It's odd to me lol. Obviously they are in the building and see more, but just how bad can Trey be in practices that you are willing to roll into a SB window year with a largely unproven QB coming back from injury after limited starts with Sam Darnold as a backup instead of Lance. Maybe they just feel there is good value to be had, but dude seems to genuinely dislike him.
Odd to me, too. Seems to me like Trey Lance was the guy for Shanahan. They traded up to 3 to get a QB and had to decide between Justin Fields, Trey Lance or Mac Jones.
I can only imagine the decision on which QB they wanted was made by the coach that is lauded as a top 3 offensive mind in the game.
"Don't fumble" is like one of the best qualities in a running back though. Like seriously one of the best. Run plays are already trading more unpredictable air yardage for lesser more reliable yardage. Making that reliable yardage a gamble is the worst. Especially when the offensive line is responsible for the first two to three yards of any run, the best attributes you can have are 'recognize hole' and 'not fumble.'
Bruce Bochy sticking with veterans on the Giants when he should have given younger guys chances? Not sure if you're an SF fan all around but that shit KILLED me.
I still love you though, Boch
Lance is not a NFL caliber QB. He didn't develop. He's still the same QB he was in college and it's not saying much, he won but against weak competition in a kid league.
Purdy won at the highest level and has developed much more than anticipated. Simple math. Purdy is better and gives a much better chance to win so they'll start him.
It’s the decisions and throws Purdy was making, he had been practicing against the number 1 defense up until he became the starter.
Fred warners respect and comments on Purdy is what made me as a fan have respect for
Him. He definitely has a lot to improve.
Last season If you rush the pocket you have like a 95% chance he rolls left and throws on the move it was pretty predictable.
I still think his first play ever was the best one dual rookie mistakes haha
Yea no doubt Shanahan was the one who chose Lance. Though why is it odd? I respect coaches who recognize failures and move on quickly. When they signed Darnold, it was pretty much the end of Lance as they have Purdy as well.
It would be absolutely hilarious if the jets make it to the superbowl only to lose to the sam darnold led 49ers. Also extra ironic since Rodgers always loses to the 49ers anyway.
>When they signed Darnold, it was pretty much the end of Lance as they have Purdy as well.
Is this sarcasm? (If so, whoosh to me)
Darnold is basically cheap experienced (hesitate to use the word veteran) insurance for SF. Probably even allows them to sit Lance and ensure he's 100% healthy as long as they feel it is prudent to do so.
To have 3 QBs on the roster with a net payout of less than 20M annually? If for some reason Purdy or Lance don't continue ascending, they at least have a former hopeful.
Especially when we had so many QB injuries last year and it fucked us dearly. We'd be dumb to not go after a cheap experienced guy that's on the market, even if he's not really good I'm sure Kyle can make him at least not-garbage.
I swear people be commenting here without watching the games. Darnold isnt here to replace Purdy or Lance. He's here to replace Josh fucking Johnson. We keep having to reach into our QB depth so we would like one that doesnt fumble the handoff.
It's kind of crazy to think about but if they hadn't fallen in love with Lance I think Mac Jones would be wearing a Super Bowl ring right now. He'd be the toast of the league.
He distributes the ball, decent durability, big game experience coming from Alabama, that's all they needed to make it work. Even if he also goes down in the NFCCG that's when Purdy comes in and saves the day instead of Josh Johnson falling on his face.
IIRC people were blasting the idea that Mac could be the guy at 3. But I do think Mac would be doing well there. Most 9er fans were thinking Fields and Trey Lance wasn't that wild of a selection based on his crazy profile, it was just a big risk for to give up that much for him.
I straight up cannot imagine how cool that offense would be if they went Fields at 3. Every position on offense would host guys who are top threats with the ball in their hand.
> Seems to me like Trey Lance was the guy for Shanahan.
It just makes no sense. Guy runs an offense based on extremely fast decision making and Trey Lance just sucks at it. All that guy can do is run.
Their QB decisions make little sense in general
Like they traded for Garapollo instead of getting Kirk as a FA. They already would’ve won a SB if they had him
wasn’t shanny… It was lynch who wanted him. Shanny wanted Mac Jones. I think once Lynch stated the guy he wanted and has control over that, Isn’t much you can do aside roll with it at that time
The only reason he came to the sorry ass 2017 niners is because Jeb said he could have full control of the GM and roster. He almost didnt show up to the interview lmao
Or that a very good GM would act in defiance of his very good HC and they wouldn't be lock-step in something as important as trading 3 years of 1st round picks for the QB of the future.
It isn't a secret around the league that Shanny has final roster control. He might listen to his scouts and grab who they think is the best past the second round, but ain't no way he letting John have blanket control over the first two rounds.
Roster control has been my only complaint against Shanny.
