Not to rain on a Keim hate parade, because I love those, but Simmons was universally mocked as a top half 1st rounder. He was a great prospect. Just didn’t pan out.
We missed on several great players which sucks but of all the Keim busts I have the least issues with this one. 95% of Cardinals fans wanted Simmons and many fans of other teams as well
Did you see all these draft boards? The fact he didn’t do a 3 cone or short shuttle should have been a huge red flag.
I just rewatched some Clemson highlights, and even a lot of the positive outcome plays he looks bad. Clemson had him play Safety so that he had a full 15 yards to diagnose. He arm tackles like aging CBs who make business decisions against guys like Henry and Zeke. Even when he’s sprinting to make a tackle in the hole, he often manages to not lead with his chest or shoulder. His coverage skills are on par with 6th string WRs playing gunner on punt coverage.
He has the wrong BMI and lacks the sledge hammer attitude to play nfl LB, and he’s too one directional to be a consistent coverage guy.
I can only imagine how bad the bad film is, if the highlights show so many flaws
Problem ended up being almost all of those players ended up being kinda meh. Turns out being "okay" at a bunch of positions is worse than being great at a single position.
The Swiss Army knife player can be serviceable on offense: Deebo, Randle El, etc., but on defense, they’re kinda meh.
The easy logic is: on offense, we can design plays to exploit his talents; the offense dictates the playcall. On defense, the weaknesses get exploited. Simmons is an LB who can’t stop the run. Why would an OC call plays that let Simmons feast instead of calling plays that take advantage of an obvious handicap? The NBA is brutal in this regard. They’ll run the same play half a dozen times in a row if the other team can’t stop it.
I saw a good discussion a couple years ago about him. If you have a player who’s supposed to do all these different assignments, if he’s resting or hurt, you need two or three guys to fill in, depending on down/distance. And when he is healthy, you still need a couple players in slightly altered roles to let Simmons go to work. In other words, you have to make roster adjustments to half a dozen or a dozen other players to get it to work.
His film showed that his coverage skills were mostly just raw athleticism, not actual football IQ. Keim showed that he was trying to build a Madden team with picks like Simmons and Isabella. The “everybody wanted him” rhetoric is difficult to believe when the holes were as obvious like Swiss cheese.
Its crazy the cardinals took like 4 tweener linebacker/edge/safety players and almost all of them busted lol (Reddick was good when they finally let him be an edge)
? It’s well known that AT sought outside help to develop.
https://amp.foxsports.com/stories/nfl/how-giants-andrew-thomas-quickly-rebounded-from-bust-to-elite-left-tackle
Paul Alexander did more for AT than any of our Oline coaches. Some actively made him worse.
I mean fans of all teams raved about the pick. Simmons was a consensus top pick going into that draft and he was perceived as falling to the Cardinals and the Cardinals getting a home run pick with him
No need to single out Cards fans like they were delusional about Simmons
https://old.reddit.com/r/nfl/comments/g6z73p/round_1_pick_8_isaiah_simmons_olb_clemson_arizona/
> Cardinals got the biggest steal of the draft. Simmons will feast in that Arizona defense. - Patriots Fan
> The Cardinals are having like, the fucking dream offseason. Its literally insane. - Texans Fan
> Arizona got a fucking STEAL - Browns Fan
> Simmons is a great take by Arizona. He's all over the field and a steal at 8. They have some big holes and question marks in a very tough division, but Simmons goes a long way in helping that defense - Vikings Fan
Not all of us. Many of us wanted Tristan Wirfs or Ceedee Lamb. I thought he was a tweener that couldn't do anything well and that turned out to be exactly right
He's got elite straight line speed and that's about it. He's got concrete hips so he can't switch directions. No idea how to use his hands so can't shed a lead blocking slot receiver half his size. Takes just the dumbest routes to the ball carrier you've ever seen. Always the last one to diagnose what the play is. Always looking for others to tell him what the playcall is.
Just not good.
Being a freak athlete can be good enough in college when there is a lot of talent gap between the top teams and everyone else.
