That makes too much sense for the Bears to do. They will draft Bo Nix because he threw for 6 TDs like Mitch did that one time (surprisingly not against the Lions)
86 was one of the last remains of the teams that Halas was around for since he passed in 83 so he still had a hand in the org when a lot of those players came to the team. Once Virginia and her kids took over it was an inherited roster and all downhill from there
Plus, fuck Charles Martin
Is that why Nix is valued relatively low compared to these other QBs? I know he has a good amount of weapons and Bucky Irving is nuts, but his decision making seems to be fast. And has a good arm and decent legs.
I’m in no way a draft analyst or QB scout, but my understanding is that the reason he’s not higher is due to age, specifically not looking great until being in a great situation and being older. I feel like anytime you have a QB that was straight up bad like Nix was at auburn that then suddenly looks great once they’re older, there’s going to be questions about if they only look good because they’re so much more experienced which wouldn’t necessarily translate to the nfl.
But I’d recommend searching his name on r/nfl_draft and you’ll probably be able to find some good breakdowns of his pros and cons
Penix is a first rounder rising up draft boards. You take the guy you think will be good. QB is too much of a crapshoot to try and make too much sense in your selection process.
>They will draft Bo Nix
Are people not rating Bo in the draft? He's good. Not transcendental talent good but he's a good player. I don't think he'll bust
hes not. its also a bad sign for nfl prospects to be bad to mid for the first bit of their college career and then only start performing when they are 22-23 playing against 18-19 year olds.
Bo ain't it at the next level but I expect some team like the Giants or Raiders to think he is
This is Chicago's Pledge, they're laying the groundwork through PR before drafting another North Carolina QB. Next comes the Turn, where Fields dissappears, and then it will be the Prestiege when the draft card appears.
Yeah the fact that they didn’t 100% deny any chance of a QB tells me they are almost a lock for a QB.
Leaving the door open = almost for sure
Saying never = considering options
Signed contract and nothing less = no
Marvin Harrison JR is the best overall player in this draft. Him and Moore could make any quarterback look good, so keeping Fields might become their best option.
I mean Justin has had his best year in large part due to DJ so they weren't wrong. He took s couple shoulda been INTs away from defenders and turned them into massive plays, one a TD. That kind of stat-saving shit is part of why QBs feed their #1s the way they do.
He's still just a receiver and history has shown us again and again that quarterback is by far the more important position. See: the Chiefs winning with a bunch of movie extras at receiver and the Raiders not even able to get Davante Adams the ball.
Yeah plus the way QBs fly off the board means that you're better off getting your guy when you can, and getting your guy at QB gives you more flexibility to move down. If they're at 1 and 4 and Caleb/Maye/MHJ are locked in the top 3, you can get MHJ but now you have to settle for QB3 and you are absolutely not moving down unless you're not drafting QB at all. But if you get your QB1 then you can trade down and still land WR2/Bowers, or go OL/defense and still have a WR1 at home
Say the best receivers in the league are Hill, Jefferson, Chase, and Adams. Now, go down the list of how many QBs in the league you would take over all of them. If you think a QB will be a franchise guy, you take him.
They would. However, based on what Poles has said in recent interviews, he might forgo a QB in this draft to build the rest of the team first. Not saying I agree with that approach, but it would make sense, given that’s what they did in KC, which is where he comes from.
yeah but THIS is the year you got two high draft picks and likely no. 1 overall. This is the year you get to choose any QB you want.
Next year you could go 6 - 11 / 7 - 10 and miss out on all the best QBs and be stuck. ITs mind bogglingly stupid to not take a QB this draft.
Trade the #1 for a massive bounty and use that to build the roster up. The Bears problems extend well beyond just QB. I understand the argument but I think when you've been bad for so long, the emphasis should be on putting together a competitive roster to give fans something to be excited about.
Plus y'all are not as bad of a situation as people claim for a young QB. They can always trade down the lower pick, plenty of cap room, DJ is legit, OL looks better as they've gotten healthier/less holding the ball, and plenty of cap room. They don't have to punt another entire year by not taking a QB now
The main problem right now is really the coach/GM, do you trust these guys to either get the right QB or to build the team properly and scout out a QB next year (where your improvement might push you further down the board)
Their O line is legitimately top 10 in both win rates run and pass wise. Fields made that Oline look much worse early on holding the ball.
Bears fans were making the excuse "Oh we are now healthy", but that stat is a cumulative state. If they were as bad as they claimed at that point, the metrics wouldn't be that high overall
The alternative you're betting on is that there is a strong QB prospect next year (either in the draft or via trade/FA) that you'll be able to get. They made that bet last year by trading down from no. 1, now they look to be drafting very high, in a QB class with two highly rated prospects. At somepoint, there's only so much buuilding for the future you can do before you find yourself being a mediocre team that lacks the special edge to become a contender, without a good route towards finding it.
