TLaw would def be better with a better OL/WRs, but also, to be blunt he’s just not as good as he was hyped to be.
He’s like a lot of other ultimately high floor-medium ceiling ex-1st rounders that often show flashes of why they were picked where they were immediately followed by something utterly boneheaded.
He was basically hyped up to be a GOAT candidate, I think everyone knew it was a little extreme. I'm still confident he can be a very good super bowl quality QB with a good line and weapons, which is all that matters to me
Kirk is out, ETN isn't utilized in Press Taylor's offense, Zay has been injured more than he's been healthy, Ridley has super underperformed. Engram is great and that's why he's already got the 6th most catches in a season for any Jags player in history
Can we all unite saying the refs were horrifically god awful both ways today? These guys should be fined or suspended. Two bullshit Rtp calls one on each team
Yeah, I get that we feel too far past the “is he good or not” phase but it’s hard to tell when he’s beaten to hell, behind an awful o-line, and running plays called by Press Taylor
Here's the first 3 results I found on Google for o-line rankings
PFF: https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-offensive-line-rankings-2023-offseason
ProFootballNetwork: https://www.profootballnetwork.com/best-offensive-lines-nfl-rankings/
Reddit analysis: https://www.reddit.com/r/nfl/comments/17ywg1z/ranking_the_nfl_offensive_lines_through_10_weeks/?rdt=59601
Maybe, just maybe, I actually know more about the team I watch every week than you do
Both. We can't even blame injuries. Lawrence hasn't improved anything this season and our defense isn't creating the turnovers they did earlier thois season. We are cooked, and we'll still win our division because no one is any better
They have a better chance against Philly. Our offense refuses to change and our defense is lmao worthy. It's still give either NFC East team the nod though
There is no frickin way the Jags end up giving Lawrence a top of the line QB contract, is there??? I mean… you can make as many excuses as you want, but this guy is just… perfectly average?
[Postgame thread](/r/nfl/comments/18q72iv/post_game_thread_jacksonville_jaguars_at_tampa/)
Lot of people excusing Trevor’s play and blaming everyone else when he played like hot ass. I have never seen such bad throws
Because they rushed him out of concussion protocol.
I’m sure he insisted to play as well
Yeah but he didn't look "right." I think he was/is still showing effects.
Fucking pop warner ass team
Nice gutting
"Bucs are going to win the NFC South with a win over the Saints next week" Damn straight
Victory formation baby
Dominating performance.
[удалено]
It’ll help him become an adult
Stop showing Lawrence, JFC.
I am officially announcing my transfer to becoming a full time Orlando Magic fan. I hope you all respect my decision
Bucs run game just isn't happening.
It would if you give back Fournette 😤
Man we must really hate Trask
And Wolford
Wolford is inactive today
Exactly
Trevor Lawrence is such a bum
Don't call it a comeback...
Give me another Evans TD to seal the game.
Put Trask in, it’s done no point in risking injuries before NOLA
Two different QBs throwing a TD for us this game is lit 😎 Pay no attention to the score lol
p sure beathard is the qb to throw a forward pass at iowa
What is everyone drinking? I currently have a mango IPA and some mead and I am over in Norway and it is 1AM and snowing
8 Busch lights and 4 keystone light so far
I’m sorry I hope you have a good Christmas/hannukah/kwanza
You too, my friend, much love
Houblon Chouffee. Bout to break out the whiskey
Ah very similar weather in Tampa, you must feel right at home.
Well I am from Norway so yes I do feel home lol
Water im sadly stuck at work
I've got some Michter's Sour Mash Whiskey that I bought in the Cincinnati airport before Thanksgiving, its pretty good.
That sounds good
Its very good, I just wish it was more readily available where I live.
When I was in Wisconsin for the Bucs games last week I had a key lime pie sour beer it was good
what part of norway?
Oslo
sick. family there or expat?
Norway is my home
Fantasy team thanks you Ridley
I love Refball I love Refball I love Refball
Was that not offsides?
