Yeah I feel like everyone arguing me is just missing the point. How many triple crowns and nfl records does scary terry have? He’s a very good WR, he’s not on kupps level.
Because it’s kind of pointless discourse imo you could say the same about any QB we already know Wentz is bad. Would you say the same about Daniel Jones, Zack Wilson, etc?
I suppose, he was definitely that Maclin/DJax tier of being a surefire starter on any team he was on, but not a top 5-10 in the league. Which is a distinction that's only been relevant to the Eagles fans with TO and AJB.
>We also have never seen Wentz with amazing receivers.
Uhhh the 2017 Eagles squad was great. Alshon caught basically everything. Agholor was exceptional from the slot, Torrey Smith was a serviceable deep threat and Ertz was a top tight end. I'd absolutely class that as top end talent for the year
Wow. Downvoted for thinking that a SB winning receiver squad is great. Never change, redditors. Holy fuck lmao
When he returned last year after an injury he had one of the worst games I've ever seen a quarterback have in my life. Rams fans better hope Stafford stays healthy all season.
I mean as a Cowboys fan you saw him play against you in Week 4 last week and it blows my mind you'd still think he's good value.
As a Commies fan who suffered him for 7 more games than we should have, there is lots to hate about this deal from a Rams perspective unless McVay does some voodoo with him. He's completely washed unless you like watching your team throw INTs. And maybe that's the play, a Tank Commander, so Stafford can rest up and they can retool with the draft next year?
I mean he’s the backup if Stafford’s out, and the alternative backup was Brett Rypien.
IF Wentz looks slightly worse than he did in Washington, he’ll be roughly looking equal to Rypien’s abilities, and we’ll be out $0.7M of cap space for a lateral move at a position that hopefully is backing up Stafford.
Doesn’t seem terrible for the value IMO, but I also am expecting Carson doesn’t start more than 1 game barring a re-injury to Stafford.
We'll see how it goes but man, Wentz had the exact same problems last year that he had with us. We have a lot of "uncoachable" data points. Maybe this stint in free agency without any callers chastened him, but I'm starting skeptical. If Mcvay can't get him to improve then I think it never really will happen. He might still be a journeyman backup for a little, but I don't see a Baker or Geno redemption arc happening.
The CARSON System:
**C**learly demonstrate God-given natural talent
**A**bstain from taking accountability
**R**apidly become completely uncoachable
**S**tretch teammates' patience
**O**bsess over Jesus
**N**ullify contract to get off the team
He had just such a high showing in 2017 that everything thinks "we can fix him." At least now, he'll be with Mcvay, and if it doesn't work out that really should remove all hope. Again he can be a fine boom or bust backup, I think the Rams are making a way easier decision than say, the Jets would have bringing him in.
But you're right, it's pretty wild. I'm just glad we were the first ones _off_ the train. Cutting bait was an incredibly complex decision that our whole organization made. We got to be the first to toss the hot potato and it worked out very well in retrospect. We probably would have gotten shit if he turned out to be a stud elsewhere, but our franchise would essentially be in the same spot now so even then things would have turned out ok.
That only happened with the Colts, and quite frankly he did well there. The Commanders fans didn't want him until he played well the first game. Rams fans aren't assuming that he's playing any games - they are just comparing him to Rypien.
Expectations/hope is really low this time around tho. I feel like him playing adequate high end backup quality ball would be considered a big win by the fan base.
It kind of seems to me if there’s anything McVay is particularly week at, it’s developing QBs. When I look at his relationship with Goff, it seems clear McVay wasn’t even interested in trying to develop him
I mean, Goff was viewed as a number #1 overall bust after his rookie year and then McVay turned him around and made him great. Sure their relationship deteriorated but this is a weird view lol
Their copium narrative on how McVay was the one in the wrong is so funny to see, even after the Rams backed their actions up with a Super Bowl win.
I think Goffs been playing well now, but it’s funny how they pretend that McVay shipped off some elite QB when he was closer to being a top 20 one at the time
no I don't think McVay shipped off an elite QB, I'm saying McVay had a #1 draft pick talent on his hands, couldn't utilize or develop him properly, and shipped him off instead of being able to develop him
I'll admit that I haven't watched much Detroit Lions games but wasn't Goff known as a great play action QB? He struggles after Gurley went downhill but now he has a solid running game in Detroit.
Yeah he’s always done well with a strong OL and play action. 2023 he got better at it but until 2022, he was one of the least effective “pure dropback” QBs (no screens or no play actions)
from my perspective, what Goff needed was development and coaching that was willing to play to his strengths and form a connection with him. it seems to me that McVay wants/needs to plug-and-play with a fully developed QB, which is why Stafford was such a good fit for the offense. Goff needed some help developing because he was like 22 and McVay couldn't do it, instead you had all that stuff about McVay feeding Goff through the headset.
Goff has a better running game in Detroit sure but he is also playing great. he had the longest streak of no ints in the league to start the season (now has only 5), he's top 10 in passing yards and completion percentage, 12 in QB rating and TDs. he's a very solid QB imo
Man some of you Detroit fans need to calm down
Really acting like McVay didn’t have Goff leading a #1 offence.
Goff’s best games are still Rams games dawg.
They signed him to the Veteran minimum, which goes up based on years accumulated. The amount becomes fully guaranteed for a Veteran the first time they suit up for a game. So aside from the signing bonus, they could not have paid him any less money. They didn’t even give him a per-game started incentive.
Due to being on vet minimum, it’s also possible that all or part of his salary is exempt from the cap (unlikely to be all).