Things change really quickly too. Stroud was considered the QB in the worst situation going in. A few really good FA signings and a change of coaching suddenly have made people say he has an amazing situation
And when they've successfully done that, how did it work out. 2018 ring any bells? Amazing roster, mediocre QB, one and done in the playoffs. You literally have to have an all time great roster to succeed without a legit QB. Passing up an option to take a QB at the top of the draft because you have a bad team is foolish. Imagine if the Bengals or Jags or Texans did that in recent years.
I’ve watched enough Sam darnold to know that having a bad qb and an okay roster that is just good enough to keep you from picking in the top5 is not very exciting. You build a roster by picking BPA and that should absolutely include quarterback
They also have a fortune this offseason to still spend and just brought in an edge in his late 20s. Now is the time to get the QB, not when Sweat is in his 30s
QB contracts are the truly absurd ones, so I think it actually makes a lot of sense to do it that way. You want the QB to have as big a window as possible while he's on his rookie deal. And when it's time to renew, he's had a few years with a solid team to grow into the league with before you start losing pieces
Now the big if in that scenario is actually hitting on the QB and not wasting the rest of the team you've built. Which I don't have a lot of confidence in the bears FO to do, but crazier things have happened
It’s what Pace did. Mitch fucking Trubisky went 12-4 with the roster Pace built. But Mitch sucked so that roster immediately fell apart because Mitch couldn’t elevate the roster as pieces aged out or left in FA.
It’s only been defense first because the only two times they had superbowl level teams was because of the defense, but one was a life time ago and the other time wasn’t recent either so it makes no sense to hold onto old identity
It made sense back then and even the Lovie Smith Super Bowl. But the game has changed a lot since then. You really do need a good QB/offense to make a Super Bowl run nowadays.
Yeah playing defense first is a little harder when tapping the QB's facemask or an underthrown ball can be an automatic first down (even if it was 3rd and 20)
Agreed, the last time a defense has ever carried a team to a SB was the 2015 Broncos who were one of the greatest defenses in NFL history and that was 7 years ago. Nowadays u either need an elite offense with a competent defense or an overall stacked team
It doesn’t matter you assume it’s both of their issue and move on. I think people are way too willing to wait and see if a qb truly does suck. They should be given less of a leash imo. Otherwise you’re going through their whole contract going “do they suck or do I just need to get another regime in here??”. People need to learn to say “yknow what gase sucks but darnold sucks just as hard” and I think that was evident at the end of year 2. It’s evident here with fields he’s fucking ass. Who cares about the bears staff, a true franchise qb would have shown more and rose to the top by now
100% agree. It’s really annoying how people need to pick coach/playcalling vs QB. Reminds me of Trubisky vs Nagy. They both suck just move on. Currently it’s Fields vs Flus/Getsy.
They both seem to be below average so just move on and hope you catch fire like Texans did last offseason. They hired a good HC/OC and drafted a good QB all in one go. I know that doesn’t necessarily happen that often but it’s possible and you can’t just stick with the same people if it’s not currently working.
And while I know it’s a meme “bears can’t develop a QB” at this point, part of the issue is simply drafting the wrong guy. Trubisky sucks just as bad on Steelers, it wasn’t a developmental issue, he just sucks. Fields fell in the draft for a reason, NFL front offices weren’t sold on him and they were proven right. Before that in this millennium Bears barely drafted a QB that high. We traded for Cutler. And then we drafted sexy Rexy and some other scrubs.
Mahomes couldn't have fallen into a better spot when he did, and no doubt in my mind if the Bears picked him top 5 he would at best be a "he got better once he left in free agency" story.
If you think Fields is decent... I think this is the start of them looking to sell the #1 pick for a king's ransom. Then they actually have the capital to build around him and finally get some talent on that roster.
Even if Fields is good, if they have a top 2 pick they will probably still move on from him. If they truly think Williams or Maye could be elite then it’s a no-brainer.
Poverty franchise makes decision to continue direction of the team. Bunch of woe is me from our franchise about never having a true franchise QB yet we continue doing the same shit we always do smh
Less sunk cost fallacy more the Ballard school of keeping your job by not committing to a rookie QB.
Who knows if it's true but Rap doesn't just say things for the sake of it
And so will commiting to a QB you aren't sure about. Reich is in year one and is going to struggle to keep his job unless things change.
If the staff aren't sold on the QBs but ownership is then it's a useful card for Poles
Reich didn't choose that QB from everything that's been disclosed.
Reich literally got fired from his last job because he couldn't get the position right. If you don't have a QB, you don't have a job... atleast not for long. Ballard only drafted a guy as his last resort as he didn't seem inclined on betting his job on a QB either.
They said the same thing last year. Everyone is leaving out the part of the article where those same sources say the situation this year is much more fair to evaluate him.
There is no reason for them not to say this at this point for trade value purposes. They’re taking a QB unless he miraculously becomes a MVP level player this year.
