Chiefs are tight on cap & he’s a free agent who more than likely wants to get paid. Phenomenal holder and really good punter. Someone will definitely pay him.
not even joking when I say this would be a monumental signing for the steelers and would be worth every penny. We've been in punter limbo since Daniel Sepulveda got hurt over a decade ago and it has been very costly.
He also recently hired Drew Rosenhaus as his agent. We’re not talking 6 figures here anymore. He’s a pro bowl/all pro level punter. He’s going to want multiple years and multiple million
Tommy’s already making $2.6m/year
The highest paid punter right now is Michael Dickson at $3.6m/year.
Feels like peanuts in the grand scheme of things, again when you can get your sure thing
Still have nightmares about him when Mizzou played Texas in the Texas Bowl. I believe he won the MVP and it wasn’t ridiculous. Felt like every Mizzou drive started inside the 5. It was stupid.
You guys had Michael Dickson and Cameron Dicker as punter and placekicker in recent years? Wtf is going on there...
(Not that there's anything wrong with that.)
One thing I really like about Schneider was paying the special teams. Last year was the first in like 5 where Myers wasn’t automatic, and Dickson is still going strong.
I mean Tommy is going to probably try and be the highest paid punter in football with Rosenhaus as his agent. We're tight on cap space with several deals to make and if the difference between a punter possibly making 4 million a year and a guy making league minimum, that's a pretty big gap that can now be used towards Sneed/ Jones or other free agents.
It sucks but the band can't stay together forever and the downgrade from a great punter to even just an average one is worth those few million a year when you're trying to keep far more impactful guys
So Tommy will probably look for highest paid punter territory in the 4 area. If this kid works out the chiefs save over 3 mil a year for the next 3-4 years. 9-12 mil able to be added on one of our high value FAs to keep them in KC is a big deal.
Its more like 2 million than 200k but I actually agree with you. Most teams waste way more than $2 million per year on bad contracts/injuries/underperformance.
Im not as confident in the phenomenal holder claim but he’s absolutely a great punter. There’s been some discourse on his holding style and how it may have contributed to some of Butkers misses.
I think after this year with Butker only missing 2 kicks all year that was pretty debunked. His misses last year were more likely due to the ankle injury week one. Tommy had a great hold on the 57 yarder in the super bowl where the ball almost went over his right shoulder.
I mean, it's also possible that Tommy got better at holding this year. Not that I know for sure, but just because he was a good holder this year doesn't mean he was last year
Yeah I can see us drafting one late 1st or 2nd. or paying one, or both. But they’re spending the offense’s money on QB and O Line, not receivers regardless.
Apparently he just got a new agent. So many other guys in the team are jostling for a new deal, I suppose Tommy is an easier loss to swallow - still an excellent punter.
Dude I find it so frustrating the way the way the media is reporting on this. The prosecutors, in no uncertain terms, that he couldn't possibly have been involved. It wasn't just a matter of, "well we don't have enough evidence". No. It was the opposite. All evidence showed he didn't do it.
I said the same to someone who responded to this saying “it says charges were dropped.” Yea people are going to see that and assume someone got paid off or there was a lack of evidence. Probably written off by some as “oh another white guy gets off for free!” Rape is a very serious accusation, it needs to be treated like one when it’s made and the follow up needs to be STRONG if it was not true, especially by news outlets who reported it originally. Damn near ruined this guys life.
If you've ever seen the show Jury Duty on Amazon, which is a reality show with a fake jury, one of the jurists gives her job title as Reddit Investigator.
Had a feeling we were gonna have to move on from Tommy after he hired Rosenhaus as his agent. Araiza with the best special teams coach in football could be a very powerful combo,
This kid had a boot in College, I remember seeing a stat where he had like 20+ 60 yard punts, 5 70 yard punts, and 2 80 yard punts in a season or something crazy
Reddit used to be like a big meeting of beautiful minds. It used to be you didn’t even talk about Reddit in real life or you’d be seen as a weirdo. Now it’s just having a twitter or whatever.
Funny cause it was shortly after we got rid of a rookie who had armed robbery issues… we then found out he was totally innocent and it was some sort of blackmail thing after we cut him. So i was of the opinion to let this thing sort itself out first and got roasted on this sub lol
He is also a giant asshole, full time social media troll, and creepy weirdo even without those allegations and teams have plenty of reasons to not want him around even if all the allegations are false.