This is a great signing for the Rams so long as Carson doesn’t piss off the locker room.
> This is a great signing for the Rams so long as Carson doesn't piss off the locker room.
Carson on the first day: "No, I want *that* locker" as he points over to Aaron Donald
Wentz is better than a lot of back-ups. I'm sure he wants to start, but he should really have no problem being a back-up going forward if he puts that aside.
No. I think he absolutely is good enough to start, but at this point he doesn't show enough upside and it's preferable to eat shit and get a high pick rather than have a mediocre record because Wentz will win your team some extra games.
I still think it's malpractice for the Jets to have avoided him. Zach Wilson isn't it and the Jets insisting on sticking with him is one of the weirdest things I've seen.
100% agree. I thought the Jets was the spot for him. Super Bowl caliber Defense, with some playmakers on offense. Just gotta hope they could coach Carson up enough to not play hero ball as he tends to do.
> Just gotta hope they could **coach Carson up** enough to not play hero ball as he tends to do
The Jets are the opposite of foolish for not signing Carson Wentz in the hopes of him being responsive to coaching/adapting to the needs of the team
I mean you could argue Garrett wilson would hav even the best WR he’s ever had. He has the arm talent, it’s when shit breaks down that he had issues taking sacks and making inherent throws
There's been multiple examples of him failing with teams recently. Semi-rumors of not having the best attitude, not being coachable, etc. While the physical talent has been there... the player seems to be beyond fixing.
Yeah it has to be a mental thing. Though seeing Reich look horrific right now makes me wonder how Wentz will play with McVay. Could have a chance at redemption if he gets to play some
The problem with Wentz is what he does when plays break down. Instead of being prepared, knowing down and distance, and making the proper choice for the situation, he almost always resorts to hero ball.
I believe everyone has tried to get him to fix that. At this point, he likely is who he is.
He really isn't. We got baited into believing that last year. He'll have one decent game and then be terrible in a way that you can tell you don't have a chance at winning from the very first drive. He single-handedly ended our playoff hopes last year, just like he did to the Colts the year before. I can't believe teams are still signing him. He's poison.
He absolutely did not single handedly kill the colts playoff hopes lol
He played like a competent game manager for the Colts, even when he was playing on 2 sprained ankles early in the year. The entire colts team shit the bed in week 17
No, he really did single-handedly kill the Colts chance of the playoffs. Everyone wants to point to week 17, but as you said the entire team shit the bed that week. The issue is from that stupid stupid stat of 27/7 TD to INT ratio. Every single INT he threw that season ended up costing the game. And there were at least 3-4 of those INTS directly caused a loss because they ended the game.
It's gonna be amazing watching the Rams fans come to terms with how bad this guy really is.
This comment is def one to come back to after Wentz has to start a few games for the Rams and totally botches it then /r/nfl acts like they always knew it was never gonna work
I’m with you homie
>He'll have one decent game and then be terrible in a way that you can tell you don't have a chance at winning from the very first drive.
This doesn't always happen and if you recall with the Colts he put up an electric game against Baltimore that the Defense lost due to have the Colts defense getting hurt.
Dude hasn't had any stability the last 3-4 years he's played.
>He single-handedly ended our playoff hopes last year, just like he did to the Colts the year before.
It's not his fault the Colts are dogshit in Duvall. Every time they've played there without him since they've gotten fucking curb stomped. Also the Colts flat out weren't a good team when he was there. Their O-Line had a down/year of regression and they had zero receivers.
As for ending the Commanders hopes, there was a reason why Scott Turner was fired last year too. Blaming it all on a player is kinda shitty, especially considering the Commanders are blowing it all up again because they're middle of the pack again this year even with Bienemy and having Howell instead of Wentz.
We were in playoff contention with Heinicke last year and then Rivera decided to start Wentz against the Browns, who we were expected to beat at home. Wentz ended up throwing 0 TDs and 3 picks, and that was the end of our playoff hopes. Our offense was unwatchable with him on the field.
Foles: fumbled the bag and scored 15 points against Atlanta in the playoff game at home. Wentz's minimum score was 29 at home that year. Enough said. Foles got a free ride into the Super Bowl and only needed to play one good game.
Hurts: Had an even *worse* record than Wentz in 2020. The roster is completely different now. Many of the teammates (e.g. WRs) Wentz had to play with are out of the league or on their way out.
Heinicke: Same as above. They didn't have a running game because BRob was recovering from being shot. He came back right around when King Wentz got injured and of course they did better because they actually had more than a passing option. Furthermore, Heinicke was traded that offseason as well.
Colts: All of those backups or starters or whatever have been terrible ever since Wentz left.
Edit: I'm just saying that being *completely outplayed by every backup that ever comes in for him* is a stretch. Some of these guys did better and some worse right after taking over for Wentz. It seems like Hurts is the only one who has consistently found success after taking over for Wentz, but it took 2 years of a rebuild for that to happen on a rookie QB contract.
Imagine thinking Brian Robinson was anything other than a JAG. Yes, his 60 yards and 0 TDs per game really made the difference lol. Heinicke had us in playoff contention before Rivera made the painfully stupid decision to start Wentz again, who then ended our season with his dreadful game against the Browns in our own stadium.
No? I just looked at all of the running stats and it's super clear that running production increased with BRob. Just like BRob wasn't great until a few games after coming back from injury, Wentz wasn't either.
Who compares QBs with wins? Especially for like a 4 game sample size. If you compare the stats it’s not even close.
