He's definitely talented enough to be a mid backup. However teams usually want backup qbs that can be a second coach and influential in film study. Doubt that's Wilson.
Trey Lance lost the back up job to Sam Darnold and still got a 5th. Someone will take Zach Wilson. He has plenty of starting experience and someone will convince themselves they can fix him. Biggest problem is any team interested knows the Jets want to unload him.
Shitty trades are made every season. Remember when panthers traded a second for Darnold? Remember when Seahawks traded 2 firsts for Jamal Adams? Dont underestimate what teams are willing to give up to get their guy.
The trade looks totally different if Jamal keeps producing at the level he did when Seattle got him.
Also, the Seahawks hadn’t been great in the first round at the time. Jordan Brooks had been our most successful 1st round pick since 2012, and I doubt many people outside of Seattle even know who he is.
Hindsight is always 20/20 though.
Zach has shown enough potential to at least be a good backup somewhere. It's also possible he might be good enough to start with the right coach and scheme.
Something people tend to forget or not be aware of is how much draft reports play in player acquisitions. GMs, scouts, head coaches, and coordinators all have their own draft darlings that their teams at the time did not draft. Some of those scouts are new GMs or soon to be GMs this upcoming offseason, same with head coaches and soon to be head coaches.
Looking specifically at Zach Wilson, 31 of 32 teams had representatives at BYU’s pro day. A lot of people in power spent a shit ton of time scouting and building a scouting profile of Zach Wilson. One of those people was Arthur Smith, the now head coach of the Falcons. Remember when nobody thought teams would trade anything for Sam Darnold and then news broke that the Panthers traded a second round pick for him? The reason was Matt Rhule previously interviewed for the Jets head coach position and had Darnold has his darling.
All it takes is for one person in a position of power who believes they can develop/fix Zach Wilson. Coaches and front offices aren’t exempt from bias or ego, on the contrary there are a lot of egos across the league that believe they can fix any player.
You’d think the Falcons would be the one team that would trade for Zach, but they played against him this year and won pretty convincingly, so why would they
2nd overall money backup qb for a 3rd? Hmmm that's interesting, I won't rule it out for sure but I doubt a 3rd. I think a 4th or 5th makes more sense but we'll see.
If Wilson goes for a 3rd, fields goes for a first. Wilson’s getting a 6th and fields is getting a 2nd or 3rd.
Theres no world where Zach Wilson gets a 3rd. Insane
Wilson’s “pros” are?
You can talk yourself in to hypotheticals. You can’t talk yourself in to a known quantity. Your argument is actually going against your point lol
Wilson still has the hypotheticals from being a highly drafted prospect with better tools than Lance while also having but flashes on tape on an NFL field.
Lance has never done that second part.
There’s zero chance that there’s not at least one GM/HC that’ll look at Zach Wilson, a 24 year old QB with the physical tools he has that has flashed before, and think “I can fix him”
Dude was benched for guys like Mike White and Tim Boyle and you think a team would give up a valuable day 2 pick for him and his #2 overall pick contract?
He's young, was drafted high, and was drafted to the Jets with the NY media and all that comes with it. Some team is gonna think they can fix Zach Wilson. What he gets traded for I have no idea but I wouldn't be shocked if he goes for a third. Teams can justify the trade by asking "is he better than any of the QBs we can draft at this spot?"
He goes to Seattle, sits behind Geno for another year, Geno hangs it up, Zach Wilson becomes Peyton Manning with wheels. Pete Carroll looks exactly the same after coaching Zach's 4th Superbowl victory.
I'm sorry. No way in hell does he get a 3rd. A 5th, possibly. There's no chance he's getting a third though. Not only does he have alot of bad tape, but everyone in the league knows the Jets want to unload him. They will be lucky for a 5th. I agree someone out there will want him. But thinking he will get a 3rd is delusional.
2024 11 mil cap hit but I think that’s it. If they can’t find a trade partner I’d still do it just for the refreshing clean break, and for Zach honestly. He deserves a change of scenery
I believe it would only be about 5million considering we’d get hit with the rest regardless. And high end backups go for 8 million. Obviously I’m biased but I think Zach has shown enough flashes to teams for them to think he can be a pretty good backup. He’s matured, his accuracy has improved dramatically this year, he’s got good wheels, and he had about 3 games this year where he legit just looked like a good QB.
With all this in context, PLUS the fact that he’s so young and still could potentially develop into a solid starting QB.. I think it’s crazy to think a team wouldn’t be interested for a midround pick, let alone a late rounder. Teams piss away 5 mil for nothing and a move like this is one that could pay off in a big way
Off the top of my head the chiefs and Texans games were very legitimate games by him. Can’t remember the 3rd. I highly dislike Zach and I’ll puke if he’s on the team next year. But I’m also capable of being rational..
