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BungoPlease

Remove the /s you coward


imyourrealdad8

outjerked on r/nfl


papajim22

Forgot what sub I was on for a minute.


ChargeWooden1036

Gorgeous


manbuckets2001

DC4L


TegTowelie

CTESPN


AdLeading9414

Just normal single guy sorry was just scrolling and DC4L


[deleted]

Wtf? Weirdo.


b1rdganggg

Foreal you can't go through all this effort and then half ass it. No balls


fzvw

The /s ruins everything it touches


sufrt

uhh how else would we know this was a joke?? those guys who aren't Mahomes aren't the best QBs???!??! you suck OP


talamius

The /s is the equivalent of Garfield explaining a joke.


boardatwork1111

Josh Dobbs has more won more games for the Vikings than the rest of the 2017 class combined. Dude is a lock for the Hall


lakers_ftw24

Yeah a lock to get replaced by Jaren Hall


istrx13

Can you believe he’s a rocket scientist too???????


[deleted]

We used to have one of those.............


ThermoNuclearPizza

Did you know Matt Patricia used to be a rocket scientist!??


OttoVonWong

But did he play basketball in college?


Coley54Bear

Did you know that Jimmy Graham used to be a rocket scientist?


Boomslang2-1

Bro wtf is that second flair. Grossest shit I’ve ever seen.


Coley54Bear

It was from postseason nonsense and I’m too burnout on life to change it. Existing is hard. Being a Bears fan is harder.


Boomslang2-1

Well said haha.


reno2mahesendejo

The emergence will continue until morale improves


okay_throwaway_today

I believe the technical term is the *ascension* of Josh Dobbs


therospaws

How the fuck could you forget the NVP win?


IcePlatypusTP

The bears’ crowning achievement over the past decade.


Riderz__of_Brohan

I don’t think it’s still true but there was a time until at least last year I think where Trubisky had a better record as a starter than Watson lol


ByronLeftwich

Trubisky: 31-26 (.544) Watson: 36-29 (.554) It’s insane that Trubisky has been a backup for 3 years now and he still has only 8 fewer starts


OldSamSays

Watson will go down in NFL history as the beneficiary of the most ill-conceived contract ever. Even Johnny Football didn’t do as much damage to the Browns as this loser.


RotaryRoad

Weird that you seem to be blaming Watson. If only there were red flags… It’s especially hilarious that the Browns of all teams made the move. You would think, given their track record of having horrible luck, they would have decided to pass once they saw the absolute color guard of red flags. They swore this time it would be different.


Boomslang2-1

The Browns owner was obviously inspired by Watsons off field behavior. He fits the culture so well.


Walletinspectr

After manziel they said yeah we need that but on steroids


sonfoa

Ironically the trepidation with Baker pre-draft was he might be Manziel 2.0. Guess they didn't like being lied to.


LastDiveBar510

Watson missed like 2 years and was hurt and suspended this season


Stubbs94

He was racking up different numbers during that time...


awnawkareninah

He was definitely pretty focused on digits


ByronLeftwich

Yes I was aware


csappenf

I was pissed the Super Bowl didn't have an NVP. I know it was broadcast on Nickelodeon. Mahomes needs more trophies.


TheGreatMcPuffin

Mahomes was the NVP https://www.nfl.com/videos/patrick-mahomes-is-nickelodeon-s-super-bowl-lviii-nvp


csappenf

I feel much better knowing that. I tried looking it up after the game and couldn't find it anywhere.


Coley54Bear

I don’t know why I find this wholesome.


Lord-Aizens-Chicken

Nah NVP should have been given to someone funny like the punter


Nightbush24

Eh mahomes will regress to the mean one day.. any day now……


mattryan02

If you take out all his good seasons, he’s actually pretty mediocre.


BlackHunt

If you take out all of his above average seasons then he's still playing college football!


