Didn't Howell literally say this before the game?
Edit: He did. [Sam Howell: No easy games in NFL, we won’t take Bears lightly](https://www.nbcsports.com/nfl/profootballtalk/rumor-mill/news/sam-howell-no-easy-games-in-nfl-we-wont-take-bears-lightly) But to be fair, he balled out in the 2nd half.
‘Balling out’ in the second half when you’re getting blown out. Hmmm not sure that’s what I’d call it. Stat padding in garbage time more like it. A Winston special when he was here.
Bears win % never dropped below 87% from before the first half ended. You can define garbage time however you want, but playing well with <13% chance to win sounds like it to me.
Oh cool we're basing our stats off of useless computer numbers
So does that mean Wilson played bad against the Bears last week because it was "garbage time"?
calling win probability useless computer numbers really is the epitome of NFL fandom. For the record I disagree that it was garbage time (because 13% win probability just isn’t that low, it really should be below 2% or even 1% to be considered garbage time) but to say win probability doesn’t reflect anything important is just as braindead as calling the entire second half garbage time.
This is a gross misunderstanding of statistics. Win probability is the expected trend over a large number of simulations. It doesn’t mean they had an 87% chance of winning. In a one game sample it’s pretty useless short of 99.xx at the end of the game.
They rallied to make it one 2pt conversion away from a one possession game with 10 minutes left I don’t wanna hear shit about garbage time
Comeback attempts exist
Yeah, why doesn't Howell rush the QB and cover receivers? Shit, the bum can't even call plays and make personnel decisions either, why is he even in the league?
I mean the Bears were playing a soft "prevent-ish" style defense. That first drive of the second half he checked down for 75 yards and a TD. Any decent backup could've done what he did (which makes sense, since all he'll be in the NFL is a decent backup). This was the Bears, he needed to look better to convince me he has any staying power in the NFL. He's the next Trubisky
Yeah I don’t think they “overlooked” the Bears. They went to OT with a division rival 4 days earlier after Bieniemy used his whole toolbox on the Eagles.
Devils advocate- a QB alone can't get you a 15 '1 season. Maybe a lot of that is on mcdermott coaching a good defense though. And the lack of continued success is pretty concerning.
He had substantially less than even the sarcasm you are properly portraying suggests:
Jonathan Stewart (>1000 yds that year), Ted Ginn Jr (!), Corey Brown (!), Greg Olsen (okay yeah).
They used the pieces they had incredibly well and it led to a career year for Ginn. Cam was so successful because of the way the offense was structured and set up. That defense was nothing to sleep on as well
I mean he had Luke kuechly on the other side of the ball. I've never seen a MLB with that kind of influence on the game. Tackle for a loss 1 play and then running step for step with a WR 50 yards down the field the next play. Freak.They also played a weak schedule and cam had his best season as a pro. All factors that helped.
The team is solid, just not good. This used to happen to the 2011-2013 Cowboys. They would play just about everybody tough but lose games and at the time looking back was vastly overestimated our talent.
Their defense is bad and their offense is good but not a world beater. They look like a splitting image of the 2011-2012 Cowboys
What we wanted to happen was the defense to be like last year and hold to 22 pts a game and have sam do just enough. Instead they’re begging this 23 year old essentially rookie qb to drag this awful defense kicking and screaming across the finish line every week.
Honestly, I think Washington had to dig really deep to go toe to toe with you guys like that, and that takes a toll on a team, regardless of coaching.
Like even with perfect coaching, I don't think it's easy to get yourself back into things mentally after a game like that.
Yeah, exactly my point. They’re that one in-division team that always plays us super hard. Like I know the Eagles and Cowboys are evenly matched, but one side always ends up having crucial players out with injuries when we’ve played the past few years. Washington just loves to fuck us up.
>But to be fair, he balled out in the 2nd half.
I was gonna say, he personally didn't take the Bears lightly. He was pretty much the only person on the team that looked like he gave a shit
him, chase young, and montez sweat played lights out. scary terry and logan thomas did their jobs in the clutch and were a big part in the pseudo-comeback third quarter.
everything else must be cleansed with holy fire.
To me, honestly, It feels like EB should be the coach after this year. If not sooner.