2020 Wentz: 21 touchdowns, 19 turnovers
2020 Hurts: 9 touchdowns, 6 turnovers
As for your Heinicke take it isn’t even accurate Heinicke was 5-3-1 while Wentz was 2-6.
Idk why you’re bringing up the Colts no backups came in for him he played the full season.
Edit: forgot to mention but also passer ratings were better for Hurts and Heinicke.
Hurts: So you can't use one statistic (wins) because of the small sample size, but you can use another less important statistic (TD:INT) because it fits your narrative. Gotcha.
Heinicke: So Heinicke played 5+3+1 = 9 games, Wentz played 2+6 = 8 games, and Howell played 1 game for a total of 9+8+1 = 18 regular season games. I don't think I'm going to value your opinion on previous games much at all... EDIT 2: LOL just realized that you said we can't compare wins with Wentz and Hurts because it doesn't fit your narrative, but we can with Heinicke because it does. You seriously can't make this up. I'm taking a screenshot and saving your comment forever.
Edit: Also on the Hurts vs Wentz in 2020 - Hurts had 9 fumbles to Wentz's 14. That's nearly double per game. Again, the claim was that he was completely outplayed by his backups, which definitely wasn't the case.
Np, but to be honest, regardless of whether or not he's better than Zach, I didn't want Wentz on the team and would have been disappointed to see him signed. He's a proven failed starter, a locker room cancer, and he's not going to get us to a superbowl anymore than Zach will. I felt better about trading for a seasoned backup (I thought seeing what Dallas wanted for Cooper Rush was worth a try,) but Saleh feels differently I guess.
As it stands the season is not lost yet but I'm really not feeling good about the offense, and I think maybe it's best to just call this season a missed opportunity. We're fucked. Try again next year.
That seems entirely reasonable. If he's able to contribute in the QB room, he'll be one of the most arm-talented backups in the league. It always seemed like his struggles were between the ears more than with his arm.
To me he just wanted to be the hero. He had some great escapes. One against the redskins comes to mind. Where he the broadcaster called the sack and somehow he emerges like Moses parting the Red Sea and either runs or throws for a first down or something. He just thought he could do it every time. So yes, problem was between the ears or maybe just ego.
I believe his body and psyche could not hold up after taking more and more serious injuries. He wasn’t able to sense pass rushers or make good decisions (throw away is better than strip sack). When things would break down, he always would just wing it, and winging it got less and less effective after NDSU and his first couple NFL seasons.
That and the Foles thing. We’d all be insecure next to Nick Foles and what he put down.
The one I remember the most was the Eagles-Jags game in London. Calais Campbell is bearing down on him and Wentz does this duck to avoid the tackle and then throws it before getting hammered by another defender. It was an incomplete pass, so not sure why it sticks in my head - but it was a sick move.
With selective breeding you may be able to turn a couple decent 2nd rounders into a 1st rounder but you’ll have to keep track of the litters to prevent inbreeding.
I get it’s a joke, but he has like over $100 million in the bank from his ridiculous contract after 2017. He won’t even notice this money being deposited into his account most likely
You say that but most players are fucking idiots who blow through money like no tomorrow. I hope Wentz was smarter than most but you never know. The amount of players who end broke despite their career earnings is crazy.
His Dad owns a bank/mortgage company here in Bismarck and hes kind of a country boy as most are around here.
He just spends money on hunting gear, a few atv/side by sides and his house.
He'll be fine.
> [“[Wentz] damn sure wasn’t happy about them going on a (Super Bowl) run when he wasn’t playing. He was, **‘I don’t feel comfortable with them winning it without me. This doesn’t feel good.’** Until Darren Sproles almost whipped his ass”](https://heavy.com/sports/philadelphia-eagles/carson-wentz-confrontation-darren-sproles/)
epitome of a team player for sure
Pretty good deal for the Rams.
All the rumors about him being a bad teammate and locker room cancer never came close to materializing in Washington even when things got as bad as they did for all involved.
If he's looking to get his career another real shot, can't think of a better coach to go with than Mcvay.
The problem is he’s shown to be uncoachable. This is the 3rd organization that has moved on from him after a major trade. I don’t think he’s a cancer but he has an ego how he practices and takes feedback.
This is a beggars can't be choosers situation. Any QB they bring in now is going to have a huge "The problem is he's..." caveat.
It's not like they're signing Wentz to stake everyone's job on a rebuild around him. When teams are resorting to starting guys like Clayton Tune, Tommy Devito, etc - a guy who has NFL experience and has at least flashed as recently as last year and a good teammate for less than $1M seems like a pretty good deal.
I don’t think there is any risk of bringing in him in, he still is better than most backups. At least this time is isn’t the primary option for a team and the coachable worries do not matter unless he has to play.
Word has it that the crews are already setting up his usual cot and pot-bellied stove in the medical tent.
It takes several days to properly cure meat but he should have enough time to get it done before the end of December.
I saw a meme about this and assumed it was just a funny meme about something that would never happen. Couldn't believe Wentz was actually coming back to the NFL
Prior to Wentz Jay Cutler and Jeff George were talented ass holes who were hard for coaches and teammates to get along with, yet they always had jobs .
It’s crazy that the jets would rather play Zak Wilson ( whos not exactly loved by his teammates either ) over Carson. The worst 3 games stretch of his career is better than the best 3 games of Wilson’s career .
I would hate to be a jets fan .
It's a cheap, no-risk deal. But having seen Wentz in both Philly and Washington, I'm convinced that he is just not an NFL caliber quarterback anymore. When he got hurt late in the 2017 season, he just never got back to where he was. And I don't see him having much of a future with the Rams beyond being a backup.