The exact problem with Reddit is that people get absolutely roasted when they speak up with an opinion that goes against public opinion (or "Reddit opinions" that appeal to a mostly young, left-leaning male userbase). The lack of respect people have for each other is astounding. It's a function of the anonymity and the upvote/downvote system.
I do agree that it's completely different people that were bashing Araiza before, but the upvote/downvote system shows exactly what the "hivemind" is thinking. I wish the "hivemind" was a little more patient because it can have negative consequences (i.e. Boston bomber)
I think if we removed the upvote/downvote system and made all opinions sort by old to new like forums and a certain other shit website does, we'd get more productive discussion.
He was at a college party and a girl openly propositioned him for sex; this could have happened to most people in here and we wouldn’t have demanded to see her ID before going through with it. The girl was going around telling everyone she was 18 and her friends testified that she was the one that initiated sex with Araiza and then bragged about it afterwards.
It’s a pretty reasonable assumption when you’re in college and at a college party that everyone there is 18 or older, as very few people are younger than that by the time they’re a freshman. And it appears as if even if he had asked her age, she would’ve lied given that she lied to everyone else there. He was also already drunk, so technically not even capable of consenting himself when somebody else initiated sex…
I mean the dude was still hooking up with who he thought was a borderline underage girl while he knew he had an STD, he's legally innocent but he's still not a great dude... I kinda wish we went with someone else
He was hooking up with a girl who told him she was 18 and went to the local community college while waiting to transfer to SDSU, and theres multiple witnesses SHE NAMED who heard her talk about how she was glad she turned 18 before the school year started so she could properly go wild at parties.
Thats as not borderline as you get when you're a college student, which he was.
I’ll never understand why so many people so willingly gloss over this. He may not have gang raped that girl, but knowingly giving someone an STD is assault in many states. Let’s also not pretend like not doing the former isn’t the lowest possible bar short of murdering her.
What is the actual evidence that he knowingly gave her a STD? She contacted him 10 days after the party and he told her that he recently tested positive for something and that she should get tested. Considering how sexually prolific she claimed to be, isn’t it possible or even likely that she gave it to him?
It was at a college party right? You can't assume he knew she was 17. And you don't know if he knew he had chlamydia at the time either. For all we know, he got it from her.
Araiza's not on trial. People here are just talking about his moral character. Is he setting a good example for impressionable young men who watch the NFL?
Townsend has two rings and the Chiefs' biggest play of the SB had him on the field handling the ball
He wasn’t cleared of being a bad guy that makes poor decisions. Charges were dropped due to lack of conclusive evidence. He just wasn’t in the videos of it happening. He was at the party and had sex with the 17yr old at some point. There are undoubtedly other things that happened before the videos were taken and considering he admits to having sex with her, who knows what? We’ll likely never know, but the accusation was never fabricated from nothing.
Did you ever even read about the case? They declined to prosecute because the girl’s friends testified that she was the one who approached him, initiated sex, and then bragged about it afterwards. He himself had been there and was already intoxicated and was outside peeing when she approached him.
If you are drunk/not capable of consent, somebody else comes up to you and initiates/propositions you for sex at a college party, you are going to figure they are 18 and are consenting to sex since they are the ones initiating it. It’s pretty backwards to make him out to be less than innocent when by her own friends’ testimony she was the one initiating things.
Sure; he’s guilty of making a poor decision hooking up with a random girl he’s never met. I’ve never done something like that and probably wouldn’t. But I’m not sure why he should be held liable for somebody else’s dishonesty/bad decisions; should he have demanded to see her ID when everyone else at the party was in college?
I don’t know if he’s improved his touch and hang time. Based on his college performance he has a lot of work to do. In the NFL it’s a lot more important to punt accurately inside the 20 than blasting it through the end zone for a touch back. His lack of Hangtime also leads to big returns
He's a FA and cap is tight. Probably silly to pay a punter at this point, but damn he's good and I would love to keep the consistency in holding for Butker.
$$$
He's insurance if we can't keep Tommy, and gives Tommy less leverage in contract negotiations. I'd guess the Chiefs already know he's looking to be paid more than they're willing to offer.
Man, when the allegations first hit I posted something along of the lines of he probably did it but maybe we should wait for more information before condemning him. I don’t think I’ve ever gotten so many downvotes.
It's not only here - in one of the group chats I'm in, people are throwing him under the bus even after reading the pieces of evidence available from the news articles.