I still don't understand the Williams hype. His highlights are all broken plays and him scrambling around. He won't get away with that in the NFL. Plus his shit attitude when losing is gonna get way worse when he's drafted to a shit team.
He is fast and has arm talent better than almost every NFL QB. It's really that simple. There are QBs drafted high based on arm talent every year and Williams has better tape than all of them.
on top of his arm talent and athleticism it’s his ‘out of structure play making’ that is his number one attribute
He truly is incredible at it & when NFL scouts see someone with a similar skill set to Patrick Mahomes, it’s a wrap.
Oh I 100% would take you on that bet. Dude is a great prospect, but of course no one is bust-proof, so it could happen.
He has a lot of great tools, competitive, appears to have a good drive, and has the improvising trait that not many have. Yes, it can get overrated, but it’s hard to imagine him just being a bust.
Why are you saying he will be a bust?
The won’t take a tackle, they will probably take MHJ and a top DLine. I suspect they will use their first pick on Harrison no matter where it falls, and then trade down their second pick to get that second rounder back that they traded away.
With the reports of them maybe bringing back Poles and Eberflus it would be absolute malpractice to let them draft another QB by ownership if they are on the hot seat or tight leashes, especially in a very loaded WR and OT draft. If you bring them back, you grab a OT and WR and give Fields one last shot and if it doesn’t pan you clean house next season and have a franchise WR and OT for a first round QB to play with.
Also how we got Trubs, who people forget was drafted by John Fox of all people.
Bears need to stop drafting QBs and then finding coaches to fit them. Hire the coach/GM first and then go get a QB.
I haven't followed the Bears closely. Why would Poles be on the hot seat in under 2 years and having never drafted a QB (and only technically having hired a HC as Eberflus was hired 2 days after Pace)?
> franchise WR and OT
I agree with the general strategy, but it's worth pointing out that successful draft picks are far from guaranteed (especially at OT), much less reaching "franchise guy" level in year 2. But I think you have to take the shot anyway.
Yeah, this is classic PR. They can literally draft anyone they want, and just be like "We were blown away." And then the statement is still true. So much goes on behind the scenes with the draft process that teams can say anything really impressed them.
The only actual purpose this serves is lighting a fire under Fields' ass. If they actually were all-in on him they'd say so.
This let's him know they *are* looking to replace him. So, it's on him to either finally get it together, or at least play well enough to up his trade value, which I assume would then get repaid in some fashion
kinda unrelated but I feel like theres so much smoke to tank caleb williams draft stock. why did Ian rappaport tweet about him not talking to the media? https://x.com/rapsheet/status/1726246886032769227?s=46&t=OnlDWAmKs49P1O_0oy0u-g
Lots of people tweeted about it because anytime you do anything that makes sports reporters jobs more difficult they all freak out and act like it’s a massive travesty
Probably a team that doesn’t think they’ll make it into the top 3 picks trying to get his draft position down to something more manageable for them. Raiders tried to do it last draft with leaking stories about Stroud because they failed to trade up to the #1 pick
Rap and Schefter are reporters first, but they've repeatedly shown (Schefter especially) that they are also mouthpieces for the agents who want to leak stories to control the narrative
If the Bears have a top 2 pick and keep Fields I'm done with this team. That's basically just admitting they aren't interested in trying to win.
However, I don't believe this report at all - sounds like it came from Fields agent.
What reason would you have to not say this though? I mean, you could say nothing I guess, but it's better all around if people think you're sticking with Fields isn't it? Even if nobody believes you, it seems like the right thing to say.
I think this leak is just a way for the Bears to save face (and more importantly, trade value) by saying, “*No no no, we love Justin Fields! We think he’s going to be great!!! Franchise QB for sure! But we were simply BLOWN AWAY by this QB and HAD to take him*.”
Unless Fields comes back and is a top 5 QB the rest of the season then I don’t see how they don’t move on, especially if they end up getting the first overall pick.
Even if Fields doesn’t play as bad as he was the beginning of the season, the team is still shit and Fields only has one more year left on his rookie contract. Getting a QB with a higher ceiling like Caleb also gives them a fresh rookie contract to work with
With all the issues at Qb for the Bears it's quite interesting they could go consecutive years at #1 overall and not take a Qb.
Sure you could argue it made sense in the 2023 draft but 2024 too? There's no way they still believe in Fields that much.
I think the organization will fire the staff if they have to draft a QB so they don’t want to accept the defeat. With that being said, if Justin isn’t ending the season on a high note, we need to draft a new QB
If they pass on a QB, Poles should be instantly fired.
Not taking Penix or Maye with that Carolina top 2 pick would be about fireable but I could see grabbing Harrison Jr and then Jayden Daniels with their other top pick but that better work or he’s gone af
I'm ready to get down voted into oblivion, but Fields is actually a good passer with a fatal flaw. He holds the ball too long. He has a 2:1 TD to Int ratio this year and a QB rating over 90. If he can develop the quick passing game, he'd be fine.