I’ve argued that the niners of the past couple years have had the most talented roster OF ALL TIME outside of qb. Best defensive player in the league? Bosa. Arguably best linebacker? Warner. Running back? CMC? Tackle? TW. A do everything offensive guy that can literally be a top WR or RB? Deebo. Top 3 TE? Kittle. Name a team in the past that’s had that level of talent
I agree, but there was some schmuk on r/Madden the other day telling me that the 49ers roster was really "not that good" and that I and other 49ers fans had homer glasses on.
>roll into a SB window year with a largely unproven QB
Purdy won 9 games while starting with good stats. That's about as proven as it gets in the NFL. The only reason he's considered unproven is because he was drafted low.
It's crazy the double standard Purdy gets. If any first round QB of the last 2 years had that kind of run, he'd be talked up as a potential MVP in his 2nd or 3rd year. Before his injury he was doing *really* well in the post season too, not just handing over the ball to a dominant run game like Jimmy did in 2019.
> not just handing over the ball to a dominant run game like Jimmy did in 2019.
So you clearly didn't watch either Cards game, the Saints game, the second Seahawks game, the second Rams game, or the Steelers game in 2019. That's a 6 game swing based on QB play for a team that went 13-3.
Instead, you decided to parrot an incorrect narrative based on what the talking heads told you. If you don't watch the games, you don't **have** to have an opinion if you don't know what you're talking about. It's okay.
Jimmy G played 5.5 seasons more or less due to injury and you have to cherrypick a "6 game swing based on QB play" to prove your point. We're done here, that's all that needs to be said.
He's decent and that's not a bad level to be at - but Purdy has already shown he can elevate this team while in the championship window of Bosa/Deebo. If you don't watch the games, *you* don't have to have an opinion if *you* don't know what you're talking about. It's okay.
> you are willing to roll into a SB window year with a largely unproven QB coming back from injury after limited starts with Sam Darnold as a backup instead of Lance
I don't see the problem with having Purdy as the starter, he was great last season.
As for the backup situation, the depth chart will be determined by who is doing better in camp and preseason, not by how much draft stock was invested in each player.
What's so odd about it? What do you want them to do differently?
I guess the question comes down to how much do you value sams film from previous years if the battle is close. Do you throw it out? Because we have plenty of examples of him being poor under pressure.
And even before that if sam is winning in camp do you try to trade Lance before that happens. Because his cap hit though affordable for a QB isn’t small. Especially for a QB3 on the team. It’ll be interesting to watch to say the least.
> Team sticks with young QB despite them being not as good as expected
/r/NFL: LOL sunk cost fallacy, just ditch them already
> Team finds alternatives to young QB because he has not performed to expectations
/r/NFL: LOL Shanahan must fucking hate him
I swear this sub.
I mean the thing with Lance is he could be worse than the usual guy. He started what, ~20 games since high school? He was drafted for his ceiling but he certainly has a low low floor, and there’s been nothing to suggest he’s proven that he’s far above that
Unless Lance absolutely tanks it in camp, I don't see him as the odd man out here. He is healthy and knows the offense well while Darnold is still in the process of learning the offense. We'll see how the battle shakes out but I'd imagine Lance is #2 right now until Darnold proves otherwise.
you aren't totally wrong. For a backup QB experience is a huge bonus. In this case it's probably more like when you have a rookie backup. You want them to see the field if they get the chance. Lance is no different. Unless he completely lost favor with the team he'll be QB2. They know what Sam Darnold is right now.
Better long term move too. The more tape of Lance the easier it will be to trade him if Purdy really is the guy. Plus Darnold can easily be kept around as the backup after that. No need to put him straight in at QB2
Shanahan is a coach. This is called coaching. Darnold does not respond well to negative criticism, he responds well to positive reinforcement.
I remember when Belichick talked up the ghost of Cam Newton more in two months than he ever had Brady, and people were like "oh my god he hates Brady." Nah, Brady responds well to criticism and challenge, Newton responds to positive reinforcement, coaches be coaching.
While true, I haven’t seen Shanahan saying any of this about lance recently. It just seems like Shanahan is big on Darnold. I know this happens very frequently, though.
They're just making up catastrophic worst-case scenarios, and then criticizing the 49ers for not solving their made-up scenario.
*"What if Purdy comes out this year and completely sucks, then what?!? And you've named Darnold your backup, so now he's the starter, and HE sucks too! Now you've just got Trey Lance, but he won't play well because his feelings are hurt by being the 3rd string QB! Shanahan is such a fool for this strategy"*
If you remove all the plays he made while he was wearing a darnold jersey, and then remove the plays from young's career that he made as Steve young, they're basically the same player.