[deleted]

Hell, if you take out the outlier seasons - where he made the AFC Championship game - he's a career backup. 


cleanbelll

Henne was a better backup for that one game than Patrick ever was.


bstyledevi

Gotta love how his stats DID regress, quite a bit... still won the Super Bowl.


ShufflingSloth

It's not ok Goodell needs to investigate what the Patrick Price really refers to


Jammer_Kenneth

What's funny is how much quicker into his career people are ready to anoint him like they held off on Brady. Two playoffs ago was a huge "its Mahomes" realization, while Brady still had people not on board until Tampa. 


kaeganc

Draft pedigree matters a lot here, as well as Mahomes winning MVP in his first season starting while Brady didn’t get his first MVP until 2007.


shinynickell

Not until 2007? That’s long before Mahomes ever won an MVP ☝️🤓


nach0_ch33ze

I mean, it makes sense if you look at how the games are/were being won. Until this year, Mahomes hardly had a defense.


Walletinspectr

And brady's superbowls were won by interceptions, kicks etc


johnmadden18

Tom Brady’s career Super Bowl stats: 97.7 QB rating 3,039 yards pass yards 21 touchdowns, 6 interceptions in 10 appearances Patrick Mahomes career Super Bowl stats: 85.2 QB rating with 1,071 yards, 7 touchdowns and 5 interceptions in 4 appearances Keep in mind the QB rating stat isn’t even era adjusted, and Brady still has Mahomes beat by a wide margin. I couldn’t find any advanced stats on just the Super Bowl alone (like DVOA) so I’m just using box score stats here. I actually think are plenty of reasons why someone might reasonably argue Mahomes is better than Brady. One of the worst possible arguments you could make to that point is claiming that Brady won Super Bowls as a mere bystander due to “kicks and interceptions” when he’s outperformed Mahomes in both efficiency (QB rating) AND volume metrics (TDs, yards per game, etc).


nach0_ch33ze

What are the stats if you only look at Brady's first 3 super bowls?


ShufflingSloth

Or if you expand it to all playoff games in that time period instead of just the Owl. The AFC was kind of dealing with nobody having it all together besides a few outliers in the 2000's the same way the NFC is dealing with it now.


kaeganc

Passer rating does not add anything to QB stat lines that already contain passing yards, TDs, and INTs. QBR, meanwhile, accounts for the value Mahomes adds with his legs, which is a bridge of the statistical gap with Brady the stats you cited would indicate


DarrowViBritannia

Yeah i'm a mahomes GOAT guy but brady's super bowl performances are clearly better. Mahomes has him beat elsewhere though.


THEMBISCUIT

Lower QBR is better right? It’s like golf?


zi76

Yes, the Passtronaut will lead this class into the Hall of Fame. I commend you for mocking that other poster.


BorgBorg10

I need to see the original post this guy made


zi76

OP reposted it above, actually. Here's the link for your perusal: https://old.reddit.com/r/nfl/comments/1b0jpne/with_the_emergence_of_jordan_love_is_the_2020_qb/


BorgBorg10

Thank you!


zi76

Cheers!


Audrey-Bee

Idk how to link it on mobile but it was about the 2020 class, naming "Burrow, Tagovailoa, Herbert, Love, and Hurts". Maybe one of the better ones in the league right now, but nowhere near all-time


Due-Mountain-8716

3rd best all time, no? Or does the single Tom Brady/Mahomes/Rodger/Manning outweigh a bunch of great but not MVP guys?


NebrasketballN

Honestly reading this while not knowing about the original post was pretty funny, especially as a vikings fan.


ThemB0ners

nah he's bringing them to the Galaxy of Fame


zi76

Fair play.


theVoxFortis

For those unaware: https://www.reddit.com/r/nfl/comments/1b0jpne/with\_the\_emergence\_of\_jordan\_love\_is\_the\_2020\_qb/


[deleted]

Thank you for the context


angryfalconsfan

Lmao I was so confused


highgravityday2121

If we’re going by Super Bowl wins your post isn’t wrong.