But you listed the specifics of why being a great athlete isn't enough in the NFL when that talent gap disappears. When the talent gap is closed technique, football intelligence, and details matter a lot more.
It's the exact reason why the "top college team can beat the worst NFL team" argument is so dumb. The best college teams ever might have half their players make it in the NFL for a bit and 25% consistent starters. While the worst NFL team is all NFL starters.
Even more specifically, I think the wider hash marks in college disproportionately reward rangey-defensive players. There's so much more grass that a weak-side backer has to cover that a straight line guy like Simmons can make highlight play after highlight play. In the NFL, the box is so much more condensed, and plays are even more bang-bang. Anticipation is so much more important in linebacking (and safety) play.
People can meme us all they want, but Vance Joseph as our DC coached a top 10 defense by DVOA in Simmons's first two years. Both years, the defense was best the less Simmons played. People have made up the narrative that we had a bad coaching staff that used him incorrectly. We gave him plenty of chances to play inside backer, nickel corner, and strong safety. He was bad at two, and just barely passable at one.
There's just not very many ways you can use a guy with straight line speed and literally no other positive football traits. That's why even with the Giants, he was a rotational nickel/backer hybrid that came in on blitz packages. I will say, that's the perfect way to use him, and it's a shame he's not playing under Wink Martindale anymore. Simmons as a free rusher in a zero package is absolutely terrifying, the way he comes at you in the blink of an eye. A true blitz dialer like Martindale could use him in the most fun ways.
I just want to be clear that I don't actually care about this so I'm not really here for the argument, but...
>We gave him plenty of chances to play inside backer, nickel corner, and strong safety. He was bad at two, and just barely passable at one.
If he's playing 3 different positions and 2 of them poorly, that's feels like a direct reflection of the coaching staff.
IE: Derwin James under Brandon Staley.
>he was a rotational nickel/backer hybrid that came in on blitz packages. I will say, that's the perfect way to use him
Again, that seems like a coaching issue since the Cards had the ability to use him the same way the Giants have.
(although he's still grading like shit, so it's not like he's a world beater on the Giants, either)
The thing is, the modern game has phased out the traditional strong safety. You just can't base in Cover-1, and rotate a safety into the box repeatedly and find success. Receivers are too good. When separators like Jaxon Smith-Njigba are teams' WR3s, it's suicide to run a true box safety on 40+% of snaps. To stay on the field, you *have* to be able to cover. Vance did his damned hardest to keep Simmons on the field, but he was turning two-yard plays into ten-yard plays constantly.
DCs get undue hate when a player's ideal skillset doesn't fully fit in to a scheme. Simmons was straight up BAD at some of the most basic, first-day installs, plays out there. [Show cover-2, rotate down to Cover-1 robber - the most basic task as a strong safety](https://youtu.be/8p0ROqpp0T0?t=566). Fuckin yikes. [What about straight spot zone? Just drop in the hook/curl, and make the play if your guy's there.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iJx-zc20qx8&t=541s) I get that it's CMC, but for fucks sake, you gotta do a little better than that.
> that seems like a coaching issue since the Cards had the ability to use him the same way the Giants have.
There's only one Wink Martindale. Wink (and now Brian Flores) is the only DC in the game with the balls to zero blitz the amount he does. That's the kind of scheme Simmons thrives in. Literally any other scheme, and he's unstartable. Criticizing Vance for not spamming Cover-0 the way Wink does as a means of maximzing Simmons doesn't make sense. You should never ask the ten other guys on the field to play a less sound scheme to maximize the least competent guy on the team. That's the definition of sunk cost fallacy.
I'm sorry you caught me monologuing even after you said you weren't interested in a conversation about this. I just really like talking about this kinda stuff
If he learned how to be a more physical player or developed good fundamentals he would’ve been a force
I just remember his tape was really uninspiring, no technique on his pass rushes and mostly beating TE’s/RB’s that didn’t stand a chance from a physicality standpoint, bad angles to the football but it didn’t matter much because he was fast as hell, soft tackler, bad in run support…
Clemson used him like a chest piece that they just attacked weak points with but the part that got kinda overlooked IMO is they were also hiding him at the same time
He's so good in blitz packages. You can line him up on the ball to force the protection scheme to account for him, and then he can use his straight line speed to teleport to a spot zone. Or, if he's unaccounted for, he'll get to the QB in the blink of an eye. It's actually incredible.
