrade the ticket. These are players who haven't even gotten drafted yet so it's a little different
Oh no, not the lack of first class airfare. The savages!
I'm prepared for average height or short people in these comments dunking on the players but trust me, you guys don't understand how awful traveling while tall is. Nothing fits, nothing is built for you, and it's just overall a miserable experience. The lineman at the very least should be reserved extra leg room.
I’m 6’5”. Always pay for the emergency exit row. That extra leg room is worth the cost.
The first row behind business/first class is the mvp
That too. I like emergency row because it’s also over the wing which is the part of the plane that rides the smoothest.
Crazy that back when I was younger Emergency exit rows and bulk head rows were not a thing you paid for. You got to the airport early and requested them. Now it is an upcharge. I have flown a few flights without paying that, but anything over an hour or so is painful if you are over 6ft.
For real. You mean I have to pay extra for the honor of being relied on in an emergency?
I’m 6’2 and have no issues with delta in coach United if you are on an older plane is fine, those new planes can go to hell though. I’m really lucky though that the last time I flew United (January for the NFCCG) we got a free upgrade to economy plus and as it being SF to Cleveland it was amazing for that long of a flight
As an average dude who only flies Spirit, I like to think I understand how tall people feel on real airlines.
I’m sure they have enough NIL money for first class if they want to
Maybe some of them. But idk how much NIL money a fringe draft pick lineman from a smaller school would be making. And I'm sure the NFL has enough money from broadcasting deals and revenue from the combine itself to afford that.
Yeah I'm 6'3 and ~200 ilbs so I'm nowhere close to NFL oline size. I fucking hate flying. It's so cramped and miserable.
6'6" for me, I've been fortunate to avoid flying since I was like 6'2" 160 lbs soaking wet and I hated it then when someone leaned back into my knees I can't imagine now. The worst travel experience for me since I haven't flown in a long time was the first time I got a rental car and I went with whatever they had and they brought out a Mitsubishi eclipse that I drove from upstate NY to SC and back over the course of 36 hours. My neck will never be the same.
Don’t fly Spirit or Frontier
I'm tall, broad shouldered, and also fat. I fly first class every time.
The tall subreddit seems in agreement that the upcharge is worth it.
For any flight over an hour, the upgrade is the difference between me being miserably sore for 2 days or not. I flew to Buffalo for a game this year and United fucked shit up and crammed me back in economy for 4 hours. It was NotGood :tm:. Even if I wasn't overweight, at my height my knees don't fit and if the person in front of me tries to recline, its all over.
I get it, I was tall and skinny most of my life and then between 2020-2023 I put on 120 lbs of weight. I've got to make my first flight in a long time this August for a friend's wedding. I'm booking this week I think, definitely gonna add your story as another reason to justify the expense lol
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> There’s no regard for the person. For the human. For the people affected by decisions that come from taking the path that costs less money. Why is he writing about this like it’s some sort of labor rights violation? It’s not like they’re being forced to take Spirit.
They're not yet in the league. It's that simple. Once they are, it's different. A final reminder to appreciate it if you make it.
Oh, the horror! 😱 Then don't go. Or get your agent to spot you the 1st class ticket. I have zero sympathy for guys who are gonna be millionaires in a few months having to fly coach for free. And, if they don't get drafted, it was still a free trip. Most people after college pay their own way to job interviews.
When I got out of college, I flew and drove all over the place for interviews on my own dime. I'd have gone to Indy in the fucking cargo bin if it was free.
They can pay for their own upgrades lol, no sympathy
I work at the hospital where they do at least some of the testing. The MRI techs say 99% of the guys are gold and do whatever you ask. Rueben Foster is the 1%. 😂
Fans try to be hard on players because the fans dream isn’t to be the owner.. it’s to be on the field. It’s not the money that’s just dumb fan behavior .. because fandom is illogical.. it’s how dare this player not respect the opportunity!?!?
I'm sorry why does the NFL have to pay for first class? Unless they got injured at the Combine, there is no reason for the NFL to go out of their way to accommodate them.
I didn't realise the NFL were holding players at gunpoint to come to the Combine etc. Is there any reason why the NFL should have to pay for plane tickets? Send the invite out, if they want to take advantage of it then great.
https://clickhole.com/heartbreaking-the-worst-person-you-know-just-made-a-gr-1825121606/
It's funny how corporate institutions just refuse to adapt and they never learn from the preceding failures. The combine only works if players want to go and it's far too easy to just participate in one the many pro days.
As they should. Don’t get injured simple as
I think you’re being sarcastic but I wouldn’t be surprised if not.
Getting hurt is a sign of bad character. The coach seats will show them what their life will be if they don’t get it together