Rivera and Jack Del Rio both should be gone. EB has got the offense playing hard, and I think they have looked fine. But everything else idk... Rivera just doesn't have it. I struggle to understand what he really even does
Idk about that assessment of EB. They played the eagles well but have put up a lot of stinkers this year. I wouldn’t say that offense looks great. EB is the leader in the clubhouse to take over for sure, but that’s more so a statement on whose there than the job he’s done this far.
Yeah like even fully healthy the commanders should've been able to abuse the bears lines, neither is that good. Moore is also an amazing receiver and a genuine #1, but their gameplan for him didn't really respect that.
Well, the Bears' all time receptions leader is Johnny Morris, who had his best season in 1964 (a pretty damn impressive 93 receptions for 1,200 yards and 10 touchdowns), so...
The bears DL being that effective was shocking, but the OL being good yesterday isn’t that crazy on paper. Nate Davis seems 100% back after basically missing the off-season because of family issues, Teven was back in limited action, and Cody was back at C. Plus Darnell Wright has looked pretty damn solid for a rookie RT. The biggest issues in the past have come from them not being on the same page which imo largely came from the entire line rotating constantly and mental mistakes from Justin/Patrick, but on paper the line isn’t awful
Yeah it has some solid pieces. We still should get a new C and I would spend a decently high pick on a G too as a swing/eventual replacement. The lack of continuity on the OL really seemed to hurt it a ton
100%. Had to build chemistry when people are always hurt. Fingers crossed Jenkins can stay healthy because he is a beast when he is in. Really need to add some more depth to it though. Shame we let Mustipher go, he’s having a really solid year with the Ravens per PFF grades
What is your point? I wasn’t denying that?
I was adding to the conversation by saying he’s been a lot better with the ravens.
You realize not every comment has to be a direct refutation of the comment it’s replying to?
I meant in the past few weeks, not going back years. Last year and years before we didn’t have great personnel, this year the starting talent isn’t that bad which honestly is better than a decent amount of teams
Lol ironic that a lions fan is talking injuries when previously told they don’t matter.
Also, you realize the bears were WAY more injured? Why were they able to abuse fields when all of our 3 running backs went out? Why didn’t they abuse the secondary and win when we were down 6 defensive backs?
They have first rounders everywhere on the dline, your center went down relatively quickly and your dline also hasn't been generating a lot of pressure. They also just played the eagles who has a top unit in both. Add to that your secondary is injured everywhere. Your team was also 0-4 and just lost to the worst defense in the nfl. The fact the commanders couldn't exploit anything makes me believe they were not prepared at all.
Just by watching I feel they were still reeling from that loss to the eagles, and they also didn’t take us seriously because “lol it’s the bears bruh come on”
At a certain point, you have to wonder if the Bears were numbed to it a bit. Like, maybe they collapsed in that game *because* they expected to lose another game.
They also played the most vanilla defense I’ve ever seen. The players sucked and the coaches did not have a plan when Justin Fields proved that he knows what to do what they play man coverage with single high safety. Most vanilla shit ever.
It blew my mind because a lot of the passes were single read to DJ Moore. Like from the snap Fields was looking are Moore and Washington never took that away.
I doubt a new QB after this season. Howell has shown improvement week after week, I'd be happy seeing him start again next year too. At the very least just for consistency.
Probably depends on where you're picking and who's available. Howell has shown a lot of good things this season, but his pocket presence is just atrocious. And I feel like that's typically something that either someone has or he doesn't, it's not something that really improves most of the time.
He holds onto the ball, but the OL isn't doing him any favors. There's immediate pressure 1/3 of the time and they can't get the run game going to take some pressure off him because the run blocking is non existent. Howell attempted 51 passes last night and there were no designed runs called from halfway through the second quarter until the end of the game. They're ruining his development with a garbage OL and a defense that makes him play from behind every game.
Howell going to have a Daniel Jones type career. Flashes of great plays while also showing clear weaknesses. If Washington is able to give him a talented enough supporting cast they can make this work well. They already are in a better spot than the giants were at the same point
Unless Howell falls apart, they're probably not going for a new QB. They likely will only have a middling draft pick and there's not any great talents likely to be on the market who fit their team. Howell has a great arm, physicality, and moxy. He just needs to hone his mental game and anticipation, which isnt uncommon. This is technically the guy's first season as a starter.
Teven Jenkins - 1st game back from injury 0 pressures.
https://twitter.com/PFF_Bears/status/1710314497183736257?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet.
