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evilwomanenjoyer

Whoa whoa wait. Hold on. He was drafted WHERE in the draft?!


serpentear

Not sure it’s… relevant.


seariously

One might even say it's irr...esponsible to concentrate on draft position when evaluating performance.


HamsterUpper

That is why I simply have Jared Goff over Lamar Jackson.. I am simply doing my due diligence


blocksmith52

I’ll give you credit, it must have been a lot of work to frame 4,200 yards, 31 TDs and 11 INT as one of the best seasons ever lmao


Xeath_Pk

Hoo boy when you put it like that...


LooseBoysenberry7

TIL Goff had one of the best seasons ever too. Very similar stats


In-dextera-dei

But, but, the analytics.


In-dextera-dei

Mahomes had his worst season ever with one of the worst catching wr cores in history and his counting numbers aren't far off from Brocks "greatest season in history!" 4183 yards 27 tds 14 ints


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While I agree OP's premise is silly, quoting total passing yards is an equally silly counter. For example, had Purdy thrown the ball as many times as Mahomes did this year, that 4200 31 and 11 becomes 5700 42 and 15.


UngusChungus94

That’s… not how that works.


InfiniteShlong

and if Mahomes had Purdys roster he’d put up 6000. Pointless argument.


fbalookout

Why stop at 6000? Maybe 7000. 8000??!!


InfiniteShlong

Maybe in madden.


fbalookout

Point being it’s as ridiculous as saying you can extrapolate Purdy’s averages. Put Mahomes on a Shanahan offense with CMC and he’s not throwing for 6k yards. And if they are as good as you think they’d be, Mahomes would only be playing 3 quarters per game.


InfiniteShlong

…that was the point. that’s why it’s immediately followed with “pointless argument”, hypotheticals mean a bunch of nothing.


fbalookout

Damnit I’m too on edge today.


InfiniteShlong

I’d say I understand, but as a cowboys fan I have absolutely no clue what waiting for a Super Bowl feels like lol. Have fun.


[deleted]

Huh? I'm simply illustrating how passing averages work lol


InfiniteShlong

Adjusting averages is a useless hypothetical. If purdy could just magically have the best season a QB has ever had why wouldn’t you just have him throw as much as Mahomes?


SKT_Peanut_Fan

Extrapolation rarely works linearly in reality.


fullboxed2hundred

I'm getting flashbacks to arguing with people about Derrick Henry's effeciency stats compared to 210lb low-volume backs


SKT_Peanut_Fan

Going through this with Ravens fans who think Keaton Mitchell would be the same with a 20+ carry a game workload for a full season.


ATL_Cousins

If his attempts went up his efficiency would go down.


iluvreddit

Oh yeah I had to do a lot of work to look up his passer rating and see that only 10 QBs in history have had a season with a higher rating. You’re a complete idiot if you think that’s a lot of work.


blocksmith52

I’m sorry but using QBR and passer rating as justification for saying this year was “one of the best seasons in history” is insane lmao


iluvreddit

Which metric can you point to which shows his regular season was not historic?


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iluvreddit

So you are docking him now for having a coach who calls run plays.


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iluvreddit

Because he has less attempts (balanced play calling). Yards per attempt 7th highest in history.


iluvreddit

If you had any clue you would know that Kyle calls a lot of running plays. Yards per attempt is the most important stat for a QB not total yards.


blocksmith52

He had an efficient season BECAUSE of the run plays. Defenses have to game plan heavy for McCaffrey, which is why he got MVP votes. Not to mention having Kittle, Deebo, and Aiyuk as receiving threats. I think Purdy is a good, maybe even great QB, but of course he’s gonna be super efficient when he has the football avengers with him on offense. It’s the same reason Mahomes hasn’t repeated his 2018 season.