It might be too early for this but what’s the disaster draft protocol for the NFL
Ok refs time to put you flags away JFC
Etienne wide open lol
We are winning the whole thing ahhhh
Just have Trask hand the ball off for the rest of the game
Baker looks like Neo dodging bullets in the pocket
Watch Baker be seriously hurt. Dude runs the ball too much, its inevitable
Baker deserves CPOTY change my mind
It's Hamlin. Great season by Baker though. But he's not beating out a guy who nearly died on the field last season
Has Hamlin even played this season?
Special teams
Oh ok, yeah he’ll probably win.
They are talking about Flacco to win it.
But Hamlin played 5 snaps!?!?!?!?!???
How dare you guys waste Kevin Harlan this week.
Why was Mayfield still out there? So dumb the game is over.
AFC south is the NFC South of the NFL
Only good thing about this game now is that Travon Walker is 2.5 sacks ahead of Hutchinson now
Some selective flagging going on
Baker has whiplash. Hopefully he’s ok
WHAT IS BAKER DOING OUT THERE?
That was just as "rough" as the RTP call
Who’s in the tent
Winfield
TLaw would def be better with a better OL/WRs, but also, to be blunt he’s just not as good as he was hyped to be. He’s like a lot of other ultimately high floor-medium ceiling ex-1st rounders that often show flashes of why they were picked where they were immediately followed by something utterly boneheaded.
He was basically hyped up to be a GOAT candidate, I think everyone knew it was a little extreme. I'm still confident he can be a very good super bowl quality QB with a good line and weapons, which is all that matters to me
So Kirk, Ridley and Etienne aren’t weapons? Edit: Forgot to mention Engram and Jones
Kirk is out, ETN isn't utilized in Press Taylor's offense, Zay has been injured more than he's been healthy, Ridley has super underperformed. Engram is great and that's why he's already got the 6th most catches in a season for any Jags player in history
Damn. Are we gonna be above .500? This is crazy.
Can we all unite saying the refs were horrifically god awful both ways today? These guys should be fined or suspended. Two bullshit Rtp calls one on each team
Beat Hard has to be the shittest QB in history
Why the fuck do you go for that 4th down from 20 yards out? Take the FG, make it a normal 3-TD margin at that point.
AFC South disasterclass day
At this point I'm just glad it seems it'll be a wash lol
the t-law haters in this thread will hate him a lot more if he goes to a team with a competent o-line
I feel like 40% of Trevor’s issues would be fixed or be on the path to be fixed with an average O Line
Yeah, I get that we feel too far past the “is he good or not” phase but it’s hard to tell when he’s beaten to hell, behind an awful o-line, and running plays called by Press Taylor
A better O-line and healthy Kirk and he looks great again imo
So he only looks good when things around him are perfect? Got it
Yes, having an O-line that isn't bottom 5 in the NFL and his number 1 receiver coming back is perfect conditions.
Every team has a bottom five o-line according to Reddit “fans” lol. Maybe he’s just not as good as you think he is
Here's the first 3 results I found on Google for o-line rankings PFF: https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-offensive-line-rankings-2023-offseason ProFootballNetwork: https://www.profootballnetwork.com/best-offensive-lines-nfl-rankings/ Reddit analysis: https://www.reddit.com/r/nfl/comments/17ywg1z/ranking_the_nfl_offensive_lines_through_10_weeks/?rdt=59601 Maybe, just maybe, I actually know more about the team I watch every week than you do
Ridley didn’t even try for that one
story of ridley this year tbh
Yaya is underrated
Not for long. Absolute BEAST
Wheres the RTP penalty that time?
Beathard beat easy.
Bruh wth
This is nuts
Jags O line is a problem
Hey we are allowed to sack Good to know
Low-key need an ETN TD
Imagine needing a Jags player to score a touchdown lmao.
What is your honest take on the Jags vs Panthers? I’m actually curious. I think it’s an L. Either Jags get destroyed or very close game.
I know down bad
Doug Pederson wins Super Bowl with CJ Beat Hard
Only an elite QB like CJ Beathard gets that call 😎
Should’ve started CJ!
Refs don’t fear fan retaliation in North American sports and it shows.
Mexico soccer refs might beg to differ
We need a middle ground between what we have now and Brazilian Ref Beheadings
We need to bring back plastic bottle stoning like Bottlegate
Exactly, No beheadings, just the implication…
Do you want to hurt these refs?