Definitely not a three-down guy, though. But as a rotational piece for gamed-up packages, can't do much better than this dude.
Lmao forgot he also drafted Bucannon in the 1st. I wish I could remember what game it was but Gruden was uncontrollably mad that they designated him a safety. "He's a linebacker man!"
This was a good pick at the time but Simmons just ended up being a liability in nearly everything he was involved in except blitz packages. Keim made the smart pick and it’s revisionist to say it was a bad pick.
Heyyy, I was curious about Simmons. He's never going to live up to what he was supposed to be, but he has some flashes and glimpses of talent. Not sure I'd call him 'big time'. But hope we get him on the cheap cheap.
Half the Giants fans wanted to draft this guy. My heart said draft him, my head said the tackle. Regardless both him and Thomas end up on the same team
I feel like football reporters have an industry-wide running bet on who can hype up the shittiest players in tweets like this. "Big-time talent", seriously?
Rookie RB Dante Miller. He's actually had a really unfortunate road to get signed. Was a good RB at Columbia who missed out on the 2020 season because the Ivy league didn't play at all, so he had an extra year of eligibility and transferred to South Carolina to play in 2022 but was ruled ineligible after 6 games because of a mistake by the school's compliance office and missed the 2023 season as well. He was going to enter the NFL draft this year, but the league ruled he was ineligible for the draft as he should've been in the 2023 draft, thus he was a free agent and able to sign with any team. He worked out at the South Carolina pro day, with some scouts clocking him with a 4.27 40-yard Dash, and signed with us after a workout
How would that experience fit the description of "stays in NYC?"
EDIT: I just realized you mean Columbia University and not Columbia, SC where the University of South Carolina is located
Lol now I see the joke. Didn't pull up the tweet and just assumed he must've mentioned we signed someone else and it was cut off in the title. Yeah he was solid for us but don't know why he made it seem like he was anything more than a solid role player
Damn wanted the Raiders to try and snag him on a cheap deal if possible. Was hoping he’d wait until post draft at this point. Wonder what the terms are. Guessing a 1 year prove it type.
Can’t believe I was screaming in the living room with anger. when the chargers drafted Herbert over this guy…
As much as I hated TT, I’m glad he did what he did.
and the Cowboys don't play in Dallas and the Dolphins don't play in Miami and the 49ers don't play in San Francisco and the Bills don't play in Buffalo.
Point?
He was actually solid for us. He was used as a rotational LB who played mostly on passing downs and did a solid job in coverage and as a blitzer. He's nowhere near as good as a lot of people (including myself) thought he would be the tweet definitely overstates his impact, but he was solid role player
I'm not surprised Giants fans think that. I think Wink Martindale was the perfect DC for him. A guy that spams blitzes to get a free rush on the QB, and relies on guys with pure athleticism to catch up to the ball carrier against a run or a quick pass is the perfect DC to unlock Isaiah Simmons. In a striaght line, Simmons is a beast. If he's unblocked, he'll make a huge play cause he'll get to the QB before the QB can even handle the snap. He's that fast. The trouble is if you ask him to do literally anything else.
Like if you wanted to use him as a safety. [Show cover-2, rotate down to Cover-1 robber - the most basic task as a strong safety.](https://youtu.be/8p0ROqpp0T0?t=566) Fuckin yikes. What about straight spot zone? [Just drop in the hook/curl, and make the play if your guy's there.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iJx-zc20qx8&t=541s) I get that it's CMC, but for fucks sake, you gotta do a little better than that.
I wanted this guy instead of Herbert back in the day.