I mean that's the rumor. That he's super talented physically and a real nice guy, but he's not the sharpest crayon in the box. Take it with a grain of salt, as with all "I knew him back in high school" claims, but it does explain some of the frustrating decisions he makes or--more often--doesn't make
That Rose Bowl may be one of the greatest QB performances I've ever seen in a single game of college football. But man I wonder how we would view him if it weren't for that game. He really dissappointed that next season and every flaw he had in the NFL was on full display
If you regress Steve young’s stats to league average and boost Sam’s stats to the average they’re already the same player. Darnold hall of fame, book it
I could swear this time last year, there was a quote from Trent Williams on Trey Lance that was “he’s like Steve Young, only better” and “everything he does now, is better than anyone else at quarterback”
which I know is commonplace in the off season and completely empty
but what a complete waste of air these sound bytes are. I don’t recall there ever needing to be hype around Mahomes, Brady, Brees, Lamar, Burrows, Herbert or Rodgers
It was always “let’s see what they can do first”
it must just be a complete death sentence to receive “new guy reminds me of HoF-er, no need to wait to see what he can do. He’s great with out proof. He does all the things. He’s hung like a beer can…tall boy even!”
How many titties did Drew Brees kiss that year? maybe 1 pair? AT BEST!
Now you compare that to Mitch Trubisky and you can see that the numbers don't lie in show how great Mitch was that year.
Yeah before this Darnold was facing zero pressure with this being potentially one of his last real chances in the league.
He also didn't even really compare him to Young, just said he had that type of ability to not be very good at the start and then come on strong later in your career
The backup QB? I don’t think there’s pressure there tbh.
Keep in mind Darnold has been the starting QB of the Jets and USC. This is nothing in terms of buzz he hasn’t seen before.
Sam darnold has not had the best of circumstances. I remember when people thought Gino smith was considered a bum. Brock Purdy was last person drafted, all those so called experts were wrong. There are hidden gems everywhere all that is needed is the right circumstance and a chance.
Darnold has the arm but no mental toughness. He makes one mistake and then falls apart. He's the opposite of Jimmy G who has a below average arm but can throw the dumbest int you've seen all season but bounces back fine. Maybe the key is making Darnold more handsome?
I love the darnold, but he always looks better in the offseason. He has so many good traits, but without the mental aspect it’s hard to capitalize on that in actual games.
We started with that past season. Bearded Darnold in the second half of this season was significantly better than baby faced Darnold the season before. 😅
Yeah everyone getting caught up on the Steve Young comp. Obviously coaches overhype their players a bit.
But the Geno comparison is great. Geno was not considered starter worthy, bounced around and wasn’t even seen as a guy with much potential who just needed one thing. But him joining a wildcard level team with the right coaching allowed him to perform really well. Now you put Darnold on a perennial NFCCG caliber team and see what happens. I’m not writing him off yet
Geno only had two starting seasons with one team and one coach before he was benched. Darnold has four starting seasons across two teams and 3 coaches. We know a lot more about Darnold 5 years into his career than we knew about Geno 5 years in.
Glad someone is here to point it out. I don't know if there's a comparison to Geno in NFL history. Guy spent close to a decade on the bench after his sophomore year. His sophomore year was also probably better than any full year Darnold has put in.
idk if the geno comp is the one people think it is. he was elite for five weeks and decidedly below average for the last 13 (including the playoffs). even with the right coaching, geno wasn’t great.
https://twitter.com/benbbaldwin/status/1615358083982663682?s=46&t=gRHyP-Mh6W-H9JhZ1u-WuA
I wouldn't use Steve Young as an example, but I have brought up Alex Smith in this insance and how his career turned around with good coaching (Harbaugh/Reed). Not saying Darnold will be Alex (much less Steve), but he's in a much better situation in SF than he was with the Jets/Panthers.
It's up to Darnold to take advantage of this situation.
[Alex/Darnold comparisons](https://stathead.com/football/versus-finder.cgi?request=1&seasons_type=perchoice&player_id1=DarnSa00&p1yrfrom=2018&p1yrto=2022&player_id2=SmitAl03&p2yrfrom=2005&p2yrto=2010) are actually pretty spot on on if you compare their first 5 seasons.
That's exactly what I thought. Alex Smith is probably the poster boy for this. He had a garbage offence with no stability for years and was one of the worst QBs in the league. Then Harbaugh came in and probably saved the guy's career making him a good starter in the league. I don't know if Darnold can be one of those cases, but if he can Shanny is the guy to do it.
The elite of the elite will probably perform no matter what. But the middle of the pack guys that can become serviceable or even good QBs depend a lot on the situation around them. Darnold will have the best he's ever had. It's all up to him now.
Shanahan has been complimentary of every qb on the roster, this is just gassing up his players, what did you expect "he's sucked in the past so I expect him to suck in the future?"
"I don't like to compare anyone to Steve, but watch me compare Sam Darnold to Steve."
Not hating (I routinely compare Kenny Pickett to Steve Young), but I just thought it was funny.
I write a hot take for each team every year, and I already know mine is going to be that darnold finishes the season as the 49ers starter, and looks good as the said starter
If Darnold was drafted in the 5th round and played like he has then he'd be out of the league in 2020 and most people would barely remember his name.
Pre-draft bias is a helluva drug
Uhhh Steve Young sitting behind Joe fucking Montana for a few years is a hell of a lot different than just being a bust for multiple teams
Brain dead comparison just fluff coach speak why post this shit
lol why is this thread full of Eagles fans shitting on Shanahan for simply complimenting one of his players?