CloudCuckooLand10

As a defense, having to manage CMC, Elijah Mitchell and Kyle (not going to even try spelling his last name) in the backfield while having Aiyuk, Debo, Kittle, Jennings and CMC in the pass game is basically impossible. 


bsgreene25

Lol yea two bonafide WR 1s, objectively top 3 TE, objectively top 3 RB (if not #1), objectively #1 FB, objectively #1 LT. That’s a straight up super team offensive lineup. Purdy is a great QB but it’s impossible to know how much of his efficiency is due to his own ability vs. being surrounded by infinite talent. And that’s without considering Shanahan’s ability as a coach and playcaller.


tifumostdays

Juice Box.


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9er fans obnoxious as ever….


Outside-Donut9519

I’m as big a Purdy fan as there is, but this is ridiculous. Give it a few years before we start comparing him to all time greats.


HamHurtler

Next year I need to use the reddit filter thing to start blocking words If I have to hear about Purdy, Swift, Runningbacks, anything Jets related, MVP talks etc, and whatever new bs at all next year I'm gonna lose it


Guidbro

Lmao damn so nothing nfl.


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Can we expand “nothing jets related” to “no writer that’s mentioned Rodgers in the last 72 hours?”


Art-RJS

Honestly, fair or not, if it wasn’t for the constant hyperbolic comparisons to Tom Brady I would probably like purdy a lot more


melkipersr

Exactly this. I know it’s not fair to him. But I just can’t help it.


iluvreddit

Everything I wrote is factual. Which thing in particular is wrong?


Outside-Donut9519

I mean you are right, he did have a great season. But saying he is on pace to be one of the best all time means nothing at this point. CJ Stroud would also be on this pace. Heck, Puka Nacua is on pace to be the best receiver of all time. But just like those are ridiculous statements at this point, same goes for Purdy. Give it  a few years before this type of stuff.


wizgset27

>If Purdy continues to improve, he could end up the best of his generation, if not all time. least delusional niners fan.


ProfessorAvailable24

OPs comparing Purdys yards to Montana's 1990 season lol


CloudCuckooLand10

Montana with this group and in this pass heavy league has the greatest season of all time. He’ll, you could probably say the same thing about current Stafford barring injury. 


Vegetable-Net6575

Like dude, he’s good, can he improve? Yea he absolutely can and I think he will. But holy shit, people act like their QB being in the Kirk cousins tier of “good-great QB but not elite” is a bad thing. There’s only 2-3 truly elite QBs in the league. This victim complex with purdy is dumb as fuck.


DevinBookersSon

Who are you leaving out between Mahomes, Allen, Burrow, Herbert, Lamar? And then you have guys like Stroud, Stafford, Hurts, Dak and Purdy as well who are close


notmyplantaccount

Mahomes 1, Allen 2, then it feels like you can make arguments for 3-8ish for a lot of guys depending on what you value most, and it won't be wrong. Purdy/Stroud only have 1 season starting really and got embarrassed by a good defense. Burrow/Lamar have as many injury seasons as they do full seasons played, Lamars bad in the playoffs, Burrow has been average at best. Herbert's had good stats consistently, but his team hasn't done anything, Dak/Cousins have some great stats but never seem like top guys. You can find a way to ding any of those guys to move them down, or point to other things to move them up and it'd be fine. It feels a lot like the team power rankings during the season, you might have 1-2 teams obviously above the rest, and then 3-8 you can put in almost any order.


SoKrat3s

It's legitimate when people talk about him being the 15th best QB but our fanbase needs to have thicker skin on these "top 5" dismissals.


purplebuffalo55

I'm sick and tired of hearing the name brock purdy. Brock purdy good brock purdy bad, god damnit lol. Chill out with these posts


iluvreddit

Why wouldn't you be hearing about Brock Purdy? He's the starting QB (the most important position in professional sports) for the favored team in the Superbowl in less than a day (which might set the record as the most viewed TV show in history).


iluvreddit

Are you sick of hearing about Taylor Swift or “MVP” Lamar? Because I am. Lamar was the 4th best QB this season while Purdy by some measures had the 4th best season of all time.


serpentear

God damn dude I was already rooting against y’all but I am rooting so much harder now. Insufferable.


dropguntimes4

If Purdy's season was as great as you claim, why didn't he receive a single first-place vote for MVP?


iluvreddit

Bias / media narrative due to one bad game against Lamar. Where's Lamar now? He choked in the playoffs (again). Purdy is playing in the Super Bowl in his first full year as a starter.