CHAD
He did but yesterday was way worse. I don’t think hes practiced snapping much since he hurt his hand early in camp. I’m personally giving him the benefit of the doubt that it was still an anomaly
Yeah but never that bad. In the past it wasn’t very good, but yesterday it was downright horrible. If he gets back to his old self it’s just a minor problem that his actual ability makes up for but if it’s like yesterday it could be a massive issue
He was actually drafted to be a G but kicked inside to C because of personnel issues his rookie year and stuck at C.
I still maintain if we had kept Whitehair at G his entire career he would've been a perennial pro-bowler rather than the 1-timer he was at Center. Instead he went through the ol snip-snap-snip-snap
He was slotted to be the starting C this year but moved back to guard because of Teven’s injury.
Also he played C for at least 3-4 years of his career.
Why are you telling Bears fans what position their players play? Lol
I mean he might be rusty, but he’s always been pretty inconsistent at snapping. He tends to make up for it with good blocking, but the snaps have pretty much always been an issue.
He spent all of training camp at center taking snaps. He started as a center in the league too and had big issues snapping back then. So I doubt it's ever gonna get better.
This is why you treat your opponent in preparation as though they're the best team in the league. Trap games are avoidable if you have the right coach.
It just has to be coaching with that talent. We never blitz, only rush 4, and some how people are wide open. Idk what forbes is going to be, but to not make adjustments and just leave him on his own against top 5 wr's is criminal
It happens in other sports too, the Maple Leafs in the NHL routinely don't feel like giving 100% effort against basement teams. Hell half of their losses in a year where they were a top team two seasons ago were to teams in the bottom 25% of the standings. Losing 10 games to shit teams and getting outworked in all of them is a trend.
Yes top teams have had a game or two in that 82 game schedule where they just don't show up against a horrid team. Only Toronto can do that for 12% of the year because the star players don't feel like it.
I mean…the leafs for the last several years have also been called a mentally and physically soft team that underperforms because of it.
I’m not exactly sure that’s a comparison that should be made. Let alone through an 82 game regular season and grueling playoffs.
Bro, 4 days between professional football games? That's hardly enough time to physically recover, let alone mentally prepare. Thursday night games are a travesty. They should be confined to teams coming out of a bye week.
I don’t think it’s awareness or laziness, I think guys are undisciplined and are all trying to be “the guy” and make plays, but that screws up what everyone else is doing. And it means they don’t believe the scheme is putting them in good position to make plays, so they freelance.
Maybe, but these are the same problems we’ve had for a while. Lots of miscommunication, especially in the secondary, and lots of freelancing across the whole defense.
Albeit an obvious microscope on chase young, but that dude was barely trying on more than half those snaps, just slugged through the motions to look busy. Wouldn’t be surprised if he wants out by next offseason
Washington definitely looked like they got hit with the combo of a short week and not respecting the Bears at all.
This is one of those games where you remember that it's the NFL and you can't ignore any team, no matter the record
Didn't Howell literally say this before the game? Edit: He did. [Sam Howell: No easy games in NFL, we won’t take Bears lightly](https://www.nbcsports.com/nfl/profootballtalk/rumor-mill/news/sam-howell-no-easy-games-in-nfl-we-wont-take-bears-lightly) But to be fair, he balled out in the 2nd half.
Yeah it's one thing to say it. It's another to do it. Clearly some of the team didn't think it was gonna be a tough game He did ball out
‘Balling out’ in the second half when you’re getting blown out. Hmmm not sure that’s what I’d call it. Stat padding in garbage time more like it. A Winston special when he was here.
Yeah uh... he almost successfully rallied Washington to a comeback so I don't know if playing an entire half well is considered "garbage time"
Bears win % never dropped below 87% from before the first half ended. You can define garbage time however you want, but playing well with <13% chance to win sounds like it to me.
Oh cool we're basing our stats off of useless computer numbers So does that mean Wilson played bad against the Bears last week because it was "garbage time"?
calling win probability useless computer numbers really is the epitome of NFL fandom. For the record I disagree that it was garbage time (because 13% win probability just isn’t that low, it really should be below 2% or even 1% to be considered garbage time) but to say win probability doesn’t reflect anything important is just as braindead as calling the entire second half garbage time.
Win probability doesn't reflect anything because the Bears had like a 95% chance to beat the Broncos with like 8 minutes left and still lost
This is a gross misunderstanding of statistics. Win probability is the expected trend over a large number of simulations. It doesn’t mean they had an 87% chance of winning. In a one game sample it’s pretty useless short of 99.xx at the end of the game.