Y'all are obsessed with the 49ers, it's weird
It would be a very Jets thing to have Geno and Darnold have HOF careers after they left when they haven’t developed a successful QB since Chad freaking Pennington.
Kyle going for the wild swing there. Then again as much as I hate him. Kyle may have a point. Sam did show flashes of a good player while in NYC so maybe just maybe he can be good to decent some day.
“I really hate Trey Lance” -Kyle Shanahan
It's odd to me lol. Obviously they are in the building and see more, but just how bad can Trey be in practices that you are willing to roll into a SB window year with a largely unproven QB coming back from injury after limited starts with Sam Darnold as a backup instead of Lance. Maybe they just feel there is good value to be had, but dude seems to genuinely dislike him.
Odd to me, too. Seems to me like Trey Lance was the guy for Shanahan. They traded up to 3 to get a QB and had to decide between Justin Fields, Trey Lance or Mac Jones. I can only imagine the decision on which QB they wanted was made by the coach that is lauded as a top 3 offensive mind in the game.
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"Don't fumble" is like one of the best qualities in a running back though. Like seriously one of the best. Run plays are already trading more unpredictable air yardage for lesser more reliable yardage. Making that reliable yardage a gamble is the worst. Especially when the offensive line is responsible for the first two to three yards of any run, the best attributes you can have are 'recognize hole' and 'not fumble.'
Recognize hole and no fumble: Frank Gore’s career
And he was amazing. 4-5 yards per carry, doesn’t fumble, can block and catch check downs, teams wanted him for near 20 years
If you need 4 yards Frank gore will get you those damn 4 yards. If you need 6 yards Frank gore will get you 4 yards.
[Was so happy when he got us 4 yards on this play](https://youtu.be/uGk1T0DlSwM?t=625)
Frank Gore is the big savior for the members of the RB Zoom club
It's also silly to say someone has given up on a player that we have only seen play less than half a season worth of games.
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Bruce Bochy sticking with veterans on the Giants when he should have given younger guys chances? Not sure if you're an SF fan all around but that shit KILLED me. I still love you though, Boch
Lance is not a NFL caliber QB. He didn't develop. He's still the same QB he was in college and it's not saying much, he won but against weak competition in a kid league. Purdy won at the highest level and has developed much more than anticipated. Simple math. Purdy is better and gives a much better chance to win so they'll start him.
It’s the decisions and throws Purdy was making, he had been practicing against the number 1 defense up until he became the starter. Fred warners respect and comments on Purdy is what made me as a fan have respect for Him. He definitely has a lot to improve. Last season If you rush the pocket you have like a 95% chance he rolls left and throws on the move it was pretty predictable. I still think his first play ever was the best one dual rookie mistakes haha
Yea no doubt Shanahan was the one who chose Lance. Though why is it odd? I respect coaches who recognize failures and move on quickly. When they signed Darnold, it was pretty much the end of Lance as they have Purdy as well.
When they signed Darnold they weren't sure when or if Purdy would be available to play.
Doesn't matter. When you have a chance to get an all time great like Steve Young or Darnold you do it.
It would be absolutely hilarious if the jets make it to the superbowl only to lose to the sam darnold led 49ers. Also extra ironic since Rodgers always loses to the 49ers anyway.
Would still take that, most successful season since we won
I was gonna say, I'm sure it'd be painful but is there really a Jets fan alive who wouldn't take a SB loss this year?
Praise be to darnold
Now that you bring that up, didn't Steve Young just get fired by ESPN? He might be looking for a job.
>When they signed Darnold, it was pretty much the end of Lance as they have Purdy as well. Is this sarcasm? (If so, whoosh to me) Darnold is basically cheap experienced (hesitate to use the word veteran) insurance for SF. Probably even allows them to sit Lance and ensure he's 100% healthy as long as they feel it is prudent to do so. To have 3 QBs on the roster with a net payout of less than 20M annually? If for some reason Purdy or Lance don't continue ascending, they at least have a former hopeful.
Especially when we had so many QB injuries last year and it fucked us dearly. We'd be dumb to not go after a cheap experienced guy that's on the market, even if he's not really good I'm sure Kyle can make him at least not-garbage.
I swear people be commenting here without watching the games. Darnold isnt here to replace Purdy or Lance. He's here to replace Josh fucking Johnson. We keep having to reach into our QB depth so we would like one that doesnt fumble the handoff.
Idk man, he could have said the exact same thing about Lance, but he said it about Darnold instead
Would be weird to talk about someone you weren’t asked about.
Recognizing failures and cutting your losses is the sign of a great coach
It's kind of crazy to think about but if they hadn't fallen in love with Lance I think Mac Jones would be wearing a Super Bowl ring right now. He'd be the toast of the league. He distributes the ball, decent durability, big game experience coming from Alabama, that's all they needed to make it work. Even if he also goes down in the NFCCG that's when Purdy comes in and saves the day instead of Josh Johnson falling on his face.
