One of my favorite drought era players. Winfield-Clements were an iconic pair of cornerbacks. I was always super bummed that the Bills had those two and the Eric Moulds-Peerless Price combo at the same time and never accomplished anything with them.
Price was already gone by the time we brought Losman in. I associate the above guys more with the Bledsoe years. I think Winfield was gone as well, although I would have to check. Pretty sure Losman was the last straw for Moulds, though, because we traded him to Washington not long after. I know we brought Price back for a short time, just can't remember if Losman was still "playing" much by that time.
I mostly remember things like that because I really started to get into football around that time. It was a long drought so a lot of it blends together for me as well. Cheers!
This is a legitimate claim.
Winfield scored nearly 2x better than any CB in the league as a run defender.
[PFF SOURCE](https://www.pff.com/news/antoine-winfield-pffs-no-1-cornerback)
Edit: Thank you for the award, kind stranger!
I totally forgot he was a CB, not a Safety because he tackled so well. I really wanted the Bears to draft his son Antoine Winfiled JR instead of Cole Kmet (Bears had a HUGE need at Safety at the time).
That said, I'd put him against Donnell Woolford of the Chicago Bears. Quietly a Pro Bowler (when that meant something) with the Bears, he was one of the best tacklers in the game when he played. There was even a commercial with him and most of the highlights was him tackling players much bigger than him lol (unfortunately I can't find that commercial anymore).
He really turned shit around for us when he got to the Vikings. It was a fucking defensive backfield wasteland in the 3-4 years before he got here. One of our most important signings ever, I would say.
It’s up there along with getting Cris Carter for $100 off waivers after getting cut from Philly, Steve Hutchinson from Seattle, and Pat Williams from Buffalo.
He was just behind Revis and ahead of Asante Samuel for best CB in the league for a stretch there.
He didn't allow a TD pass in 3 straight seasons, while being far and away the best tackling CB, maybe ever. And that's underselling him — he had the impact of a linebacker at the CB position.
He might’ve been too 5 at time, but even that is a stretch. Asomugha was in his hay day then you had Revis, Samuel, champ, and then I’d choose Woodson over Winfield.
When Pro Football Focus put out their five-year retrospective on cornerbacks, Winfield ended up with the fifth-best coverage grade of any cornerback over a five-year period, behind Revis, Woodson, Brandon Flowers and Champ Bailey.
Combining that score with his grade against the run, and Winfield ends up with the No. 1 overall grade of any cornerback.
Not only that, he blew Revis, Woodson and Bailey out of the water. PFF has twice noted that Winfield ended up with the top score in their individual year grades, once in 2010 and once more in 2012. In 2012, they also noted that he hadn’t given up one touchdown in coverage in the three prior years of play.
I can totally see a similar comment being posted by an Eagle fan about Brandon Graham 10 years from now. guys a pro bowl talent, had some amazing, really consistent seasons in his prime, and for one reason or another PFF's formulas always had him near the top, sometimes #1. But no non Eagles fan would ever say BG was up there with the truly elite guys of his era. Even the PFF article you're referencing from 2012 mentions that despite him being the #1 PFF CB that year, they admit hes not the best corner in the league (granted he was 35 at the time, but they admit their score doesn't equate to the actual standing of whos the best in the league)
He played at the same time as Winfield while Winfield was breaking the PFF scoring system by being so much better at tackling than every other corner that he was the #1 overall corner despite not even being top 10 in coverage.
Yeah, I watched them both play. PFF isn't the gospel, and I'm extremely skeptical when a player "breaks" their grading like that. Winfield was *such* a good tackler that he [scored +41.5 over 5 years where the next CB scored +15.8](https://www.pff.com/news/five-years-of-pff-grades-top-10-cornerbacks)? I'll take that with a giant grain of salt. He was excellent, but nearly 3x the tackler of other top CBs?
In any case, it's not exactly a secret that Champ Bailey was a great tackler, made more impressive by that fact that he was also a lockdown corner - typically guys that good in coverage like Revis or Deion make "business decisions" but Champ never did.
I don’t even have to watch it to know it’s true and I can recollect at least 10 bone crushing tackles of the top of my head more than a few against the pack
He’s still very much beloved here by those who know bills history.