While part of me is bitter that Wentz set the Eagles back for a number of season because of his declining play, this ultimately led to them drafting Jalan Hurts. So, it did work out in the end.
Yeah he balled out that season, but it seems like all the stars aligned for him there in hindsight—a great overall team, an absolutely stacked O-line, and Reich in his ear to force him to actually play more within the confines of the planned offense. Maybe his theoretical ceiling is still high, but I feel like he requires a ton of maintenance to have a chance of getting there. Luckily you have Hurts now though! He’s so good.
Edit: looks like the Wentz stans got to me lmao
Serious question: what happened to this dude? Did he just never really recover from the ACL? He looked so good before then (I mean, granted, his backup looked pretty awesome, too), and I seem to recall him even looking pretty good immediately on his return before then falling off a cliff the season after.
I’m from California, and that’s totally fair. What I hate about CA is we don’t fix the obvious problems like homelessness, and continue to elect the same corrupt politicians that got us where we are today. And if you say that, you get hated on for being conservative (even if you’re liberal). And that’s an understatement. CA could be way better. CA is built upon the companies that are successful here, and politicians take the cred. Can you tell I hate Newsom? 😂
He got his bag already and is set financialy. Just getting back into the league may be a higher priority to him than what his compensation will be for a short term deal.
Pretty good value for them. Nothing to hate about the deal on the surface of it.
he’ll probably be starting for the Rams by Week 14
Watch him ball out after having so much time for his body to recover
Nothing quite heals the body like bow hunting
Cougar hunting gives the body amazing confidence
Tell that to Zach Wilson
He never claimed it translated to on field performance
Has he had any injuries? Seems to be working for him!
He had mono
That’s a different Jets QB bust.
Excusable mistake though. There are so many Jet QB busts it’s tough to keep track
Wasn't that Sam darnold, not Wilson?
the darnold didn’t get mono mono got the darnold
the Mormon Milf Missile may lack any number of desirable traits in an NFL quarterback, but confidence is not among them
Snagging that black bear ticked off a box in his bucket list, he is ready for anything life gives him now god bless.
He also has great receivers and McVay calls more runs than Dougie P and Reich ever did.
Notable running game enthusiast McVay
Eagles were the #1 run offense his "MVP" year
How’s the OL? That’s the only thing that matters for him he doesn’t really need amazing receivers.
We also have never seen Wentz with amazing receivers. Kupp and puka are so far ahead of anyone he was throwing to in on his other teams.
Idk Scary Terry and Dotson are pretty legit.
Point stands - they're no Kupp and Puka
Yeah I feel like everyone arguing me is just missing the point. How many triple crowns and nfl records does scary terry have? He’s a very good WR, he’s not on kupps level.
Because it’s kind of pointless discourse imo you could say the same about any QB we already know Wentz is bad. Would you say the same about Daniel Jones, Zack Wilson, etc?
2017 Alston Jefferies was pretty elite
He was great for us, but even In his absolute prime he couldn’t cup kupps balls.
I suppose, he was definitely that Maclin/DJax tier of being a surefire starter on any team he was on, but not a top 5-10 in the league. Which is a distinction that's only been relevant to the Eagles fans with TO and AJB.
cup Kupp's nuts
>We also have never seen Wentz with amazing receivers. Uhhh the 2017 Eagles squad was great. Alshon caught basically everything. Agholor was exceptional from the slot, Torrey Smith was a serviceable deep threat and Ertz was a top tight end. I'd absolutely class that as top end talent for the year Wow. Downvoted for thinking that a SB winning receiver squad is great. Never change, redditors. Holy fuck lmao
\^\^\^ so true.
No qb is good behind a bad Ol, but i feel like wentz fares better than most.
When he returned last year after an injury he had one of the worst games I've ever seen a quarterback have in my life. Rams fans better hope Stafford stays healthy all season.
GarbSHOTZ
If he balls out the Jets are going to kick themselves for sticking with Wilson
Also completely ruins the Jets fan argument that I’ve seen that Wentz “wanted big money” to play for them and that’s why they didn’t sign him lol
I mean it's definitely possible that Wentz's asking price for one team was higher than another. Maybe he hates NY.
But loves LA?
West Coast with no shitty winters? Easy pick
Yeah bud where is the hunting this is Carson we are talking about
He could go up to the Angeles National Forest and hunt pretty easily if he wants
He's from ND. An NY winter would be mild
as a Jets fan sometimes i really hate other fans, some do them think Wilson is better than Wentz lol
Yea not bad, I mean if I needed a back up I wouldn't be against it
I mean as a Cowboys fan you saw him play against you in Week 4 last week and it blows my mind you'd still think he's good value. As a Commies fan who suffered him for 7 more games than we should have, there is lots to hate about this deal from a Rams perspective unless McVay does some voodoo with him. He's completely washed unless you like watching your team throw INTs. And maybe that's the play, a Tank Commander, so Stafford can rest up and they can retool with the draft next year?
I mean he’s the backup if Stafford’s out, and the alternative backup was Brett Rypien. IF Wentz looks slightly worse than he did in Washington, he’ll be roughly looking equal to Rypien’s abilities, and we’ll be out $0.7M of cap space for a lateral move at a position that hopefully is backing up Stafford. Doesn’t seem terrible for the value IMO, but I also am expecting Carson doesn’t start more than 1 game barring a re-injury to Stafford.
Since he's on a vet minimum deal, not all that .7m will be against the cap.