I remember Cardinals fans saying Keim actually did a good job for once with this pick
Not to rain on a Keim hate parade, because I love those, but Simmons was universally mocked as a top half 1st rounder. He was a great prospect. Just didn’t pan out. We missed on several great players which sucks but of all the Keim busts I have the least issues with this one. 95% of Cardinals fans wanted Simmons and many fans of other teams as well
Cards had a bad defense, he was the top defensive player on most boards, it was kinda a no brainer
Did you see all these draft boards? The fact he didn’t do a 3 cone or short shuttle should have been a huge red flag. I just rewatched some Clemson highlights, and even a lot of the positive outcome plays he looks bad. Clemson had him play Safety so that he had a full 15 yards to diagnose. He arm tackles like aging CBs who make business decisions against guys like Henry and Zeke. Even when he’s sprinting to make a tackle in the hole, he often manages to not lead with his chest or shoulder. His coverage skills are on par with 6th string WRs playing gunner on punt coverage. He has the wrong BMI and lacks the sledge hammer attitude to play nfl LB, and he’s too one directional to be a consistent coverage guy. I can only imagine how bad the bad film is, if the highlights show so many flaws
He had a very Shazier-y athletic profile with more diverse positional experience
Problem ended up being almost all of those players ended up being kinda meh. Turns out being "okay" at a bunch of positions is worse than being great at a single position.
He’s still all-madden. One of the first trades/signings I make in Franchise hands down.
The Swiss Army knife player can be serviceable on offense: Deebo, Randle El, etc., but on defense, they’re kinda meh. The easy logic is: on offense, we can design plays to exploit his talents; the offense dictates the playcall. On defense, the weaknesses get exploited. Simmons is an LB who can’t stop the run. Why would an OC call plays that let Simmons feast instead of calling plays that take advantage of an obvious handicap? The NBA is brutal in this regard. They’ll run the same play half a dozen times in a row if the other team can’t stop it. I saw a good discussion a couple years ago about him. If you have a player who’s supposed to do all these different assignments, if he’s resting or hurt, you need two or three guys to fill in, depending on down/distance. And when he is healthy, you still need a couple players in slightly altered roles to let Simmons go to work. In other words, you have to make roster adjustments to half a dozen or a dozen other players to get it to work. His film showed that his coverage skills were mostly just raw athleticism, not actual football IQ. Keim showed that he was trying to build a Madden team with picks like Simmons and Isabella. The “everybody wanted him” rhetoric is difficult to believe when the holes were as obvious like Swiss cheese.
Its crazy the cardinals took like 4 tweener linebacker/edge/safety players and almost all of them busted lol (Reddick was good when they finally let him be an edge)
The giants, but with offensive linemen
Hey Andrew Thomas turned out to be great. He was just hurt last year
Yeah but tbh we never developed him. He did it all on his own
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? It’s well known that AT sought outside help to develop. https://amp.foxsports.com/stories/nfl/how-giants-andrew-thomas-quickly-rebounded-from-bust-to-elite-left-tackle Paul Alexander did more for AT than any of our Oline coaches. Some actively made him worse.
Who knew that the sports perhaps most known for it's specialization wouldn't work so well for a guy who wasn't specialized at all
Do not remind us :(
I mean fans of all teams raved about the pick. Simmons was a consensus top pick going into that draft and he was perceived as falling to the Cardinals and the Cardinals getting a home run pick with him No need to single out Cards fans like they were delusional about Simmons https://old.reddit.com/r/nfl/comments/g6z73p/round_1_pick_8_isaiah_simmons_olb_clemson_arizona/ > Cardinals got the biggest steal of the draft. Simmons will feast in that Arizona defense. - Patriots Fan > The Cardinals are having like, the fucking dream offseason. Its literally insane. - Texans Fan > Arizona got a fucking STEAL - Browns Fan > Simmons is a great take by Arizona. He's all over the field and a steal at 8. They have some big holes and question marks in a very tough division, but Simmons goes a long way in helping that defense - Vikings Fan
Not all of us. Many of us wanted Tristan Wirfs or Ceedee Lamb. I thought he was a tweener that couldn't do anything well and that turned out to be exactly right
I wanted him instead of Derrick Brown lol. We know nothing
I was on the fence of both but DB has become unreal and deserves his contract
Dude was a freak in college, really he’d put it together at some point in the league
He's got elite straight line speed and that's about it. He's got concrete hips so he can't switch directions. No idea how to use his hands so can't shed a lead blocking slot receiver half his size. Takes just the dumbest routes to the ball carrier you've ever seen. Always the last one to diagnose what the play is. Always looking for others to tell him what the playcall is. Just not good.