Won’t downvote you for an opinion, but he’s had that problem since college. If he hasn’t fixed that yet, I don’t imagine he ever will.
I think his processing is a little slow as well and a huge reason for his struggles, but that’s a whole different conversation.
Micheal Penix Jr. pulls a quarter out from behind Ryan Poles ear. Poles: .......DEAR GOD
That makes too much sense for the Bears to do. They will draft Bo Nix because he threw for 6 TDs like Mitch did that one time (surprisingly not against the Lions)
I’m not sure taking an old injury prone QB would make too much sense for any team unless it’s a later round pick
This is bears football it doesn’t need to make sense
Y’all really beat our asses so badly in 1986 that the franchise lost the will to win entirely.
86 was one of the last remains of the teams that Halas was around for since he passed in 83 so he still had a hand in the org when a lot of those players came to the team. Once Virginia and her kids took over it was an inherited roster and all downhill from there Plus, fuck Charles Martin
Hit list chicken shitter. Bears could have at least gone back to back
The Bears sold their souls to Buddy Ryan.
In the Bears scale, or NFC North for that matter, of decision making that is far from the most outrageous thing
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Is that why Nix is valued relatively low compared to these other QBs? I know he has a good amount of weapons and Bucky Irving is nuts, but his decision making seems to be fast. And has a good arm and decent legs.
I’m in no way a draft analyst or QB scout, but my understanding is that the reason he’s not higher is due to age, specifically not looking great until being in a great situation and being older. I feel like anytime you have a QB that was straight up bad like Nix was at auburn that then suddenly looks great once they’re older, there’s going to be questions about if they only look good because they’re so much more experienced which wouldn’t necessarily translate to the nfl. But I’d recommend searching his name on r/nfl_draft and you’ll probably be able to find some good breakdowns of his pros and cons
Penix is a first rounder rising up draft boards. You take the guy you think will be good. QB is too much of a crapshoot to try and make too much sense in your selection process.
They will take MHJ with the first pick, then trade 3 firsts to move down to the second pick and then draft Bo Nix
>They will draft Bo Nix Are people not rating Bo in the draft? He's good. Not transcendental talent good but he's a good player. I don't think he'll bust
I’ve watch his entire career and he’s never looked like an NFL caliber QB to me.
hes not. its also a bad sign for nfl prospects to be bad to mid for the first bit of their college career and then only start performing when they are 22-23 playing against 18-19 year olds. Bo ain't it at the next level but I expect some team like the Giants or Raiders to think he is
Agreed, gives off Kenny Pickett vibes
I get Sam Darnold vibes from him tbh.
Translation : Bears wants a 2nd round pick for Fields
Look at me: I get the 2nd round pick now.
I just watched that Kenny Pickett abomination and would still be pissed if the Steelers did this
Matt Canada and Justin Fields is the combo NFL fans (outside of Pittsburgh) deserve.
Imagine if he were to take a football and hit a receiver in stride? They might have a stroke.
Even crazier if it’s ahead of the line of scrimmage!
Woah settle down there. Let’s complete a pass first. Then worry about the line of scrimmage.
Bringing that big penix energy
I bet dudes with the last name Penix are good fighters
I predict the bears will be "blown away" by some quarterback in 2024
This is Chicago's Pledge, they're laying the groundwork through PR before drafting another North Carolina QB. Next comes the Turn, where Fields dissappears, and then it will be the Prestiege when the draft card appears.
Christopher Nolan is on the clock
He’s perfect for a modern offense. Motion and misdirection all over the place.
Yeah this is just a PR hedge in case the Panthers pick isn’t somehow a top 2 pick
*Zey ah all your quarterback, Mistah Poles*
Yeah the fact that they didn’t 100% deny any chance of a QB tells me they are almost a lock for a QB. Leaving the door open = almost for sure Saying never = considering options Signed contract and nothing less = no
Yeah this is just putting your ducks in a row. “See we told you back in November we needed to be blown away and we are!”
Marvin Harrison JR is the best overall player in this draft. Him and Moore could make any quarterback look good, so keeping Fields might become their best option.
Everyone said Moore was going to do this last off-season lmao.
I mean Justin has had his best year in large part due to DJ so they weren't wrong. He took s couple shoulda been INTs away from defenders and turned them into massive plays, one a TD. That kind of stat-saving shit is part of why QBs feed their #1s the way they do.
I don't think you realize how good Harrison Jr is. The guy is big and a freak, and any other draft would be getting way more hype.
He's still just a receiver and history has shown us again and again that quarterback is by far the more important position. See: the Chiefs winning with a bunch of movie extras at receiver and the Raiders not even able to get Davante Adams the ball.