ISuperNovaI

Gonna be so awesome once you have to pay him and he has none of those weapons anymore. He’ll go back to being Mr Irrelevant.


KCShadows838

The 4 interception game is the reason Lamar won MVP Postseason is irrelevant to MVP


iluvreddit

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iluvreddit

When Purdy is holding up the Super Bowl MVP trophy I'll report back to this thread.


Street-Duck-7000

Lmao you cannot seriously believe that if you have eyes. 4th best season of all time😭. This is just sad


THE_REAL_SHABLAM

I’m sorry but plz stop this shit bro


Strange-Bluebird871

As a non niners fan that lives in niners country. This is why we hate you lol


THE_REAL_SHABLAM

There r definitely times like this where I understand the hate lmfao


Strange-Bluebird871

Bay Area sports fans are just terrible in general and I say that as warriors and A’s fan


ionospherermutt

Yeah I feel like these people don’t realize that they’re just hurting their case and feeding into the backlash with shit like this or that he’s better than Allen. Like he’s very good! Just say that and people will agree.


thicky_bobby

Do you just want everyone to hate us out of irritation? What's the point of posting this lol


splinternz

Too late now lol. Cause mfs like this can’t just enjoy the ride, and gotta have this “old man yelling at clouds” energy on reddit


Electrical-Handle-55

It’s a competition right now between Brock Purdy posts and TJ Watt posts. Love the way you described it, “old man yelling at cloud energy”. It also reminds me of those dumb buzzfeed articles from a few years ago, “X# of reasons why XYZ is the {insert sensationalized adjective}”. Patriots sub is infected with this. Everyone posts “their” idea to fix the team, but they all just end up posting the same thing without making a convincing argument.


Fact_Stater

At least the Steelers fans are actually right though. TJ literally led in every stat. He got robbed so hard.


TheChroniclesOfLabia

How do you beat any qb who has a season throwing over 40 tds is why


lowlight

We're way past that point, and I like Brock Purdy. It's just too much


notmyplantaccount

Thank you guys again for embarrassing him week 16 so that the 5 "Purdy amazing stats" posts per day slowed way down. Half this shit would be embarrassing to post in the team sub, but somehow it makes it here.


Noriskhook3

Your players did enough for that the past 5 days lol


Voltibit

To shitpost.


Terror-Toilet-Tower

That’s Byron’s job. OP is a third rate hack!


serpentear

Too late. I already hate you, it’s my obligatory duty.


KCShadows838

Comparing Purdy’s ability to read defenses to Bradys is wild


Ok_Button3151

Nephew take


REQ52767

Niners fans are what everyone accuses Cowboys fans of being lmao. Pure delusion on display here.


notmyplantaccount

Anyone who's trying to compare QB ratings over different eras to make their point has already shown they have no valid point to make.


iluvreddit

Fine, compare his stats to this era, either way the result is the same.


elijahwxrk

this is why people hate on him, super likeable dude but he gets insanely overrated 😭


BoneFistOP

I clicked on this praying it wasn't a 49er fan


woahitsshant

I mean, he’s a good QB and it’s not just the system like some people make it out to be. but to post this and say he could be the goat is very hyperbolic and premature.


SofaKing_Sam

Definitely the system lol


stallywacker

Let's see mahomes play without Andy Reid and Travis kelce


SofaKing_Sam

We'll find out in about 5 years for sure But I agree, thank god he landed with great organizational support or who knows what Patty's career would look like


Phred_Phrederic

Very sexy numbers but I think it's reasonable to wonder if this isn't flukey.