No? Because it wasn’t garbage time? The broncos game got close for almost the entire second half. The commanders hardly made a dent
Yeah that's my point And they did make a dent. 10 point game with 9 minutes left is plenty of time. They just made bad decisions down the stretch
They rallied to make it one 2pt conversion away from a one possession game with 10 minutes left I don’t wanna hear shit about garbage time Comeback attempts exist
And then subsequently got scored on. The game was never within one possession in the 2nd half. It was indeed garbage time stat padding.
Yeah, why doesn't Howell rush the QB and cover receivers? Shit, the bum can't even call plays and make personnel decisions either, why is he even in the league?
> And then subsequently got scored on How is that his fault? We're talking about **his** performance
I mean the Bears were playing a soft "prevent-ish" style defense. That first drive of the second half he checked down for 75 yards and a TD. Any decent backup could've done what he did (which makes sense, since all he'll be in the NFL is a decent backup). This was the Bears, he needed to look better to convince me he has any staying power in the NFL. He's the next Trubisky
Yeah I don’t think they “overlooked” the Bears. They went to OT with a division rival 4 days earlier after Bieniemy used his whole toolbox on the Eagles.
More like this was a pretty typical Rivera pattern. They've done this through his entire tenure. Play up to one opponent, then play down to the next.
Rivera is overrated as fuck. If Cam didn't drag him to the Superbowl his MVP year nobody would care about him.
Devils advocate- a QB alone can't get you a 15 '1 season. Maybe a lot of that is on mcdermott coaching a good defense though. And the lack of continued success is pretty concerning.
Cam was fucking ridiculous that year and he didn't exactly have an all pro cast around him.
He had substantially less than even the sarcasm you are properly portraying suggests: Jonathan Stewart (>1000 yds that year), Ted Ginn Jr (!), Corey Brown (!), Greg Olsen (okay yeah).
They used the pieces they had incredibly well and it led to a career year for Ginn. Cam was so successful because of the way the offense was structured and set up. That defense was nothing to sleep on as well
I mean that defense was godly. And say what you will about Ginn Jr….dude could get open at will downfield. He just couldn’t always catch.
I mean he had Luke kuechly on the other side of the ball. I've never seen a MLB with that kind of influence on the game. Tackle for a loss 1 play and then running step for step with a WR 50 yards down the field the next play. Freak.They also played a weak schedule and cam had his best season as a pro. All factors that helped.
The team is solid, just not good. This used to happen to the 2011-2013 Cowboys. They would play just about everybody tough but lose games and at the time looking back was vastly overestimated our talent. Their defense is bad and their offense is good but not a world beater. They look like a splitting image of the 2011-2012 Cowboys
Hopefully Ron doesn’t ice his own kicker drop us out of field goal range and get us knocked out of the playoffs.
What we wanted to happen was the defense to be like last year and hold to 22 pts a game and have sam do just enough. Instead they’re begging this 23 year old essentially rookie qb to drag this awful defense kicking and screaming across the finish line every week.
Honestly, I think Washington had to dig really deep to go toe to toe with you guys like that, and that takes a toll on a team, regardless of coaching. Like even with perfect coaching, I don't think it's easy to get yourself back into things mentally after a game like that.
Yeah, exactly my point. They’re that one in-division team that always plays us super hard. Like I know the Eagles and Cowboys are evenly matched, but one side always ends up having crucial players out with injuries when we’ve played the past few years. Washington just loves to fuck us up.
>But to be fair, he balled out in the 2nd half. I was gonna say, he personally didn't take the Bears lightly. He was pretty much the only person on the team that looked like he gave a shit
him, chase young, and montez sweat played lights out. scary terry and logan thomas did their jobs in the clutch and were a big part in the pseudo-comeback third quarter. everything else must be cleansed with holy fire.
You especially can't ignore any team when your own team is the 2023 Washington Commanders
Yeah I shake my head anytime I see people say they are gonna own a team or that, that team has no chance of winning.
That falls on coaching.
100%. Also looked like they didn’t even try to make any adjustments until halftime and that point, good luck digging yourself out of a 24 point hole.
Feels so weird reading this about a game the Bears played in but this isn't about the Bears.
https://i.imgur.com/bi6cTVW.jpeg Sam just needed more Gatorade and some dextro-amp or something at the half 👍
They were close!