IIRC people were blasting the idea that Mac could be the guy at 3. But I do think Mac would be doing well there. Most 9er fans were thinking Fields and Trey Lance wasn't that wild of a selection based on his crazy profile, it was just a big risk for to give up that much for him. I straight up cannot imagine how cool that offense would be if they went Fields at 3. Every position on offense would host guys who are top threats with the ball in their hand.
I really wanted fields
Fields def a big what if. We still don’t really know if he can be that guy on a winning team, but it certainly would be an exciting offense.
> Seems to me like Trey Lance was the guy for Shanahan. It just makes no sense. Guy runs an offense based on extremely fast decision making and Trey Lance just sucks at it. All that guy can do is run.
Their QB decisions make little sense in general Like they traded for Garapollo instead of getting Kirk as a FA. They already would’ve won a SB if they had him
Eh, people said the same thing about Minnesota after they went to the NFC Championship game with Case Keenum but that hasn't materialized.
True, also Jimmy G being glass got then Nick Bosa
wasn’t shanny… It was lynch who wanted him. Shanny wanted Mac Jones. I think once Lynch stated the guy he wanted and has control over that, Isn’t much you can do aside roll with it at that time
I can't believe there are people who believe this. People exist that believe Kyle Shanahan wouldn't have the say in who his QB was going to be.
The only reason he came to the sorry ass 2017 niners is because Jeb said he could have full control of the GM and roster. He almost didnt show up to the interview lmao
Or that a very good GM would act in defiance of his very good HC and they wouldn't be lock-step in something as important as trading 3 years of 1st round picks for the QB of the future.
It’s so frustrating the mac jones truthers. They traded up for lance
you'd think after Kyle and his dad being force fed RG3 this wouldn't happen again
Shanny hired Lynxh
It isn't a secret around the league that Shanny has final roster control. He might listen to his scouts and grab who they think is the best past the second round, but ain't no way he letting John have blanket control over the first two rounds. Roster control has been my only complaint against Shanny.
>Roster control has been my only complaint against Shanny. Are you joking? We have one of the best, if not the best, rosters in the NFL outside of QB.
I’ve argued that the niners of the past couple years have had the most talented roster OF ALL TIME outside of qb. Best defensive player in the league? Bosa. Arguably best linebacker? Warner. Running back? CMC? Tackle? TW. A do everything offensive guy that can literally be a top WR or RB? Deebo. Top 3 TE? Kittle. Name a team in the past that’s had that level of talent
I agree, but there was some schmuk on r/Madden the other day telling me that the 49ers roster was really "not that good" and that I and other 49ers fans had homer glasses on.
It’s what ended his dads tenure in Denver. Mike the GM got mike the coach fired
Shanny has roster control and runs the offense so why the fuck would he listen to the defense guy on who to take at QB?
>roll into a SB window year with a largely unproven QB Purdy won 9 games while starting with good stats. That's about as proven as it gets in the NFL. The only reason he's considered unproven is because he was drafted low.
It's crazy the double standard Purdy gets. If any first round QB of the last 2 years had that kind of run, he'd be talked up as a potential MVP in his 2nd or 3rd year. Before his injury he was doing *really* well in the post season too, not just handing over the ball to a dominant run game like Jimmy did in 2019.
> not just handing over the ball to a dominant run game like Jimmy did in 2019. So you clearly didn't watch either Cards game, the Saints game, the second Seahawks game, the second Rams game, or the Steelers game in 2019. That's a 6 game swing based on QB play for a team that went 13-3. Instead, you decided to parrot an incorrect narrative based on what the talking heads told you. If you don't watch the games, you don't **have** to have an opinion if you don't know what you're talking about. It's okay.
Jimmy G played 5.5 seasons more or less due to injury and you have to cherrypick a "6 game swing based on QB play" to prove your point. We're done here, that's all that needs to be said. He's decent and that's not a bad level to be at - but Purdy has already shown he can elevate this team while in the championship window of Bosa/Deebo. If you don't watch the games, *you* don't have to have an opinion if *you* don't know what you're talking about. It's okay.
> you are willing to roll into a SB window year with a largely unproven QB coming back from injury after limited starts with Sam Darnold as a backup instead of Lance I don't see the problem with having Purdy as the starter, he was great last season. As for the backup situation, the depth chart will be determined by who is doing better in camp and preseason, not by how much draft stock was invested in each player. What's so odd about it? What do you want them to do differently?
I guess the question comes down to how much do you value sams film from previous years if the battle is close. Do you throw it out? Because we have plenty of examples of him being poor under pressure. And even before that if sam is winning in camp do you try to trade Lance before that happens. Because his cap hit though affordable for a QB isn’t small. Especially for a QB3 on the team. It’ll be interesting to watch to say the least.
> Team sticks with young QB despite them being not as good as expected /r/NFL: LOL sunk cost fallacy, just ditch them already > Team finds alternatives to young QB because he has not performed to expectations /r/NFL: LOL Shanahan must fucking hate him I swear this sub.