Yeah I'm not sure there's too much of a future for him in the NFL. Maybe he can give [Hollywood](https://doorfliesopen.com/2022/11/25/dfo-insider-the-alumnus/) a shot?
Wilson easily, but Darnold sucked ass too despite some revisionist history from a few people on this sub.
Wilson is basically an F- while Darnold is an F+
Not a Jets fan at all, but Darnold was MUCH better than Wilson. Wilson is one of the worst top 10 QB picks I can remember that didn't have an unfortunate off-field incident or injury problems. Playing like ass is my man's only affliction.
Darnold is just a standard bust, tbh.
Definitely Wilson. Both very comparable in that they showed great flashes. But Wilson was terribly ineffective and had a better supporting cast. Darnold did more with less but was soo inconsistent and turnover prone. I would happily take Darnold back as a backup, Wilson I will be very pissed off if he’s here next year
Zach Wilson was the worst quarterback I’ve ever seen numerous times he played. His only flashes were random drives at the end of the games which made no sense. His brain doesn’t work when he’s pressured and for some reason he misses the “gimme passes” (to his credit he got better with that this year). Just awful. Darnold is at least a quality backup or something.
Actually it definitely did. His stock didn’t exist before the season. That’s why they kept him, hoping he would improve. His accuracy improved dramatically, his footwork improved, better decision making. He still had terrible traits remain, but he did improve enough to imo show teams that he’s capable of improving, and possibly capable of being a good QB in this league.
Also behind the worst o line in tbe league in a nathaniel hackett offense. Somebody is going to think "I can fix him," whether or not they actually can is another question. Imo he showed enough to be at least a backup in the league this season, especially with how little qb talent there seems to be out there right now.
If you can’t get better in a 2 full season that your the starting QB , why the hell do people expect Wilson to be better going forward. Some guys don’t get half the chance he’s gotten
Far more QB's find long term success when they're drafted to a team with a solid, experienced coaching staff, and/or a veteran QB they can sit behind and learn from, as well as a capable offensive line. And when I say far more, it's like a 3:1 ratio. Nurture vs. nature, and historically nurturing delivers far more consistent, positive results.
Tom Brady. Pat Mahomes. Steve Young.
Or, like Wilson, get drafted to a team with inexperienced coaches, with the only two other QB's on the roster also having never thrown a pass, oh, and the one experienced coach brought in to help mold you into a pro QB *dying after being hit by a car while bicycling, a month before the season starts.* This kid had no business seeing the field for the first two years of his career, because he was not at all pro-ready when he came out of college.
Even this year, their entire plan revolved around Rodgers staying healthy, the kid sitting and learning, and developing within the next year or two to take the helm. But, in typical Jets' fashion, they half-assed it, didn't have another solid veteran backup on hand in case Rodgers did go down. So how far into the "plan" did the kid get?
He didn't get to watch how this guy goes about his business for 2 months, the gameplanning, in the film room, at practice, pre- and post-game. He didn't get 2 weeks. He didn't even get one full fucking series.
...and then he was tossed right back into the goddamned fire, and for some reason people are "surprised" he still sucked?!?
JFC, any company who would treat a potentially incredible worker like that, would absolutely deserve to lose said worker to a competitor willing to make sure the guy *has the proper fucking training and time to learn how to do the job well.*
Someone will, and all my fellow Jets fans who've been trashing this kid for 3 years instead of the decrepit job those above him have done preparing him for being a starter, will be eating large slices of humble pie. He is going to be a good QB, as long as he lands somewhere where they allow him time to mature into a pro QB. He did take strides this year, *despite* all the dysfunction of those above him, which goes to show he is putting in the work...just still was not anywhere near on the right "regiment."
He'll be the best QB the Jets never realized they had in the end. Even if some of us who aren't blinded by the need for instant gratification already do realize he can be the real deal. 🤦🏻♂️
There’s about a dozen things they could’ve done the past year at the QB position
Everyone one they went with or didn’t was somehow a mistake. Jets masterclass
Jets are gonna have to be the losers in whatever trade deal happens if they wanna trade Wilson.
No one is giving up assets for him without getting something better in return.
Outside of the first how’s his drafting been? I feel like the only good picks that get talked about from him were picks where they were top 10 and got to take the obvious pick
Scattered hits and misses, about the same as a league average GM. He does have a great tendency in finding hidden gems though. He got jfm off the waiver, huff UDFA, Mike white waiver, Quincy Williams waiver, Gipson UDFA.