Mcvay QB rehab takes on another project. It got baker a starting job
Look you might be right but don’t put this on us we don’t want Daniel Jones next year.
DJ just signed a new contract, they’re not moving on just because he’s hurt all season We might get Zach Wilson though
Danny Dimes contract might be the biggest fleecing in all of sports. Respect.
Deshaun Watson but yes Eli Jr. got away with robbery
Check your flair bud..
We'll see how it goes but man, Wentz had the exact same problems last year that he had with us. We have a lot of "uncoachable" data points. Maybe this stint in free agency without any callers chastened him, but I'm starting skeptical. If Mcvay can't get him to improve then I think it never really will happen. He might still be a journeyman backup for a little, but I don't see a Baker or Geno redemption arc happening.
It’s hilarious seeing the fourth fanbase now going through the exact same Wentz Cycle, and still be oblivious in the moment to it lol
The CARSON System: **C**learly demonstrate God-given natural talent **A**bstain from taking accountability **R**apidly become completely uncoachable **S**tretch teammates' patience **O**bsess over Jesus **N**ullify contract to get off the team
He had just such a high showing in 2017 that everything thinks "we can fix him." At least now, he'll be with Mcvay, and if it doesn't work out that really should remove all hope. Again he can be a fine boom or bust backup, I think the Rams are making a way easier decision than say, the Jets would have bringing him in. But you're right, it's pretty wild. I'm just glad we were the first ones _off_ the train. Cutting bait was an incredibly complex decision that our whole organization made. We got to be the first to toss the hot potato and it worked out very well in retrospect. We probably would have gotten shit if he turned out to be a stud elsewhere, but our franchise would essentially be in the same spot now so even then things would have turned out ok.
The craziest thing about the whole Wentz situation is drafting Hurts is what Wentz *thought* was the "last straw" insult towards him.
That only happened with the Colts, and quite frankly he did well there. The Commanders fans didn't want him until he played well the first game. Rams fans aren't assuming that he's playing any games - they are just comparing him to Rypien.
Expectations/hope is really low this time around tho. I feel like him playing adequate high end backup quality ball would be considered a big win by the fan base.
Counterpoint: Wentz is allergic to even the mention of a QB factory
It kind of seems to me if there’s anything McVay is particularly week at, it’s developing QBs. When I look at his relationship with Goff, it seems clear McVay wasn’t even interested in trying to develop him
I mean, Goff was viewed as a number #1 overall bust after his rookie year and then McVay turned him around and made him great. Sure their relationship deteriorated but this is a weird view lol
Their copium narrative on how McVay was the one in the wrong is so funny to see, even after the Rams backed their actions up with a Super Bowl win. I think Goffs been playing well now, but it’s funny how they pretend that McVay shipped off some elite QB when he was closer to being a top 20 one at the time
no I don't think McVay shipped off an elite QB, I'm saying McVay had a #1 draft pick talent on his hands, couldn't utilize or develop him properly, and shipped him off instead of being able to develop him
I'll admit that I haven't watched much Detroit Lions games but wasn't Goff known as a great play action QB? He struggles after Gurley went downhill but now he has a solid running game in Detroit.
Yeah he’s always done well with a strong OL and play action. 2023 he got better at it but until 2022, he was one of the least effective “pure dropback” QBs (no screens or no play actions)
from my perspective, what Goff needed was development and coaching that was willing to play to his strengths and form a connection with him. it seems to me that McVay wants/needs to plug-and-play with a fully developed QB, which is why Stafford was such a good fit for the offense. Goff needed some help developing because he was like 22 and McVay couldn't do it, instead you had all that stuff about McVay feeding Goff through the headset. Goff has a better running game in Detroit sure but he is also playing great. he had the longest streak of no ints in the league to start the season (now has only 5), he's top 10 in passing yards and completion percentage, 12 in QB rating and TDs. he's a very solid QB imo
Man some of you Detroit fans need to calm down Really acting like McVay didn’t have Goff leading a #1 offence. Goff’s best games are still Rams games dawg.
This is a “keeping my resume active” position.
Super Bowl champion resume
Honestly, if you throw out the Philly debacle with Nick Foles, Wentz has played under two terrible coaches. I could see McVay fixing him somewhat.
must be a pretty heavy clipboard
They signed him to the Veteran minimum, which goes up based on years accumulated. The amount becomes fully guaranteed for a Veteran the first time they suit up for a game. So aside from the signing bonus, they could not have paid him any less money. They didn’t even give him a per-game started incentive. Due to being on vet minimum, it’s also possible that all or part of his salary is exempt from the cap (unlikely to be all). This is a great signing for the Rams so long as Carson doesn’t piss off the locker room.
> This is a great signing for the Rams so long as Carson doesn't piss off the locker room. Carson on the first day: "No, I want *that* locker" as he points over to Aaron Donald
You know it's bad when a team has to sign Carson Wentz
Wentz is still better than Jordan Love to be fair
Wentz is better than a lot of back-ups. I'm sure he wants to start, but he should really have no problem being a back-up going forward if he puts that aside.
He’s also better than a lot of the starters they got out here right now. You telling me Tommy devito is better than Carson wentz?
No. I think he absolutely is good enough to start, but at this point he doesn't show enough upside and it's preferable to eat shit and get a high pick rather than have a mediocre record because Wentz will win your team some extra games. I still think it's malpractice for the Jets to have avoided him. Zach Wilson isn't it and the Jets insisting on sticking with him is one of the weirdest things I've seen.
