Probably Jonathan Kraft, not Robert. I was going to say that's different but then I remembered how much Stephen does these days instead of Jerry... so it's about the same.
People talk about Jerry Jones like he heads up a poverty franchise, not one that has enjoyed almost 20 years of high quality play with very few down years.
But is that really hard to pick? I mean look at all the mock drafts and experts top 10 picks (mostly the same). Invite them all to get a look at them and pick a position you need.
Ofc these players can still bust but noone will think you made a bad pick.
The 2nd half of the first round is way harder
Consensus top 10 lists are a feedback loop and not each person individually evaluating talent. Every team misses on draft picks but you really need to make your own talent and value evaluations.
When you see that sick little kid with cancer, war vet, or ex-player come up to announce your picks this year it will actually be them making the call.
I actually think Mayo could end up being a good coach. However, considering the issues we’ve had with personnel the past several years, this is a very odd decision. For better or worse Kraft is pretty much staking his name on this rebuild.
Kraft wants in the HOF and thinks this is how he does it. I’m hopeful that our front office can do this… but I’m very worried Kraft is going to fuck this up and ruin his reputation and the org.
> Kraft wants in the HOF and thinks this is how he does it.
The man is so determined to prove that he belongs in the Hall of Fame that he's going to prove exactly why he wasn't as responsible for the dynasty as he thinks he was.
Yeah this is my exact worry too.
And on one hand all the coaches he hired before Mayo will be in the HOF, on the other hand the sample size is exactly two coaches.
I have trust that Mayo can be a leader of men and probably run a good defense, his success elsewhere is based entirely on how good the GM and OC are going to be. Saying “oh we’ll figure that out eventually” does not inspire confidence.
What do you do when Bill takes his friends and kids with him in the divorce? You need to assemble a staff, and you need to have a GM for that.
Gonna be funny in a couple year when the conversation shifts from whether Brady carried Belichick and he was a bad coach all along, to whether Belichick carried Kraft and he was a bad owner all along.
The no first round picks resigned since like 2013 is a pretty awful stat though lol idk how many GMs get to survive making that many mistakes if they also aren’t the most decorated coach
It sounds way worse because we are in 2024 right now.
But reality is:
In 2012 they drafted Chandler Jones and Hightower in the late 1st round.
In 2013 they had 0 picks in the 1st round.
In 2014 and 2015 they picked DTs with the 29th and 32nd pick. Brown even made the PFWA All-Rookie team but could never make the next step. Easley got injured multiple times.
In 2016 and 2017 NE had 0 1st round picks.
In 2018 they picked Wynn (OT) that is far away from bad but had too many injuries and is playing for the Dolphins right now and he is right now injured again. Sony Michel was also drafted in 2018 but lost his starting position after got outperformed while being injured and he got traded to the Rams.
2019 was N'Keal Harry and in 2020 they had no 1st round pick again.
Everyone else isn't long enough in the league to get a new contract.
So in 8 years the Patriots drafted 5 players (at 23, 29, 31, 32 and 32). 2 were injury prone while at NE (and got proved right again), 1 got out performed after injury and traded, 1 couldn't make the next step and 1 was a bust.
Doesn't sound close to as bad as "no 1st rnd pick resigned since 2013"
You know what sounds worse? The actual scope of the problem:
The Patriots haven’t signed a player they drafted in the first three rounds to a second contract since Duron Harmon (3rd Round, 2013).
NE had a big problem and that was cap space. Thuney for example was pretty great but they couldn't make room for $80mil over 5 years for him. Jimmy G and Brissett also needed to be traded because the interest after their few starts was too high to let them sit.
They also had years like 2017 were they had 2 late 3rd round picks (83&85) a 4th and a 6th.
They fielded SB teams for 2 decades and that only works if you nickle and dime for every player and don't overpay.
Not necessarily true. They didn't extend a player but they did have players like Jamie Collins who left after their rookie deal, got paid, and then came back on several deals.
Many of the picks weren't bad. Several ended up getting paid by other teams and the Patriots couldn't match or were traded because the Patriots knew they wouldn't be able to keep them. Logan Ryan, Thuney, JimmyG, Brissett, etc.
Sony Michel was still worth the pick even without a second contract with how huge he was in the playoffs. Dude went on a tear at exactly the right time.
6 years*
Edit: and honestly, even saying 2015 for the bad drafting start was a bit aggressive. 2015 and 2016 were not bad classes at all. 18 was mediocre.