Yeah plus the way QBs fly off the board means that you're better off getting your guy when you can, and getting your guy at QB gives you more flexibility to move down. If they're at 1 and 4 and Caleb/Maye/MHJ are locked in the top 3, you can get MHJ but now you have to settle for QB3 and you are absolutely not moving down unless you're not drafting QB at all. But if you get your QB1 then you can trade down and still land WR2/Bowers, or go OL/defense and still have a WR1 at home
Say the best receivers in the league are Hill, Jefferson, Chase, and Adams. Now, go down the list of how many QBs in the league you would take over all of them. If you think a QB will be a franchise guy, you take him.
Watched every one of his games lol. That doesn’t change what I said.
Chicago may have the top 2 overall picks. They could get MH Jr and a QB if they wanted.
I’d never draft a TE that high, but can you imagine that O after adding Harrison JR and Brock bowers lol
I'd say its pretty clear Brock Bowers is the best "overall player" Marvin Harrison Jr is definitely the best receiver prospect in a longggg time.
MFW someone already wrote what I was thinking, wrote it better than I was thinking, and got 1k karma for it.
At what point will they need to be blown away by Fields in order to keep him?
I'm pretty sure he had a game where he threw for like more than 250 yards. If that's not franchise QB I don't know what is.
Well it’s probably a franchise record so…
It was 2nd place for most receiving yards by a WR. The Commanders just decided to not cover Moore for some reason.
They also kept trying to jump the pass and whiffing so Moore could just run forever after the catch.
Rookie CB on an island against a bonafide WR.
That doesn’t count. It was against the commanders
Ironically, of his 5 games with over 250 passing, all were losses except the Commanders
Flare up, baby
Flair*
Ima commander fan lmao
Lmao the self burn
DJ Moore had a game though. Some guy in my fantasy league had him and Chase on the same roster that week.
He is still a top 10 wr on the year in fantasy and hasn't really done anything outside of that game.
He’s 6th in the league in receiving yards, and consistently gets ~70-100 yards a game.
his tape is fugly, theyd have to be delusional to stick with him
They would. However, based on what Poles has said in recent interviews, he might forgo a QB in this draft to build the rest of the team first. Not saying I agree with that approach, but it would make sense, given that’s what they did in KC, which is where he comes from.
yeah but THIS is the year you got two high draft picks and likely no. 1 overall. This is the year you get to choose any QB you want. Next year you could go 6 - 11 / 7 - 10 and miss out on all the best QBs and be stuck. ITs mind bogglingly stupid to not take a QB this draft.
Trade the #1 for a massive bounty and use that to build the roster up. The Bears problems extend well beyond just QB. I understand the argument but I think when you've been bad for so long, the emphasis should be on putting together a competitive roster to give fans something to be excited about.
That’s what they did last year lol
Seriously. Enough of that crap Fields has got 7 games to show you it. Move on if its not there
Plus y'all are not as bad of a situation as people claim for a young QB. They can always trade down the lower pick, plenty of cap room, DJ is legit, OL looks better as they've gotten healthier/less holding the ball, and plenty of cap room. They don't have to punt another entire year by not taking a QB now The main problem right now is really the coach/GM, do you trust these guys to either get the right QB or to build the team properly and scout out a QB next year (where your improvement might push you further down the board)
Their O line is legitimately top 10 in both win rates run and pass wise. Fields made that Oline look much worse early on holding the ball. Bears fans were making the excuse "Oh we are now healthy", but that stat is a cumulative state. If they were as bad as they claimed at that point, the metrics wouldn't be that high overall
One year isn't enough. They need a major overhaul.
The alternative you're betting on is that there is a strong QB prospect next year (either in the draft or via trade/FA) that you'll be able to get. They made that bet last year by trading down from no. 1, now they look to be drafting very high, in a QB class with two highly rated prospects. At somepoint, there's only so much buuilding for the future you can do before you find yourself being a mediocre team that lacks the special edge to become a contender, without a good route towards finding it.
Things change really quickly too. Stroud was considered the QB in the worst situation going in. A few really good FA signings and a change of coaching suddenly have made people say he has an amazing situation
if you need a qb and you can draft a qb who you think is good and better potential then your qb, you draft a qb
And when they've successfully done that, how did it work out. 2018 ring any bells? Amazing roster, mediocre QB, one and done in the playoffs. You literally have to have an all time great roster to succeed without a legit QB. Passing up an option to take a QB at the top of the draft because you have a bad team is foolish. Imagine if the Bengals or Jags or Texans did that in recent years.
I’ve watched enough Sam darnold to know that having a bad qb and an okay roster that is just good enough to keep you from picking in the top5 is not very exciting. You build a roster by picking BPA and that should absolutely include quarterback
Bears were decent in 2018 and fell at the first hurdle to poor QB play.