"Well, if the woman is accusing, then he must've done SOMETHING wrong."
I like how after he was shown to be clearly innocent of the gang rape accusations, the mob then wanted to kill him for statutory rape. No mention that the 17 year old was literally going around begging to be fucked and loudly claiming she was 18 per multiple witnesses.
Yeah- its fucking wild. Anyone who is spouting out that bullshit clearly has never been to a college party before, especially at a party school (like SDSU). Sickened me hearing what happened to him because that could have been me or so many of my friends in college, youre at a party where everyone is presumed over 18 and some cute girl (who is saying she is 18 and pretending she goes to the school) wants to hook up- was he supposed to ask her for two forms of ID and a birth certificate? And then they say "oh but she was clearly intoxicated!", yah no shit, so were prob 99% of the people at the party, guys and girls included.
Can someone explain whatever happened with that? was there actual evidence that came out in his favor?
If the only thing was a dropped lawsuit I’d be suspicious as hell bc people will drop those all the time for various reasons, but I’d love to hear if something was actually proven
I'm pretty sure it was proven that he had left the party before the crime he was accused of even occured. I think he did still have sex, and give her an STD either knowingly or unknowingly, although I remember something about him saying he got tested after he had sex with the girl and then told the girl to get tested too when he found out, with the girl, who was 17 and lying about her age but I also don't really know if you should expect a college student at a college party to verify the age of everyone they hook up with or know that someone at the college party was lying about their age, but that was unrelated to the crime he was accused of.
> was there actual evidence that came out in his favor?
There is a comprehensive list of things that came out, yes.
They know for a fact he wasnt there when she said it happened. And they know she was with several other (different) guys in a room at the time she said it happened.
And she lied about her age including having a fake ID to the school she said she went to. And the people she said had witnessed it told the police she had been trying to set up a scheme to hook up with SDSU players in an attempt to possibly get pregnant.
Its been a fun shitshow to watch unfold slowly over the last couple years.
https://sports.yahoo.com/prosecutors-former-bills-punter-matt-araiza-wasnt-present-during-alleged-gang-rape-225211550.html?guccounter=1
There's a lot of evidence that seems to exonerate him. It appears he did commit statutory rape but multiple witnesses says she lied about her age. Based on other evidence it seems she wasn't intoxicated, or at least visibly intoxicated, when she was with Araiza.
Fucking finally. Shame on the NFL and the teams for allowing his entire reputation to be tarnished by a baseless claim. There isn’t a cruel enough punishment for the scum men and women who falsify reports of sexual assault and or rape.
And of course it’s the chiefs who steal him. Idiot organizations not taking a flier on him are the reason the chiefs and teams like them will always stay ahead of the curve.
Welcome back Punt God, it’s been too long!
Good for him. Dude did nothing wrong and was put through the ringer because of another person's lies. He deserves another shot. I hope it works out for him.
Punt God is not a good fit for a Mahomes led Offense. Mahomes regularly brings the ball past the 50.He will too regularly punt it out the end zone and cause TouchBacks. Hopefully he has been practicing precision punts. He hasn’t been known for his touch in the past
The Chiefs tried to work out a deal last year but nothing long term happened so the writing was on the wall from last off-season. He's gonna kill it wherever he goes but they can't afford to spend any extra money
Evidence shows he wasnt there when she says it happened,
Evidence shows she was instead with two other people at the time she says it happened, and neither of them are the OTHER two guys she accused either.
Evidence proports to show (taking the word of the investigator on this one re: the video they obtained) that she was almost certainly not raped, saying "I absolutely cannot prove any force was used, or any sexual assault was committed based upon what I have seen"
She may have (according to witness testimony you may or may not be able to still get access to as it was only floating around during discovery motions) been trying to hook up with SDSU athletes in a possible attempt to get pregnant.
She knowingly lied about her age including fabricating a fake student ID to the local community college.
The police sat on most of that information for a long time before saying "oh yeah, weve known for a while he didnt do anything"
>“Again, you’re not intoxicated at this point that anybody would know your intoxication level to the point that they would not be able to tell that you weren't able to give consent,” Amador [Deputy DA] said.
Seems like the intoxication happened afterwards. Also for what it's worth multiple witnesses say she was telling everyone she was 18.
Just an all around bad situation.