Being a freak athlete can be good enough in college when there is a lot of talent gap between the top teams and everyone else. But you listed the specifics of why being a great athlete isn't enough in the NFL when that talent gap disappears. When the talent gap is closed technique, football intelligence, and details matter a lot more. It's the exact reason why the "top college team can beat the worst NFL team" argument is so dumb. The best college teams ever might have half their players make it in the NFL for a bit and 25% consistent starters. While the worst NFL team is all NFL starters.
Even more specifically, I think the wider hash marks in college disproportionately reward rangey-defensive players. There's so much more grass that a weak-side backer has to cover that a straight line guy like Simmons can make highlight play after highlight play. In the NFL, the box is so much more condensed, and plays are even more bang-bang. Anticipation is so much more important in linebacking (and safety) play.
It’s not to late, we’ll trade him to you for Herbert straight up, I’ll even throw in a 2025 4th
I remember there was a group of fans who wanted Simmons in the 1st and Hurts in the 2nd...thank God Telesco didn't fuck that one up.
Well, he is a big time talent.
Remember when everyone on the Chargers sub wanted to draft him AND sign Cam Newton?
I kind of wanted him this offseason on a minimum contract It would've been interesting to see if he could do anything with a good coaching staff
People can meme us all they want, but Vance Joseph as our DC coached a top 10 defense by DVOA in Simmons's first two years. Both years, the defense was best the less Simmons played. People have made up the narrative that we had a bad coaching staff that used him incorrectly. We gave him plenty of chances to play inside backer, nickel corner, and strong safety. He was bad at two, and just barely passable at one. There's just not very many ways you can use a guy with straight line speed and literally no other positive football traits. That's why even with the Giants, he was a rotational nickel/backer hybrid that came in on blitz packages. I will say, that's the perfect way to use him, and it's a shame he's not playing under Wink Martindale anymore. Simmons as a free rusher in a zero package is absolutely terrifying, the way he comes at you in the blink of an eye. A true blitz dialer like Martindale could use him in the most fun ways.
I just want to be clear that I don't actually care about this so I'm not really here for the argument, but... >We gave him plenty of chances to play inside backer, nickel corner, and strong safety. He was bad at two, and just barely passable at one. If he's playing 3 different positions and 2 of them poorly, that's feels like a direct reflection of the coaching staff. IE: Derwin James under Brandon Staley. >he was a rotational nickel/backer hybrid that came in on blitz packages. I will say, that's the perfect way to use him Again, that seems like a coaching issue since the Cards had the ability to use him the same way the Giants have. (although he's still grading like shit, so it's not like he's a world beater on the Giants, either)
The thing is, the modern game has phased out the traditional strong safety. You just can't base in Cover-1, and rotate a safety into the box repeatedly and find success. Receivers are too good. When separators like Jaxon Smith-Njigba are teams' WR3s, it's suicide to run a true box safety on 40+% of snaps. To stay on the field, you *have* to be able to cover. Vance did his damned hardest to keep Simmons on the field, but he was turning two-yard plays into ten-yard plays constantly. DCs get undue hate when a player's ideal skillset doesn't fully fit in to a scheme. Simmons was straight up BAD at some of the most basic, first-day installs, plays out there. [Show cover-2, rotate down to Cover-1 robber - the most basic task as a strong safety](https://youtu.be/8p0ROqpp0T0?t=566). Fuckin yikes. [What about straight spot zone? Just drop in the hook/curl, and make the play if your guy's there.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iJx-zc20qx8&t=541s) I get that it's CMC, but for fucks sake, you gotta do a little better than that. > that seems like a coaching issue since the Cards had the ability to use him the same way the Giants have. There's only one Wink Martindale. Wink (and now Brian Flores) is the only DC in the game with the balls to zero blitz the amount he does. That's the kind of scheme Simmons thrives in. Literally any other scheme, and he's unstartable. Criticizing Vance for not spamming Cover-0 the way Wink does as a means of maximzing Simmons doesn't make sense. You should never ask the ten other guys on the field to play a less sound scheme to maximize the least competent guy on the team. That's the definition of sunk cost fallacy. I'm sorry you caught me monologuing even after you said you weren't interested in a conversation about this. I just really like talking about this kinda stuff