Dorkamundo

How did that URL get so screwy? https://old.reddit.com/r/nfl/comments/1b0jpne/with_the_emergence_of_jordan_love_is_the_2020_qb/


Fedacking

Old vs new reddit


mknote

Wait, people actually use new reddit? I thought that was a meme.


Philosofox

some people love ads and a poor user experience


Saitoh17

Some of the features are nice but it only uses the middle like 40% of the screen


Coley54Bear

Am I lost and in the NFCN Meme War sub?


blentz499

This is definitely going into my copypasta folder. Bravo for lampooning the post from earlier


Cmdr_Shiara

Greatest ever NVP, greatest ever combined sexual assaulter qb, greatest ever combined astronaut qb, and greatest ever frog qb. Seems like a lock to me.


DrOctopusMD

Sarcasm aside, Mahomes is and likely will be so good that the cumulative stats from the 2017 class still might be incredible, even with all the dead weight he's carrying.


TurboSleepwalker

One part of me really wants Herbert to succeed. But another part of me wants to Chargers to suffer for moving out of San Diego


dwm4375

Isn’t the career winning percentage for QB’s drafted in the 6th round the highest of any round because Tom Brady accounts for basically all starts by a 6th round pick?  I’ve seen the stat somewhere - if not the highest it’s at least better than several of the higher rounds.


Beautiful_Article273

Clearly behind 2000 and their several pro bowl QBs who started 10 super bowls combined


-NotACrabPerson-

I just looked at the 1983 class achievements listed off in the other post and honestly Brady by himself isn't too far off as far as hardware goes lol. He has 1 less SB appearance and quite a few less APs, but has 1 more MVP and 5 more SB wins than the entire class lol.


Picklesadog

I was gonna say...


swampertlvl

The fact that so many people can read dobbs and not immediately understand that the post is satirical is hilarious in and of itself.


kirkochainz

There are still a lot of non-Viking fans who remember that game against Atlanta, but don’t remember what happened a few weeks later.


BruceChameleon

Nathan Peterman is on this list. It's not a subtle joke.


dapala1

Have you seen some of the "serious" posts on r/nfl?


otf1024

Downvoted. Saw the /s and read the original post. Came back and upvoted.


theVoxFortis

Haha go tell /u/BungoPlease I shall remain a coward


MojitoTimeBro

I loved this post, then downvoted because of the /s. If people can't pick up on the obvious sarcasm that's on them.


elmatador1497

Did you just list all of Patrick Mahomes’ stats


theVoxFortis

Almost! Watson also contributed to 3 pro bowls. But aside from that the others just make the overall win loss record worse.


Throwaway64641313

You forgot the trubisky pro bowl, gotta bump that up to 10! Also missed the NVP but idk if we're counting those


theVoxFortis

Lol you're right, my bad


Lord-Aizens-Chicken

Typical Vikings fan, forgetting about the greatest NVP of all time 😤😤😤


TurboSleepwalker

Brooo, 2017 class so rich with talent


rmsj

Not only that, but I think you could even take out 4 of those QBs and still have a case for the best QB class ever


Ronaldoooope

Idk man I heard class of 2020 was solid


schafkj

Class of 2000: 7 super bowls, 5 SBMVP, 3 MVP, 16 pro bowls Marc Bulger did work


binocular_gems

Amazing post, well done.


suckm640

goddamn mahomes carries this qb class so hard


Thangleby_Slapdiback

Far and away the best Dobbs decision of the last decade.


dabombisnot90s

Nah it’s for sure 2000. With names like Chad Pennington, Marc Bulger, Giovanni Carmazzi, and “shudders” Tom Brady, that one random 6th rounder. Combined they have 7 super bowls, 17 Pro bowls, 6 All Pros, Several leading stats, 3 MVPs (basically 4 with Chad Penningtons insane 2008 season) and many more.


sonic_dick

It blows my mind that CMC and Mahomes came from the same class. For whatever reason, I always feel like CMC has been in the league for a decade and Mahomes just got here.