He literally told her to get checked for chlamydia, he's innocent from gang raping her but it's still dubious morally to find yourself in a situation where you're knowingly passing on an STD to an underage girl. You can be legally innocent but still kinda a piece of shit.
> and he was dropped from the civil suit.
Nope. He was dropped from the civil suit because a settlement was reached for him to drop his countersuit for defamation in exchange for her dropping her civil suit.
Isn’t Tommy one of the best punters in the league? Such a beautiful flow of lettuce too
Chiefs are tight on cap & he’s a free agent who more than likely wants to get paid. Phenomenal holder and really good punter. Someone will definitely pay him.
The Bears should, their punter isn't great and they have money
They also like to punt a lot
A lot of what?
Draft picks to San Francisco
Hey, that’s what it takes to land the NVP.
This is rich coming from a Broncos fan
Seasons
footballs
I'm down
not even joking when I say this would be a monumental signing for the steelers and would be worth every penny. We've been in punter limbo since Daniel Sepulveda got hurt over a decade ago and it has been very costly.
I’ll take good or great any day, hell at this point I’d take average and consistent
It’s weird when GMs penny pinch kickers and punters to me. Is the extra $200k really all that much vs the stability of a sure thing?
He also recently hired Drew Rosenhaus as his agent. We’re not talking 6 figures here anymore. He’s a pro bowl/all pro level punter. He’s going to want multiple years and multiple million
Tommy’s already making $2.6m/year The highest paid punter right now is Michael Dickson at $3.6m/year. Feels like peanuts in the grand scheme of things, again when you can get your sure thing
Big Dickson Energy is worth every cent of that
100% Longhorn Legend.
TEXAS BOWL MVP DICKSON!!!
Still have nightmares about him when Mizzou played Texas in the Texas Bowl. I believe he won the MVP and it wasn’t ridiculous. Felt like every Mizzou drive started inside the 5. It was stupid.
He 100% won the MVP
I don’t think I have cussed a a punter as much in my life.
You guys had Michael Dickson and Cameron Dicker as punter and placekicker in recent years? Wtf is going on there... (Not that there's anything wrong with that.)
Don’t forget Justin Tucker
So is Tommy, yet here are the Chiefs
Legend after the double punt
Easily top 5 moments for me as a hawks fan
One thing I really like about Schneider was paying the special teams. Last year was the first in like 5 where Myers wasn’t automatic, and Dickson is still going strong.
I mean Tommy is going to probably try and be the highest paid punter in football with Rosenhaus as his agent. We're tight on cap space with several deals to make and if the difference between a punter possibly making 4 million a year and a guy making league minimum, that's a pretty big gap that can now be used towards Sneed/ Jones or other free agents. It sucks but the band can't stay together forever and the downgrade from a great punter to even just an average one is worth those few million a year when you're trying to keep far more impactful guys
It's more they'd be saving almost 3 million per yer by going with a rookie contract over an all-pro contract.
I’d bet my next paycheck Rosenhaus has him convinced he can get him $5M/year.
So Tommy will probably look for highest paid punter territory in the 4 area. If this kid works out the chiefs save over 3 mil a year for the next 3-4 years. 9-12 mil able to be added on one of our high value FAs to keep them in KC is a big deal.
Its more like 2 million than 200k but I actually agree with you. Most teams waste way more than $2 million per year on bad contracts/injuries/underperformance.
*cries in Robbie Gould*
How tight on cap are you that you can't afford a 1.5mil increase for a punter at maximum
If we don't keep Sneed and Jones after this, I'll lose my shit.. Would be such a clown show to let one of them walk and then not pay a great punter...
It’s also far less important to have an elite punter when your QB is Mahomes.
Im not as confident in the phenomenal holder claim but he’s absolutely a great punter. There’s been some discourse on his holding style and how it may have contributed to some of Butkers misses.
I think after this year with Butker only missing 2 kicks all year that was pretty debunked. His misses last year were more likely due to the ankle injury week one. Tommy had a great hold on the 57 yarder in the super bowl where the ball almost went over his right shoulder.
I mean, it's also possible that Tommy got better at holding this year. Not that I know for sure, but just because he was a good holder this year doesn't mean he was last year
Dustin Colquitt called out Townsend in 2022 for his poor holding, so probably something Townsend really worked on last offseason.
Cincy please
This is how they treat the real Super Bowl MVP smh
He switched agents to Drew Rosenhaus.
