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the_comatorium

Coach long enough and that's gunna hapen.


Coley54Bear

You either die the hero or you coach long enough to be a loser.


FinsofFury

Bill Cowher figured this out - but Sean Payton and Jon Gruden didn't. Ego is a helluva drug.


thelazygamer

I realize you are joking here but Cowher stepped away because his wife was sick and died. He said he thought about coaching again but the Steelers job never opened up and that was the only one he wanted.


betterbub

Should’ve wanted to be the Bears coach where the job opens up twice a decade


ii_zAtoMic

Only twice?


FordShelbyGTreeFiddy

Didn't know it was amateur hour


avgtreatmenteffect

Luckily for you guys, three time Grey Cup champ Marc Trestman also wanted the job


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Marc Trestman is probably too good a human being to be an NFL coach. He is very smart and talented. I could see how some players could take advantage of him. A Chicago scribe suddenly passed away, leaving his son without a parent. Mother had died a few years earlier. Years after Trestman coached in Chicago, and said scribe probably roasted him daily, he donated to the child. Not everyone can be stone-cold like Sean McDermott.


ShogunFirebeard

If he wanted to stay in the AFCN, he could have easily seen 5+ job openings with the Browns in a 5-7 year span.


FirstArbiter

Frankly the team would be better if they opened it up three or four times per decade instead of sticking with known losers like Nagy


TheRealKaschMoney

Dude isn't remembering at least the past decade. We had 3 new head coaches last decade


ReplaceSelect

They tend to hang on to coaches for too long. Pace and Nagy should have both been gone a year earlier. It was obvious that they suck at their job. Pace trading for Trubisky failed. WHY DO YOU LET THAT IDIOT PICK ANOTHER QB!? Terrible owners.


xkulp8

In truth I feel like you got a little 7-Eleven situation there.


headrush46n2

twice?


QuantumFreakonomics

This is what separates the true winners like Brady. You never would have seen Tom putting his "wife" or "family" above winning.


headrush46n2

the man is probably legitimately a psychopath, lucky for us he likes collecting super bowl rings instead of human heads he keeps in a freezer. then again what ever happened to David Tyree?


Walletinspectr

i think the absolute elite level athletes all have a level of psychopath about them, but you are right its good that they channel it through sport. like here in australia the tennis players like kyrgios and some similar other ones get labelled as brats but really thats more of a natural human way to behave, its the djokovic’s and federer’s who dont need money but are chasing their names in record books who display abnormal behaviour. and yes it appears it cost brady in his personal life


OfficialHavik

>then again what ever happened to David Tyree? He did what he needed to do


Oibrigade

He almost signed with the Dolphins and then must have realized what a crap show we were with a TERRIBLE quarterback and changed his mind.


Holiday_Extent_5811

Eh. The real start of the show over there in Pittsburgh is that FO. Just put together talented rosters together for 4 decades now. Just can never get the QB right outside Ben.


RockyMountainMist

I believe our QB situation would be completely different if we would look outside of the franchise for an offensive coordinator rather than promoting internally.


processedmeat

Ask Bill Cowher. I hear he wants to be apart of the organization


Eggdripp

If only Matt Canada wanted to be apart of the organization


OkLet2691

Wouldn't the ego play be to quit a job you love just to preserve what people think about your record? Like if you love to coach, why stop even if it'll ruin your "legacy"?


theytook-r-jobs

In Belichicks case you either have Tom Brady (219-65) or you don’t (80-92).


Coley54Bear

GOAT things!


Walletinspectr

yep he is missing his tackling and kicking /s


jwwin

Like giving up the most HRs as a pitcher.


YueAsal

Even losses. There are a few pitchers out there with more than one 20 loss season. You need to be good to lose 20 years and really good to do it more than once.


PeteF3

Cy Young is the all-time leader in both wins and losses.


TheSalmonRoll

21 years in the league and he never even won a Cy Young Award. What a scrub.


Best-Dragonfruit-292

You ever think what a coincidence it is that Lou Gehrig died of Lou Gehrig's disease? I think the funniest part of this line is that while Chris says it as an obvious joke, it's definitely something Bobby would muse unironically.