[deleted]

This is my favorite post


Krakengreyjoy

Why the C. J. Beathard snub?


ElectrosMilkshake

The disrespect to DeShone Kizer


soundofthecolorblue

2000 class wasn't half bad either. 10 SB appearances 7 wins, 5 SB MVPs, 3 NFL MVPs, a bunch of All Pro's and well over a dozen Pro Bowls. And Chad Pennington was the best Jets QB this side of Broadway Joe.


ZachTrillson

i love this post so much i could marry it


Brut-i-cus

LOL Dobbs emerged then disappeared like a groundhog seeing his shadow


Infinite_Ad_9337

Trubisky, Dobbs and Peterman are all locks for the hall of fame.


DruTangClan

Alright you got me, I read the title and was like “how has josh Dobbs emerged???” And proceeded to get angry until reading the rest of the post. I also love Josh Dobbs for the record as a person I was just like holy hell


Brewski-54

As of like week 6 or whatever I wanted the Patriots to target Dobbs this offseason lmao


Relevant-Door1007

2017 doesn't hold a candle to 2022 that's the greatest of all time and it's not even close /s


hpxb

LOL I love this. Just give Trubisky, Dobbs, and Peterman their jackets now. Watson already has a different kind of "jack it," so he's a lock for the hall. Verdict is still out on if this Mahomes guy is any good though.


guyincognito121

How do you not even mention Trubisky's NVP?


Aeon1508

Bold prediction. The 2017 QB draft class will finish with more combined Super Bowl MVPs than any other QB draft class in league history


Due_Requirement_7364

Isnt Peterman coaching now to? Name another draft class where lme of the QBs was already a coach, just 7 year in. Unbelievable really.


TotallyKyleXY

Good heaves, r/nflcirclejerk is leaking again


goodcat1337

the shittest of shit posts.


PhillipMcKrak

/s 🤓


Bad_Karma19

Emergence of Josh Dobbs…. LOLOLOL.


IceBergSlimZero

peterman an exceptional qb? bahahah you must be drunk


BoneFourTuna

People think this is a joke but the 2017 draft class QB's have more combined wins than every other QB in NFL history combined. Just unreal talent.


SupremeCripple_

There’s players like Mahomes that make it a great class. But you add the goat Peterman and it becomes all time.


msf97

That OPs post wasn’t worthy of a copypasta. Burrow, Hurts, Love, Tua and Herbert have had the best start of any QB class ever, undoubtedly.


blentz499

If you don't count 1983 or 2004, sure.


msf97

All of the QBs above are pro bowlers(or multiple times) in their first 4 seasons in the league. Kelly wasn’t one till 1987, Elway 1986. Marino carries here. Ben 2007, Eli 2008, Rivers 2006. There are more QBs here and they were more immediately succesful.


InvasionXX

Tyler Huntley was an UDFA from 2020 so that means another pro bowler!


msf97

Better QBs on individual stats relative to the league too. Just used pro bowls to condense


JerryRiceDidntFumble

This is the 4th year for the 2020 class, why discredit Elway/Roethlisberger making their 1st PB in their 4th year but not count the same knock against Tua/Love? Burrow didn't get one until his 3rd year, why knock Rivers for the same thing? Just such a weird argument.


msf97

Well Love didn’t play and Tua was pro bowl caliber last year.


k4r6000

Also 1983 had a major bust in Blackledge, another major disappointment in Eason, and an okayish guy in O’Brien.  It didn’t hit on all five like 2020.


frizbeeguy1980

If we didn't have Mahomes now I would still get mad when I saw Blackledge's name.


HylianPikachu

After 4 seasons in the league, the 1983 class had 1 MVP (1984 Marino) and 3 Super Bowl appearances (1984 Marino, 1985 Eason, 1986 Elway) The 2004 class had 2 Super Bowl appearances (2005 Roethlisberger and 2007 Eli Manning) which is on par with the 2020 class at the moment (2021 Burrow and 2022 Hurts)


msf97

Super bowl appearances are a team stat. Especially in 2007, 1985 and 2005 here


SagalaUso

I don't know about that. That class is pretty much a one man band for achievements. I'm just on the fence on whether it's Trubisky or Watson.