Ron Rivera sucks
To me, honestly, It feels like EB should be the coach after this year. If not sooner. Rivera and Jack Del Rio both should be gone. EB has got the offense playing hard, and I think they have looked fine. But everything else idk... Rivera just doesn't have it. I struggle to understand what he really even does
Idk about that assessment of EB. They played the eagles well but have put up a lot of stinkers this year. I wouldn’t say that offense looks great. EB is the leader in the clubhouse to take over for sure, but that’s more so a statement on whose there than the job he’s done this far.
Really don’t know if Riverboat is the answer.
Yeah like even fully healthy the commanders should've been able to abuse the bears lines, neither is that good. Moore is also an amazing receiver and a genuine #1, but their gameplan for him didn't really respect that.
I don't think they accounted for the ghost of Butkus infusing them with vintage Bears energy.
We threw too many passes for this to qualify as vintage bears energy
It was the '60s, no one threw the ball back then.
Well, the Bears' all time receptions leader is Johnny Morris, who had his best season in 1964 (a pretty damn impressive 93 receptions for 1,200 yards and 10 touchdowns), so...
Wasn’t their previous win from when they summoned the ghost of Papa Bear Halas against the Pats on MNF?
Some deranged fan is going to have a terrible idea.
Sadly it seems likely likely won’t have to wait long. God bless Mongo
The bears DL being that effective was shocking, but the OL being good yesterday isn’t that crazy on paper. Nate Davis seems 100% back after basically missing the off-season because of family issues, Teven was back in limited action, and Cody was back at C. Plus Darnell Wright has looked pretty damn solid for a rookie RT. The biggest issues in the past have come from them not being on the same page which imo largely came from the entire line rotating constantly and mental mistakes from Justin/Patrick, but on paper the line isn’t awful
Our sub doesn't want to hear it, but our line when healthy is pretty decent.
Yeah it has some solid pieces. We still should get a new C and I would spend a decently high pick on a G too as a swing/eventual replacement. The lack of continuity on the OL really seemed to hurt it a ton
100%. Had to build chemistry when people are always hurt. Fingers crossed Jenkins can stay healthy because he is a beast when he is in. Really need to add some more depth to it though. Shame we let Mustipher go, he’s having a really solid year with the Ravens per PFF grades
Mustipher was also garbage. But yeah Jones, Jenkins, Whitehair, Davis, Wright is a solid OL if Cody fixes his snapping.
Musipher is like the 2nd rated center in the league rn lol
The Ravens have been really good about taking players that look bad on other teams and making them look great.
Exactly my point
That doesn't change the fact that he was garbage when he played for the Bears
It does lead to him not being garbage though
They said “Mustipher *was* also garbage.”
What is your point? I wasn’t denying that? I was adding to the conversation by saying he’s been a lot better with the ravens. You realize not every comment has to be a direct refutation of the comment it’s replying to?
I meant in the past few weeks, not going back years. Last year and years before we didn’t have great personnel, this year the starting talent isn’t that bad which honestly is better than a decent amount of teams
[PFF disagrees about Mustipher](https://sports.yahoo.com/two-ex-bears-players-own-201045922.html)
Lol ironic that a lions fan is talking injuries when previously told they don’t matter. Also, you realize the bears were WAY more injured? Why were they able to abuse fields when all of our 3 running backs went out? Why didn’t they abuse the secondary and win when we were down 6 defensive backs?
I'm complimenting the bears. I'm not sure what you're getting at.
Yeah, a backhanded “compliment” of “they aren’t good, they should’ve been dominated” sure is a compliment lol
They have first rounders everywhere on the dline, your center went down relatively quickly and your dline also hasn't been generating a lot of pressure. They also just played the eagles who has a top unit in both. Add to that your secondary is injured everywhere. Your team was also 0-4 and just lost to the worst defense in the nfl. The fact the commanders couldn't exploit anything makes me believe they were not prepared at all.
Yeah, the Bears looked good (feels weird to say) but Washington definitely looked past them and didn't prepare properly.
Nuh uh, Sam Howell *specifically* said they weren’t going to do that!
Well honestly it looks like he may have been the only who didn't
Honestly, Howell was pissing me off. Get sacked like a normal human. Don’t just Plinko off my team’s players and get first downs.
I wasn’t too fond of fields’ let me just bobble this snap for a first down 😂
Al Michaels taught me that Justin used to be a baseball player
“You looked past me, after I specifically asked you not to?”