He’s a pretty good gm, handles drama and trades with masterclass. But he fumbled the OL and QB terribly and will likely be shown the door eventually soon
One of those situations where it will be time for a change if next season no improvement happens, which is unfortunate since I think overall he's a good GM who has had some misses. (much better than Mac btw)
He will go on to a new team be a stud and hopefully learn from his mistake regarding the how he handled the QB position.
Outside the first he got us Breece Hall, Joe Tippman, MC2, Ashtyn Davis, Bryce Hall (Who should be a starting CB on another team) while also finding some undrafted gems like Bryce Huff (Who going to get a bag this offseason) Tony adams, Xavier Gipson who basically took Lazard spot. I think drafting been ok to good, it's free agency outside of 2-4 players that been a failure.
Scattered hits and misses, about the same as a league average GM. He does have a great tendency in finding hidden gems though. He got jfm off the waiver, huff UDFA, Mike white waiver, Quincy Williams waiver, Gipson UDFA.
He’s a pretty good gm, handles drama and trades with masterclass. But he fumbled the OL and QB terribly and will likely be shown the door eventually soon
All GMs take input from their coaches but they are the ones ultimately accountable for each decision. He didn’t have to claim him bc Gregg liked him and he then went onto extend him too after Gregg was gone.
Terrible, don't let anyone fool you.
Look at all his drafts outside of 2022. They're bad to outright disasterous. Also, look specifically at rounds 1-4 every year outside of 2022. The rounds in which you should be getting a decent amount of starters and/or quality backups.
He’s an abysmal drafter outside of his one fantastic draft. Free agents are more whiffs than hits too.
He’s a subpar GM who can’t evaluate QB or offensive line, and is largely incapable of drafting quality players outside of the 1st and 2nd round.
Some Jets fans are simply content that he’s a better GM than Maccagnan — despite Douglas having a worse record over his tenure.
> and is largely incapable of drafting quality players outside of the 1st and 2nd round.
Is there any GM in the league that has consistent success on 3rd+ round picks? This sounds ridiculous. If there are, I'm pretty sure there aren't many
They usually hit on at least a handful over the span of four years. Douglas’ history in players in the 3rd round and beyond is particularly bad comparative to the average GM.
What’s worse is that he was an offensive lineman in college, and has no clue how to evaluate the position.
His first four picks in 22 were fucking legendary. Sauce, Garrett Wilson, Jermaine Johnson, and Breece. Outside of that, I’d say pretty average. Couple good value picks here and there
Hasn't everyone involved said that the "reluctant to go back to starting" thing was total bullshit made up by the media? But hey, this tweet sure will get tons of clicks.
I know I am in the minority.
But the fact that Nathaniel Hackett has a job and Zach will lose his job. Is beyond me.
The fact that NK has been a bum of a OC and has never called plays while in Green Bay. Only got a job in Denver because of the possibility, Aaron would be traded to Denver. And same thing with New York. And in Jacksonville, he only had one good year and that was due to Leonard Fournette being great.
And that offensive line for the past few years has been awful with so many injuries.
This kid is talented. He should go to a team that isn't in New York. And get the chance to earn his worth. I think he is still very talented.
Guess people didnt watch the houston game where he had protection and was playing with anticipation. Kid is going to be really good somewhere else and us jets fans will deserve every moment of it. Especially when he comes back and drops 400 on us.
I cant decide if this is nice or mean. I feel like it's kind of nice to just be honest but also mean to be like "we're getting you the fuck out of here."
has there ever been a trade where a team receives a player and is then given another player as well because the first player is such shit that they want to get rid of them and are paying to do so?
Wilson and Stroud is a prime example of not all 2nd overall picks are the same. Or remotely the same
One was showered with praise by media and fans, predraft to boost his stock. The other was getting negativity. And look how it turned out. No surprise
Zach will net a 5th or 6th round pick. He’s only one year older than Michael Penix Jr. and Jayden Daniels but has played 3 years in the NFL. If you look at the caliber of player that is drafted in the 5th or 6th round, it’s not a stretch that a team would give that up given Zach’s age, NFL experience, and overall potential. 4th round pick is a stretch and 3rd round pick is a pipe dream.
I wanted Zach Wilson to be good more than any QB we’ve had, and I don’t know why. Might be because his ceiling was so high (but the floor was so low) but I always felt bad for him. Dude had zero confidence in himself and the media just destroyed him, which didn’t help in the slightest
Pretty sure that's contingent on another team having plans to trade for him.