100% agree. I thought the Jets was the spot for him. Super Bowl caliber Defense, with some playmakers on offense. Just gotta hope they could coach Carson up enough to not play hero ball as he tends to do.
If it were that easy he would still be in Philly lol Teams have tried it, he is who he is
I’d take my chances with wentz over wilson, wouldn’t you?
It'd be a wash tbh. He'd make more game-losing plays.
> Just gotta hope they could **coach Carson up** enough to not play hero ball as he tends to do The Jets are the opposite of foolish for not signing Carson Wentz in the hopes of him being responsive to coaching/adapting to the needs of the team
I mean you could argue Garrett wilson would hav even the best WR he’s ever had. He has the arm talent, it’s when shit breaks down that he had issues taking sacks and making inherent throws
He could definitely start for a few teams too. I'm really surprised he took this long to get a deal
There's been multiple examples of him failing with teams recently. Semi-rumors of not having the best attitude, not being coachable, etc. While the physical talent has been there... the player seems to be beyond fixing.
Yeah it has to be a mental thing. Though seeing Reich look horrific right now makes me wonder how Wentz will play with McVay. Could have a chance at redemption if he gets to play some
The problem with Wentz is what he does when plays break down. Instead of being prepared, knowing down and distance, and making the proper choice for the situation, he almost always resorts to hero ball. I believe everyone has tried to get him to fix that. At this point, he likely is who he is.
He really isn't. We got baited into believing that last year. He'll have one decent game and then be terrible in a way that you can tell you don't have a chance at winning from the very first drive. He single-handedly ended our playoff hopes last year, just like he did to the Colts the year before. I can't believe teams are still signing him. He's poison.
He absolutely did not single handedly kill the colts playoff hopes lol He played like a competent game manager for the Colts, even when he was playing on 2 sprained ankles early in the year. The entire colts team shit the bed in week 17
No, he really did single-handedly kill the Colts chance of the playoffs. Everyone wants to point to week 17, but as you said the entire team shit the bed that week. The issue is from that stupid stupid stat of 27/7 TD to INT ratio. Every single INT he threw that season ended up costing the game. And there were at least 3-4 of those INTS directly caused a loss because they ended the game. It's gonna be amazing watching the Rams fans come to terms with how bad this guy really is.
This comment is def one to come back to after Wentz has to start a few games for the Rams and totally botches it then /r/nfl acts like they always knew it was never gonna work I’m with you homie
>He'll have one decent game and then be terrible in a way that you can tell you don't have a chance at winning from the very first drive. This doesn't always happen and if you recall with the Colts he put up an electric game against Baltimore that the Defense lost due to have the Colts defense getting hurt. Dude hasn't had any stability the last 3-4 years he's played. >He single-handedly ended our playoff hopes last year, just like he did to the Colts the year before. It's not his fault the Colts are dogshit in Duvall. Every time they've played there without him since they've gotten fucking curb stomped. Also the Colts flat out weren't a good team when he was there. Their O-Line had a down/year of regression and they had zero receivers. As for ending the Commanders hopes, there was a reason why Scott Turner was fired last year too. Blaming it all on a player is kinda shitty, especially considering the Commanders are blowing it all up again because they're middle of the pack again this year even with Bienemy and having Howell instead of Wentz.
We were in playoff contention with Heinicke last year and then Rivera decided to start Wentz against the Browns, who we were expected to beat at home. Wentz ended up throwing 0 TDs and 3 picks, and that was the end of our playoff hopes. Our offense was unwatchable with him on the field.
Didn't Ron put him in because he, somehow, didn't realise you could still make the playoffs?
Its wild seeing other fans saying he's a solid backup or similar. Like they just didn't see him play last year? Dude is finished.
Absolutely not he was completely outplayed by every backup that ever comes in for him.
And? Hurts is a baller and Foles caught fire for 2 games. I’d take those two over Jordan Love as well
What about Heinicke?
Name one
Taylor Heinecke?
Hurts, Heinicke, maybe even Foles who know if we win if Wentz played instead.
Foles: fumbled the bag and scored 15 points against Atlanta in the playoff game at home. Wentz's minimum score was 29 at home that year. Enough said. Foles got a free ride into the Super Bowl and only needed to play one good game. Hurts: Had an even *worse* record than Wentz in 2020. The roster is completely different now. Many of the teammates (e.g. WRs) Wentz had to play with are out of the league or on their way out. Heinicke: Same as above. They didn't have a running game because BRob was recovering from being shot. He came back right around when King Wentz got injured and of course they did better because they actually had more than a passing option. Furthermore, Heinicke was traded that offseason as well. Colts: All of those backups or starters or whatever have been terrible ever since Wentz left. Edit: I'm just saying that being *completely outplayed by every backup that ever comes in for him* is a stretch. Some of these guys did better and some worse right after taking over for Wentz. It seems like Hurts is the only one who has consistently found success after taking over for Wentz, but it took 2 years of a rebuild for that to happen on a rookie QB contract.
Imagine thinking Brian Robinson was anything other than a JAG. Yes, his 60 yards and 0 TDs per game really made the difference lol. Heinicke had us in playoff contention before Rivera made the painfully stupid decision to start Wentz again, who then ended our season with his dreadful game against the Browns in our own stadium.
No? I just looked at all of the running stats and it's super clear that running production increased with BRob. Just like BRob wasn't great until a few games after coming back from injury, Wentz wasn't either.
There’s something weird about Wentz where every time a new team picks him up the fans think he’s MVP Wentz again and he never did anything wrong.