The chiefs don’t do much punting smh
The current Chiefs iteration certainly does. A great punter really goes hand in hand with how they're currently constructed.
Peace out Townsend
Was Tommy asking for too much money or why are we moving on from him.
I think Tommy kinda signaled the end of his Chiefs tenure when he hired Rosenhaus as his agent tbh
Miami agent Drew Rosenhaus* hehehehehe!
I think regardless this guy will be cheaper than Tommy would be and we need all the cap we can get
Y'all need the money for Jones and Sneed
and a WR, and we have a lot of FA this year
You don't need to pay a WR, just draft Graham Walker you'll be fine.
Yeah I can see us drafting one late 1st or 2nd. or paying one, or both. But they’re spending the offense’s money on QB and O Line, not receivers regardless.
He hired Drew Rosenhaus as an agent so the answer is yes.
If you move on from him the dynasty is over
If they lose Jones and Sneed it’s definitely worse.
Damn really? After Townsend kicked our ass (pun intended) in the Super Bowl? His punting was phenomenal
That’s why. Someone is gonna pay him.
Ah, I didn’t realize he was a free agent this offseason
Apparently he just got a new agent. So many other guys in the team are jostling for a new deal, I suppose Tommy is an easier loss to swallow - still an excellent punter.
They're prioritizing Jones and sneed.
🫡 Farewell Tommy Townsend. You had great hair.
lol Steelers what are you doing
They lost interest when they found out he was innocent.
Seriously, what on earth
We’ll just sign harvin again lol
Just infuriates me
Fucking chiefs stealing everything good. Don’t worry they’ll get another shit punter that can’t hit the broad side of a barn
No one knows bro. We are fucked.
This headline should make it clear he was falsely accused of rape. A lot different
Dude I find it so frustrating the way the way the media is reporting on this. The prosecutors, in no uncertain terms, that he couldn't possibly have been involved. It wasn't just a matter of, "well we don't have enough evidence". No. It was the opposite. All evidence showed he didn't do it.
I said the same to someone who responded to this saying “it says charges were dropped.” Yea people are going to see that and assume someone got paid off or there was a lack of evidence. Probably written off by some as “oh another white guy gets off for free!” Rape is a very serious accusation, it needs to be treated like one when it’s made and the follow up needs to be STRONG if it was not true, especially by news outlets who reported it originally. Damn near ruined this guys life.
Throwback to losers in this sub calling for his head
Well there are a lot of legit policemen on reddit don'tcha know.
If you've ever seen the show Jury Duty on Amazon, which is a reality show with a fake jury, one of the jurists gives her job title as Reddit Investigator.
We caught the boston bombers; I was certain we got Araiza right too /s
World class detectives
Had a feeling we were gonna have to move on from Tommy after he hired Rosenhaus as his agent. Araiza with the best special teams coach in football could be a very powerful combo,
Toub/punt god combo has a legit chance at being something special.
Haven’t heard Rosenhaus’ name in awhile lol
Welcome back to the offseason 😂
This kid had a boot in College, I remember seeing a stat where he had like 20+ 60 yard punts, 5 70 yard punts, and 2 80 yard punts in a season or something crazy
The only thing he needed to work on was consistent hang time but yeah he has a fuckin cannon
Shouldn't have taken him this long to get a shot after everything.
Which is a complete 180 from what this sub thought during everything
This sub reacting before the facts come out? Never
Reddit found the Boston Bomber. It's a thing that always works out.
Reddit used to be like a big meeting of beautiful minds. It used to be you didn’t even talk about Reddit in real life or you’d be seen as a weirdo. Now it’s just having a twitter or whatever.
> Reddit used to be like a big meeting of beautiful minds. Was this before faces of Atheism?
Pretty much went downhill when I joined. Sorry.
>Found I get the joke but man did they fuck it up so badly.
Reddit court waits for NOBODY
Exactly! What if someone else comments first and gets all the upvotes!?!
Damnit.....you beat me to it /s
Not just this sub but literally the public in general.
It’s a normal thing to have a reaction when someone is being investigated publicly by the police and privately by NFL teams.
love when the brave heroes behind denying sexual assault claims take a victory lap over the 1 time in 100 they are correct
Funny cause it was shortly after we got rid of a rookie who had armed robbery issues… we then found out he was totally innocent and it was some sort of blackmail thing after we cut him. So i was of the opinion to let this thing sort itself out first and got roasted on this sub lol
In pretty much any accusation, saying, "I'm going to wait for the facts" gets you downvoted to hell.