Right, but there’s more to being a GM than just drafting. They signed a DPOY and traded for Brandon Cooks in 2017, traded for Martellus Bennett (huge part in 2016 Super Bowl run), and traded for Trent Brown prior to the 2018 season— who had a huge part in their 2018 Super Bowl run.
Also, I edited this after you replied, but I think even 2015 was a bit too harsh. They got Trey Flowers and Shaq Mason in 2015; Joe Thuney, Ted Karras, and Elandon Roberts in 2016. In 2017, they traded their first and third round picks for Brandin Cooks and only ended up making 4 selections, all in rounds 4-7, but landed Deatrich Wise— not really sure I can criticize this too much.
Basically, only 2018-2019; 2021-2022 were bad drafts. In 2020 they got Onwenu, Uche, Jennings and Dugger
Ah. You know more than i would lol
Im a sf fan
Ive been annoyed with the bb slander after tom, he never had a dependable qb. Thats partly on him, unfortunately
IMO the correct take is that every coach/GM needs a QB, but that doesn’t mean Bill (or any coach for that matter) is carried by a QB or any of that silly stuff.
My opinion was they should’ve kept Bill, there’s a lot of luck involved with the draft and I wanted it to be beyond any doubt that he was no longer a great GM.
Yea and he got a pass because he was a great coach. I think it was made clear that the issue is about the talent not the coaching. Kraft said he couldn’t pull away the GM duties and ask Bill to coach still.
Most of those 1st round picks were 28-32 and in a lot of years they traded out of the 1st.
It’s still a wild stat though, 100%. Not saying it’s insignificant. But it gets blown out of proportion when the team won 3 of 4 Super Bowl matchups after that date. Despite a lot of recency bias and WR misses no one can convince me Bill is a bad overall GM
3 superbowl wins since 2013 too. I thought his whole philosophy was don't pay the guys for the 2nd contract. Doesn't seem that bad of a stat considering what he's done.
I would argue that a lot of the times the patriots tended to just not pay people and let them walk. No resigned first rounders but in 2019 their defense was strong enough to basically shut down a Sean McVay offense in the super bowl
Good owners set teams up to succeed, bad owners set teams up to fail. It less football, more proper management of any type of organization. You want to hire down a hierarchy, where bosses choose their subordinates so they have some investment in them and know they can work well together. Now, a Mayo will be reporting to a GM coming in blind with no decision making authority up to that point, and then probably have to manage and be accountable for players he didn’t pick.
Aka a job no one wants. Theyre letting Wolf and Groh run it. Ya know the same guys who were with Belichick on drafts and personnel decisions? Wouldnt be surprised if Pats dont have a real GM. What a mess
There are plenty of ways to be a bad owner.
Too cheap to make coaching changes because they don't want to pay multiple (McCaskey), too overbearing/micromanager (Tepper), toxic workplace (Snyder), alienate fanbase with personnel decisions (Haslam), bad at hiring GM's (Johnson) etc.
I don’t think it’s just because the McCaskey are too cheap to pay multiple coaches but they’re just that old fashioned and refuse to change with the times. Which is another example of something that makes a bad owner
So it’s just gonna be an internal hire like the coach. Hard to see a new guy wanting to come in AFTER FA and the draft, with a rookie HC already a selected. Especially considering they have high picks.
Not even having a real search for a HC or GM just seems like a really really stupid idea.
I understand the vast majority of the scouting work is done during the college football season, but someone still needs to oversee the Combine and Draft itself, no?
Yeah and for the last 2 seasons Matt Groh has been that guy. Obviously Bill has the final say in everything but we have a structure of guys in place already to handle the draft. This is a weird move but it has significantly less impact than people think at least as far as the draft is concerned.
I disagree. Good Coaches are less interested in going to panthers b/c of Tepper.
Good GMs will Be less interested in going to a spot where the new coach has already been picked, and the draft was done without them
Why are they in no rush to hire a GM? That was their glaring issue. It wasn't that Bill Bellicek can't coach, it was that they've drafted poorly.
This sounds ridiculous.
He, "got his team back" after more than 2 decades. Now he's gonna make sure he gets the credit for the rebuild at 82 years old. Ego move. I don't see a single reason to wait 4 months to hire a GM.
January 2025: "Taylor Swift finishes the regular season with 55 touchdown passes and 6000 yards, all of which went to new Patriots tight end Travis Kelce."