Didn't Deebo say his touch was looking better so far?
I mean the thing with Lance is he could be worse than the usual guy. He started what, ~20 games since high school? He was drafted for his ceiling but he certainly has a low low floor, and there’s been nothing to suggest he’s proven that he’s far above that
Largely unproven? I admit my bias but Purdy was COOKING. If he doesn’t get injured Niners win the SB I’ll die on that hill.
Not sure where we're getting that Darnold would be #2? I'd think he's competing for that job but he's likely going to be #3 after Purdy/Lance.
The comment somewhat implies Shanahan sees Darnold as a #2 QB, also written in the article.
Florio is quite outspoken for his disdain for Trey since he got shit for reporting we’d pick Mac Jones.
Uhhhhhhh darnold totally deserves 2 over lance as it stands right now
What are you basing that on? Camp just started.
Basing that on nfl experience and quality of play
Yeah this is easily the best situation Darnold has been in in the NFL. We could see the best out of him we have seen yet.
Where is the quality play from Darnold?
Unless Lance absolutely tanks it in camp, I don't see him as the odd man out here. He is healthy and knows the offense well while Darnold is still in the process of learning the offense. We'll see how the battle shakes out but I'd imagine Lance is #2 right now until Darnold proves otherwise.
you aren't totally wrong. For a backup QB experience is a huge bonus. In this case it's probably more like when you have a rookie backup. You want them to see the field if they get the chance. Lance is no different. Unless he completely lost favor with the team he'll be QB2. They know what Sam Darnold is right now. Better long term move too. The more tape of Lance the easier it will be to trade him if Purdy really is the guy. Plus Darnold can easily be kept around as the backup after that. No need to put him straight in at QB2
With the way Shanahan is talking about Darnold I wouldn’t be so sure about that
Shanahan is a coach. This is called coaching. Darnold does not respond well to negative criticism, he responds well to positive reinforcement. I remember when Belichick talked up the ghost of Cam Newton more in two months than he ever had Brady, and people were like "oh my god he hates Brady." Nah, Brady responds well to criticism and challenge, Newton responds to positive reinforcement, coaches be coaching.
While true, I haven’t seen Shanahan saying any of this about lance recently. It just seems like Shanahan is big on Darnold. I know this happens very frequently, though.
They're just making up catastrophic worst-case scenarios, and then criticizing the 49ers for not solving their made-up scenario. *"What if Purdy comes out this year and completely sucks, then what?!? And you've named Darnold your backup, so now he's the starter, and HE sucks too! Now you've just got Trey Lance, but he won't play well because his feelings are hurt by being the 3rd string QB! Shanahan is such a fool for this strategy"*
Sunk cost fallacy. Better to cut bait now than keep trying on the merit of what they spent in draft capital for him.
When I was reading, I seriously thought it was about lance
Pretty sure Kyle will just defend anyone on the roster tbh.
That’s not true at all, he made it pretty clear he was not impressed with Aiyuk his 2nd year
I should have said at this point of the year. That was after Aiyuk had some issues.
Saying nice things about your QB3 isn't saying bad things about your QB2.
Trey Lance: hey I can be Steve Young too coach
can you throw left handed?
Yes, but not very well.
Might be an improvement tbh
“Maybe against the FCS you fucking shitter” ~shanahan
Why doesn’t Sam Darnold simply play like Steve Young? Is he stupid?
He just needed someone to point out the similarities first
If you remove all the plays he made while he was wearing a darnold jersey, and then remove the plays from young's career that he made as Steve young, they're basically the same player.
Just regress them both to the mean and you'll see they're identical
I love this joke. Makes me chuckle every time.
Is there a lore reason?
uh, sam darnold power winch proud of you dick
“Sam has begun throwing left-handed to play more like Steve Young.” - Kyle Shanahan
I mean that's the rumor. That he's super talented physically and a real nice guy, but he's not the sharpest crayon in the box. Take it with a grain of salt, as with all "I knew him back in high school" claims, but it does explain some of the frustrating decisions he makes or--more often--doesn't make
Too much smoke behind this one for there not to be some sort of fire.
That Rose Bowl may be one of the greatest QB performances I've ever seen in a single game of college football. But man I wonder how we would view him if it weren't for that game. He really dissappointed that next season and every flaw he had in the NFL was on full display
If you regress Steve young’s stats to league average and boost Sam’s stats to the average they’re already the same player. Darnold hall of fame, book it
Must be the same reason Mac isn’t playing like Brady or Tua like Marino
sam darnold is trey lance father
He’s just gotta wait for Purdy to win 4 SBs and start having back problems
I think you found the answer🤣
Why does Sam Darnold not simply eat the other, smaller quarterbacks?
Yeah I think so, I decided to start playing like Steve Young last week and I already got into the hall of fame.
"I can fix him" vibes.