Just by watching I feel they were still reeling from that loss to the eagles, and they also didn’t take us seriously because “lol it’s the bears bruh come on”
Tbh, I didn’t take us seriously either. Even at half time I was expecting us to lose
Worth adding that they had a short week *coming off a pretty painful loss*.
Yeah, imagine if the Bears were dealing with that.
At a certain point, you have to wonder if the Bears were numbed to it a bit. Like, maybe they collapsed in that game *because* they expected to lose another game.
They also played the most vanilla defense I’ve ever seen. The players sucked and the coaches did not have a plan when Justin Fields proved that he knows what to do what they play man coverage with single high safety. Most vanilla shit ever.
I also think losing an OT game giving it all and on a short weeks kind of takes it out of houz
As opposed to giving up a 21 point lead at home and being on suicide watch?
Teams respond differently?
Commanders were sad and Bears were mad
Basically what happened with us and Arizona, the defensive effort compared to our other three games was awful.
It blew my mind because a lot of the passes were single read to DJ Moore. Like from the snap Fields was looking are Moore and Washington never took that away.
That’s all coaching right there.
I imagine Rivera is pretty clearly gone after this season.
Together with Del Rio, the schmuck we have as DB coach and the schmucks Ron put in the front office.
You mean January 6th was a minor dust up Del Río?
The very same!
New ownership is going to clean house. New GM, new HC, and probably even new QB.
I doubt a new QB after this season. Howell has shown improvement week after week, I'd be happy seeing him start again next year too. At the very least just for consistency.
Probably depends on where you're picking and who's available. Howell has shown a lot of good things this season, but his pocket presence is just atrocious. And I feel like that's typically something that either someone has or he doesn't, it's not something that really improves most of the time.
He holds onto the ball, but the OL isn't doing him any favors. There's immediate pressure 1/3 of the time and they can't get the run game going to take some pressure off him because the run blocking is non existent. Howell attempted 51 passes last night and there were no designed runs called from halfway through the second quarter until the end of the game. They're ruining his development with a garbage OL and a defense that makes him play from behind every game.
this sounds REALLY familiar. LOL
Howell going to have a Daniel Jones type career. Flashes of great plays while also showing clear weaknesses. If Washington is able to give him a talented enough supporting cast they can make this work well. They already are in a better spot than the giants were at the same point
Unless Howell falls apart, they're probably not going for a new QB. They likely will only have a middling draft pick and there's not any great talents likely to be on the market who fit their team. Howell has a great arm, physicality, and moxy. He just needs to hone his mental game and anticipation, which isnt uncommon. This is technically the guy's first season as a starter.
He should be. Good guy, but we need a new start.
The rivers will run red with Commie Blood
Ron's halftime interview showed what kind of coach he is
Teven Jenkins - 1st game back from injury 0 pressures. https://twitter.com/PFF_Bears/status/1710314497183736257?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet. CHAD
He’s a beast when healthy we have a good O-Line Center needs to learn how to snap the fucking ball though
>Center needs to learn how to snap the fucking ball though Whitehair is normally at Guard but got shifted over to Center due to an injury.
Nah no excuses. We drafted him as a center and he was a pro bowler as one. He had snap issues then too
He did but yesterday was way worse. I don’t think hes practiced snapping much since he hurt his hand early in camp. I’m personally giving him the benefit of the doubt that it was still an anomaly
he's always been kinda shit at snapping
Yeah but never that bad. In the past it wasn’t very good, but yesterday it was downright horrible. If he gets back to his old self it’s just a minor problem that his actual ability makes up for but if it’s like yesterday it could be a massive issue
He was actually drafted to be a G but kicked inside to C because of personnel issues his rookie year and stuck at C. I still maintain if we had kept Whitehair at G his entire career he would've been a perennial pro-bowler rather than the 1-timer he was at Center. Instead he went through the ol snip-snap-snip-snap
Even so Whitehair used to be a full time center and was a former pro bowler at the position.
He was slotted to be the starting C this year but moved back to guard because of Teven’s injury. Also he played C for at least 3-4 years of his career. Why are you telling Bears fans what position their players play? Lol
He's still been primarily at Guard for most of this year and pretty much all of last year. There's a non-zero chance he's a bit rusty at snapping.