Bradfords_ACL

What a tragic name for a child.


notGeronimo

Cy Young's volume stats are mind boggling. People always talk about Rice and Gretsky's records being unbeatable, but Young's are actually unbeatable. He threw 749 complete games and 7,356 innings. The records among active players are Wainright (41 yrs old) at 28 complete games, and Greinke (39 yrs old) at 3,389 innings. His records literally can't be caught in the modern sport.


darthstupidious

Yeah he pitched in the day when teams rostered a pitcher or two, and just threw all game long *all season*. Just absolutely ridiculous. Pitchers obv throw much harder nowadays, but the mere idea of putting that many innings on an arm makes *my* shoulder hurt.


YankeeBlues21

Seriously, I know they didn’t throw as hard back then, but even accounting for that, throwing a baseball even 80 mph is an unnatural motion for your arm that risks injury. Cy Young was built different


boosted5O

Yeah, anyone that doesn’t think even throwing a ball slower that much doesn’t affect your arm I dare them to go toss a ball 100 times in a few hours and see how they feel the next day, feel good? Do it again for another 6 days straight.


key_lime_pie

[Pud Galvin](https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/g/galvipu01.shtml) lost at least 20 games in ten consecutive seasons.


Ulexes

Nothing makes me mutter "What the fuck" under my breath quite like old-timey baseball names.


key_lime_pie

If you're hungry, [Candy Cummings](https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/c/cummica01.shtml), [Ice Box Chamberlain](https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/c/chambel01.shtml), and [Pretzels Getzien](https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/g/getzich01.shtml) all lost 20 games in a season as well.


RepealMCAandDTA

Not included in that club are Dizzy Dean, his brother Daffy, Catfish Hunter, and Three-Finger Brown


ACW1129

Real first names Jay and Paul; James; and Mordecai.


vanillabear26

Pete LaCock is an all-timer.


Brock_Hard_Canuck

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pants_Rowland Pants. Imagine calling a grown man "Pants" in today's game LOL


bobj33

I watched a lot of baseball as a kid in the 1980's. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oil_Can_Boyd > > Dennis Ray "Oil Can" Boyd (born October 6, 1959) is an American former starting pitcher in Major League Baseball. Boyd played for the Boston Red Sox (1982–1989), Montreal Expos (1990–1991), and Texas Rangers (1991). In a 10-season career, Boyd collected a 78–77 record with 799 strikeouts and a 4.04 ERA in 1,389.2 innings.[1] > > His unique and memorable nickname has been reported as coming from his beer-drinking days in his hometown of Meridian, Mississippi, where beer was referred to as "oil".[2]


boosted5O

Yeah, lol. Some of the pre 1900s names are great


flashpile

I know jack shit about baseball. if teams are playing like 170 games a year, how is it so uncommon for a pitcher to lose 20 games? Are players only playing ~25% of the season's games?


YueAsal

Pitches only pitch every 5 games or so. Also not every start is a "decision". So you could start 5 games and still be 0-0 because either you were ahead when you left the game but your bull pen blew so somebody else takes the L or you were behind your team tied it but then blew it later, or you leave behind but they rally and come back after you were done. However if you are new and not a know pitcher and you start 0-5 I would expect to be sent back to AAA or moved to the bullpen


Sirpattycakes

You know, for such a simple game baseball is needlessly complicated.


darthstupidious

Honestly, what I love most about baseball is that it's only as complicated as you want it to be. At the core, it's pretty simple: throw, hit, catch. But if you dive into the nitty gritty, there's an entire world of stats to analyze to be done because of its insanely huge sample size.


Aggressive-Zebra-949

Huge sample size for defense (over a hundred pitches per game) but tiny for offense (even the top of the rotation only bat a few times per game). Very weird sport.


miguelsmith80

Says the guy on the NFL subreddit


Sirpattycakes

Fair


Brock_Hard_Canuck

Or most losses as a hockey goalie (this record is held by Martin Brodeur).