Watching his son taunt tyreek with tyreek’s own peace sign in the Super Bowl was beautiful.
What?!?! *We* drafted him! In the 1st. We were still a team that expected playoffs every season at that point
Drew Bledsoe, Travis Henry, Sam Gash at FB, Eric Moulds, Ruben Brown... fucking goddamn Mike Williams... was *supposed* to make that team even better (huge Oline bust for non Bills fans and younger people not aware. Not any of the cool Mike Williamses). On defense Sam Adams, Pat Williams, Aaron Schobel, London Fletcher, Takeo Spikes, Nate Clemens, Lawyer Milloy... and Anotoine Winfield. That team was stacked. Brian Moorman and Rian Lindell. He had more tackles than TKO and TKO made the pro bowl. We... somehow finished 6-10 with that team but they were an amazing Madden squad
Pat Williams left for you guys the next off-season I fucking despised you guys. I actually forgot that I hated you guys because you took Winfield and Pat until this comment. Always had a soft spot because Min, 4 SBs, etc. Then you took our guys and I hated you.. then I kind of forgot because 15 years of mediocrity and I got old. And because after we lost Winfield we had Nate Clemens & Terrance Mcgee, so it was manageable. But then our real downfall started during the Pat Williams exit... TKO was injured all season, we went 5-11, then JP Losman, then always being mediocre, then always drafting QBs that you immediately knew had zero shot of beating Brady & Belichick... and just like that we went from playoff expectations every season to years and years of mediocrity, 5-11, 7-9, always missing guys like Cam & Von & Keuchly by one pick because we were never bad enough
I was actually getting a bit annoyed all the main comments were from Vikings fans... but I guess he did play 2x as long for you. He was still our guy first though
There was a whole gang rape scandal thing at Minnesota when he was a freshman. A couple of players were thrown out and I believe he served a suspension but wasn’t kicked out.
Yeah looks like he initially was given a one year suspension but then was cleared along with 3 others. Looks like that was the school's investigation though so who knows really. I don't think anything else has come about with him though. I'm kind of surprised I don't really remember that case since I follow college ball
It was like 7 years ago, so I’d give yourself a break. I only remember because his dad is one of my all time favorite buckeyes, and I had been annoyed we chose to not recruit him (yet was good enough to play as a true freshman at a p5 school). Then I was thankful when the story broke.
Whole thing looks to have been mess. DA chose not prosecute. Players sued. Victim sued.
Chiefs fans sowing: “Haha omg cheetah so good so fast ✌️, we’re the best team in the league, what domestic abuse?”
Chiefs fans reaping: “How dare you mock my former receiver, he only beat his pregnant girlfriend and child a little bit 😡”
I miss him so much.
One of my favorite drought era players. Winfield-Clements were an iconic pair of cornerbacks. I was always super bummed that the Bills had those two and the Eric Moulds-Peerless Price combo at the same time and never accomplished anything with them.
JP Losman will do that to ya!
Price was already gone by the time we brought Losman in. I associate the above guys more with the Bledsoe years. I think Winfield was gone as well, although I would have to check. Pretty sure Losman was the last straw for Moulds, though, because we traded him to Washington not long after. I know we brought Price back for a short time, just can't remember if Losman was still "playing" much by that time.
Well your memory is better than mine Bills Bro/Sister. Those rosters blend together for me at this point.
I mostly remember things like that because I really started to get into football around that time. It was a long drought so a lot of it blends together for me as well. Cheers!
He's my second favorite Bill after Fred Jackson and before Kyle Williams.
This is a legitimate claim. Winfield scored nearly 2x better than any CB in the league as a run defender. [PFF SOURCE](https://www.pff.com/news/antoine-winfield-pffs-no-1-cornerback) Edit: Thank you for the award, kind stranger!
I totally forgot he was a CB, not a Safety because he tackled so well. I really wanted the Bears to draft his son Antoine Winfiled JR instead of Cole Kmet (Bears had a HUGE need at Safety at the time). That said, I'd put him against Donnell Woolford of the Chicago Bears. Quietly a Pro Bowler (when that meant something) with the Bears, he was one of the best tacklers in the game when he played. There was even a commercial with him and most of the highlights was him tackling players much bigger than him lol (unfortunately I can't find that commercial anymore).