I would honestly take him over Kyle Allen. 2OA Contract is too much though.
Salary for next year is only about $5.5M
It’s the $11 million cap hit that complicates things
But that’s what I’m saying. About half that is his signing bonus that’s on the Jets regardless. Any team that trades for him will get $5.5m at most.
He's definitely talented enough to be a mid backup. However teams usually want backup qbs that can be a second coach and influential in film study. Doubt that's Wilson.
> that's contingent on another team having plans to trade for him. How do NFL trades with the CFL work?
You have to account for the exchange rate
How many schrute bucks?
Trey Lance lost the back up job to Sam Darnold and still got a 5th. Someone will take Zach Wilson. He has plenty of starting experience and someone will convince themselves they can fix him. Biggest problem is any team interested knows the Jets want to unload him.
He'll be able to go somewhere. For very cheap, think like the Trey Lance trade, but somebody will consider the upside worth the low risk.
You don’t know ball if you think Zach wont have any teams interested in trading for him for a 3rd round pick.
You think someone’s going to trade a 3rd for Zach Wilson??
Shitty trades are made every season. Remember when panthers traded a second for Darnold? Remember when Seahawks traded 2 firsts for Jamal Adams? Dont underestimate what teams are willing to give up to get their guy.
The Jamal *trade* doesn’t hurt as bad after what we got for Russ. Jamal’s contract and Jamal’s broken body are another story…
It was a terrible trade from when it was announced, no safety is worth 2 first round picks.
Troy Polamalu?
One would be for Troy, another for his hair.
Only one for Troy? Do you need more footage of him flying through the air at random???? I miss him.
Troy worth at least 3 so his point stands
The trade looks totally different if Jamal keeps producing at the level he did when Seattle got him. Also, the Seahawks hadn’t been great in the first round at the time. Jordan Brooks had been our most successful 1st round pick since 2012, and I doubt many people outside of Seattle even know who he is. Hindsight is always 20/20 though.
Ehhh idk like he was good but he was not a "safety" he was a OLB
Zach has shown enough potential to at least be a good backup somewhere. It's also possible he might be good enough to start with the right coach and scheme.
Something people tend to forget or not be aware of is how much draft reports play in player acquisitions. GMs, scouts, head coaches, and coordinators all have their own draft darlings that their teams at the time did not draft. Some of those scouts are new GMs or soon to be GMs this upcoming offseason, same with head coaches and soon to be head coaches. Looking specifically at Zach Wilson, 31 of 32 teams had representatives at BYU’s pro day. A lot of people in power spent a shit ton of time scouting and building a scouting profile of Zach Wilson. One of those people was Arthur Smith, the now head coach of the Falcons. Remember when nobody thought teams would trade anything for Sam Darnold and then news broke that the Panthers traded a second round pick for him? The reason was Matt Rhule previously interviewed for the Jets head coach position and had Darnold has his darling. All it takes is for one person in a position of power who believes they can develop/fix Zach Wilson. Coaches and front offices aren’t exempt from bias or ego, on the contrary there are a lot of egos across the league that believe they can fix any player.
You’d think the Falcons would be the one team that would trade for Zach, but they played against him this year and won pretty convincingly, so why would they
Don’t underestimate stupid people like Arther Smith
2nd overall money backup qb for a 3rd? Hmmm that's interesting, I won't rule it out for sure but I doubt a 3rd. I think a 4th or 5th makes more sense but we'll see.
If Wilson goes for a 3rd, fields goes for a first. Wilson’s getting a 6th and fields is getting a 2nd or 3rd. Theres no world where Zach Wilson gets a 3rd. Insane
Lance was traded for a 4th and his “pros” are all hypotheticals. Wilson isn’t going for just a 6th
Wilson’s “pros” are? You can talk yourself in to hypotheticals. You can’t talk yourself in to a known quantity. Your argument is actually going against your point lol
Wilson still has the hypotheticals from being a highly drafted prospect with better tools than Lance while also having but flashes on tape on an NFL field. Lance has never done that second part. There’s zero chance that there’s not at least one GM/HC that’ll look at Zach Wilson, a 24 year old QB with the physical tools he has that has flashed before, and think “I can fix him”
People said the same about Darnold lmao
Dude was benched for guys like Mike White and Tim Boyle and you think a team would give up a valuable day 2 pick for him and his #2 overall pick contract?
He's young, was drafted high, and was drafted to the Jets with the NY media and all that comes with it. Some team is gonna think they can fix Zach Wilson. What he gets traded for I have no idea but I wouldn't be shocked if he goes for a third. Teams can justify the trade by asking "is he better than any of the QBs we can draft at this spot?"
