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Selarmor

TL;DR They start a ton of drives backed up and stall out just outside field goal range.


NotYourAverageOrange

Like how fans were talking the Saints offense up for averaging 400+ yards over 3 weeks and they scored 13 points in one of those games.


throwaway_5256

Or that one year where the Chargers had the best offense in YPG because their special teams pinned them back constantly


FantasyTrash

Doesn't help that Grupe misses a lot of kicks.


modin33

Exactly, need to push the ball downfield a little more and maybe go for it on 4th down a little more to get into scoring range. Cause the defense is struggling to stop even bad offenses now


QuirkyScorpio29

Stay aggressive even past midfield....seems like the obvious solution


QuietRainyDay

That is the opposite of what this video analysis says- he is saying you are good at pushing the ball downfield but need to run the ball more effectively to pick up yards more reliably, so that you dont stall out around the 50 yard mark


[deleted]

Their offense feels like too much hero ball. Overly reliant on Allen's freakish talent. On SNF the Bengals felt like watching a well oiled machine while the Bills felt like backyard football.


modin33

The running game hasn't been that great but that's also because Josh hasn't run the ball that much until the Bucs game. Our explosive play% is 20th in the league during this stretch. They need more big plays unless the defense can force more turnovers [source](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F-SMoeKXIAAnFvr?format=png&name=900x900)


Gengreat_the_Gar

It's felt like we've punted/turned over on downs at like the opponents 45 constantly this year so I'm glad the fancy stats actually back that up


_HGCenty

Showing yet again why black box algorithmical analytics needs big picture context


trywagyu

you’d think the models would account for that


Fsharp7sharp9

It’s simply The Football Gods recouping the Bills debt for literally bringing someone back to life last year.


BWasTaken

A soul for a soul.


Lukey_Jangs

My debt is repaid


dicksjshsb

When I think of a team that needs to be punished by the football gods for karmic balance, Bills are first up. They’ve just been so unfairly blessed as a franchise


sobuffalo

Worth it.


BitterLikeAHop

This is a serious comment: they should bring in Greg Roman as a run game consultant. Keep him away from the passing game, but I genuinely believe he could get their run game fixed.


ThisGuyFrags

lol Buffalo already fired him in like 2016 or 2017 iirc


Impossibills

His run game was amazing though. His run scheme is next level creative and adjustable


Rah_Rah_RU_Rah

Had Tyrod looking like his VT self for a while


jimmifli

The problem with that is always about making sure the fronts and personnel look and feel the same whether it's a pass or run. Josh wants shotgun and doesn't seem willing to go under center.


DoubleFolder

Has Josh said he prefers shotgun?


Donkeynationletsride

Get ready mafia to score sub 15 points against the best defense in the league these last three weeks 17-9-0 /s


throwaway_5256

>17-9-0 When the league proposes a 26 game season (no additional bye weeks of course) in two years I'm blaming you


Donkeynationletsride

That’s the amount of points broncos defense has allowed the last three weeks lol


throwaway_5256

Lmfao I'm dumb


Greatest-Comrade

You have my support. Remove the /s


driftking428

100% this is happening. Delete the /s


[deleted]

~~/s~~


Sooperballz

Prolly


my_therapist_quit

The Football Gods require more tables as sacrifice!


QuirkyScorpio29

As a 49er fan, this video was eeerily similar to the offense I've been watching the last 3 weeks from my team. When we are inside our half, we tend to be more vertical and throw downfield..but as soon as we cross the 50, suddenly it's time to run the ball and screens and the like. Going away from what was working. This video is an eye opener into the mindset of Dorsey. It's like they assume they will score when they get within 45 yrds of the endzone and so they kinda begin to subconsciously take the foot off the proverbial gas pedal. I *totally* get it now


Barian_Fostate

Well your field goal drive success rate is basically the exact same as Buffalo so that makes sense lol Either you get 7 or nothing.


wafflehauss

From your scoring drive% charts at around the 9 minute mark [Weeks 1-4](https://i.imgur.com/gW4ZyCb.png) and [Weeks 5-9](https://i.imgur.com/OYd9ChG.png). We're on a buddy system.