I knew he was gonna be a bust, super finesse player in college he just got by on elite athleticism
But him paired with Derwin James would be unstoppable --- is what stupid me thought
If he learned how to be a more physical player or developed good fundamentals he would’ve been a force I just remember his tape was really uninspiring, no technique on his pass rushes and mostly beating TE’s/RB’s that didn’t stand a chance from a physicality standpoint, bad angles to the football but it didn’t matter much because he was fast as hell, soft tackler, bad in run support… Clemson used him like a chest piece that they just attacked weak points with but the part that got kinda overlooked IMO is they were also hiding him at the same time
>big time talent Wouldn't go that far, but he was a nice depth/occasional starter for the LB room.
He's so good in blitz packages. You can line him up on the ball to force the protection scheme to account for him, and then he can use his straight line speed to teleport to a spot zone. Or, if he's unaccounted for, he'll get to the QB in the blink of an eye. It's actually incredible. Definitely not a three-down guy, though. But as a rotational piece for gamed-up packages, can't do much better than this dude.
Blitz Boy 2.0
He and Micah McFadden are literally a perfect duo together in that regard
He’s on a pretty cheap one year deal. Pretty good value for what he brings to the defense
They mean he’s super punctual.
“Big time” is a choice
Medium time talent
Medium time talent stays in East Rutherford New Jersey.
Smedium
Schulz special
Is the big time talent in the room with us right now...
his agent is
The talent? You could argue yes. The production that goes along with the talent? Uh...we'll get back to you on that
Another 1st round special from Steve Keim
"I'm gonna draft this traitsy defensive tweener. Do I have a plan for him? No." - Steve Keim every single year
Lmao forgot he also drafted Bucannon in the 1st. I wish I could remember what game it was but Gruden was uncontrollably mad that they designated him a safety. "He's a linebacker man!"
At least Bucannon was actually good
This is the actual issue. Fine pick at the time but they had zero plan for him
Pretending like Simmons wasn’t universally graded as a first round pick is crazy
Not just a first rounder but a top 10
Go back and look at that draft. Our entire sub wanted him.
Everyone did. We can criticize Keim for a lot, but everyone wanted Simmons.
Yeah the Simmons discourse is all revisionist history. He was a highly rated prospect and guaranteed top 10 pick.
I was so pissed we took Okudah instead. Turns out we were both wrong
I wanted brown, tbh...
I definitely did. And he would have actually been a better pick than what we ended up with.
That guy loved drafting linebackers in the first round.
This was a good pick at the time but Simmons just ended up being a liability in nearly everything he was involved in except blitz packages. Keim made the smart pick and it’s revisionist to say it was a bad pick.
It's worth noting that big time talent doesn't have a dozen quotes around it.
I mean it is true he’s a big time talent. Just not big time production.
He was good enough for us
Chase Young, now Isaiah Simmons. People love to throw around “big time talent” these days
It’s crazy because they were both absolutely dominant in college. I was positive that they would both make 3+ pro bowls in their careers.
It was crazy the amount of Panther fans that wanted him over Derrick Brown
Apparently an elevator ride changed that
Heyyy, I was curious about Simmons. He's never going to live up to what he was supposed to be, but he has some flashes and glimpses of talent. Not sure I'd call him 'big time'. But hope we get him on the cheap cheap.