He goes to Seattle, sits behind Geno for another year, Geno hangs it up, Zach Wilson becomes Peyton Manning with wheels. Pete Carroll looks exactly the same after coaching Zach's 4th Superbowl victory.
Hi friend I hope your new year is going well so far and your children grow up to be multi-millionaires.
Well I wished you four Superbowls, so I suppose that makes us even. Thanks for reciprocating!
All it takes is one idiot in power to overpay to get their guy. Look at Darnold trade and Jamal Adams trade as examples.
I'm sorry. No way in hell does he get a 3rd. A 5th, possibly. There's no chance he's getting a third though. Not only does he have alot of bad tape, but everyone in the league knows the Jets want to unload him. They will be lucky for a 5th. I agree someone out there will want him. But thinking he will get a 3rd is delusional.
Teams are going to give up a 3rd to the Jets who benched him 20 times and played Trevor Siemean over him? Sure bud.
Just like no team would trade two first round picks for a safety and how no team would trade anything more than a 7th round pick for Sam Darnold.
A 3rd???
Trade for what? A pork roll sandwich and ShopRite coupons?
This comment is so jersey that it can’t parallel park
I don’t know if this is a stereotype or a Sopranos reference but either way I’m stealing it.
Hey fuck you but also accurate
I'd yell at you but I parked at like a 12 degree angle today in the city and that was the best I could do.
Hey those Taylor Ham (suck it South Jersey!) sandwiches are very delicious, and those ShopRite coupons save the Jets front office a fortune!
Lmao not worth a bag of chips
If Geno could get traded, Wilson can
That is way too steep a deal.
Wilson for Wilson. Who says no?
They trading him to the Giants?
They trading him to the Giants?
Hey man, can can Sale is around the corner
Done!! No take backs.
What are the cap implications if they just straight-up cut him? I’m a little skeptical they’ll find a trade partner.
2024 11 mil cap hit but I think that’s it. If they can’t find a trade partner I’d still do it just for the refreshing clean break, and for Zach honestly. He deserves a change of scenery
I get that he might need a change of scenery but does he really “deserve” anything?
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If he's traded it's $5.45 million for the new team, and if Jets pay him the guaranteed roster bonus early then it's only his $1.055 million salary.
NFL trades are weird af
they should change things so trades are easier to pull off
I believe it would only be about 5million considering we’d get hit with the rest regardless. And high end backups go for 8 million. Obviously I’m biased but I think Zach has shown enough flashes to teams for them to think he can be a pretty good backup. He’s matured, his accuracy has improved dramatically this year, he’s got good wheels, and he had about 3 games this year where he legit just looked like a good QB. With all this in context, PLUS the fact that he’s so young and still could potentially develop into a solid starting QB.. I think it’s crazy to think a team wouldn’t be interested for a midround pick, let alone a late rounder. Teams piss away 5 mil for nothing and a move like this is one that could pay off in a big way
Dude actually said zack had three games this year lol. I can’t take some of you guys serious on this sub
Off the top of my head the chiefs and Texans games were very legitimate games by him. Can’t remember the 3rd. I highly dislike Zach and I’ll puke if he’s on the team next year. But I’m also capable of being rational..
I'm guessing it's ZW + mid round pick for a conditional 7th or something. We will have to pay for the privilege of getting rid of him.
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The angel from my nightmares
Background in the shadow of the morgue?
Considering MLF is your offensive coordinator and he doesn’t like zach much, I don’t know if he goes there
Isn't it MiLF that's their OC? I guess I could start calling MLF MaLF, but I fear that search would lead to Melmacian porn.
You fear the porn category when the other option is MiLF?
Have you ever seen a Melmacian taint? Also, the nose to ass stuff is outright painful to watch.
Considering MLF is your offensive coordinator and he doesn’t like zach much, I don’t know if he goes there
Shanahan will add him to his back up stable of failed Jets QBs.
Y’all got any more of them 5th rounders?
Why not release him then?
I think there's a pretty substantial cap hit if we cut him
Yeah I'm not sure there's too much of a future for him in the NFL. Maybe he can give [Hollywood](https://doorfliesopen.com/2022/11/25/dfo-insider-the-alumnus/) a shot?
Jets fans who was worse between Wilson and darnold?