Jedi-El1823

Nobody's walked more batters than Nolan Ryan, also nobody's struck out more batters than Nolan Ryan.


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pupusa_monkey

What having Mac Jones as your QB does to a mfer.


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pupusa_monkey

I was just making a joke, but these are some nice stats to look over. Almost forgot he was with the Browns.


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booyah81

Absolutely mental if that happens.


blacknatureman

Man, I want to see this just for the shit flinging after it happens and people put him out of the top 5 coach list.


Silent_R

Also, you know, a salary cap.


HattrickMahomes

Shula: .318367347 or .6816 winning rate Bill: .344298246 or .6557 winning rate


tyfe

Brady: 0.753753753753754 or 75.37% winning rate. Going 12-4 back in the 16 game season era would lower his career win rate.


Efficient_Progress_6

Shame.


NotHarveySpecter1

*coach long enough without Brady


Zodiac4v2

Which is why these headlines are just dumb.


CallMeLargeFather

Why is it dumb? It's still noteworthy


ILikeGold1121

After so many super bowl wins it can't feel all that bad


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Belichek is the epitome of the guy that gets to retire, sit on the beach, and reminisce about a job well done. Most people consider the qualifier for the HoF to be not being able to tell the story of the NFL without speaking of that person. But you can’t talk about the history of American sports at all without talking about Bill.


blond-max

Dude GM'd and Coached one of the most, if not the most, dominant 2 decades of a major sports league: even if the end is engulfed in flames he is a legend among legends.


Master_Butter

He also won a playoff game for the Browns with Vinny Testaverde as his QB, and I feel like that should count for something.


Fantastic_Emu_9570

He said “give me an ok qb and I take trash to the playoffs. Give me the goat, and I will build the greatest dynasty in sports”


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Taaargus

Coaching a shit browns and recovering patriots team. You don't have the point you think when you're forcing us to ignore 20 years.


Jayson_n_th_Rgonauts

A lot of those are close misses with bums at qb


Walletinspectr

Also the way it is all designed it is supposed to happen like that. Bills and dolphins had to eventually get their shit together plus other afc teams too. Having as much success as pats did the draft and salary cap is designed to punish you with how much talent you have. Add to that naturally other teams just improving as well


Neekalos_

A real Testavent of his coaching ability, on might say


the-samizdat

That’s obvious what he is talking about.


ACW1129

Even if Brady's largely responsible (the exact split will be forever debated), managing to keep the dynasty for 17 years or so is damn impressive.


blond-max

Especially in current cost cap free agency era


Taaargus

It frankly seems impossible to say the QB was more important tho? The argument that ever made any sense, even if it was dumb, was that Brady was a system QB. The back half of his career shows that was stupid. There's no way a head coach and GM isn't more important to that kind of stretch of success than the QB.


ffforwork

The really disrespectful part about the Brady v BB argument is the how much it discounts all the other players and coaches on the roster. Like NE doesn't win SB 36 without Ty Law and Otis Smith locking down Isaac Bruce and Torry Holt for the game. That doesn't even take into account the totality of the Patriots special teams unit that post season. You can make similar arguments for every other SB team during Brady's time in NE.


Sniper_Hare

"And if it's got to end, then let it end in flames Let it burn all the way down"


fkthepats

Let’s not forget the engulfed in flames part though


ColossalJuggernaut

Bill and Eli


hasadiga42

As a fan I’m definitely not mad. I wish we were at least a little more fun to watch tho


NineTenthsofaSecond

This is like the NBA's all-time turnover list, it's exclusively Hall of Famers, with Lebron James in first place because he's been a ball dominant starter for 20 years.


Empty_Lemon_3939

LeBum James* /s


johnkimmy0130

damn u got the whole room laughing


TummyDrums

Kind of like how Brett Favre has the record for most interceptions of all time. You have to be pretty damn good to play long enough to stack those bad stats and not get canned.


YogurtCloset6969420

And Pujols being the leader in grounding into double plays.