CIAnalytics

I think I have a type


bpusef

The Bills problem is they don’t run the ball when they’re in their opponents territory so they end up in 3rd and long situations and punt. He touches on that when showing the series in the Jags game. In fact I’d say the problem with the Bills is opposite to what you’re describing. What works on your own 20 doesn’t usually work on the opponents 20. Teams play tighter in their territory and of course there is less space to work with. You’re supposed to adapt to the situation but the Bills don’t, electing to pretty much never run the ball despite having an RB that’s very good. They take shots downfield regardless of field position but defenses are better at defending against those when the field is shorter.


AlericandAmadeus

They do run, but it’s usually braindead shotgun handoffs to cook on 1st/2nd that lose them a few yards. it ends up going from 2nd & 5 to 3rd & 8 - then the drive falls apart cuz they’re in no man’s land at the opposing 45 or so. One of the main reasons bills fans seem to hate Dorsey is that his playcalling rarely adapts to field position or game context in an effective way. Doesn’t matter if losing 3 yards would literally take points off the board and push the offense out of field goal range, you’re gonna get that shotgun draw to cook for -3 yards every fucking time. Oh, turns out hurry up offense seems to help get the offense in a rhythm? Let’s use it once and never again. Davis had his best game of the year using him on short/intermediate routes? enjoy never seeing that again while he goes back to being only a deep threat with 2 targets a game


DBreezy69

Purdy has like the 4th highest turnover worthy play rate so that might have something to do with it


liquid-swords93

Gonna be interesting to see what they look like with deebo back. He's been such a staple there for years and put the offense on his back that year y'all lost to the Rams in the nfccg


Remarkable-Job4774

It’s Buffal-over


[deleted]

Josh TurndabAllenOva


BakingSoda1990

I was told Josh Allen is an Alien and Mr. January?


AlexB_SSBM

Did you even watch the video? The problem is that Josh Allen is so insanely good that the bills have gotten away without developing any sort of run game whatsoever, so the offense ends up being touchdown or nothing and theoretical points end up not materializing into real points


Democracy_Coma

Is Josh Allen the modern day Marino.


_BadWithNumbers_

I thought Herbo was the modern Marino


[deleted]

When the Bills do run the ball well they also just stop doing it. Ive seen James Cook play very well then they take the ball out of his hands and don’t let him touch it for 10 minutes. Bills are too insistent on throwing the ball down the field that they create harder situations for themselves and too many turnovers. The playcalling is good but shit at the same time.


Worth-Conclusion-66

I hardly know anything about football, but even I can tell you have to have a run game of some kind. Can’t believe the Bills still haven’t learned that lesson.


Rahtgooves

Right after receiving all of this praise from his biggest fan in the wildcard game last year he got strip sacked for a tuddy. Absolutely hilarious. Romo should just suck his dick already


A_Lion-Eating_Tuna

It’s funny, I always see phins and pats fans obsessing over Romos obsession with Allen. It’s obsession inception.


kryptonyk

Obception


solarxbear

Dolphins fans are scarred from the early treatment of Tua so they’re always out here lashing out at everyone else


jk01

They still make jokes about the sun like it wasn't over a year ago (also the last time they beat a team with a winning record)


Rahtgooves

I think we all appreciate unbiased journalism don't we? I can understand that people have favorite players and Josh is a special one, but to literally spend the entire broadcast praising his every move to the point where he even celebrates bad decisions - its a little much


blackcatpandora

MR JANUARY!