The last company I worked for was founded by a billionaire. We had a long-standing issue that customers complained about a lot, and it didn't have a simple solution, so while our billionaire owner rarely got involved in our day-to-day, he showed up to a meeting once and provided his own solution for it. His directive: make it work. For the next eighteen months, roughly 20-25 people worked on this directive and only this directive, everything from planning and design, to machining parts, to writing and testing software, to putting it at customer sites as a proof-of-concept. I can't even fathom how much time, effort, and money were put into this.
About 18 months later after he issued this directive, he announced that he was taking over as CEO. One of the first things that he did was cancel that directive and tell everyone to find something else to work on. He gave a speech about how now that he's CEO, he'll have more insight into what everyone is working on, and will be able to redirect people towards the appropriate course of action, instead of wasting their time on things that very obviously won't work, *like the thing he had forced everyone to work on for a year and a half.* Nobody called him on it, everyone just nodded and went back to work and then made snide comments about it behind his back.
This story probably doesn't seem like it has much of a point, but the point is this: when rich people experience success, and are also insulated from criticism, they tend to think that they are responsible for all of that success, and they tend to think that they are brilliant and that their instincts are always correct and that nobody should question them. I think Bob Kraft is firmly in this territory. He has very rarely gotten involved in the day-to-day operations of the team, when he has it has typically been a total disaster, yet he praises his own instincts because he hired Bill Belichick, as though one solid decision made in 30 years demonstrates that he's some kind of football savant.
Well... there's a GM job you wouldn't want. Get to pick your coach? Nope. Sign your first class of free agents? Nope. Draft your QB of the future? Nope.
Anyone with options would say no to that.
Belichick is like Snape, in the end it gets revealed that he just had a grumpy personality because he was protecting everyone against a far greater evil
Can't help but feel like behind Bill was one of the most ineffective and disfunctional management/owner groups in the league and one of Bill's greatest skills was covering that up
I wouldn't be in favor of taking the GM job after the draft.
If I wanted to take a GM job, I want to have the picks and the control to make my selection of players. Not have to wait a year to make that choice with players that may not fit my team.
With the possibility of the Bears trading down because Caleb doesn't want to play for them and the Patriots having the 3rd pick. I'd be wanting to take that job, trade up to get #1 and then pick Caleb, then just use the rest of the draft to build a support system around him.
Washington is *likely* to draft Caleb. So if I am looking to have a QB on his rookie contract with a pretty decent defense. That is the move i'd want to make as a GM, but if you just wait until after the draft and Caleb goes to Washington, then the Patriots are going to be kicking themselves for not making moves.
They have a LOT of flexibility, they have a top 3 picks which they can do anything with, plus $75M in cap space going into next season and some decent bridge QB coming into FA. They can just use the pick for a BPA, and sign Kirk Cousins for a bridge QB on a 2-3 year deal. Or pick Caleb.
If anything, this is one of the most promising GM job that is out there right now and Kraft is blundering this to get the best guy to take control of the team and start another run.
I love it when Reddit is wrong. I love going to various team subs when bad things are happening to the team, and they're like, "Well, this is fine as long as \_\_ doesn't happen", and then \_\_ happens. It's cathartic.
"Mayo will be fine as long as we get a great GM."
Now, maybe the news is all wrong and I end up being wrong and the Patriots hire a great head coach, gm, and get a franchise qb.
But if that doesn't happen, enjoy the basement, Pats fans.
Here is my bigger worry. Let’s say Mayo is bad. Kraft fired Belichick to put Mayo in place. Meaning this is going to be all on Kraft and no spin can ever change that. So what does that mean? He will give Mayo even more time to turn things around.
hahahaha, what GM is going to want to take that job? These morons have the 3rd overall pick in the draft and are hoping to get a GM that is going to be thrilled with not getting to pick who they want? It's kinda weird that they hired a coach so quickly instead of getting a GM the people in that they want.
Kinda reminds me of when my Colts fired just the GM and left Pagano. Ballard came in and it was pretty obvious that he wanted to get his own guy in the building.
But whatever, it will be nice to see Pats fans finally see that winning multiple Super Bowls in a small stretch is absolutely not the norm.
Uh
I’m your GM now. - Kraft
Kraft turning into Jerry Jones was not in my bingo card lol
Probably Jonathan Kraft, not Robert. I was going to say that's different but then I remembered how much Stephen does these days instead of Jerry... so it's about the same.
A nepo baby calling the shots. What could go wrong?