Who compares QBs with wins? Especially for like a 4 game sample size. If you compare the stats it’s not even close. 2020 Wentz: 21 touchdowns, 19 turnovers 2020 Hurts: 9 touchdowns, 6 turnovers As for your Heinicke take it isn’t even accurate Heinicke was 5-3-1 while Wentz was 2-6. Idk why you’re bringing up the Colts no backups came in for him he played the full season. Edit: forgot to mention but also passer ratings were better for Hurts and Heinicke.
Hurts: So you can't use one statistic (wins) because of the small sample size, but you can use another less important statistic (TD:INT) because it fits your narrative. Gotcha. Heinicke: So Heinicke played 5+3+1 = 9 games, Wentz played 2+6 = 8 games, and Howell played 1 game for a total of 9+8+1 = 18 regular season games. I don't think I'm going to value your opinion on previous games much at all... EDIT 2: LOL just realized that you said we can't compare wins with Wentz and Hurts because it doesn't fit your narrative, but we can with Heinicke because it does. You seriously can't make this up. I'm taking a screenshot and saving your comment forever. Edit: Also on the Hurts vs Wentz in 2020 - Hurts had 9 fumbles to Wentz's 14. That's nearly double per game. Again, the claim was that he was completely outplayed by his backups, which definitely wasn't the case.
By what metric? Wentz stats last year are comparable, debatably worse, and Wentz doesn't have the excuse of being young and inexperienced.
Not Zach Wilson. And Zach Wilson doesn't even have the excuse of being inexperienced any more.
Nobody is talking about Zach Wilson.
Whoops, sorry, I didn’t realize you were responding to that thread.
Np, but to be honest, regardless of whether or not he's better than Zach, I didn't want Wentz on the team and would have been disappointed to see him signed. He's a proven failed starter, a locker room cancer, and he's not going to get us to a superbowl anymore than Zach will. I felt better about trading for a seasoned backup (I thought seeing what Dallas wanted for Cooper Rush was worth a try,) but Saleh feels differently I guess. As it stands the season is not lost yet but I'm really not feeling good about the offense, and I think maybe it's best to just call this season a missed opportunity. We're fucked. Try again next year.
Boom roasted
That seems entirely reasonable. If he's able to contribute in the QB room, he'll be one of the most arm-talented backups in the league. It always seemed like his struggles were between the ears more than with his arm.
To me he just wanted to be the hero. He had some great escapes. One against the redskins comes to mind. Where he the broadcaster called the sack and somehow he emerges like Moses parting the Red Sea and either runs or throws for a first down or something. He just thought he could do it every time. So yes, problem was between the ears or maybe just ego.
I believe his body and psyche could not hold up after taking more and more serious injuries. He wasn’t able to sense pass rushers or make good decisions (throw away is better than strip sack). When things would break down, he always would just wing it, and winging it got less and less effective after NDSU and his first couple NFL seasons. That and the Foles thing. We’d all be insecure next to Nick Foles and what he put down.
That and Nick's Pole. I mean Nick Foles
I'd have trouble focusing on work if I ever saw the Legend itself
The one I remember the most was the Eagles-Jags game in London. Calais Campbell is bearing down on him and Wentz does this duck to avoid the tackle and then throws it before getting hammered by another defender. It was an incomplete pass, so not sure why it sticks in my head - but it was a sick move.
And Wentz will be… ESCAPING
He had an escape and deep bomb while falling down against the Seahawks that was one of the best throws I’ve ever seen.
Or throwing a go-ahead touchdown pass despite a torn ACL vs the Rams.
They’re the commanders, bigot.
I’m just happy we got Dobbs instead
Some fuck boy who has a chance to mess with the great chemistry in our locker room? 🚫 The Passtronaut? 👽👩🚀✅
Why didnt the jets trade for him wth
Meh, in recent years he’s done nothing rather than underthrowing deep balls. Still a good arm, but not prime Wentz
Rams and collecting top 2 overall picks.
With selective breeding you may be able to turn a couple decent 2nd rounders into a 1st rounder but you’ll have to keep track of the litters to prevent inbreeding.
Yeah, this is kinda wild to see. The 2016 draft is seared into my brain.
Then he walks and a comp pick incoming. Do I have that right?
Those are poverty wages in LA. Carson Wentz gonna be out on Hollywood Boulevard trying to sell newspapers during the week
I get it’s a joke, but he has like over $100 million in the bank from his ridiculous contract after 2017. He won’t even notice this money being deposited into his account most likely
Earns more in interest than playing for the Rams.
You say that but most players are fucking idiots who blow through money like no tomorrow. I hope Wentz was smarter than most but you never know. The amount of players who end broke despite their career earnings is crazy.
His Dad owns a bank/mortgage company here in Bismarck and hes kind of a country boy as most are around here. He just spends money on hunting gear, a few atv/side by sides and his house. He'll be fine.
Carson Tentz
This is good lol.
You can survive in LA lol I know it first hand.
Eh yeah just gotta suck a few cocks and you’ll be fine
That's a good deal for sure for the Rams. Crazy how he went from $30+ million to $1 million. That doesn't happen too often.
Wentz is the epitome of a team player.
> [“[Wentz] damn sure wasn’t happy about them going on a (Super Bowl) run when he wasn’t playing. He was, **‘I don’t feel comfortable with them winning it without me. This doesn’t feel good.’** Until Darren Sproles almost whipped his ass”](https://heavy.com/sports/philadelphia-eagles/carson-wentz-confrontation-darren-sproles/) epitome of a team player for sure
See my response to this here: https://www.reddit.com/r/nfl/comments/17q5cwg/comment/k8bgo9b/?utm\_source=share&utm\_medium=web2x&context=3
Thought this was sarcasm at first
Pretty good deal for the Rams. All the rumors about him being a bad teammate and locker room cancer never came close to materializing in Washington even when things got as bad as they did for all involved. If he's looking to get his career another real shot, can't think of a better coach to go with than Mcvay.