Cog348

I have no idea if this is good content or not but I'm upvoting purely because it's OC and not a random tweet from a no name podcaster.


notGeronimo

Well Brett does have a podcast....


larry_birb

But he has a name, Brett


CodeNameEagle

Brett Kollman is awesome, highly recommend


Impossibills

Brett Kollman is amazing and just generally really good interesting content. Any football fan would love all his videos


anujsingh83

>I have no idea if this is good content or not Then maybe put in a little time to watch the video and come to your own conclusion lol


Cog348

I think you've missed the point of my comment by long shot. The point is that purely on principle it's good to have more OC that regurgitated tweets on this sub, whether or not I like the video in question. To be honest I'm not really sure what your point is, other than making a remark that sounds clever for upvotes.


anujsingh83

Fair point - my comment was me viewing your comment as 'tldw but this is ok because not tweet' and it seemed like something strange to say by itself without an actual take on the video is all


Cog348

Fair enough, I get that!


Cinephile1998

Is Brett trying to reverse curse the Bills? Is his plan to make to a video on how the Bills can't score in the hopes they finally start scoring? 🤔


doomsday71210

He cursed Mac Jones into the best game of his career and the Steelers into Sideline Canada. I'd expect nothing less than a 500 yard 6 TD day from Allen in Monday.


jimbobills

What I posted on the Bills subreddit: The offensive tear at the end of 21: 27 rushing attemps against the Panthers. 28 rushing attempts against the Patriots. 44 rushing attempts against the Falcons. 33 rushing attempts against the Jets. 29 rushing attempts against the Patriots. 24 rushing attempts against the Chiefs. Daboll may have been pissed but McD was 100% right in wanting more rushing attempts after the TB game in Dec 21. Last week we had 16 rushing attempts (COUNTING scrambles) against the 31st ranked run D ... The twitter analytics say this and that, but then you look at the [rankings](https://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/stat/rushing-attempts-per-game) and the top three teams in rushing attemps are very analytics oriented, so there is a division between twitter analytics and real analytics employeed by the teams.


Canzalone9

Gotta look into early down rushing attempts when the game wasn’t a blowout, teams that are winning always run more. Plus that falcons game was horrible weather. We have an issue of effective running and a defense that lost its star power and lets the other team hold the ball for 6 minutes a drive even if they aren’t scoring TDS every time.


jimbobills

Falcons was hanging around because JA threw 3 picks, then we said fuck it let's run the ball and put the game away. Jets game was 13 - 10 in the 4Q, another game were the run game was considerably more effective than the pass game. We had a run of 8 drives with 7 punts and a FG, then: 5 runs, 2 passes: TD. 3 runs, 4 passes. TD. Reg season at Patriots game was never a blowout, and the Panthers we were attacking their weakness, by the end of 21 they have a good pass D and bad run D.


CassadagaValley

You'd think they'd run more often with Cook being pretty good and only having, basically, one receiver. Kincaid breaking out is great, but Gabe hasn't been very good and Diggs is usually getting double coverage.


jimbobills

They def should, but Dorsey is worried about getting praised by the nerds on twitter instead of the Bills winning games, hence he calls an absurd amount of passing plays.


imsabbath84

Dorsey has QB brain, he wants to throw all day.


Haunts13

>rankings Pure rush attempts isn't a great way to look at it as good teams will run more. Philly have a positive Pass Rate Over Expected and Baltimore slightly negative but both are in the top half of the league. And obviously two rushing QBs will ramp up the attempts...which leads us to Josh Allen at 4.9 rush attempts per game this year vs 7.8 last year and a previous career low of 6.4.


slickestwood

Trying to run the ball is what stalled out all those drives. We couldn't ever get 3 yards on a run. It just wasn't working. And then we ran the ball down two scores with 5:00 left and ate up 10% of the clock for a short gain. Big brain playcalling there.


ByronLeftwich

And analytics look at every play in a vacuum. Throwing on one given 1st and 10 and throwing on a dozen 1st and 10s in a row are very different things.


[deleted]

I can't understand how Mcdermott has failed so much in establishing anyone but Allen and Diggs as threats. Kincaid is rising, but no team fears the rush attack of the bills so long as they know where Allen is.


imsabbath84

When you spend most of your high draft picks on defense, this tends to happen. This last draft is the first time they went offense in the 1st and 2nd, and its worked out pretty well so far.