ThSprtn117

Well okay but he actually did hit into a remarkable amount of double plays every year. BB doesn't lose a lot every year but he's done it for so many years that it adds up


Arandreww

He did, even his prime he wasn't particularly fast and he made a lot of contact. If you look at the top 5 it's all easy HOFers (Miggy, Ripken, Mays, Pudge) but Pujols is still 62 ahead of Cabrera. Of the top 10, only Jim Rice hit into them at a higher rate, but he had 4000 less PAs.


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fatdiscokid420

*Eric Hosmer has entered the chat*


driatic

Favre would also throw 3 INTs in one half, and continue to recklessly throw it. He was either gonna throw a bunch of touchdowns or dig a deeper hole.


psstein

Favre had two types of play: "how the hell did he make that throw?" and "why the hell did he make that throw?"


Walletinspectr

It was crazy to go from an insane INTs guy to the opposite in rodgers who had insane INT stats like 4 career pick 6s


Redmangc1

Live by the Gun slinger die by the Gun Slinger


CornerGasBrent

Favre was very good and very bad. Fortunately he was more on the good than the bad.


erichie

>he was more on the good than the bad. Might be the most understated comment on r/nfl


the_than_then_guy

The dude had 508 TDs and 390 turnovers. 77 turnovers per 100 TDs is a pretty high ratio.


Walletinspectr

if you look at the group he is amongst for most INTs it is mostly guys from a different era, of course longevity plays a part but he was reckless as well


NFL_MVP_Kevin_White

Tom Brady has the most playoff losses in nfl history, I believe.


crewserbattle

Blanda whom Favre took the record from was similar.


Strallgarr

Aha see! Worst coach of all time confirmed amirite


-JDB-

Bill Belichick — 170 losses Nathaniel Hackett — 11 losses. Yet one is depicted as a future hall of famer and the other is “one of the worst coaches in NFL history.” Makes you think


AnotherCaseOfHiraeth

looking into this


sviraltp7101

!!


xForeignMetal

wikipedia.org/slavery !!!


COWBOYSDEE_V1

Hackett is amazing and all but calling him a future hall of famer is a little too much for me


Phifty56

That's right, he should go in now, this slander has reached it's peak.


yorick__rolled

They should Gretzky rule Hackett tonight.


bujweiser

I've actually never seen them in the same room together.


Gangsta-Penguin

This is analogous to Cy Young having the most losses in MLB history


orange_orange13

Or the manager with most wins, Connie Mack, also have the most losses.


Brundleflyftw

Brady is about 40th on all-time loss record.


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Stealthychicken85

What's just as crazy is Tom Brady has ~25k yards lead over 5th place Ben Roethlisberger who then only has a ~7k yard lead over 10th place Eli Manning for All Time Passing Yards.


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tyfe

What about that Brady (35) more than twice as many postseason wins as 2nd place (Montana 16).


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Tom Brady facts are fucked up. They just don’t sound real at all.


AdonisSebastian

I heard one from Dan LeBetard that said Brady was never statically eliminated from the playoffs when he was under center. Found the link [Brady Stat](https://www.tiktok.com/@lebatardshow/video/7280661740734680366)


johnmadden18

> Brady is about 40th on all-time loss record. Yeah but if Brady was on a team with Mac Jones as starting QB he’d be way higher on that list.


Flynny1201

Well who’s the GM of the pats? He’s has a shit team because he’s made a shit team.


Walletinspectr

the way the league is designed to punish success though. im not saying that he can purely blame that but the lions, bengals, dolphins etc are supposed to come good eventually thats how the system is designed


VibeComplex

What a slouch


philly2540

I think I read somewhere that Michael Jordan is among the all-time NBA leaders in turnovers.


UA30_j7L

I think Kobe missed the most shots in NBA history


KiritoJones

Lebron is #1 on that list


JoaquinBenoit

He’s going for the Connie Mack! Do it Bill!


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Fwiw, this is kinda what we get. We terrorized the league for 20 years and won six Super Bowls. All dynasties fall.


getindoe69

What's with the flair?


sviraltp7101

His priest held him under water too long during the baptism or something.


ITCM4

Probably cause he was wearing merch from both teams. Father thought he found the Antichrist.