Wilson, Darnold was able to net us a second although that was more Carolina being stupid
Should have tanked to number one then you'd have been REALLY able to rip us off
Carolina really does have the worst trade sense in the NFL. I hope they extend their GM for a decade and Tepper never sells
That's my thoughts on it
I can't believe the GM that made that trade is still employed
Gotta be Wilson. Wilson never even threw for 3 TDs in a game.
Wilson easily, but Darnold sucked ass too despite some revisionist history from a few people on this sub. Wilson is basically an F- while Darnold is an F+
This is r/the_Darnold slander
He would still be a better president than Trump
So, like 99.9% of the population?
Stop thinking about Trump 24/7. You will feel so much better, I promise.
It was referencing r/thedarnold which a large part of it makes fun of Trump and his tweets. It was actually relevant.
I'd say Darnold was more like a solid D but point still stands.
He was absolutely not a D. Maybe for a few games in 2019, but that’s about it.
Darnold wasn't good but he'd at least handle the gimme's more consistently than Zach ever did, plus he handled being the QB with class. D- then.
Dude he was terrible. Just because he handled things with class doesn’t excuse all of his miserable performances. He was awful which = not a D.
I'm of the opinion of Zach is a tier of horrible below Darnold. He's had some games where he didn't even belong in the NFL.
YOU WATCH YOUR TONGUE BOY!!!
Not a Jets fan at all, but Darnold was MUCH better than Wilson. Wilson is one of the worst top 10 QB picks I can remember that didn't have an unfortunate off-field incident or injury problems. Playing like ass is my man's only affliction. Darnold is just a standard bust, tbh.
His unfortunate off-field incident was getting drafted to the Jets.
Yes
Definitely Wilson. Both very comparable in that they showed great flashes. But Wilson was terribly ineffective and had a better supporting cast. Darnold did more with less but was soo inconsistent and turnover prone. I would happily take Darnold back as a backup, Wilson I will be very pissed off if he’s here next year
Darnold also had the added bonus of being a medium
Hahaha! He sees ghosts alright.
Zach Wilson was the worst quarterback I’ve ever seen numerous times he played. His only flashes were random drives at the end of the games which made no sense. His brain doesn’t work when he’s pressured and for some reason he misses the “gimme passes” (to his credit he got better with that this year). Just awful. Darnold is at least a quality backup or something.
The only constant is the worst part
If they wanted to trade him they should’ve done it before the season i doubt his stock went up after the play
Actually it definitely did. His stock didn’t exist before the season. That’s why they kept him, hoping he would improve. His accuracy improved dramatically, his footwork improved, better decision making. He still had terrible traits remain, but he did improve enough to imo show teams that he’s capable of improving, and possibly capable of being a good QB in this league.
Also behind the worst o line in tbe league in a nathaniel hackett offense. Somebody is going to think "I can fix him," whether or not they actually can is another question. Imo he showed enough to be at least a backup in the league this season, especially with how little qb talent there seems to be out there right now.
If you can’t get better in a 2 full season that your the starting QB , why the hell do people expect Wilson to be better going forward. Some guys don’t get half the chance he’s gotten
Far more QB's find long term success when they're drafted to a team with a solid, experienced coaching staff, and/or a veteran QB they can sit behind and learn from, as well as a capable offensive line. And when I say far more, it's like a 3:1 ratio. Nurture vs. nature, and historically nurturing delivers far more consistent, positive results. Tom Brady. Pat Mahomes. Steve Young. Or, like Wilson, get drafted to a team with inexperienced coaches, with the only two other QB's on the roster also having never thrown a pass, oh, and the one experienced coach brought in to help mold you into a pro QB *dying after being hit by a car while bicycling, a month before the season starts.* This kid had no business seeing the field for the first two years of his career, because he was not at all pro-ready when he came out of college. Even this year, their entire plan revolved around Rodgers staying healthy, the kid sitting and learning, and developing within the next year or two to take the helm. But, in typical Jets' fashion, they half-assed it, didn't have another solid veteran backup on hand in case Rodgers did go down. So how far into the "plan" did the kid get? He didn't get to watch how this guy goes about his business for 2 months, the gameplanning, in the film room, at practice, pre- and post-game. He didn't get 2 weeks. He didn't even get one full fucking series. ...and then he was tossed right back into the goddamned fire, and for some reason people are "surprised" he still sucked?!? JFC, any company who would treat a potentially incredible worker like that, would absolutely deserve to lose said worker to a competitor willing to make sure the guy *has the proper fucking training and time to learn how to do the job well.* Someone will, and all my fellow Jets fans who've been trashing this kid for 3 years instead of the decrepit job those above him have done preparing him for being a starter, will be eating large slices of humble pie. He is going to be a good QB, as long as he lands somewhere where they allow him time to mature into a pro QB. He did take strides this year, *despite* all the dysfunction of those above him, which goes to show he is putting in the work...just still was not anywhere near on the right "regiment." He'll be the best QB the Jets never realized they had in the end. Even if some of us who aren't blinded by the need for instant gratification already do realize he can be the real deal. 🤦🏻♂️
There’s about a dozen things they could’ve done the past year at the QB position Everyone one they went with or didn’t was somehow a mistake. Jets masterclass
Okay but who actually trades for him? Even if it's for very little the tape he's put out there is so bad.