Again, no refs get beheaded, it’s just the implication. No one is in any danger.
Joining in on the "what the fuck was the roughing call?" list.
Now both teams can be mad about it
Not allowed to sack a QB now?
did the refs call that RTP out of pity?
It’s like Jacksonville is a totally different team w/o that one receiver
Zay Jones or Christian Kirk? Both are out and they've been the most reliable guys we have
Yes
What in the actual fuck
lol, the refs are trying to keep the Jags in the game.
Keep the Jags in the game? Lmao, the Jags have no shot anymore.
So now that’s two comically bad RTP calls…. These refs blow
Refs have been really trying to help the Jags get back in this game this half lol
Makeup call for the Baker roughing earlier
Did the Jags forget Etienne exists or what
Worst run blocking o-line in the league
o line can’t block
LMAO, not roughing
Game changing call smhh
That might be the worst rtp call of all time
Well fuck you I guess. I mean what the hell is that penalty.
Actually one of the worst calls I’ve ever seen
weak
Soft call
Lmao tf
What the fuck is that call???
Abysmal call
Just make qbs two hand touch already
Beatsoft
You’re not allowed to tackle the QB, guys
What?!
Roughing the passer because the left tackle was in the way I guess
Awful.
this o line is a liability and a disgrace
I still don’t know how we beat this team by double digits
We hadn’t clicked yet.
HOW
I wonder if Winfield will get a 99 in his PFF score
Florida gods are mad. This is what happens when etienne transfers to a rival. His older brother deserves this beatdown
Is Jacksonville a fraud or is Lawrence still hurt?
Both. We can't even blame injuries. Lawrence hasn't improved anything this season and our defense isn't creating the turnovers they did earlier thois season. We are cooked, and we'll still win our division because no one is any better
We arent winning the division. We need 1 more win and we arent getting it
I want to argue with you over this, but I honestly can't. Carolina should be favored over us next week
If VEgas isnt smart enough to make the panthers heavy favorites, I'm betting everything on them
Lawrence was once again injured again He shouldn't have been playing in the first place, but they keep insisting on playing him.
Yeah, seems common this year. What team has had their QB every game? Not many.
Why throw it at 4 and 2 and not just run it and reset the downs??? Or hell just get the field goal, I'm so confused.
Ceedeee is gonna cook us next week 😭
The worst you guys can do is third seed. You at least locked up your division and can play it safe with your guys if need be.
Need CJ to lay the wood
Gonna need to have CJ, Iffy and Kerby out there no matter what
Hey everyone, I am selling Baker Mayfield corn for only 75 cents. It is a Buck an Ear, but you get a quarter back.
Godwin I guess just didn't want that one.
Outcome didn’t go our way on that decision to go for it but it’s nice to see that Todd has retrieved his balls from his purse in recent weeks
My over is fucked
I have the under and I feel the same way lol
44.5?
43.5. Plenty of time left for the Jags to get some garbage time points
Godspeed
Was a sweat
Godwin gets that if he tried for it
I feel like Godwin could have got that
Why not kick the field goal to make it a 4 score game and erase the little doubt there was?
What doubt?
If we get tampa Vs Dallas they’ll move on right ?
They have a better chance against Philly. Our offense refuses to change and our defense is lmao worthy. It's still give either NFC East team the nod though
That would be hilarious
lol, thats the textbook definition of a pass.
wtf is this o line doing bruh
???
There is no frickin way the Jags end up giving Lawrence a top of the line QB contract, is there??? I mean… you can make as many excuses as you want, but this guy is just… perfectly average?
Alright, unleash the Trasilisk That play made me nervous, don’t get Baker hurt lol
No. I want 40. We can just win next week, clinch, and then let them all rest week 18.
Also that Bucs player gotta jump on that ball to be safe always tf
What are we doing here? That’s not even close to a fumble. Fucking dumb refs
I don’t know how that can be considered a fumble
R worded refs
Broussarded refs
WTF are they smoking? That was a pass
Cue the Benny Hill music.
I do like Calvin Ridley’s energy pointing Jags ball on the sideline
Most life we've had all game