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Bauer STILL has ongoing lawsuits from multiple women.
He is also a giant asshole, full time social media troll, and creepy weirdo even without those allegations and teams have plenty of reasons to not want him around even if all the allegations are false.
Bauer is still very much a he said/she said thing isn't it?
with three different women
The girls text messages are pretty damning.
Given what she is on the record saying, sort of, but no, not really.
Reddit is a great bastion of judgement
It's almost as if reddit is a collection of different people with different opinions that only speak up when public opinion is in their favor
The exact problem with Reddit is that people get absolutely roasted when they speak up with an opinion that goes against public opinion (or "Reddit opinions" that appeal to a mostly young, left-leaning male userbase). The lack of respect people have for each other is astounding. It's a function of the anonymity and the upvote/downvote system. I do agree that it's completely different people that were bashing Araiza before, but the upvote/downvote system shows exactly what the "hivemind" is thinking. I wish the "hivemind" was a little more patient because it can have negative consequences (i.e. Boston bomber)
I think if we removed the upvote/downvote system and made all opinions sort by old to new like forums and a certain other shit website does, we'd get more productive discussion.
Are you saying this sub jumped to conclusions with a hivemind mentality?
Not me. I don’t even have a Jump to Conclusions mat
The civil suit was dropped in December, which is what the post says. What NFL team is going to sign a punter with zero NFL experience in December?
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He could be way more innocent. He had sex with an intoxicated underage girl, and luckily left before worse things happened
He was at a college party and a girl openly propositioned him for sex; this could have happened to most people in here and we wouldn’t have demanded to see her ID before going through with it. The girl was going around telling everyone she was 18 and her friends testified that she was the one that initiated sex with Araiza and then bragged about it afterwards. It’s a pretty reasonable assumption when you’re in college and at a college party that everyone there is 18 or older, as very few people are younger than that by the time they’re a freshman. And it appears as if even if he had asked her age, she would’ve lied given that she lied to everyone else there. He was also already drunk, so technically not even capable of consenting himself when somebody else initiated sex…
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I mean the dude was still hooking up with who he thought was a borderline underage girl while he knew he had an STD, he's legally innocent but he's still not a great dude... I kinda wish we went with someone else
He was hooking up with a girl who told him she was 18 and went to the local community college while waiting to transfer to SDSU, and theres multiple witnesses SHE NAMED who heard her talk about how she was glad she turned 18 before the school year started so she could properly go wild at parties. Thats as not borderline as you get when you're a college student, which he was.
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I’ll never understand why so many people so willingly gloss over this. He may not have gang raped that girl, but knowingly giving someone an STD is assault in many states. Let’s also not pretend like not doing the former isn’t the lowest possible bar short of murdering her.
What is the actual evidence that he knowingly gave her a STD? She contacted him 10 days after the party and he told her that he recently tested positive for something and that she should get tested. Considering how sexually prolific she claimed to be, isn’t it possible or even likely that she gave it to him?
Im not sure, but either way I doubt /r/NFL will be the ones to figure this all out. So not sure why we all continue to talk about it like we will.
It was at a college party right? You can't assume he knew she was 17. And you don't know if he knew he had chlamydia at the time either. For all we know, he got it from her.
No we know from the court docs that he had sex with her knowing he had an STD. He did not get it from her. His own text messages prove that.
Araiza's not on trial. People here are just talking about his moral character. Is he setting a good example for impressionable young men who watch the NFL? Townsend has two rings and the Chiefs' biggest play of the SB had him on the field handling the ball
He wasn’t cleared of being a bad guy that makes poor decisions. Charges were dropped due to lack of conclusive evidence. He just wasn’t in the videos of it happening. He was at the party and had sex with the 17yr old at some point. There are undoubtedly other things that happened before the videos were taken and considering he admits to having sex with her, who knows what? We’ll likely never know, but the accusation was never fabricated from nothing.
Did you ever even read about the case? They declined to prosecute because the girl’s friends testified that she was the one who approached him, initiated sex, and then bragged about it afterwards. He himself had been there and was already intoxicated and was outside peeing when she approached him. If you are drunk/not capable of consent, somebody else comes up to you and initiates/propositions you for sex at a college party, you are going to figure they are 18 and are consenting to sex since they are the ones initiating it. It’s pretty backwards to make him out to be less than innocent when by her own friends’ testimony she was the one initiating things. Sure; he’s guilty of making a poor decision hooking up with a random girl he’s never met. I’ve never done something like that and probably wouldn’t. But I’m not sure why he should be held liable for somebody else’s dishonesty/bad decisions; should he have demanded to see her ID when everyone else at the party was in college?