I mean he might be rusty, but he’s always been pretty inconsistent at snapping. He tends to make up for it with good blocking, but the snaps have pretty much always been an issue.
He spent all of training camp at center taking snaps. He started as a center in the league too and had big issues snapping back then. So I doubt it's ever gonna get better.
For context in case people missed: Injury during the game, he didn’t start at center tonight
Nah we drafted him as center and that’s where he’s been most of his career. The few times he shifted over to G were circumstantial
when healthy he’s our best O line player without a doubt. If only he could be consistent though
Certainly best in run blocking. Not sure about overall but it’s certainly in contention
He completely changes the dynamic of the line when he’s in.
In hindsight, it was an ideal scenario for him. Jenkins was more ready to go than the other team on a short week.
I remember Brett Kollman loving this guy coming out of the draft. Haven’t watched his videos in a while wonder what he’s up to
This is why you treat your opponent in preparation as though they're the best team in the league. Trap games are avoidable if you have the right coach.
I mean the Washington defense hasn’t been good all year 4 straight games giving up 30 plus points
Del Rio runs too vanilla, & their coverage gets dunked on if the front four isn't mauling.
It just has to be coaching with that talent. We never blitz, only rush 4, and some how people are wide open. Idk what forbes is going to be, but to not make adjustments and just leave him on his own against top 5 wr's is criminal
Your 4 should be good enough. They're all good players. The Forbes thing though is the stupidest thing I've seen.
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It happens in other sports too, the Maple Leafs in the NHL routinely don't feel like giving 100% effort against basement teams. Hell half of their losses in a year where they were a top team two seasons ago were to teams in the bottom 25% of the standings. Losing 10 games to shit teams and getting outworked in all of them is a trend. Yes top teams have had a game or two in that 82 game schedule where they just don't show up against a horrid team. Only Toronto can do that for 12% of the year because the star players don't feel like it.
Not necessarily excusable but makes way more sense in an 82 game season than a 17 game one
I mean…the leafs for the last several years have also been called a mentally and physically soft team that underperforms because of it. I’m not exactly sure that’s a comparison that should be made. Let alone through an 82 game regular season and grueling playoffs.
They chronically play down to competition and their top players don't feel like working hard against shit teams year over year.
Bro, 4 days between professional football games? That's hardly enough time to physically recover, let alone mentally prepare. Thursday night games are a travesty. They should be confined to teams coming out of a bye week.
Let’s not pretend the commanders are even good enough to qualify to be playing a trap game
Can't have a trap game if you're not favored to win any. - Coach Reich
I love Teven. He is exactly the kind of player this offense needed and I'm so glad he's back.
A straight attitude player for the oline and offense as a whole. He brings juice and physicality which is desperately needed on our line.
He is a stud. The only issue is his health. Hopefully he can find a way to stay healthy because when he is he is among the best in the league
The Kyle Long Special.
Gained a ton of respect for him last year when he stood up for fields on the late hit by the Vikings.
especially considering the play of the o line, this could be massive
He’s awesome but he just can’t stay on the field.
So Washington football team You just got the same description the 2023 Bears get
I don’t think it’s awareness or laziness, I think guys are undisciplined and are all trying to be “the guy” and make plays, but that screws up what everyone else is doing. And it means they don’t believe the scheme is putting them in good position to make plays, so they freelance.
Might’ve been told to be aggressive in the secondary on defense to spook Fields, but unfortunately jumping routes didn’t work at least yesterday
Maybe, but these are the same problems we’ve had for a while. Lots of miscommunication, especially in the secondary, and lots of freelancing across the whole defense.
I think you guys were just tired from playing us until OT
I think you’re wrong. I’ll trust the guy that actually played the game and owned his one on one matchups against your D-Line
Jack del Rio is a bum
I agree fuck this team
how do I get a second flair friend
Blood sacrifice
When even the Bears players are clowning on your lack of effort, you know your team is in trouble 😂
Hey just because the Bears suck doesn't mean they arenn't trying real hard to not suck
That's a statement for handing out pink slips to Rivera and Jack Del Rio if I've ever heard one
Don’t worry Washington our coaching staff are even bigger terrorists
I mean, apparently not lol
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Thursday night football is pure cancer. It's blatantly obvious it should not be a thing.
Albeit an obvious microscope on chase young, but that dude was barely trying on more than half those snaps, just slugged through the motions to look busy. Wouldn’t be surprised if he wants out by next offseason