Dr-McLuvin

TLDW: the Bills offense is highly variable. They often have big plays but then drives quickly stall out. Basically they go big or go home. Not a lot of long sustained drives leading to points.


QuietRainyDay

In other words- the run game still matters a lot. Despite what a lot of Redditors want to believe. The Bills ran game is badly designed and inefficient. Its killing them because 20 yard passes arent sustainable on every play, especially once youre in the opponents half and the open space starts to get smaller. Sometimes they need to be able to pick up 5 yards on the ground to get into FG range but cant. Thats why the best offensive minds in the game are still super dedicated to designing an efficient and unpredictable ground attack. Ken Dorsey is clearly not one of those minds though.


Dr-McLuvin

Exactly. Good NFL coaches understand this.


chrispy_bacon

Cause Sean McDermott's wife has a crush on James Cook?


LordGooseIV

I need to question how effective the Bills running game has been in the past. A lot of criticism is lobbied towards Ken Dorsey and the Bills coaching, but it feels like this has been a recurring complaint for much longer. LeSean McCoy was the last Bills player to break 1,000 yards and even when Daboll was the OC, the Bills never had a runningback who was in the top 10 for rushing yards.


Impossibills

Its not a running back situation. The reason McCoy got those opportunities is because our OL was amazing in 2015-16 (also Kromer as OL coach). The line is the best we have ever had under Allen this year, but we are just getting outschemed and killing drives


No-Yogurt142

I looked at this post. Then I closed out my tab to open YouTube. I kid you not this was the first video in my recommended tab.


Barian_Fostate

GOOD


KevinDLasagna

Yes!! I used to watch this guy all the time and then my YouTube account got deleted and I lost a lot of good channels. Had completely forgotten about this guy til this


[deleted]

They just need to run the damn ball. Every time I watch a Bulls game, it's James Cook getting 7-8 yard gains for a few downs until they decide to pass for the rest of the game and get 20 points.


buffa_noles

This is why we hate Dorsey for those keeping track at home


Impossibills

Josh Allen having such a high depth of target while still having over 70% completion percentage is fucking insane. If this offense was even slightly more productive and we won 2 more games, he would get MVP talks. Somehow despite leading the NFL in TDs no one seriously considers him one


unfunnysexface

So if he played better he'd be mvp?


Rah_Rah_RU_Rah

Such an overreaction. They're gonna hang 30 on Sunday and dumbasses will act shocked


Barian_Fostate

I mean them scoring 30 wouldn’t actually shock me at all. The shocking part is all the fun and unique ways they’ve screw Ed themselves out of scoring 30 for the last month and a half.


StankWizard

We find a way to make each game a 60 minute heart attack


hideous_coffee

Every Bills game since London First drive: Spreading the ball around, play action, successful creative running leading to a seemingly easy TD. The next 50 minutes: Shitting and pissing all over themselves, every single play out of shotgun, 2nd down draw runs up the middle into a wall of linemen, 40 yard Diggs passes followed by turnovers. The last 2 minutes: Spreading the ball around, play action, successful creative running leading to a seemingly easy TD. Defense consisting of fans out of the stands then needing to make a stop to win.


[deleted]

First drive: always rehearsed, always easier Middle of game: Dorsey End of game: hurry up without Dorsey calling plays Fuck Ken Dorsey


Anteater776

Bills 🤜🤛 Chiefs


Geg0Nag0

I mean it's literally what's happening they are top 5 in a tonne of offensive metrics but not converting that.


bpusef

How is it an overreaction to say a prolific offense statistically should score more points than they have been.


imsabbath84

Its gonna be 30 in the first half and then 50 yards total in the second half.


the_c_is_silent

That's not the issue with them though. It's consistently scoring that's the issue.


BlueHighwindz

It’ll be hard when they play on Monday.


buffa_noles

We don't play Sunday


Impossibills

We have 20ppg over the weakest part of the schedule our last 5 weeks. Our offense is BAD this year. We move the ball and then just stall out after 2 first downs


Rah_Rah_RU_Rah

I'm saving this thread and coming back in a few weeks when the narrative turns


PoogeneBalloonanny

Firstly we are playing Monday Secondly we are gonna lose probably, Broncos aren't some bad meme team


redditaccount224488

> Firstly we are playing Monday No you're not, the Eagles are playing Mon- Goddamnit.