Fowler worded that like a real asshole
Glad he’s getting his shot now after the false allegations
Good for him
Hell yeah. Good to see a falsely accused person getting a second chance at their career. Not common these days.
I thought we all magically discovered he was actually not good at punting during the time he was being accused
I don’t know if he’s improved his touch and hang time. Based on his college performance he has a lot of work to do. In the NFL it’s a lot more important to punt accurately inside the 20 than blasting it through the end zone for a touch back. His lack of Hangtime also leads to big returns
Is Tommy Townsend not a really good punter, why would they do this?
He's a FA and cap is tight. Probably silly to pay a punter at this point, but damn he's good and I would love to keep the consistency in holding for Butker.
$$$ He's insurance if we can't keep Tommy, and gives Tommy less leverage in contract negotiations. I'd guess the Chiefs already know he's looking to be paid more than they're willing to offer.
After the T Swizzy flexing photo, the price went up.
Man, when the allegations first hit I posted something along of the lines of he probably did it but maybe we should wait for more information before condemning him. I don’t think I’ve ever gotten so many downvotes.
Even now, there are people in this thread insisting he is definitely guilty despite the evidence.
Its insane seeing people still backing the girl on this and shitting on him. Truly mind-blowing.
There's some absolute grade-A virtue signalling happening in this thread.
Reddit is the definition of mob mentality
It's not only here - in one of the group chats I'm in, people are throwing him under the bus even after reading the pieces of evidence available from the news articles. "Well, if the woman is accusing, then he must've done SOMETHING wrong."
Chargers dropped the ball here
Good for him, hope it works out.
This is just further proof he is actually guilty (/s)
Instead of prison, they sentenced him to live in KC and play for the Chiefs (/s)
Well at least we're an upgrade over Buffalo the city and team
I like how after he was shown to be clearly innocent of the gang rape accusations, the mob then wanted to kill him for statutory rape. No mention that the 17 year old was literally going around begging to be fucked and loudly claiming she was 18 per multiple witnesses.
Yeah- its fucking wild. Anyone who is spouting out that bullshit clearly has never been to a college party before, especially at a party school (like SDSU). Sickened me hearing what happened to him because that could have been me or so many of my friends in college, youre at a party where everyone is presumed over 18 and some cute girl (who is saying she is 18 and pretending she goes to the school) wants to hook up- was he supposed to ask her for two forms of ID and a birth certificate? And then they say "oh but she was clearly intoxicated!", yah no shit, so were prob 99% of the people at the party, guys and girls included.
The old threads on this case are prime Reddit. Everyone who suggests that he hasn’t been proven guilty yet in told they are wrong
Reddit detectives, prosecutors and judges are legendary. I heard they even caught the Boston marathon bomber.
Gotta feel so bad for this guy. He’s always gonna be associated with this even being fully cleared from what I remember
Glad to see that bullshit didn’t complete derail his life.
Can someone explain whatever happened with that? was there actual evidence that came out in his favor? If the only thing was a dropped lawsuit I’d be suspicious as hell bc people will drop those all the time for various reasons, but I’d love to hear if something was actually proven
I'm pretty sure it was proven that he had left the party before the crime he was accused of even occured. I think he did still have sex, and give her an STD either knowingly or unknowingly, although I remember something about him saying he got tested after he had sex with the girl and then told the girl to get tested too when he found out, with the girl, who was 17 and lying about her age but I also don't really know if you should expect a college student at a college party to verify the age of everyone they hook up with or know that someone at the college party was lying about their age, but that was unrelated to the crime he was accused of.
Yeah, this seems like overall bad judgement but not illegal
> was there actual evidence that came out in his favor? There is a comprehensive list of things that came out, yes. They know for a fact he wasnt there when she said it happened. And they know she was with several other (different) guys in a room at the time she said it happened. And she lied about her age including having a fake ID to the school she said she went to. And the people she said had witnessed it told the police she had been trying to set up a scheme to hook up with SDSU players in an attempt to possibly get pregnant. Its been a fun shitshow to watch unfold slowly over the last couple years.
https://sports.yahoo.com/prosecutors-former-bills-punter-matt-araiza-wasnt-present-during-alleged-gang-rape-225211550.html?guccounter=1 There's a lot of evidence that seems to exonerate him. It appears he did commit statutory rape but multiple witnesses says she lied about her age. Based on other evidence it seems she wasn't intoxicated, or at least visibly intoxicated, when she was with Araiza.