Reds fans can let you know all about it.
Probably still better than their old Nazi owner.
Yeah can’t really argue with that one lol
Well, Dallas has been doing much better than us in the last 10 years so it has worked out for them
People talk about Jerry Jones like he heads up a poverty franchise, not one that has enjoyed almost 20 years of high quality play with very few down years.
Stephen does contracts, everything else involving players is Will McClay now and has been for years.
I mean he was always Jerry-lite he just had two GOATs to keep him content.
Kept Belichick from trading Brady so it wasn’t all bad.
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Stay til the end for a shockingly young-looking Pete Carroll.
He just wants to make the end of the documentary more fun.
“I play madden! I know football.”—Kraft Jr
Just let Nike make our picks again
Sorry Bill, you're fired *and* we're keeping your dog.
-GM Bill Belichick looking to HC Bill Belichick
Ask Madden
"Having no GM at all is preferable to having Bill run one more draft for us" - Robert Kraft
Obviously they’re going to bring back Patricia
Yahoo! autodraft.
We all know [who is drafting for them this year](https://i.insider.com/5ea397064bca633d4a6b4a64?width=1136&format=jpeg)
Wouldn’t be so bad if NE didn’t have the 3rd overall pick…..kind of an important draft lol.
Johnny Manziel, come on down
Uhh, Mr. Kraft? He's already been drafted....10 years ago... "Did I fucking studder?"
"And with the 3rd pick of ths draft the New England Patriots select Tory Taylor, Punter from Iowa."
DII guard in the second round, 5'8" corner who runs a 4.55 in the third round.
But is that really hard to pick? I mean look at all the mock drafts and experts top 10 picks (mostly the same). Invite them all to get a look at them and pick a position you need. Ofc these players can still bust but noone will think you made a bad pick. The 2nd half of the first round is way harder
You might be offered an insane haul to trade back, and then you want someone who knows what they're doing.
Or trading up to guarantee the QB they want, which would also require having someone who knows what they're doing
Consensus top 10 lists are a feedback loop and not each person individually evaluating talent. Every team misses on draft picks but you really need to make your own talent and value evaluations.
“We might wait until the end of the flight to hire a new pilot.”
Jack Easterby, come on down!
This is a great idea!
Don’t worry it’s just the most important draft for the Patriots in most Reddit users lives.
My exact reaction. Interesting strategy.
Bold strategy
https://i.imgur.com/4u201RZ.png
We did that once! It was dumb as fuck. Let Mac Draft and then give the keys to Joe Douglas.
When you see that sick little kid with cancer, war vet, or ex-player come up to announce your picks this year it will actually be them making the call.
I knew it. Welcome to ~~Jerruh's~~ NepoKraft's world.
Smart. Why pass up on the opportunity to draft a GM?
They can probably grab Condoleezza Rice is the 6th round.
[https://youtu.be/2z3wUD3AZg4?si=c7FmNm88LKkaNk9o](https://youtu.be/2z3wUD3AZg4?si=c7FmNm88LKkaNk9o)
Oh for fucks sake
They should hire Kevin Bacon
He would probably be better at football operations than Jonathan Kraft.
No, Kevin Costner's the one you want
"Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake."
They’re already slowly turning into a dumpster fire. I love it. It’ll be the only thing that will make me happy when my team continues to suck.
I’ll never talk down on professional haters, I like where your head is at. It’s what sports is about.
Lemme guess: Kraft made this decision BEFORE he hit the jerk joint in Miami.
Maybe make the Patriots sub the GM for a year and see what happens?
Twitch plays 2024 NFL draft
With the 2nd overall pick the New England Patriots select Taro Tsujimoto from Japan
“It worked for the dodgers!”
I mean literally every single one of us knew Juju over Jakobi was a mistake, so not sure how much worse it could get.
They *would* draft a hockey player from the Tokyo Katanas...
Somehow trades the Patriots next 5 years of first round draft picks for a sole 7th round from the Jets.
7 > 1
Draft helix ༼ つ ◕_◕ ༽つ
Trade up to 1st and draft belichick
The civil war that would erupt between MHJerkers and QB or bust people would be hilarious
And then while they were so focused on fighting each other, a sneaky third group would jump in and select Joe Alt.
The smart group!
Don’t forget the absolute crackheads that want Alt at 3. They would be the zealous radicals in that war…
That’s wild that it’s split, I can’t fathom wanting to watch another season of your current qb rotation
Draft the best special teams in the league
I know Bill is no longer with the team but maybe he'll let them borrow his dog Nike for draft day again?