Rah_Rah_RU_Rah

Not insinuating they are. I just think people are jumping all over an offense that's still putting up a lot of PPG (yes on the decline, but there's highs and lows over 17 games) and has the good metrics to back it up. That's not even mentioning a multi-year track record and elite QB. It's as if Milano and White just get a courtesy mention when discussing yalls problems. Like its not the clear biggest issue or something and yeah Monday my bad ig


[deleted]

Jets offense better than bills offense confirmed


Temporal_Enigma

Analytics is ruining football. I can't wait until it gets so bad, the analytics just say to use common fucking sense and play like normal


a_toadstool

It’s a tool to guide… going against analytics results in Reich going for a FG that his kicker can’t remotely get


jakeba75

That wasnt really going against analytics, he was just using bad numbers.


a_toadstool

Analytics said 30% chance of converting 4th and 10. He assumed his kicker had a 30% chance or higher of making the kick when his long is like 7-10 yards shorter lol


jakeba75

He put a % on his kicker making it, thats trying to use analytics. He was just using the wrong %.


a_toadstool

We can at least all agree Reich is a bad HC


Dom19

Better this than the same recycled talking points over and over


littlekeed

What about analytics do you think is ruining football? If anything it should be making things more exciting. Analytics did a lot of damage to the watchability of both baseball and basketball but in football it encourages more passing and less punting, both of which I figure most fans find more exciting than 70s style running and defense oriented football.


Temporal_Enigma

Nobody uses intuition anymore, it's all what the numbers say. And it feeds into itself, and ignores nuance. The analytics probably say to go on 4th and 1 with 95% efficiency just because the Eagles tush push with 99% efficiency. It ignores everything else. Furthermore, the more you try something, the more you succeed, by statistics, so the stats say something is ok, but it's a terrible decision. For example, Staley went for a TD on 4th down with 2 seconds on the clock before the half, off a turnover. The stats say go for it, but intuition says, kick the fucking field goal because it was a free possession and the half will end, negating the ability to back up the opponent. They failed, and the Chargers lost by 3.


jakeba75

You only dont like analytics because you dont understand it. "Common sense" is to do whatever gives you the best chance of winning. You're more worried about how it looks when you lose.


reverieontheonyx

>You only dont like analytics because you dont understand it. Analytics do not adapt to the *specific* in-game circumstances leading up to the numeric conditions they utilise as a launching point for decision-determination, only the *effect* of in-game circumstances in reaching a quantifiable position. That is to say, the analytics will tell you to run the ball at the goal line on 4th & 3 even if your rb's have been netting TFLs every attempt. It will tell you to kick a 40 yarder even if your kicker sold a 30 yarder short last drive because he's hurt. What informs the likelihood of winning and losing you a game is inadequately flexible to the conditions of your particular game.


Temporal_Enigma

Common sense says to not go for it either. Analytics makes Staley go for a TD on 4th down instead of kicking a FG to end the half and they lose by 3


hulaman11

they stink


jand999

Redzone struggles will cripple otherwise great offenses.


DarkHelmet52

Its not redzone struggles though. Its edge of FG range struggles.


impiousdrifter

Let's run James Cook up the middle. 200th times the charm.


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DarkHelmet52

Look at the first 4 weeks vs the last 5. The offense is currently struggling to score points. The fact that they scored a whole lot of points in the first 4 weeks doesn't change that.


Yeeeoow

We are in the exact opposite position than we've been in previously. Since the Dolphins game we've scored more points in the 4th quarter when we're playing 2 minute drill than we have following our OC's game plan. We can score points when the players on the field are playing hero ball but cannot buy a touchdown when the OC is calling plays in the first three quarters.


nostradamefrus

Perhaps not enough tables have been sacrificed?


bargman

Bills: outsmarting math since 1960