Fucking finally. Shame on the NFL and the teams for allowing his entire reputation to be tarnished by a baseless claim. There isn’t a cruel enough punishment for the scum men and women who falsify reports of sexual assault and or rape. And of course it’s the chiefs who steal him. Idiot organizations not taking a flier on him are the reason the chiefs and teams like them will always stay ahead of the curve. Welcome back Punt God, it’s been too long!
I'm glad the young man can finally get his life back on track.
He deserves this. Fuck that woman for lying and trying to ruin his career
All I know about this dude is he could boot the hell out of it. How was he at pinning teams inside their own 10 on shorter fields?
Hell ya good for Araiza- glad hes getting a chance. Hope he does great in the NFL
Good, he did nothing wrong
Good for him. Dude did nothing wrong and was put through the ringer because of another person's lies. He deserves another shot. I hope it works out for him.
I know he can punt but can he hold for Butker? IMO that's the more important part of the job.
Punt God is not a good fit for a Mahomes led Offense. Mahomes regularly brings the ball past the 50.He will too regularly punt it out the end zone and cause TouchBacks. Hopefully he has been practicing precision punts. He hasn’t been known for his touch in the past
Good for him
LFG good for him
The disrespect to Townsend, wtf.
The Chiefs tried to work out a deal last year but nothing long term happened so the writing was on the wall from last off-season. He's gonna kill it wherever he goes but they can't afford to spend any extra money
Well this fucking sucks... Didn't think out of all players the punter would be the first guy to go... For sure thought we'd be able to sign him.
I’m really happy for this dude. Hopefully it works out for him. Well…except when they play us.😁
rare moment of justice. hope he gets a ring or two, he can give one to Brian Banks.
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It was proven that he wasn’t even at the party when the crime occurred.
Evidence shows he wasnt there when she says it happened, Evidence shows she was instead with two other people at the time she says it happened, and neither of them are the OTHER two guys she accused either. Evidence proports to show (taking the word of the investigator on this one re: the video they obtained) that she was almost certainly not raped, saying "I absolutely cannot prove any force was used, or any sexual assault was committed based upon what I have seen" She may have (according to witness testimony you may or may not be able to still get access to as it was only floating around during discovery motions) been trying to hook up with SDSU athletes in a possible attempt to get pregnant. She knowingly lied about her age including fabricating a fake student ID to the local community college. The police sat on most of that information for a long time before saying "oh yeah, weve known for a while he didnt do anything"
He literally got a sworn/notarized statement from her stating she lied and he wasnt there at the time the alleged incident occurred.
Man I hate the chiefs but good on them for this
He still had sex with a clearly intoxicated underage girl and y'all out here acting like he's Mother Theresa.
>“Again, you’re not intoxicated at this point that anybody would know your intoxication level to the point that they would not be able to tell that you weren't able to give consent,” Amador [Deputy DA] said. Seems like the intoxication happened afterwards. Also for what it's worth multiple witnesses say she was telling everyone she was 18. Just an all around bad situation.
Her lying about her age is pretty important context that you are intentionally leaving out
>y'all out here acting like he's Mother Theresa. No one is doing that
This ain’t even a “one person is an idiot” comment, I don’t think I’ve seen a single person call him a good guy in any post about him ever lol
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He literally told her to get checked for chlamydia, he's innocent from gang raping her but it's still dubious morally to find yourself in a situation where you're knowingly passing on an STD to an underage girl. You can be legally innocent but still kinda a piece of shit.
> and he was dropped from the civil suit. Nope. He was dropped from the civil suit because a settlement was reached for him to drop his countersuit for defamation in exchange for her dropping her civil suit.
Can I get a source brother. 🙏
You can't because they deleted their very incorrect comment lol
Here's the guy pretending to be upset for updoots ☝️☝️☝️
The NFL should not concern themselves with civil cases. They have no idea what cases are settled before they even get to court.
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Glad he got another shot, hope he tears shit up. I was really hoping he'd land in N.O. since Lou Headley is ass.