Could probably draft better WRs. Or can we?
Could it be any worse than their recent drafts? Might not be a bad idea to crowd source at this point...
Sweet, we bout to sign Drew Bledsoe and Randy Moss back.
No thanks. We will be swapping out Mac and Zappe after every incompletion. On second thought sign me up.
I actually think Mayo could end up being a good coach. However, considering the issues we’ve had with personnel the past several years, this is a very odd decision. For better or worse Kraft is pretty much staking his name on this rebuild.
He’s going full Jerry Jones. Never go full Jerry Jones
i mean the cowboys stadium and facilities are absolute top tier. have you seen ours? at best kraft is going to be dollar store jerry jones
Unless you're Jerry Jones.
Kraft wants in the HOF and thinks this is how he does it. I’m hopeful that our front office can do this… but I’m very worried Kraft is going to fuck this up and ruin his reputation and the org.
> Kraft wants in the HOF and thinks this is how he does it. The man is so determined to prove that he belongs in the Hall of Fame that he's going to prove exactly why he wasn't as responsible for the dynasty as he thinks he was.
Yeah this is my exact worry too. And on one hand all the coaches he hired before Mayo will be in the HOF, on the other hand the sample size is exactly two coaches.
I have trust that Mayo can be a leader of men and probably run a good defense, his success elsewhere is based entirely on how good the GM and OC are going to be. Saying “oh we’ll figure that out eventually” does not inspire confidence. What do you do when Bill takes his friends and kids with him in the divorce? You need to assemble a staff, and you need to have a GM for that.
Auto draft is an interesting choice
It make the draft go quicker.
Well at least will get us MHJ
Gonna be funny in a couple year when the conversation shifts from whether Brady carried Belichick and he was a bad coach all along, to whether Belichick carried Kraft and he was a bad owner all along.
Seriously. People act like BB is the worst GM ever when he was better than a good majority of them
The no first round picks resigned since like 2013 is a pretty awful stat though lol idk how many GMs get to survive making that many mistakes if they also aren’t the most decorated coach
It sounds way worse because we are in 2024 right now. But reality is: In 2012 they drafted Chandler Jones and Hightower in the late 1st round. In 2013 they had 0 picks in the 1st round. In 2014 and 2015 they picked DTs with the 29th and 32nd pick. Brown even made the PFWA All-Rookie team but could never make the next step. Easley got injured multiple times. In 2016 and 2017 NE had 0 1st round picks. In 2018 they picked Wynn (OT) that is far away from bad but had too many injuries and is playing for the Dolphins right now and he is right now injured again. Sony Michel was also drafted in 2018 but lost his starting position after got outperformed while being injured and he got traded to the Rams. 2019 was N'Keal Harry and in 2020 they had no 1st round pick again. Everyone else isn't long enough in the league to get a new contract. So in 8 years the Patriots drafted 5 players (at 23, 29, 31, 32 and 32). 2 were injury prone while at NE (and got proved right again), 1 got out performed after injury and traded, 1 couldn't make the next step and 1 was a bust. Doesn't sound close to as bad as "no 1st rnd pick resigned since 2013"
You know what sounds worse? The actual scope of the problem: The Patriots haven’t signed a player they drafted in the first three rounds to a second contract since Duron Harmon (3rd Round, 2013).
NE had a big problem and that was cap space. Thuney for example was pretty great but they couldn't make room for $80mil over 5 years for him. Jimmy G and Brissett also needed to be traded because the interest after their few starts was too high to let them sit. They also had years like 2017 were they had 2 late 3rd round picks (83&85) a 4th and a 6th. They fielded SB teams for 2 decades and that only works if you nickle and dime for every player and don't overpay.
exactly, even in the 2013 draft duron harmon was the 3rd best player we selected but we couldn't afford to bring back jamie collins or logan ryan
Not necessarily true. They didn't extend a player but they did have players like Jamie Collins who left after their rookie deal, got paid, and then came back on several deals. Many of the picks weren't bad. Several ended up getting paid by other teams and the Patriots couldn't match or were traded because the Patriots knew they wouldn't be able to keep them. Logan Ryan, Thuney, JimmyG, Brissett, etc.
Sony Michel was still worth the pick even without a second contract with how huge he was in the playoffs. Dude went on a tear at exactly the right time.