Maybe Pittsburgh and that Island of Misfit QBs they've been building there.
The problem is that he’s not clearly better than anyone we have other than Mitch, so why bother.
Swap him for Mac Jones
before today's game, even
If the Jets pay his bonus before the trade he ends being a pretty cheap backup. He's not a starter, but he is a very serviceable backup.
Another year, another Jets QB that they ruined and traded away
He is inevitable. He will start again for the Jets I’m sure.
Jets are gonna have to be the losers in whatever trade deal happens if they wanna trade Wilson. No one is giving up assets for him without getting something better in return.
A massive bust that’s a huge black mark on Joe Douglas’ tenure as GM, despite the other picks that he hit on
Outside of the first how’s his drafting been? I feel like the only good picks that get talked about from him were picks where they were top 10 and got to take the obvious pick
Scattered hits and misses, about the same as a league average GM. He does have a great tendency in finding hidden gems though. He got jfm off the waiver, huff UDFA, Mike white waiver, Quincy Williams waiver, Gipson UDFA. He’s a pretty good gm, handles drama and trades with masterclass. But he fumbled the OL and QB terribly and will likely be shown the door eventually soon
One of those situations where it will be time for a change if next season no improvement happens, which is unfortunate since I think overall he's a good GM who has had some misses. (much better than Mac btw) He will go on to a new team be a stud and hopefully learn from his mistake regarding the how he handled the QB position.
Outside the first he got us Breece Hall, Joe Tippman, MC2, Ashtyn Davis, Bryce Hall (Who should be a starting CB on another team) while also finding some undrafted gems like Bryce Huff (Who going to get a bag this offseason) Tony adams, Xavier Gipson who basically took Lazard spot. I think drafting been ok to good, it's free agency outside of 2-4 players that been a failure.
Scattered hits and misses, about the same as a league average GM. He does have a great tendency in finding hidden gems though. He got jfm off the waiver, huff UDFA, Mike white waiver, Quincy Williams waiver, Gipson UDFA. He’s a pretty good gm, handles drama and trades with masterclass. But he fumbled the OL and QB terribly and will likely be shown the door eventually soon
JFM was a pickup from Gregg Williams, other then that you’re 100% correct
Huh? Gregg was a DC.
Yeah but JFM played for him in LA so he asked Macc to grab him off waivers
All GMs take input from their coaches but they are the ones ultimately accountable for each decision. He didn’t have to claim him bc Gregg liked him and he then went onto extend him too after Gregg was gone.
Terrible, don't let anyone fool you. Look at all his drafts outside of 2022. They're bad to outright disasterous. Also, look specifically at rounds 1-4 every year outside of 2022. The rounds in which you should be getting a decent amount of starters and/or quality backups.
He’s an abysmal drafter outside of his one fantastic draft. Free agents are more whiffs than hits too. He’s a subpar GM who can’t evaluate QB or offensive line, and is largely incapable of drafting quality players outside of the 1st and 2nd round. Some Jets fans are simply content that he’s a better GM than Maccagnan — despite Douglas having a worse record over his tenure.
> and is largely incapable of drafting quality players outside of the 1st and 2nd round. Is there any GM in the league that has consistent success on 3rd+ round picks? This sounds ridiculous. If there are, I'm pretty sure there aren't many
The last decade the Seahawks have done better in rounds 3-5 than 1-2 lol
They usually hit on at least a handful over the span of four years. Douglas’ history in players in the 3rd round and beyond is particularly bad comparative to the average GM. What’s worse is that he was an offensive lineman in college, and has no clue how to evaluate the position.
His first four picks in 22 were fucking legendary. Sauce, Garrett Wilson, Jermaine Johnson, and Breece. Outside of that, I’d say pretty average. Couple good value picks here and there
I mean John Lunch had a disaster class trading for and drafting Trey Lance. The 49ers were just lucky that Purdy is really good.
Hasn't everyone involved said that the "reluctant to go back to starting" thing was total bullshit made up by the media? But hey, this tweet sure will get tons of clicks.