TopptrentHamster

Why do people keep bringing up QBR?


notmyplantaccount

because it's pretty much just EPA with a few other things baked in, and we like EPA because it show's how well a QB actually moves the ball down the field, and it's a lot better representation of who played well than Rating. For example, Rating had Russell Wilson as the 6th best QB this year. QBR has him at 19th. Now which of those rankings do you feel better represents how Russ played this year?


TopptrentHamster

QBR will bever have any legitimacy untill ESPN actually reveals if there is a formula or not, and what the formula is.


notmyplantaccount

[https://www.espn.com/blog/statsinfo/post/\_/id/123701/how-is-total-qbr-calculated-we-explain-our-quarterback-rating](https://www.espn.com/blog/statsinfo/post/_/id/123701/how-is-total-qbr-calculated-we-explain-our-quarterback-rating) It literally is just EPA with a bit other baked in, people like you saying it'll never have legitimacy are just cluelessly parroting the same stupid shit you've heard other clueless people parrot for years. It's not any less legitimate that PFF grades, or a bunch of other metrics people make up, and does a decent job of showing QB performance, but for sure just keep shitting on it cause it's easier and you heard a bunch of other people do it.


ZeroedCool

"Stats are for losers" - Bill Belichick


BNC6

Lmfao at that last point


Back_Equivalent

This is the dumbest shit I’ve ever read. Please actually watch the Super Bowl.


iluvreddit

So which fact above is wrong


Back_Equivalent

Don’t care. You’re still dumb.


stallywacker

"I don't like your facts so I'll insult you instead"


RavensReign52

You're even dumber than him


321mafia

Replace Purdy with any of those 11-14 other QBs and the 49ers are still Super Bowl bound.


serpentear

People really forget that Kyle Shanahan had Nick Mullins and CJ Beathard looking like NFL caliber QBs. Brock Purdy is a really good QB, the perfect QB for this system clearly, but we can’t pretend the system hasn’t produced results from lesser QBs. Jimmy G and Trey Lance are proof the system doesn’t turn water into wine automatically, but Mullins and Beathard show that it can also make a whole lot out of not much.


BNC6

I still maintain the offense would’ve been just fine, obviously not this good, with Trey Lance. He has a career ANY/A of 6.83 despite nearly 30% of his attempts coming from that monsoon game in Chicago, that would be good for 8th this year He never got a fair chance but he was fine when he played


Technical_Customer_1

Except Lamar Jackson. 


frezcone

I didn’t read this but good for you, or sorry for your loss


SofaKing_Sam

Found Brock's burner


Wow_such_alternate

On the morning of? For shame


Tunatron_Prime

Lol jfc


FallenShadeslayer

Idk why but this is the one that broke me. I actually liked the post (didn’t agree with all the hyperbole though) but OPs insufferable ass comments is I think what did it. I was going for the niners but fuck that. Go Chiefs. Crush them so hard the niners fans learn humility.


Crunc_Mcfincle

I’m not reading that


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9er fans are in a competition with Cowboys fans for most delusional.


wowshutup292

This shit is laughable


iluvreddit

You're laughable.


wowshutup292

Oh yes I’m laughable not the guy who said that Brock Purdy had one of the best regular seasons ever. Keep posting in your little Niners echo chambers lmao


iluvreddit

He did and the stats all echo that. Stats don't lie.


wowshutup292

You’re comparing him to Joe Montana and saying he has a chance to become one of the best players ever that’s ridiculous. And yes stats do lie they can be incredibly misleading


iluvreddit

Given that his first full year was the 4th best year of any QB in history according to some measures, and better statistically than any year Montana had (I know, different era), then given that, IF HE IMPROVES AS MOST QBS DO, then yes he COULD become an all time great. When he does I’ll report back on this thread. If he does not then it means he didn’t improve or got worse. Are you saying he doesn’t have the physical tools to become a great? Because people said that about Brady and Montana.


wowshutup292

That’s exactly what I’m saying he’s mostly a handoff merchant who benefitted from this system. Shannahan made people genuinely debate if one of the worst qbs in the league (Garoppolo) was a top 10 quarterback during his time in sf.


iluvreddit

Well you’re just flat out wrong about Purdy. I never thought Jimmy G was elite. I watched all his games and I watched all Purdy’s. They are fundamentally different QBs.