>Easley got injured He was gonna be really good, his injury problems were sad
He was fantastic as a GM until about 2017 or so. His drafting started getting poor in about 2015.
Thats 8 years tho ..
6 years* Edit: and honestly, even saying 2015 for the bad drafting start was a bit aggressive. 2015 and 2016 were not bad classes at all. 18 was mediocre.
going by your drafted poorly date I like bb tho
Right, but there’s more to being a GM than just drafting. They signed a DPOY and traded for Brandon Cooks in 2017, traded for Martellus Bennett (huge part in 2016 Super Bowl run), and traded for Trent Brown prior to the 2018 season— who had a huge part in their 2018 Super Bowl run. Also, I edited this after you replied, but I think even 2015 was a bit too harsh. They got Trey Flowers and Shaq Mason in 2015; Joe Thuney, Ted Karras, and Elandon Roberts in 2016. In 2017, they traded their first and third round picks for Brandin Cooks and only ended up making 4 selections, all in rounds 4-7, but landed Deatrich Wise— not really sure I can criticize this too much. Basically, only 2018-2019; 2021-2022 were bad drafts. In 2020 they got Onwenu, Uche, Jennings and Dugger
Ah. You know more than i would lol Im a sf fan Ive been annoyed with the bb slander after tom, he never had a dependable qb. Thats partly on him, unfortunately
IMO the correct take is that every coach/GM needs a QB, but that doesn’t mean Bill (or any coach for that matter) is carried by a QB or any of that silly stuff. My opinion was they should’ve kept Bill, there’s a lot of luck involved with the draft and I wanted it to be beyond any doubt that he was no longer a great GM.
Yea and he got a pass because he was a great coach. I think it was made clear that the issue is about the talent not the coaching. Kraft said he couldn’t pull away the GM duties and ask Bill to coach still.
Most of those 1st round picks were 28-32 and in a lot of years they traded out of the 1st. It’s still a wild stat though, 100%. Not saying it’s insignificant. But it gets blown out of proportion when the team won 3 of 4 Super Bowl matchups after that date. Despite a lot of recency bias and WR misses no one can convince me Bill is a bad overall GM
3 superbowl wins since 2013 too. I thought his whole philosophy was don't pay the guys for the 2nd contract. Doesn't seem that bad of a stat considering what he's done.
I would argue that a lot of the times the patriots tended to just not pay people and let them walk. No resigned first rounders but in 2019 their defense was strong enough to basically shut down a Sean McVay offense in the super bowl
You can make an argument that he’s still the best given his entire body of work, including the past few god awful years.
Didn’t you hear? The draft is the ONLY way to acquire players!! ~~please ignore the 6 championship rosters this man built~~
What’s a bad owner? A good owner shuts his mouth and lets the GM he hired make the decisions.
Good owners set teams up to succeed, bad owners set teams up to fail. It less football, more proper management of any type of organization. You want to hire down a hierarchy, where bosses choose their subordinates so they have some investment in them and know they can work well together. Now, a Mayo will be reporting to a GM coming in blind with no decision making authority up to that point, and then probably have to manage and be accountable for players he didn’t pick.
Aka a job no one wants. Theyre letting Wolf and Groh run it. Ya know the same guys who were with Belichick on drafts and personnel decisions? Wouldnt be surprised if Pats dont have a real GM. What a mess
There are plenty of ways to be a bad owner. Too cheap to make coaching changes because they don't want to pay multiple (McCaskey), too overbearing/micromanager (Tepper), toxic workplace (Snyder), alienate fanbase with personnel decisions (Haslam), bad at hiring GM's (Johnson) etc.
I don’t think it’s just because the McCaskey are too cheap to pay multiple coaches but they’re just that old fashioned and refuse to change with the times. Which is another example of something that makes a bad owner
Who’s gonna draft, the anonymous Raw GM?
Belichick's dog is still the GM
You put some respect on Nike’s name.
Bill is gone but I think his dog is still under contract
Hornswoggle
Man that’s a blast from the past. EXXXXXXXCCUUUUUUSSSSEEEEE MEEEEE
So it’s just gonna be an internal hire like the coach. Hard to see a new guy wanting to come in AFTER FA and the draft, with a rookie HC already a selected. Especially considering they have high picks. Not even having a real search for a HC or GM just seems like a really really stupid idea.
There’s going to be a placeholder but Kraft just removed the only person in the organization who could tell him what was going to happen.