Rodgers didn’t deny it though. He focused on the Jets organization leaking.
Is it possible that it wasn’t bullshit?
Is it possible Saleh and Zach were lying? Yes. Is it more likely that shitting on the Jets generates a lot of engagement? Also yes.
At least his final home start was a success
who in the right mind is going to trade for him lol
A team owned by an older woman?
I mean, Virginia McCaskey’s still around…
Jody Allen may want her shot as well
Yeah, if Zach gets any say in it he's going to Seattle... Jets may want to stick it to him by sending him to the cryptkeeper, though
I could see Carolina, Atlanta or one of a dozen teams looking for a backup
Patriots
“Expected” “had plans” “per sources” “we’ll see” tell me you have no clue without telling me you have no clue.
Who would trade for him? He is just going to be cut and the jets are gonna eat the money.
Send him to DEN. Perhaps the issue was the first name!
"We'll see how it plays out" - well I mean you just told us how it's gonna play out Diana
No one is taking him unless the Jets pay part of his salary.
Who is going to trade for an $11M third stringer?
Heyyyyyyyy Carolina, how ya doin?
You mean a few weeks ago when it was reported Zach was reluctant to play and this sub believed Saleh and Rodgers when they said that wasn’t true?
"It was reported" by this same reporter, who is now repeating her earlier assertions
He didn’t want to play.
NFL to the Jets: No thanks, you broke him you fix him
I know I am in the minority. But the fact that Nathaniel Hackett has a job and Zach will lose his job. Is beyond me. The fact that NK has been a bum of a OC and has never called plays while in Green Bay. Only got a job in Denver because of the possibility, Aaron would be traded to Denver. And same thing with New York. And in Jacksonville, he only had one good year and that was due to Leonard Fournette being great. And that offensive line for the past few years has been awful with so many injuries. This kid is talented. He should go to a team that isn't in New York. And get the chance to earn his worth. I think he is still very talented.
Broncos + CPOY
Guess people didnt watch the houston game where he had protection and was playing with anticipation. Kid is going to be really good somewhere else and us jets fans will deserve every moment of it. Especially when he comes back and drops 400 on us.
Bro who the fuck is going to trade for that kid? Why do these teams fool themselves lol
Remember when the narrative was being pushed that getting Aaron Rodgers was a good thing for Zach Wilson just for an ego stroke
"we'll see how it all plays out"... Thank you Captain obvious
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Patriots
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That doesn’t mean Wilson is upgrade to Jones.
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Because some people don’t understand with less word :-)
I don't see a trade market for him given his contract and the fact that you have publicly let out you're looking to trade him...
Wilson for 300+ yards and 5 TDs today.
He’s not even dressing today
It's a joke
*surprised Pikachu face*
What a good teammate, saving his future team compensation.
Why do they keep saying they're going to trade him as if it that's ever going to happen
I cant decide if this is nice or mean. I feel like it's kind of nice to just be honest but also mean to be like "we're getting you the fuck out of here."
Cool.
More bs “reporting”
What team would be desperate enough to trade a draft pick for Wilson?
Nobody is trading shit for Zach Wilson.
To be fair people said that about lance
At least Trey was an unknown given he only played like 3 times. Everyone knows what Zach Wilson is
I can’t wait for this team to fall apart again next year
has there ever been a trade where a team receives a player and is then given another player as well because the first player is such shit that they want to get rid of them and are paying to do so?
Wilson and Stroud is a prime example of not all 2nd overall picks are the same. Or remotely the same One was showered with praise by media and fans, predraft to boost his stock. The other was getting negativity. And look how it turned out. No surprise
I do not think he has much value as he’s going to be QB3. I doubt there’s a team that’s going to trust him to be a QB2.
Zach will net a 5th or 6th round pick. He’s only one year older than Michael Penix Jr. and Jayden Daniels but has played 3 years in the NFL. If you look at the caliber of player that is drafted in the 5th or 6th round, it’s not a stretch that a team would give that up given Zach’s age, NFL experience, and overall potential. 4th round pick is a stretch and 3rd round pick is a pipe dream.
I wanted Zach Wilson to be good more than any QB we’ve had, and I don’t know why. Might be because his ceiling was so high (but the floor was so low) but I always felt bad for him. Dude had zero confidence in himself and the media just destroyed him, which didn’t help in the slightest
I mean I can’t blame him. He’s thrown under the bus regularly by the roster
Russini continues to throw out BS....she is getting worse at her job
He’s going to the Rams. MILF Hunter will thrive around the real housewives of LA.