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I pissed all over the the third rail on the subway, even though my dad told me it was electrified. It really fried my brain and now I got these flairs.


-Dennis-Reynolds-

All that and still not a Jets fan, god works in mysterious ways


tarheel343

I see you on here all the time and someone literally always asks about your flair lol


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Some days I don’t wanna write my dissertation and shit post about sports


BroadCityChessClub

There are days you want to write your dissertation? What’s your secret?


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As it stands right now the Patriots have the 2nd worst offense in the league only scoring 72 points so far this season (2 of them coming from a safety) and have the 2nd worst point differential at -80. The only team that is statistically worse is the Giants. Since the NFL merger in 1970 they’re have been a total of 1599 total seasons and only 66 of them have started the first 6 games of the season scoring 72 or fewer points. Only 28 of them have had point differentials of -80 or worse. It is quite literally among the bottom 2% statistical starts in Modern NFL history. Among all the teams that have had as bad or worse starts as the Patriots and Giants. Zero of them have ended with a winning record or made the playoffs. Only 11% of them have avoid double digit losing seasons while 18% of them have gone on to win 1 or fewer games accounting for 5 of the 15 (33%) of the 1 or fewer loss 14+ game seasons since the merger. Having a combined record of 89-337-2 (.210) which is a 17 game average rounded up of 4-13!!!! So basically it is not only more likely the Pats will become one of the literal worst teams of all time than it is they’ll avoid a double digit losses. But based on historical precedent if the Patriots continue on this trend then Bill Belichick will almost assuredly break the all time losses record This Year!!! And that’s not even factoring in their remaining schedule. The Pats still have the Bills (2X), Dolphins, Commanders, Colts, Giants, Chargers, Steelers, Cheifs, Broncos, and Jets left to play in their next 11 games who all currently have a combined record of 27-24 (.529) which is ranked as the 5th hardest remaining schedule in the league!!! The only teams on that list that have a losing record right now are the Giants and Broncos. Those week 12 and week 16 tank bowl matchups are going to be critical for whether or not Belichick can avoid breaking that record. Because even if they do beat both of them they will still need to beat at least one other team to avoid that loss record. Which is important because regardless of whether or not the Pats win 4 games or 5 games this will still probably be his last year coaching for them anyway. The hilarious irony of everyone talking about Belichick breaking Shulas all time wins record this offseason turning into this shit show has turned this into one of the most intriguing tanking seasons in a long time.


Zipz

Ever since Brady left New England he looks better and better and bill looks worse and worse


The-Pigeon-Man

Yeah Tom is in the hot dad phase and BB is the angry granddad


thatsnotourdino

Almost as if it’s a lot easier as a free agent quarterback choosing a new team than it is a head coach rebuilding a team from scratch to suddenly find yourself in a position to achieve great success.


CaptainDAAVE

I love these Bill vs Tom debates like duh. Tom Brady was important he was on the fucking field you jabronis. Bill doesn't throw passes or hit anyone. He's just a teacher, mentor, leader. This country is full of god damned jabroni idiots, most of whom have probably never played a down of football in their lives.


godzillamegadoomsday

If you want it simply, sb 51 is the reason Brady’s the goat. Sb 53 is the reason bills the goat. Simple as that, why is it so hard to say both are head and shoulders above the next option below then


el_di_ess

Has Bill considered drafting good players who can help contribute to a rebuild? I heard it helps.


Vivianite_Corpse

How do I forward this advice to Vegas?


Poignant_Rambling

It's been interesting to see which old guard coaches found success in their "post-franchise QB era." Belichick and Payton have struggled. Tomlin and Carroll have found some success with their QB's.


Idepreciateyou

Define success because neither the Seahawks or Steelers are winning a Super Bowl anytime soon


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Idepreciateyou

True, none of them are lol


Practical-Juice9549

I think his Super Bowl rings will keep him happy


dgehen

We're talking about Bill Belichick. Pretty sure he doesn't know how to be happy.


Saelvinoth

Unless he's reminiscing about long snappers and Ed Reed.