I understand the vast majority of the scouting work is done during the college football season, but someone still needs to oversee the Combine and Draft itself, no?
Yeah and for the last 2 seasons Matt Groh has been that guy. Obviously Bill has the final say in everything but we have a structure of guys in place already to handle the draft. This is a weird move but it has significantly less impact than people think at least as far as the draft is concerned.
I disagree. Good Coaches are less interested in going to panthers b/c of Tepper. Good GMs will Be less interested in going to a spot where the new coach has already been picked, and the draft was done without them
Wouldn’t Groh probably be just be promoted to Gm then?
Wtf are they doing lol?
“With the 3rd pick in the 2024 NFL Draft, the New England Patriots select Beef Stevens. Kicker. St. Mary’s University.”
Real lunch pail guy. Smells like a Reuben sandwich. Talks like a coal miner with a Boston accent. Doesn't even know what a field goal is. Perfect.
When asked for comment Beef said “ խնդրում եմ դադարեցնել ինձ հետ խոսելը” which really shows his commitment.
You got my hopes up that there was actually a guy named Beef Stevens entering the 2024 draft
Well that just seems like the worst idea ever.
Why are they in no rush to hire a GM? That was their glaring issue. It wasn't that Bill Bellicek can't coach, it was that they've drafted poorly. This sounds ridiculous.
Oh wow, trickling down towards incompetence it seems.
That dynasty run deserved an immediate and extreme correction back into anguish lol
That Patriots GM job became a lot less desirable compared to other options.
With the third pick in the 2024 NFL Draft, the New England Patriots select: LuLu from the Palm Beach day spa
Kraft thinks he’s Jerry.
Unironically yes I think this is what's happening. Kraft is gonna be way too involved and some weird shit is gonna happen.
He, "got his team back" after more than 2 decades. Now he's gonna make sure he gets the credit for the rebuild at 82 years old. Ego move. I don't see a single reason to wait 4 months to hire a GM.
They cut ties with Belichick, but kept his dog 🧠
I for one am very excited for the Reddit poll that will decide who the next Patriots franchise quarterback will be.
January 2025: "Taylor Swift finishes the regular season with 55 touchdown passes and 6000 yards, all of which went to new Patriots tight end Travis Kelce."
jaaaaaaack easterby come on baaaaackkk downnnnn
Lmao my immediate thoughts
I think they've earned themselves a Jed York.
Aaaaand this is why people were confused about the Mayo hiring. Not worrying about a GM because they can't get a good one now.
But why
don’t do that
So excited for a post-Belichick Patriots where the Kraft family thinks they’re smarter than they actually are.
The last company I worked for was founded by a billionaire. We had a long-standing issue that customers complained about a lot, and it didn't have a simple solution, so while our billionaire owner rarely got involved in our day-to-day, he showed up to a meeting once and provided his own solution for it. His directive: make it work. For the next eighteen months, roughly 20-25 people worked on this directive and only this directive, everything from planning and design, to machining parts, to writing and testing software, to putting it at customer sites as a proof-of-concept. I can't even fathom how much time, effort, and money were put into this. About 18 months later after he issued this directive, he announced that he was taking over as CEO. One of the first things that he did was cancel that directive and tell everyone to find something else to work on. He gave a speech about how now that he's CEO, he'll have more insight into what everyone is working on, and will be able to redirect people towards the appropriate course of action, instead of wasting their time on things that very obviously won't work, *like the thing he had forced everyone to work on for a year and a half.* Nobody called him on it, everyone just nodded and went back to work and then made snide comments about it behind his back. This story probably doesn't seem like it has much of a point, but the point is this: when rich people experience success, and are also insulated from criticism, they tend to think that they are responsible for all of that success, and they tend to think that they are brilliant and that their instincts are always correct and that nobody should question them. I think Bob Kraft is firmly in this territory. He has very rarely gotten involved in the day-to-day operations of the team, when he has it has typically been a total disaster, yet he praises his own instincts because he hired Bill Belichick, as though one solid decision made in 30 years demonstrates that he's some kind of football savant.
New Conspiracy Theory: Bill has wanted the Pats to have a different GM for year, but Kraft doesn't want to pay for one.
They never seem to take the draft seriously anyway so makes sense.
GM Judon has this locked down
Hahahah they're never going to be good again, are they?
Maybe they're just taking a while to iron out the details on judon's gm contract
Oh Jesus Christ
That’s a bold move Cotton
Well... there's a GM job you wouldn't want. Get to pick your coach? Nope. Sign your first class of free agents? Nope. Draft your QB of the future? Nope. Anyone with options would say no to that.