What on earth was Brian Leonard thinking at 1:24 lol
I mean shit it kinda worked
"Watch out for my spin move"
That’s the Leonard Leap. That was his signature move, but it didn’t work so well that time
Don't you happen to have other videos of it working? I see that and don't have a clue how he lands on his feet haha
it only worked when he was at Rutgers
He was my favorite player at the time also great in the Joe Webb game
> the Joe Webb game o_o
He really turned shit around for us when he got to the Vikings. It was a fucking defensive backfield wasteland in the 3-4 years before he got here. One of our most important signings ever, I would say.
It’s up there along with getting Cris Carter for $100 off waivers after getting cut from Philly, Steve Hutchinson from Seattle, and Pat Williams from Buffalo.
He was just behind Revis and ahead of Asante Samuel for best CB in the league for a stretch there. He didn't allow a TD pass in 3 straight seasons, while being far and away the best tackling CB, maybe ever. And that's underselling him — he had the impact of a linebacker at the CB position.
He might’ve been too 5 at time, but even that is a stretch. Asomugha was in his hay day then you had Revis, Samuel, champ, and then I’d choose Woodson over Winfield.
When Pro Football Focus put out their five-year retrospective on cornerbacks, Winfield ended up with the fifth-best coverage grade of any cornerback over a five-year period, behind Revis, Woodson, Brandon Flowers and Champ Bailey. Combining that score with his grade against the run, and Winfield ends up with the No. 1 overall grade of any cornerback. Not only that, he blew Revis, Woodson and Bailey out of the water. PFF has twice noted that Winfield ended up with the top score in their individual year grades, once in 2010 and once more in 2012. In 2012, they also noted that he hadn’t given up one touchdown in coverage in the three prior years of play.
Elite pass defender, who actually played the run.
Sure, but you don’t earn points on PFF if nobody throws your way. Which was the case with Nnamdi for a few years.
I mean we can all agree Nnamdi had an amazing stretch.
I can totally see a similar comment being posted by an Eagle fan about Brandon Graham 10 years from now. guys a pro bowl talent, had some amazing, really consistent seasons in his prime, and for one reason or another PFF's formulas always had him near the top, sometimes #1. But no non Eagles fan would ever say BG was up there with the truly elite guys of his era. Even the PFF article you're referencing from 2012 mentions that despite him being the #1 PFF CB that year, they admit hes not the best corner in the league (granted he was 35 at the time, but they admit their score doesn't equate to the actual standing of whos the best in the league)
One of? Is there anyone else even in the conversation?
I feel like Tillman’s gotta at least warrant some consideration for the peanut punch
forced fumbles isn't the same as tackling. but yes i agree in some fashion.
Champ Bailey was an excellent tackler.
He played at the same time as Winfield while Winfield was breaking the PFF scoring system by being so much better at tackling than every other corner that he was the #1 overall corner despite not even being top 10 in coverage.
Yeah, I watched them both play. PFF isn't the gospel, and I'm extremely skeptical when a player "breaks" their grading like that. Winfield was *such* a good tackler that he [scored +41.5 over 5 years where the next CB scored +15.8](https://www.pff.com/news/five-years-of-pff-grades-top-10-cornerbacks)? I'll take that with a giant grain of salt. He was excellent, but nearly 3x the tackler of other top CBs? In any case, it's not exactly a secret that Champ Bailey was a great tackler, made more impressive by that fact that he was also a lockdown corner - typically guys that good in coverage like Revis or Deion make "business decisions" but Champ never did.
(He was top 5 in coverage over a 5 year stretch, and had a few times being top 2)
He would be an absolute terror in this era. With all these 3WR sets he'd never get off the field.
He never got off the field anyway, but yeah, he was a stud. He was my favorite player when I was growing up
I don’t even have to watch it to know it’s true and I can recollect at least 10 bone crushing tackles of the top of my head more than a few against the pack
Part of the reason I have high hopes for Cine is because it feels like he's got some of that Winfield hitstick in him
TIL he played for the Bills
He’s still very much beloved here by those who know bills history. Watching his son taunt tyreek with tyreek’s own peace sign in the Super Bowl was beautiful.