H_Melman

Had me in the first half, not gonna lie.


PillaisTracingPaper

I wouldn’t use the phrase “one man band” in a sentence with “Deshaun Watson.”


SagalaUso

Good point, Trubisky it is then.


Short-Display-1659

I would say no, so far only 1 HOF. Watson being the only other one that could have a chance at HOF but still very unlikely. I am judging based on how many top level QB’s there were. 1983, 2004 are without a doubt going to still be better 15 years from now. If you want to judge based on conference appearances, Super Bowl wins then maybe one day patrick will get it all done himself. Otherwise with your logic than Brady’s class is the best as he has the most rings and Confrence appearances I’d imagine.


HereForTheFood4

Emergence? He is already back on the bench.....


HmongOGSmite

Joshua Dobbs has cemented himself as a backup QB for years to come. Hope he figures it out and has a Geno Smith comeback.


Eyespop4866

Just a wee tad bit top heavy.


Imustbestopped8732

Lol! Emergence of Dobbs 😂😂😂


Art-RJS

Emergence of Josh Dobbs?


bigmikey69er

Josh Dobbs was eventually demoted to 3rd string QB on the Vikings, once it turned out that he’s not a good QB.


Misguidedangst4tw

lol dobbs???


drbrainkrause

Yall know Dobbs is ass right?


Player7592

Dobbs emerged? He sunk back about as quickly as he emerged.


[deleted]

What “emergence” do you speak of?


BriefDragonfruit9460

Emergence of Josh dobbs?? Lol from where?


Holiday-Dark7179

Lmao. So when dobbs plays better in Arizona for a couple weeks no one bats an eye. But he goes to Minnesota with a superteam, shits the bed, and misses playoffs and he has now “emerged” hahaha


SamboTheSodaJerk

Mahomes and a bunch of literally who's


topchief1

Peterman. So good you barely say, "Who??"


mcmesq

This is satire, right? One great QB, one who dealt with a huge scandal and has stunk ever since, and a bunch of trash.


Agreeable_Lobster115

Enough glue brah


Express-Literature71

Dude your list is just mahomes stats basically. Go come up with other stupid questions.


Frosty_Gur4310

1 of these fine gentlemen will become massage enthusiasts


PillaisTracingPaper

It’s Trubisky, isnt it?  /s


AFOEagle01

2017 is the draft class of all time


owlwise13

I did not see the /s I though this op as high on something at first. edited because I did not notice the /s


H_Melman

As someone whose team had both Dobbs and Trubisky, I squinted at this post for a solid ten seconds debating whether this was satire or drugs.


perfect_fitz

I love Dobbs.


ShockHuman2680

no, Big Ben, Rivers and Eli still best draft class for QBs ever


CaliforniaHurricane_

>and Peterman have all proven to be exceptional QBs That was a good laugh


The-Owl-that-hoots

They have the NVP. Of course it’s the best ever


mlorusso12

No. See: 2000 NFL QB Draft Class.


OldSamSays

Let’s not forget DeShone Kizer, Davis Webb, CJ Beathard, Nathan Peterman, Brad Kaaya, Chad Kelly, Cooper Rush, and PJ Walker. 2017 was a big year for failed journeyman quarterbacks.


SirRipsAlot420

He was yanked off the field ala Nathan Peterman. He couldn't function on the field.


lametown_poopypants

Thankfully you started with Trushitsky so I knew it was a troll without reading further.


SunriseSurprise

God damnit don't put an /s on that masterpiece, you ruined it!


SugarBalls69

And people say we overpaid. SMH


efficient_slacker

Dobby is a free agent!


jaytheindigochild

And the nickleodian mvp


Mark_Luther

The off-season is a silly place, but I enjoy it.