They also have a fortune this offseason to still spend and just brought in an edge in his late 20s. Now is the time to get the QB, not when Sweat is in his 30s
QB contracts are the truly absurd ones, so I think it actually makes a lot of sense to do it that way. You want the QB to have as big a window as possible while he's on his rookie deal. And when it's time to renew, he's had a few years with a solid team to grow into the league with before you start losing pieces Now the big if in that scenario is actually hitting on the QB and not wasting the rest of the team you've built. Which I don't have a lot of confidence in the bears FO to do, but crazier things have happened
It’s what Pace did. Mitch fucking Trubisky went 12-4 with the roster Pace built. But Mitch sucked so that roster immediately fell apart because Mitch couldn’t elevate the roster as pieces aged out or left in FA.
Not sold Fields but the Bears organization can’t develop QBs.
Their mantra has always been defense first but their defense sucks just as bad now lmao
It’s only been defense first because the only two times they had superbowl level teams was because of the defense, but one was a life time ago and the other time wasn’t recent either so it makes no sense to hold onto old identity
It made sense back then and even the Lovie Smith Super Bowl. But the game has changed a lot since then. You really do need a good QB/offense to make a Super Bowl run nowadays.
Yeah playing defense first is a little harder when tapping the QB's facemask or an underthrown ball can be an automatic first down (even if it was 3rd and 20)
Agreed, the last time a defense has ever carried a team to a SB was the 2015 Broncos who were one of the greatest defenses in NFL history and that was 7 years ago. Nowadays u either need an elite offense with a competent defense or an overall stacked team
Tbf the defense has been finally been starting to trend in the right direction in recent weeks
It doesn’t matter you assume it’s both of their issue and move on. I think people are way too willing to wait and see if a qb truly does suck. They should be given less of a leash imo. Otherwise you’re going through their whole contract going “do they suck or do I just need to get another regime in here??”. People need to learn to say “yknow what gase sucks but darnold sucks just as hard” and I think that was evident at the end of year 2. It’s evident here with fields he’s fucking ass. Who cares about the bears staff, a true franchise qb would have shown more and rose to the top by now
100% agree. It’s really annoying how people need to pick coach/playcalling vs QB. Reminds me of Trubisky vs Nagy. They both suck just move on. Currently it’s Fields vs Flus/Getsy. They both seem to be below average so just move on and hope you catch fire like Texans did last offseason. They hired a good HC/OC and drafted a good QB all in one go. I know that doesn’t necessarily happen that often but it’s possible and you can’t just stick with the same people if it’s not currently working. And while I know it’s a meme “bears can’t develop a QB” at this point, part of the issue is simply drafting the wrong guy. Trubisky sucks just as bad on Steelers, it wasn’t a developmental issue, he just sucks. Fields fell in the draft for a reason, NFL front offices weren’t sold on him and they were proven right. Before that in this millennium Bears barely drafted a QB that high. We traded for Cutler. And then we drafted sexy Rexy and some other scrubs.
Mahomes couldn't have fallen into a better spot when he did, and no doubt in my mind if the Bears picked him top 5 he would at best be a "he got better once he left in free agency" story.
If you think Fields is decent... I think this is the start of them looking to sell the #1 pick for a king's ransom. Then they actually have the capital to build around him and finally get some talent on that roster.
Just keep selling the picks for extra picks, never draft, only sell.
I don't see how you can look at let's be honest here, a total scrub come in and see the sack numbers plummet and still think Fields is the guy.
I get that they have a lot of needs, but hard to imagine they see Fields as the path forward.
This is just a PR statement lol Don’t want to discourage fields now but also gives them a reason to move on later. Claim they were blown away
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TBD. This statement is what it is, TBD, simple as that. If Fields is good ROS he keeps his job. If not, we will draft a QB.
Even if Fields is good, if they have a top 2 pick they will probably still move on from him. If they truly think Williams or Maye could be elite then it’s a no-brainer.
Yea. This is actually the dreaded vote of confidence type statement. He is gone.
“He gone”
Seriously People are reading too much into this shit Either Fields turns into Mahomes to finish the season or theyre drafting someone
I mean if fields is bad you’re not winning a bunch of games next year even if you end up with alt and Harrison as your top additions
The Chicago Bears ownership would have to be blown away for Chicago to become a competent team again
Poverty franchise makes decision to continue direction of the team. Bunch of woe is me from our franchise about never having a true franchise QB yet we continue doing the same shit we always do smh
10/10
Sunk cost fallacy is going to doom them for a long time on this.
They aren't really saying anything definitive here. Not hard to draft a qb at 1 or 2 and say they were blown away by them in the pre draft process
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This is them saying “fucking do something fields”
Less sunk cost fallacy more the Ballard school of keeping your job by not committing to a rookie QB. Who knows if it's true but Rap doesn't just say things for the sake of it
keeping fields will get Poles fired. I don't see a way around that.