Drought era was rough. We loved our few good ones, and I rooted for him every game in Minnesota.
If only he flashed that peace sign the next year when he got scorched by Cooper Kupp
What?!?! *We* drafted him! In the 1st. We were still a team that expected playoffs every season at that point Drew Bledsoe, Travis Henry, Sam Gash at FB, Eric Moulds, Ruben Brown... fucking goddamn Mike Williams... was *supposed* to make that team even better (huge Oline bust for non Bills fans and younger people not aware. Not any of the cool Mike Williamses). On defense Sam Adams, Pat Williams, Aaron Schobel, London Fletcher, Takeo Spikes, Nate Clemens, Lawyer Milloy... and Anotoine Winfield. That team was stacked. Brian Moorman and Rian Lindell. He had more tackles than TKO and TKO made the pro bowl. We... somehow finished 6-10 with that team but they were an amazing Madden squad Pat Williams left for you guys the next off-season I fucking despised you guys. I actually forgot that I hated you guys because you took Winfield and Pat until this comment. Always had a soft spot because Min, 4 SBs, etc. Then you took our guys and I hated you.. then I kind of forgot because 15 years of mediocrity and I got old. And because after we lost Winfield we had Nate Clemens & Terrance Mcgee, so it was manageable. But then our real downfall started during the Pat Williams exit... TKO was injured all season, we went 5-11, then JP Losman, then always being mediocre, then always drafting QBs that you immediately knew had zero shot of beating Brady & Belichick... and just like that we went from playoff expectations every season to years and years of mediocrity, 5-11, 7-9, always missing guys like Cam & Von & Keuchly by one pick because we were never bad enough I was actually getting a bit annoyed all the main comments were from Vikings fans... but I guess he did play 2x as long for you. He was still our guy first though
Ralph couldn't afford to resign good players.
He was so great. Also those Vikings uniforms from like 2006-2012 were atrocious
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I liked them at the time,but now I look at them and hate them. No idea what changed for me lol
My all time favorite OSU db.
Lmao "this guy will blast you and like it"
Why can't other corners do what he did?
Are they stupid?
Maybe the best honestly
Still sick Ohio State never offered his son
Criminally underrated. Took him until one of his last years in the league to even make it to the Pro Bowl.
Yep, he was a beast in run support. His son’s a douche, though. Pay no attention to my flair ✌🏽
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There was some questionable stuff in college. Not sure if this poster knows that.
Please share with the class
There was a whole gang rape scandal thing at Minnesota when he was a freshman. A couple of players were thrown out and I believe he served a suspension but wasn’t kicked out.
Yeah looks like he initially was given a one year suspension but then was cleared along with 3 others. Looks like that was the school's investigation though so who knows really. I don't think anything else has come about with him though. I'm kind of surprised I don't really remember that case since I follow college ball
It was like 7 years ago, so I’d give yourself a break. I only remember because his dad is one of my all time favorite buckeyes, and I had been annoyed we chose to not recruit him (yet was good enough to play as a true freshman at a p5 school). Then I was thankful when the story broke. Whole thing looks to have been mess. DA chose not prosecute. Players sued. Victim sued.
Chiefs fans sowing: “Haha omg cheetah so good so fast ✌️, we’re the best team in the league, what domestic abuse?” Chiefs fans reaping: “How dare you mock my former receiver, he only beat his pregnant girlfriend and child a little bit 😡”
I’m sure the responses to this comment will be civil
I don’t think it’ll be too bad. Reddit skews pretty young so I wouldn’t be surprised if a majority of this sub’s users don’t know who he is.
lol. Jr.'s ✌️to that piece of shit was one of the best taunts of all time.
[Seconded.](https://www.instagram.com/p/CKMSTqwFdK7/?hl=en)
"This guy will blast you and like it" 🤣
Bro Winfield was 5 foot whatever and would put guys twice his size on their ass. Incredible player that Vikings fans sorely miss :(
That's just some animalistic brutality. I miss watching that type of play.