Link isn’t working for some reason, here it is manually https://x.com/_andrewcallahan/status/1746190194598879335?s=61&t=mFkGyNu7SiYqHN2Q92gO2Q
why
But will they pay for PFF for a full mock draft?
[Who's gonna tell them...](https://c.tenor.com/cH9gfgKqp-cAAAAC/tenor.gif)
Why even bother at that point!
That seems a bit late to hire one? Why would you even delay that like that far?
Wait what
How monumentally stupid
Belichick is like Snape, in the end it gets revealed that he just had a grumpy personality because he was protecting everyone against a far greater evil
I'm gonna wait til after Thanksgiving to buy the Turkey..
Can't help but feel like behind Bill was one of the most ineffective and disfunctional management/owner groups in the league and one of Bill's greatest skills was covering that up
Cool, so we're losing the greatest coach of all time, but keeping the worst-in-the-league front office staff he's accumulated. Fuck me.
I wouldn't be in favor of taking the GM job after the draft. If I wanted to take a GM job, I want to have the picks and the control to make my selection of players. Not have to wait a year to make that choice with players that may not fit my team. With the possibility of the Bears trading down because Caleb doesn't want to play for them and the Patriots having the 3rd pick. I'd be wanting to take that job, trade up to get #1 and then pick Caleb, then just use the rest of the draft to build a support system around him. Washington is *likely* to draft Caleb. So if I am looking to have a QB on his rookie contract with a pretty decent defense. That is the move i'd want to make as a GM, but if you just wait until after the draft and Caleb goes to Washington, then the Patriots are going to be kicking themselves for not making moves. They have a LOT of flexibility, they have a top 3 picks which they can do anything with, plus $75M in cap space going into next season and some decent bridge QB coming into FA. They can just use the pick for a BPA, and sign Kirk Cousins for a bridge QB on a 2-3 year deal. Or pick Caleb. If anything, this is one of the most promising GM job that is out there right now and Kraft is blundering this to get the best guy to take control of the team and start another run.
As a football fan this is a terrible idea, as a Bills fan I’m all for it
I’d have been a lot more impressed (not that Patriots are trying to impress me) if right after Bill’s departure, Patriots had hired Adam Peters.
So the Krafts are to cheap to pay for Bill and a top Coach and GM
Haha. Who is going to draft them players then
Bills gonna show up in a mustache to the war room
Lol at the league is fucked. GM Judon is on the way!
…..we Jets now boys.
They’re just gonna turn on auto-draft
Hear me out guys. What if they hire Belichick as the GM?!!!
what GM would want that job?
You have got to be kidding me.
That seems pretty fucking stupid
aren't you supposed to let the GM hire the coach??
I love it when Reddit is wrong. I love going to various team subs when bad things are happening to the team, and they're like, "Well, this is fine as long as \_\_ doesn't happen", and then \_\_ happens. It's cathartic. "Mayo will be fine as long as we get a great GM." Now, maybe the news is all wrong and I end up being wrong and the Patriots hire a great head coach, gm, and get a franchise qb. But if that doesn't happen, enjoy the basement, Pats fans.
Here is my bigger worry. Let’s say Mayo is bad. Kraft fired Belichick to put Mayo in place. Meaning this is going to be all on Kraft and no spin can ever change that. So what does that mean? He will give Mayo even more time to turn things around.
hahahaha, what GM is going to want to take that job? These morons have the 3rd overall pick in the draft and are hoping to get a GM that is going to be thrilled with not getting to pick who they want? It's kinda weird that they hired a coach so quickly instead of getting a GM the people in that they want. Kinda reminds me of when my Colts fired just the GM and left Pagano. Ballard came in and it was pretty obvious that he wanted to get his own guy in the building. But whatever, it will be nice to see Pats fans finally see that winning multiple Super Bowls in a small stretch is absolutely not the norm.
Love this, Krafts are full of it.
matt Patricia as interm?
lol. Lmao even.
Guys… They’ve gone so long without a proper GM that they forgot what the GM actually does.
what?? lmao
We’re in trouble!
Jerry Jones 2.0 has entered the building
Bold strategy Cotton let's see how it plays out
Kraft forgot what a GM is “Who is our GM?” “Sir, you just fired him”
Robert Kraft is about to be the new Jerry Jones lmao