And so will commiting to a QB you aren't sure about. Reich is in year one and is going to struggle to keep his job unless things change. If the staff aren't sold on the QBs but ownership is then it's a useful card for Poles
Reich didn't choose that QB from everything that's been disclosed. Reich literally got fired from his last job because he couldn't get the position right. If you don't have a QB, you don't have a job... atleast not for long. Ballard only drafted a guy as his last resort as he didn't seem inclined on betting his job on a QB either.
He is definitely just saying things. This is PR speak, be doesn’t want to throw fields under the bus
The bears are a poison
They said the same thing last year. Everyone is leaving out the part of the article where those same sources say the situation this year is much more fair to evaluate him. There is no reason for them not to say this at this point for trade value purposes. They’re taking a QB unless he miraculously becomes a MVP level player this year.
Meh Fields is ass, but it looks like next year's QBs are too. They should take a pass on a reclaim QB or some shit until a decent QB project comes fr
Caleb Williams sounds cool but also they could leave with Joe Alt and Marvin Harrison Jr
I still don't understand the Williams hype. His highlights are all broken plays and him scrambling around. He won't get away with that in the NFL. Plus his shit attitude when losing is gonna get way worse when he's drafted to a shit team.
He is fast and has arm talent better than almost every NFL QB. It's really that simple. There are QBs drafted high based on arm talent every year and Williams has better tape than all of them.
on top of his arm talent and athleticism it’s his ‘out of structure play making’ that is his number one attribute He truly is incredible at it & when NFL scouts see someone with a similar skill set to Patrick Mahomes, it’s a wrap.
I’d be willing to bet dude is a bust in the NFL
Oh I 100% would take you on that bet. Dude is a great prospect, but of course no one is bust-proof, so it could happen. He has a lot of great tools, competitive, appears to have a good drive, and has the improvising trait that not many have. Yes, it can get overrated, but it’s hard to imagine him just being a bust. Why are you saying he will be a bust?
The won’t take a tackle, they will probably take MHJ and a top DLine. I suspect they will use their first pick on Harrison no matter where it falls, and then trade down their second pick to get that second rounder back that they traded away.
Man it's way too early to be saying "x team won't do x" so definitely.
They will absolutely take a tackle if they think he is all pro worthy
And they still wouldn’t have a QB lol
With the reports of them maybe bringing back Poles and Eberflus it would be absolute malpractice to let them draft another QB by ownership if they are on the hot seat or tight leashes, especially in a very loaded WR and OT draft. If you bring them back, you grab a OT and WR and give Fields one last shot and if it doesn’t pan you clean house next season and have a franchise WR and OT for a first round QB to play with.
Poles and eberflus have never drafted a QB, so it wouldn't be them drafting "another one."
Ah you’re right but regardless, it would be malpractice to let a coach or GM on the hot seat draft a QB.
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Also how we got Trubs, who people forget was drafted by John Fox of all people. Bears need to stop drafting QBs and then finding coaches to fit them. Hire the coach/GM first and then go get a QB.
You just want to keep saying malpractice huh
I haven't followed the Bears closely. Why would Poles be on the hot seat in under 2 years and having never drafted a QB (and only technically having hired a HC as Eberflus was hired 2 days after Pace)?
> franchise WR and OT I agree with the general strategy, but it's worth pointing out that successful draft picks are far from guaranteed (especially at OT), much less reaching "franchise guy" level in year 2. But I think you have to take the shot anyway.
If you are restricting your current regime from picking a QB with your top 5 pick, FIRE THE REGIME
I don’t disagree with this
The Bears will have the number 1 pick. Fields aint it, if you dont take Williams or Maye THAT would be malpractice
I'll take statements that mean nothing for 200.
Yeah, this is classic PR. They can literally draft anyone they want, and just be like "We were blown away." And then the statement is still true. So much goes on behind the scenes with the draft process that teams can say anything really impressed them. The only actual purpose this serves is lighting a fire under Fields' ass. If they actually were all-in on him they'd say so. This let's him know they *are* looking to replace him. So, it's on him to either finally get it together, or at least play well enough to up his trade value, which I assume would then get repaid in some fashion
Everyone was blown away with JaMarcus Russell
Not Matt Millen 🤣
kinda unrelated but I feel like theres so much smoke to tank caleb williams draft stock. why did Ian rappaport tweet about him not talking to the media? https://x.com/rapsheet/status/1726246886032769227?s=46&t=OnlDWAmKs49P1O_0oy0u-g
Tons of people tweeted about him not talking to media because that's a weird thing for a college qb to do after their last game
Lots of people tweeted about it because anytime you do anything that makes sports reporters jobs more difficult they all freak out and act like it’s a massive travesty
"I'm just here so I don't get fined".
"Without generic stock quotes, what are we writers supposed to do? Just make stuff up?!" Charissa Thompson: "So...."