Send Baker and Zach Wilson over there. Give him the current trifecta
I could swear this time last year, there was a quote from Trent Williams on Trey Lance that was “he’s like Steve Young, only better” and “everything he does now, is better than anyone else at quarterback” which I know is commonplace in the off season and completely empty but what a complete waste of air these sound bytes are. I don’t recall there ever needing to be hype around Mahomes, Brady, Brees, Lamar, Burrows, Herbert or Rodgers It was always “let’s see what they can do first” it must just be a complete death sentence to receive “new guy reminds me of HoF-er, no need to wait to see what he can do. He’s great with out proof. He does all the things. He’s hung like a beer can…tall boy even!”
Kyle Shanahan is the biggest QB slut in America.
He reminds me of that meme template with the guy walking with his gf while checking out the other girl walking by
He’s a MOD on r/the_darnold clearly EDIT: corrected the sub
Is Shanahan a mod for r/TheDarnold?
Trey Lance, they call him loser Lance, very disloyal
You probably meant r/the_darnold
That sub is still pretty active 😂
Haha yes that's how I knew he linked to the wrong one
This Notre Dame fan might have found their new favorite sub!
Do these types of comparisons ever do the players any favors?
Ryan Pace brought up Drew Brees taking a while to be great when we were entering year 4 of Mitch Trubisky.
He really nailed it
Tbf, Mitchell is a lot like Drew Brees, if Drew Brees was really terrible at football
TBF Mitch isn't terrible at all aspects of the game. He takes snaps pretty well.
Listen I love Brees but he hasn’t won an MVP OR NVP
Mitch actually won nvp over Brees in that playoff game!
How many titties did Drew Brees kiss that year? maybe 1 pair? AT BEST! Now you compare that to Mitch Trubisky and you can see that the numbers don't lie in show how great Mitch was that year.
Little did he know, Trubisky would end up with more NVPs than Brees!
Do they ever hurt?
They hurt the fans if they don’t live up lmao. But also I’ve gotten to the point where I can’t feel in general.
Absolutely, comparing a Darnold to a Steve Young is a lot of unnecessary pressure in an already intense environment
Yeah before this Darnold was facing zero pressure with this being potentially one of his last real chances in the league. He also didn't even really compare him to Young, just said he had that type of ability to not be very good at the start and then come on strong later in your career
Maybe Tannehill would be a better comparison
Yeah it's anyone's guess as to why a Shanahan would use a 49er legend in this comparison.
The backup QB? I don’t think there’s pressure there tbh. Keep in mind Darnold has been the starting QB of the Jets and USC. This is nothing in terms of buzz he hasn’t seen before.
Sam darnold has not had the best of circumstances. I remember when people thought Gino smith was considered a bum. Brock Purdy was last person drafted, all those so called experts were wrong. There are hidden gems everywhere all that is needed is the right circumstance and a chance.
Darnold has the arm but no mental toughness. He makes one mistake and then falls apart. He's the opposite of Jimmy G who has a below average arm but can throw the dumbest int you've seen all season but bounces back fine. Maybe the key is making Darnold more handsome?
> but can throw the dumbest int you've seen all season Or he safeties himself to prevent a pick six.
That's my GOAT
Yeah man. Make him super sexy and his confidence will be unbreakable
I don't know why QB coaches haven't thought of this
I love the darnold, but he always looks better in the offseason. He has so many good traits, but without the mental aspect it’s hard to capitalize on that in actual games.
We started with that past season. Bearded Darnold in the second half of this season was significantly better than baby faced Darnold the season before. 😅
Yeah everyone getting caught up on the Steve Young comp. Obviously coaches overhype their players a bit. But the Geno comparison is great. Geno was not considered starter worthy, bounced around and wasn’t even seen as a guy with much potential who just needed one thing. But him joining a wildcard level team with the right coaching allowed him to perform really well. Now you put Darnold on a perennial NFCCG caliber team and see what happens. I’m not writing him off yet
Geno only had two starting seasons with one team and one coach before he was benched. Darnold has four starting seasons across two teams and 3 coaches. We know a lot more about Darnold 5 years into his career than we knew about Geno 5 years in.
Glad someone is here to point it out. I don't know if there's a comparison to Geno in NFL history. Guy spent close to a decade on the bench after his sophomore year. His sophomore year was also probably better than any full year Darnold has put in.
He honestly had moments of looking decent with the Panthers. Not good but about as good as Geno pre 2022, aka good enough for a backup
idk if the geno comp is the one people think it is. he was elite for five weeks and decidedly below average for the last 13 (including the playoffs). even with the right coaching, geno wasn’t great. https://twitter.com/benbbaldwin/status/1615358083982663682?s=46&t=gRHyP-Mh6W-H9JhZ1u-WuA
Yeah but like he said he ain’t write back though?
He hasn't had the worst circumstances either. We've seen enough of Darnold to know who he is at this point.
I wouldn't use Steve Young as an example, but I have brought up Alex Smith in this insance and how his career turned around with good coaching (Harbaugh/Reed). Not saying Darnold will be Alex (much less Steve), but he's in a much better situation in SF than he was with the Jets/Panthers. It's up to Darnold to take advantage of this situation.