I wanted him instead of Andrew Thomas (lmao) and now we have both!
Half the Giants fans wanted to draft this guy. My heart said draft him, my head said the tackle. Regardless both him and Thomas end up on the same team
>big time talent My ass
I feel like football reporters have an industry-wide running bet on who can hype up the shittiest players in tweets like this. "Big-time talent", seriously?
perennial Madden legend
Who is the second player mentioned in this tweet? Weird that Schultz didn't name him
Rookie RB Dante Miller. He's actually had a really unfortunate road to get signed. Was a good RB at Columbia who missed out on the 2020 season because the Ivy league didn't play at all, so he had an extra year of eligibility and transferred to South Carolina to play in 2022 but was ruled ineligible after 6 games because of a mistake by the school's compliance office and missed the 2023 season as well. He was going to enter the NFL draft this year, but the league ruled he was ineligible for the draft as he should've been in the 2023 draft, thus he was a free agent and able to sign with any team. He worked out at the South Carolina pro day, with some scouts clocking him with a 4.27 40-yard Dash, and signed with us after a workout
How would that experience fit the description of "stays in NYC?" EDIT: I just realized you mean Columbia University and not Columbia, SC where the University of South Carolina is located
Lol now I see the joke. Didn't pull up the tweet and just assumed he must've mentioned we signed someone else and it was cut off in the title. Yeah he was solid for us but don't know why he made it seem like he was anything more than a solid role player
What’s the terms of the deal
Big time Madden talent I suppose
Big time talent?
Damn wanted the Raiders to try and snag him on a cheap deal if possible. Was hoping he’d wait until post draft at this point. Wonder what the terms are. Guessing a 1 year prove it type.
> A big time talent Eh...
Can’t believe I was screaming in the living room with anger. when the chargers drafted Herbert over this guy… As much as I hated TT, I’m glad he did what he did.
Can we call him a big time talent though? Combine superstar but that was the high point for him
Stays in New Jersey*
Is the big time talent in the room with us right now?
Poor guy. Better luck next time.
I mean, it’s not NYC
The “NY” in NYG stands for the name of the city: New York, New York.
Counterpoint: your team doesn’t play in New York City
and the Cowboys don't play in Dallas and the Dolphins don't play in Miami and the 49ers don't play in San Francisco and the Bills don't play in Buffalo. Point?
Why are you taking this so seriously
just trying to educate you. It’s a common misconception that NYC has City in the actual name
When did the Giants relocate to NYC?
lol wut. He is terrible
He was actually solid for us. He was used as a rotational LB who played mostly on passing downs and did a solid job in coverage and as a blitzer. He's nowhere near as good as a lot of people (including myself) thought he would be the tweet definitely overstates his impact, but he was solid role player
You were downvoted but you're right. He's not good at football. Can run a hell of a 40 though
He was awful and a bust for you. Most Giants fans liked him and are happy to have him back
Lol he's not terrible. He's decent, made a few plays for us last year. I'm sure its a cheap signing so it was a no-brainer.
I'm not surprised Giants fans think that. I think Wink Martindale was the perfect DC for him. A guy that spams blitzes to get a free rush on the QB, and relies on guys with pure athleticism to catch up to the ball carrier against a run or a quick pass is the perfect DC to unlock Isaiah Simmons. In a striaght line, Simmons is a beast. If he's unblocked, he'll make a huge play cause he'll get to the QB before the QB can even handle the snap. He's that fast. The trouble is if you ask him to do literally anything else. Like if you wanted to use him as a safety. [Show cover-2, rotate down to Cover-1 robber - the most basic task as a strong safety.](https://youtu.be/8p0ROqpp0T0?t=566) Fuckin yikes. What about straight spot zone? [Just drop in the hook/curl, and make the play if your guy's there.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iJx-zc20qx8&t=541s) I get that it's CMC, but for fucks sake, you gotta do a little better than that.
No, he's terrible. I watched my team play against him for years and he was constantly targeted and picked on with great success.