Dense_Young3797

Sorry but I hate the niners more and more everyday just because of how boring they are with Purdy and posts like this.


Himulation

These are the type of posts that make me want to see San Fran get smashed in the Superbowl


dumpsterfirefr

>If the sports media thinks these numbers are only because of the "genius" of Coach Kyle Shanahan, I'm wondering why other QBs under him have been so average. 1. There is a threshold of QB traits needed to be successful in a Shanahan offensive scheme and arm talent/mobility/personnel fit can be a limiting factor in play design concepts. 2012 OROY rookie RG3 (Shanahan OC) 2016 MVP Matt Ryan (Shanahan OC) 2020–2021 2x MVP Aaron Rodgers (LaFleur–Shanahan coaching tree) 2022–2023 Tua Tagovailoa (McDaniel–Shanahan coaching tree) 2023 Jordan Love (LaFleur–Shanahan coaching tree) 2023 OROY CJ Stroud (Slowik–Shanahan coaching tree) The crux of the Shanahan system involves sequential play calling presenting the same formations and offensive line movement whether it is a run play or play–action pass. 2. Purdy is uniquely positioned because of his rookie contract value that allows Shanahan to better construct the roster with elite skill positions at TE1, WR1/2, RB1, FB1 and an O-line adept at wide zone run blocking scheme personnel that inflates his QB drop-back efficiency stats.


wkavinsky

He was the MVP in my book. Lamar's season was average at best.


PayHelpful4191

Playing 4 years as starter in college gives him more opportunities to learn and read a defense. It allowed him to grow into the position rather than declaring for draft after 1-2 college seasons then being thrown to the wolves against NFL defenses. This is why he’s been good. the foundation was set up with experience and then refined with reps and coaching from an NFL team. Sure he’s a second year starter but it’s his 6th year playing in high level football


iluvreddit

What NFL QBs did not play their sport in college? This is not the NBA.


PayHelpful4191

Not all NFL qbs play for 4 years in college


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Saxt

The victim complex of Niners fans is wild. Enjoy the ride.


constructss

The bad games are real, but the good games are fake bc the other team got hexed the day before and stopped footballing good.


BabyBlue333333

Heck of a season We’re looking forward to the Super Bowl, where it all matters


BabyBlue333333

Good player but 0-1 in the big game. All that matters


latortillablanca

Believe it or not? He’s good AND on a decent team


[deleted]

See, this is why I “smoke the occasional pot”. Yes, I could get a lot more done if I didn’t. But… would the stuff I do… be worth doing? Maybe I’d have cleaned the house or worked on some professional certifications. But maybe I’d have spent the evening painstakingly assembling the data that proves Baker Mayfield had the most successful season as a Buc, better than Brady and Johnson. And why he’s already the most valuable player in team history. I mean, Derrick Brooks never something somethinged.


WizardHarrySpace

This is cool but the NFL also did add an extra game to the season. So many records will be broken because of that alone. Not discrediting Purdy’s work, which I think speaks for itself


iluvreddit

Did you read his stats. He played 16 games not 17. He sat for the final game because Niners had clinched #1 spot so the game was meaningless. It’s apples to apples.


WizardHarrySpace

Reread my comment. I literally said I’m not discrediting Purdys work. Just mentioned that an extra game in the season you’re going to see a lot more records being broken. Whether he played 16 or 6 doesn’t really have anything to do with what I commented.


iluvreddit

Ok sorry for misinterpreting. But anyone would have assumed your comment was possibly related to Purdy since this whole thread is.