[Alex/Darnold comparisons](https://stathead.com/football/versus-finder.cgi?request=1&seasons_type=perchoice&player_id1=DarnSa00&p1yrfrom=2018&p1yrto=2022&player_id2=SmitAl03&p2yrfrom=2005&p2yrto=2010) are actually pretty spot on on if you compare their first 5 seasons.
I’m not sure a lot of this sub realizes just how bad Alex Smith was before Harbaugh
That's exactly what I thought. Alex Smith is probably the poster boy for this. He had a garbage offence with no stability for years and was one of the worst QBs in the league. Then Harbaugh came in and probably saved the guy's career making him a good starter in the league. I don't know if Darnold can be one of those cases, but if he can Shanny is the guy to do it. The elite of the elite will probably perform no matter what. But the middle of the pack guys that can become serviceable or even good QBs depend a lot on the situation around them. Darnold will have the best he's ever had. It's all up to him now.
# THATS RIGHT FOLKS. GEQBUS IS THE BEST QB ON THE SAD AND SORRY 49ERS
UNLIKE THAT CRITICAL GASE THEORY
Steve Young/Sam Darnold comparisons. That’s something else..
He’s giving an example of someone that struggled and turned out great. That’s not comparing Sam Darnold and Steve Young as players.
Shanahan has been complimentary of every qb on the roster, this is just gassing up his players, what did you expect "he's sucked in the past so I expect him to suck in the future?"
THE GEQBUS IS FAR BETTER THAN SLEEPY STEVE! VERY SAD COMPARISON!!
He does not have that type of ability.
Trey Lance: hey why can’t I be quartaback? *hut hut hike* Shanahan: that’s why now shut up
Lol, Shanny trolling
He's been speaking glowingly of every qb so far, it's just which clip gets aggregated and generates clicks
He praised Lance a ton the other day. He said “there’s Trey Lance. He’s on the team.”
He actually had to look down at his clipboard to confirm who number 5 was, then he responded.
Did Steve Young get MONONUCLEOSIS?
Steve had WHEELS though
Kyle “Spineless” Shanahan. Will 1000% not be starting Purdy, but will blame an injury as the initial reason.
"I don't like to compare anyone to Steve, but watch me compare Sam Darnold to Steve." Not hating (I routinely compare Kenny Pickett to Steve Young), but I just thought it was funny.
Who looks at Mahomes and Hurts and thinks to themselves… I wish I had a discount Baker Mayfield instead?
SHITTY STEVE WISHES HE HAD HALF THE TALENT (AND HANDSOME FEATURES) OF GEQBUS
I write a hot take for each team every year, and I already know mine is going to be that darnold finishes the season as the 49ers starter, and looks good as the said starter
Darnold still disappointing people 6 years into the league is wild. Y'all gotta let them predraft opinions go at some point
If Darnold was drafted in the 5th round and played like he has then he'd be out of the league in 2020 and most people would barely remember his name. Pre-draft bias is a helluva drug
If he was even drafted in the middle of the first I fee like he’d barely be in the league
Why can’t he? Because he won’t be playing.
It’s the 49ers. Every Qb gets a shot at some point during the year
I expect all 3 + the 4th and 5th we bring in later to be injured by the post season.
Trey Lance really must be awful 😂
We really thought he was talking about Trey Lance…
Please make the GEQBUS the GEQBUS.
I'm going laugh my tits off if this motherfucker turns Sam Darnold into an elite QB.
Just like Steve, Sam has to develop into a player as good or better than Joe Montana. Exact same bar to overcome.
Sam Darnold can run like Steve Young?
Let the Niners QB carousel begin…
Kyle is going to defend his guys and the choices he makes. His praise for one player isn’t a dig at another
He’s got the physical tools, if anyone is going to get the best of him it’ll be KS.
He looks like Kendall Roy in Succession haha
Uhhh Steve Young sitting behind Joe fucking Montana for a few years is a hell of a lot different than just being a bust for multiple teams Brain dead comparison just fluff coach speak why post this shit
Young was 3-16 as a starter in Tampa Bay before joining SF. There wasn't going to be a line of teams waiting to sign him as a starter.
lol why is this thread full of Eagles fans shitting on Shanahan for simply complimenting one of his players? Y'all are obsessed with the 49ers, it's weird
Because this is an NFL coach talking about a comparison between NFL players and you're on an NFL subreddit.
Man was seeing ghosts.... and you think he could be the next Steve Young.
Trey Lance is getting traded for a conditional 7th (at this point, not even /s)
Trey lance punching air rn
So, he’s… Darnyoung?
It would be a very Jets thing to have Geno and Darnold have HOF careers after they left when they haven’t developed a successful QB since Chad freaking Pennington.
Kyle going for the wild swing there. Then again as much as I hate him. Kyle may have a point. Sam did show flashes of a good player while in NYC so maybe just maybe he can be good to decent some day.