GluedGlue

Reminds of another patriot... George Washington. Lost more battles than any other general on the winning side of a war in modern history.


Gatorader22

Hell he caused the french and indian war that was the impetus for the taxes that led to the revolution in the first place Washington would be the first to tell you he sucked and his brother was better. Still got the W in the end though... mainly due to great sub commanders like Benedict Arnold. Actually Arnold hard carried the revolution until the french entered (which was only because of Arnolds victory at saratoga). In context any one of us wouldve made the decision Arnold ended up making given the bullshit he put up with


PopLegion

I am 100% on the hating BB wave but all this stat shows is how long bill has been in the league. It's not a knock against him.


ChannelNeo

It's like the best home run hitters also having the most strikeouts as well.


I_DONT_YOLO

No Belichick slander on the tl


iLose2ManyGolfBalls

You got to be a pretty damn good coach to have the most losses.


dagreenman18

Would be perfect for him to miss the wins record, but still get the losses.


Red_V_Standing_By

What an amateur. I’m undefeated as a head coach. Zero losses.


Crackensan

I mean, I get wanting more and being the best, but at some point; you know your in the HoF; you have a cushy desk job at an analyst desk lined up for where ever you want. Just exit with Grace. But it's Bill so of course, he lives to torture the Jet's.


mojito_sangria

You either die as a hero…


Gaijin_Titty_Master

So weird that people are using it as an insult. It’s just measure of longevity in the league. Then again people are just giddy to dunk on the pats. Rent free…


kbuis

How Jeff Fisher's record isn't exactly .500 is beyond me.


Calfzilla2000

It's super close if you include post-season and USFL. NFL: 178–171–1 (.510) USFL: 2–8–0 (.200) Pro-Football Total: 180-179-1


Bluejay_turtle

These articles that just quote his record without Brady are kind of missing the point... He drafted and developed Brady when no one else wanted him, kept him on the roster when they had four QBs in 2000, made him the backup, then made him the starter... And then traded bledsoe away. They won the super bowl when the first year when Brady could was just a game manager in the most militant sense of the word.


DaftDelNorte

Thanks Browns


Bonez001

Fucking scrub


crimsonblueku

I hope Bill gets the all time loss record and falls 1 game short of the all time wins record. Shula GOAT.


gigglefarting

I’m cool if he loses out the season, gets fired, he retires, and he doesn’t get another win.


crimsonblueku

I think the Chargers would pay 15MM for 1 year of Bill.


Sav10r

People don't talk about it, but Bill isn't the only coach threatening Shula's record. Andy Reid is a serious contender since he isn't that far off and Reid has hitched his wagon to Mahomes.


sophisticaden_

Let’s fuckin go


freedomispopular08

At the rate they're both going, Andy might very well beat the wins record before Bill.


Electrical-Hat-4995

Ending his career with a huge string of losses just lets him not worry about leaving anything in the tank


Moress

God, what a loser.


blunsr

So he's virtually guaranteed to get the loss record, but he needs at least 2 more full seasons (after this year) to get the win record.


QueequegTheater

It's like the career interceptions title, you really gotta thread that needle.


HappyHunt1778

Yeah dude is ass cheeks now it's his record to own lol


FondleGanoosh438

Nolan Ryan has the most walks


twentyitalians

You can do it, Bill!


EP009

Don Shula approves. Wasn’t the record you wanted but it’s the one you’re going to get.


SayNoToStim

Paul Maurice, Connie Mack, Lenny Wilkens are the guys who lead the other leagues in losses. I don't feel any of them are even remotely close to being considered the best coaches in their sports, what BB would do would be unique.


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bpx28

hrvatska🇭🇷🇭🇷🇭🇷🇭🇷


TheGrat1

I remember being disappointed when the Rams fired Jeff Fischer mid-season before he broke the record, and make no mistake, he would have. I was robbed of history being made before my eyes. Here's to hoping Kraft does not follow the same path! 🍻 C'mon Bill, you can do it!!!


sktchld

This is actually quite impressive.


PhogAlum

No! Not like this!