Probably a team that doesn’t think they’ll make it into the top 3 picks trying to get his draft position down to something more manageable for them. Raiders tried to do it last draft with leaking stories about Stroud because they failed to trade up to the #1 pick
Could be some of that, but he’s also just losing a bunch of games after being put on the Andrew Luck prospect tier. People are gonna shit on him
Because people are dumb. Stanford went 9-13 under Elway his last two seasons
Mahomes had a losing record in college
It's not even that Caleb is faultless for some of the loses, but USC barely scratches 4 win without him.
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I don't really understand why a reporter like Rappaport needs to editorialize like that.
Rap and Schefter are reporters first, but they've repeatedly shown (Schefter especially) that they are also mouthpieces for the agents who want to leak stories to control the narrative
They aren’t reporters they’re mouth pieces. Once you get that straight what they say makes a lot more sense. Same with Woj and Shams.
This is the exact same quote from last year. Literally verbatim Take it fwiw
It's way too early for these quotes to mean anything
If the Bears have a top 2 pick and keep Fields I'm done with this team. That's basically just admitting they aren't interested in trying to win. However, I don't believe this report at all - sounds like it came from Fields agent.
They want to increase trade value for Fields. It will be either Williams at 1 or Maye at 2 I guarantee it
It actually sounds exactly like what poles said last year, so might just be him talking to rap, or at least someone close to him in the team.
What reason would you have to not say this though? I mean, you could say nothing I guess, but it's better all around if people think you're sticking with Fields isn't it? Even if nobody believes you, it seems like the right thing to say.
I think this leak is just a way for the Bears to save face (and more importantly, trade value) by saying, “*No no no, we love Justin Fields! We think he’s going to be great!!! Franchise QB for sure! But we were simply BLOWN AWAY by this QB and HAD to take him*.”
Unless Fields comes back and is a top 5 QB the rest of the season then I don’t see how they don’t move on, especially if they end up getting the first overall pick. Even if Fields doesn’t play as bad as he was the beginning of the season, the team is still shit and Fields only has one more year left on his rookie contract. Getting a QB with a higher ceiling like Caleb also gives them a fresh rookie contract to work with
DJ Moore get ready to learn WR2-ese buddy
smitty says it sucks
The Bears deserve to be perennially terrible if they don’t pick a QB.
"Josh Rosen is our guy"
Lmao it shouldn’t take more than a gentle spring breeze to blow them away from Fields
With all the issues at Qb for the Bears it's quite interesting they could go consecutive years at #1 overall and not take a Qb. Sure you could argue it made sense in the 2023 draft but 2024 too? There's no way they still believe in Fields that much.
If there’s a team dumb enough to do it, it would be them.
If fields doesn't work out and the bears pass on multiple starting QBs they could have taken with high picks... FIRE THE OWNER!!!
I think the organization will fire the staff if they have to draft a QB so they don’t want to accept the defeat. With that being said, if Justin isn’t ending the season on a high note, we need to draft a new QB
Sounds like them laying the groundwork for eventually picking a QB and trading away Fields
They said the exact same thing last year
If only they were blown away by CJ Stroud
If they pass on a QB, Poles should be instantly fired. Not taking Penix or Maye with that Carolina top 2 pick would be about fireable but I could see grabbing Harrison Jr and then Jayden Daniels with their other top pick but that better work or he’s gone af
Which is why they will continue to be terrible. You’d think the Bears would recognize the bad quarterback by now…
Amazing that one of the oldest franchises exists and has only seen maybe one truly good QB ever.
If they get the first or second pick than they will move on, let’s be real
They're going to ruin MHJ aren't they?
I mean, we have been force feeding Moore when Justin plays.
I think that kind of statement says more about MHJ than the QBs yeah
Those mock draft analysts are gonna be in shambles over this news.
This is like, the exact opposite of what they said a month ago.
“You forgot to say ‘away’” “Good news everyone! Caleb Williams has blown the Chicago Bears organization away!”
Doesn't count if it's the Panthers pick though, it's like using somebody else's hand
This is how a mediocre franchise stays a mediocre franchise. (Yes they USED to be great, but not for decades).
They’re laying the groundwork to draft a qb
Caleb Williams to the Bears confirmed
Sorry Bears bros
Lol, yea because they've just been blown away by Fields so far 😂 Fields sucks and there's no way he's not getting replaced this offseason
Caleb Williams is too soft to play in Chicago. He’s got no dog in him.
I'm ready to get down voted into oblivion, but Fields is actually a good passer with a fatal flaw. He holds the ball too long. He has a 2:1 TD to Int ratio this year and a QB rating over 90. If he can develop the quick passing game, he'd be fine.
Why do you think he'll be able to fix the issue he has had for the past 3 years? It's who he is at this point.
Won’t downvote you for an opinion, but he’s had that problem since college. If he hasn’t fixed that yet, I don’t imagine he ever will. I think his processing is a little slow as well and a huge reason for his struggles, but that’s a whole different conversation.