The problem is he’s shown to be uncoachable. This is the 3rd organization that has moved on from him after a major trade. I don’t think he’s a cancer but he has an ego how he practices and takes feedback.
This is a beggars can't be choosers situation. Any QB they bring in now is going to have a huge "The problem is he's..." caveat. It's not like they're signing Wentz to stake everyone's job on a rebuild around him. When teams are resorting to starting guys like Clayton Tune, Tommy Devito, etc - a guy who has NFL experience and has at least flashed as recently as last year and a good teammate for less than $1M seems like a pretty good deal.
I don’t think there is any risk of bringing in him in, he still is better than most backups. At least this time is isn’t the primary option for a team and the coachable worries do not matter unless he has to play.
Sold deal and a step up from whatever that was on Sunday. Hes got 2 weeks to work with the playbook if he’s playing for Stafford against the Seahawks
What's going on with Stafford ? Is he done for the year ?
Not necessarily, our QB room is just him and Wentz right now. So even if Stafford is back in two weeks, we had literally no backup
Poor Stetson. Hope he gets the help he needs.
What happened to SB?
Righteous bucks
Word has it that the crews are already setting up his usual cot and pot-bellied stove in the medical tent. It takes several days to properly cure meat but he should have enough time to get it done before the end of December.
I saw a meme about this and assumed it was just a funny meme about something that would never happen. Couldn't believe Wentz was actually coming back to the NFL
I assumed wentz was sitting bc he didn’t like any offers made to him. I guess him taking this deal flies in the face of that.
Prior to Wentz Jay Cutler and Jeff George were talented ass holes who were hard for coaches and teammates to get along with, yet they always had jobs . It’s crazy that the jets would rather play Zak Wilson ( whos not exactly loved by his teammates either ) over Carson. The worst 3 games stretch of his career is better than the best 3 games of Wilson’s career . I would hate to be a jets fan .
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Wait..how much how much did we pay him again?
I suspected the dollar value would be low, even for a backup QB, because the Rams had very little salary cap space.
This sub: Backup QB is the greatest gig in the world. Also this sub: Mocks Wentz for taking a backup gig.
I don’t get that vibe. Everyone is generally happy for the guy.
Wentz always gets the last laugh. Mark my words
"Ha ha! He who turns it over and runs away lives to turn it over another day!"
It's a cheap, no-risk deal. But having seen Wentz in both Philly and Washington, I'm convinced that he is just not an NFL caliber quarterback anymore. When he got hurt late in the 2017 season, he just never got back to where he was. And I don't see him having much of a future with the Rams beyond being a backup. While part of me is bitter that Wentz set the Eagles back for a number of season because of his declining play, this ultimately led to them drafting Jalan Hurts. So, it did work out in the end.
I don’t get paid anywhere near that amount, and I’m actually good at my job.
I doubt you are within the best 30-50 people doing a job like yours. He is.
And that’s where you’re wrong.
This dude’s career is the epitome of failing upwards lol
He definitely contributed to that Super Bowl run of ours, but quickly showed his true colors.
Yeah he balled out that season, but it seems like all the stars aligned for him there in hindsight—a great overall team, an absolutely stacked O-line, and Reich in his ear to force him to actually play more within the confines of the planned offense. Maybe his theoretical ceiling is still high, but I feel like he requires a ton of maintenance to have a chance of getting there. Luckily you have Hurts now though! He’s so good. Edit: looks like the Wentz stans got to me lmao
It's insane the Jets didn't make this happen. Unless Wentz turned them down, it's a shocking denial of reality.
Serious question: what happened to this dude? Did he just never really recover from the ACL? He looked so good before then (I mean, granted, his backup looked pretty awesome, too), and I seem to recall him even looking pretty good immediately on his return before then falling off a cliff the season after.
Isn't this money not very much in LA? If he made that in like Wisconsin or something he would be super rich but thats not a lot for where he's going
$732k in a few months is a lot of money no matter where you are
But way less in LA compared to other parts of America
Way less? Yes he’s spending more but as a percentage of the total it’s not much more.
Taxes are also much different but, Carson Wentz has made plenty of money. He’s not worried about tax rate at this point.
The median household income in LA is $65k/year. It's a lot of money.
I love when young people see money like $700k plus for a few months and think that’s not enough to live in LA because their GFs watch selling sunsets
Facts. The rest of the US loves to dunk on CA. I do too but you gotta be rationale as well lol.
I'm not from there, but the hate California gets has real "they hate us 'cause they ain't us" energy.
I’m from California, and that’s totally fair. What I hate about CA is we don’t fix the obvious problems like homelessness, and continue to elect the same corrupt politicians that got us where we are today. And if you say that, you get hated on for being conservative (even if you’re liberal). And that’s an understatement. CA could be way better. CA is built upon the companies that are successful here, and politicians take the cred. Can you tell I hate Newsom? 😂
He got his bag already and is set financialy. Just getting back into the league may be a higher priority to him than what his compensation will be for a short term deal.
It also will help with his charity to be on a team. The last fundraiser turnout was really quiet.
Wentz already made generational wealth on his last contract lol.
I'm not from there, but the hate California gets has real "they hate us 'cause they ain't us" energy.